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So, it seems like Team Cherry is completely
opposed to ever posting a blogpost again.

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I think they’re scared.

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Their website crashes every time a new post
goes up.

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In fact their website just crashed last month
on the one year anniversary of their last

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blog post simply because Hollow Knight fans
were hoping for an update and constantly refreshing

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the page.

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But it appears Team Cherry has found a medium
that is impervious to server crashes: print

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media.

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Hence, our latest batch of Silksong news comes
from Edge magazine.

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They are based out of the U.K. and have been
around since 1993.

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Their 100th issue even had cover art drawn
by Shigeru Miyamoto himself, best known as

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a producer on the game Wii Music.

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And now we have issue 354 which includes an
interview from Team Cherry about Silksong,

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and has two cover arts drawn by Ari Gibson
himself.

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This article was written by Jen Simpkins,
who has actually interviewed Team Cherry before

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back in Edge issue 329, where they discussed
Hollow Knight’s development.

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But this new article contains heaps of new
information and screenshots regarding Silksong.

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There’s a link in the description where
you can purchase a single digital issue of

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the magazine, which I highly recommend so
you can read the article in full for yourself.

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Buying a copy also helps legitimize indie
games as being worth writing cover stories

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about.

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One of the first topics discussed in this
article is why exactly Team Cherry decided

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to make Silksong a completely separate game
from Hollow Knight, as opposed to just a DLC.

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And the reason is because Hornet is too damn
tall.

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The Knight is a little shrimp compared to
Hornet, and due to her more acrobatic style,

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higher jumps and weightier feel, Team Cherry
felt like she would be too cramped maneuvering

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through the corridors of Hallownest.

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Which is sort of funny to think about.

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Hallownest is already considered one of the
largest metroidvania maps out there, and yet

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it feels too claustrophobic for Hornet.

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According to William, it took them a year
and a half to fully understand how much Hornet’s

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height affects designing for her.

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Another interesting tidbit of information
is that Team Cherry wants to make Silksong

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as accessible as possible.

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And by that I mean people can play Silksong
without playing Hollow Knight first.

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So it seems like Team Cherry wants to have
a bit of a barrier between the events of Silksong

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and Hollow Knight so new players don’t get
completely confused.

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In general that’s probably a good idea,
but honestly, I would have preferred if new

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players were required to watch all of my videos
before even being allowed to play Silksong.

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Maybe a password on the opening title screen
asking what my favorite color is, or how many

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warrants I have.

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Stuff like that.

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Another thing Team Cherry mentioned is that
they want Silksong to match Hollow Knight

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in terms of difficulty as well.

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So the early areas of Silksong are supposed
to be similarly easy compared to the early

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areas of Hollow Knight.

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Now while waiting in line for the Silksong
demo at PAX Australia, I saw plenty of people

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absolutely getting destroyed by the Moss Grotto
area, but then again, people struggled with

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the Forgotten Crossroads too.

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So it’s kinda hard for me to judge whether
what I played was actually easier or harder

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than the early Hollow Knight areas.

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That being said, late game Silksong probably
won’t shy away from cranking up the difficulty

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as well as giving us some lore connections
to Hollow Knight.

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Like, there has to be.

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I’m still waiting for a resolution to Bretta.

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However, it appears the enemies in Silksong
are going to be more sophisticated.

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We could already see that in the E3 demo,
with these simple bell enemies already showing

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off a bit more dynamic interactions.

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But in this interview, Team Cherry specifically
points out that some of the enemies in Hollow

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Knight feel very video gamey, like the sentries
in the City of Tears.

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With Silksong, they feel like the enemies
of the world should be more dynamic and aware

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of their surroundings.

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Ari says that they have spent more time focusing
on combat over platforming with Silksong due

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to Hornet having more weight and less hang
time.

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But that’s enough about vague game design
decisions, let’s talk about what we actually

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learn about Pharloom in this interview.

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To give a brief overview, Pharloom has been
described as a land haunted by silk and song,

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and many have visited the land in a pilgrimage
to make it to the shining Citadel at the top

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of the kingdom.

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One thing we learned from this Edge article
is that pilgrims are actually carrying precious

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thread up to the Citadel, and that they will
actually attack other pilgrims on the way

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for some reason.

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Also the kingdom is littered with gates that
can only be opened by paying melodic tributes,

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although that was something we already speculated.

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Apparently Hornet has become weakened due
to her time trapped in the sealed cage we

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saw in the intro, which might explain why
she passes out after the Moss Mother fight.

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Ari explains this in a pretty alarming statement.

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“Part of what Hornet’s doing is she’s
lost her traditional strength… and the Weavers,

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or what’s left of them, are helping her
restore it.”

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So what exactly is Hornet’s “traditional
strength”?

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Is that just her physical strength?

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Did she lose her spidey sense or some shit?

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And then there’s “what’s left of the
Weavers”.

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That does not sound good.

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From screenshots and the Edge article, we
can tell that the Weavers are residing in

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chambers here in Pharloom, possibly behind
these, but we don’t know.

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Are they trapped in these locations?

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Or are they hiding so they don’t get taken
to the Citadel?

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The floor in this room is identical to that
of the Weaver’s Den in Hallownest, so it

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is most likely a location built by Weavers.

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Since the pilgrims are bringing threads up
to the Citadel, it seems like a safe bet to

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assume that these bugs want silk, so would
probably want to capture Weavers, hence some

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of them are hiding or are protected by these
gates.

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So what exactly are these bugs doing with
this silk?

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Well, I mentioned in my first Silksong video
an idea that bugs below the Citadel are being

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controlled by silk some way, sort of like
puppets.

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And since then, people have pointed out that
when enemies die in Silksong, we can briefly

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see long silk threads above them.

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This phenomenon is consistent and definitely
intentional by the developers.

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Another thing I think we can say fairly confidently
is that the name Pharloom is actually pretty

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literal.

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In this image we can clearly see silk running
together in lines, with these bindings that

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appear to be like forks used in actual looms.

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So the bugs of the Citadel are collecting
silk from Weavers and pilgrims to add to their

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giant loom which in turn they used to do something
that results in the citizens of the kingdom

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being haunted by silk.

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Or something like that, I’m not sure.

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One thing we do know is that the Weavers grant
Hornet the ability to use power ups, one in

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particular being the Silk Spear, which allows
Hornet to break through web barriers.

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My guess is this move is the Silk Spear, although
it’s described as a lunging move, while

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this is more of a stabbing move.

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So the Weavers will probably hold power ups
that Hornet will need to reach new areas,

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in standard metroidvania fashion.

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From the interview, we also learn a bit more
about the structure of Pharloom.

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Hornet starts off in Moss Grotto, like we
suspected.

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But after that, the next area is actually
the Bone Forest area that was cut from Hollow

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Knight.

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In this area we can find Bonebottom, which
is pretty much the main hub of the game, similar

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to Dirtmouth.

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Also, the fast travel tunnels are called the
“Marrow” and this creature we have to

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tame is called the Bell Beast.

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After getting the Silk Spear, Hornet can free
the Bell Beast, who immediately attacks her.

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But she is defeated, the Bell Beast ends up
running away, implying that you won’t be

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able to fast travel in Silksong until later
in the game.

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Since we’re talking about the structure
of Pharloom, let’s take a look at some of

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the screenshots provided in this interview.

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Nothing we see here appears to be new areas.

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This Moss Grotto screenshot gets us a look
at a new enemy.

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I’ve seen a few people call this creature
a Moss Deer.

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Now I don’t know why but I just think this
guy is neat.

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We also see Hornet playing music for this
Kratos cosplayer.

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Why is she doing this exactly?

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Is Hornet one of those assholes who always
brings their instruments to parties and just

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starts playing them?

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We can also see that Team Cherry has added
some new statues into the background of locations

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we have already seen.

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These statues are of bugs looking upwards
while holding what appear to be cymbals.

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So what does this mean?

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Are they expecting something from the Citadel
to come down to them?

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Are they offering something up?

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Something interesting about these statues
is that there is actually a very similar one

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hidden in the Godhome art assets in Hollow
Knight, although this thing doesn’t have

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a face so I don’t know if it’s looking
up or not.

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We also appear to get a lot of images of Greymoor,
which you might remember Team Cherry saying

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was one of their largest areas they have ever
made.

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Now we don’t know if these rooms are actually
Greymoor, but I’m assuming so because these

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areas are grey.

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Also I think this room with the shopkeep is
Greymoor too, simply because it has a similar

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floor.

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In this room, which appears to be to the left
of one of the bell cities, we can see Hornet

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in a swamp-like area.

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What’s interesting about this room are these
weird stalactites hanging from the ceiling.

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Now these might be giant plant or tree roots
hanging from above.

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These small branches jetting out from the
sides might be similar to tap root systems.

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Another theory is that these are manmade,
or bug made I guess.

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Whatever these are, I really like them.

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They remind me of the Ash Lake from Dark Souls,
or the cave seen in Nausicaä of the Valley

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of the Wind.

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Details like this and the aforementioned statues
really help to emphasize Pharloom's verticality.

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We also see this in a new screenshot of that
weird bell city.

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You basically have to jump on this thing to
climb up the vertically stacked bell houses.

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Seems like a pretty dangerous place to live,
but maybe the bugs of Pharloom are really

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into parkour.

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In this screenshot, we do get a glimpse at
Pharloom’s written language.

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This sign appears to be littered both with
musical notes and gilded pins.

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Now it’s possible that this is just how
the language of Pharloom is written, indicating

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how important music is here.

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We can also see what appears to be some musical
notes on the lore tablets in Deep Docks.

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But other glimpses we’ve seen of Pharloom’s
language looks pretty similar to Hollow Knight’s

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random scribbles.

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There are some tablets in Hollow Knight that
appear to make sense, such as the Stag Station

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signs.

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If you stare at this long enough, you can
kinda see what it’s saying.

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So this sign might just be specific to this
building, or in other words, this building

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is a shop that sells musical instruments and
pins.

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Finally in this image we can see that members
of the Citadel’s caste can use silk as well.

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Good for them.

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Getting back to the interview we also learn
that getting to the Citadel isn’t quite

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the end goal of Silksong, as once you get
there, getting to the top of the Citadel is

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a task of its own.

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So the actual amount of time spent in the
Citadel will be a greater portion of the game’s

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runtime that we might have thought.

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So maybe some of the areas we have already
seen are actually in the Citadel already.

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I do think it’s possible that this area
we’ve seen several times is actually located

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inside the Citadel.

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What’s more interesting is that this room
in the Trobbio boss fight has structures that

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look similar to the buildings found in the
Citadel, if this is the Citadel.

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So the top of the Citadel might actually be
this giant ball thing.

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Although I’m starting to think this ball
might actually be a cocoon of some kind, but

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at this point I’m just speculating wildly.

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William mentions that magic is a more distant
thing in Pharloom, which I have a bit of trouble

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understanding.

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I think he means that a lot more things in
Pharloom will look constructed, like traps

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and mechanisms and what not.

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Like instead of a Snail Shaman exploding and
the Knight just slurping up its life juice,

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Hornet will actually find objects and tools
to upgrade her kit.

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But while soul might not be as prevalent here
in Pharloom, I feel like all this stuff with

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silk and song still falls under the definition
of magic, but maybe that’s just me.

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We also learned about another mechanic with
Rosaries.

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We’ve seen before items called Rosary Strings
which Hornet can find.

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Basically when you die, you lose rosaries,
but if you have Rosary Strings, those stick

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around.

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And then you can break them whenever you need
to spend them.

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So it’s basically like a more flexible version
of the relics in Hollow Knight.

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But now it turns out you can actually create
Rosary Strings from your own rosaries.

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A vendor might charge Hornet 120 rosaries
to put 100 rosaries on a string.

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I think the Geo system in Hollow Knight suffered
from players losing thousands of Geo in the

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early game and getting frustrated.

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And it could be quite a while before the player
ever found Millibelle.

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So having this Rosary system that allows the
player to easily store their wealth at a small

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cost seems like a pretty good change to the
currency system.

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Ari goes on to say that Rosary Strings can
also be made at certain, special benches.

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Speaking of benches, apparently this bench
from the Deep Docks with all these bells is

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considered a Holy Bench, and that Ari has
already designed like 100 different benches

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for Silksong.

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Now this statement is pretty eye raising for
multiple reasons.

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So let’s dive into this.

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First of all “100 different benches” is
probably hyperbole, since 100 isn’t an exact

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number.

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That being said, however, how many benches
are there in Hollow Knight?

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If we count the additional breakable bench
in Beast’s Den, the three benches in the

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White Palace, and the three non-pantheon benches
in Godhome, there are a total of 49 benches

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in Hollow Knight.

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So if there are already 100 different benches
in Silksong, that implies that Team Cherry

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has become much more generous with bench placement
this time around, which I doubt, or Silksong

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is twice as big as Hollow Knight.

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But it’s worth pointing out that a lot of
these 49 benches are not different, as a lot

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of them are just generic benches.

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So how many different bench designs are there
in Hollow Knight?

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Well, there’s the generic one, the Toll
Bench, the benches found inside Trams, the

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one in Ancestral Mound, the one found outside
Salubra’s Hut, the one in the stone sanctuary,

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the one near the Lake of Unn, the one found
near Leg Eater, which is more of a corpse

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than a bench but I’m counting it anyway,
the one in the Mantis Village, three slight

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variations found near the Nailmasters, the
one in the Pleasure House, the one in the

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tent near Hornet 2, the one in the Colosseum
of Fools, the one in the Teacher’s Archives,

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the one found in Beast’s Den, the one found
in front of the Pale King statue in the Queen’s

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Garden, the ones unique to the White Palace,
the one found in the Temple of the Black Egg,

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and two different ones found in Godhome.

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Also we can find two unused benches in the
game’s art assets.

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This bench which can be found in a room called
“Hornet’s room” and a bench literally

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composed of fucking vessel corpses.

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Like seriously this is the best bench ever
and I’m so mad Team Cherry didn’t use

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it.

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This puts the total of unique bench designs
at 24.

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So Silksong might have four times as many
unique benches, which means Silksong might

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actually be 4 times bigger than Hollow Knight.

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Now I don’t actually believe that.

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I’m guessing that Team Cherry is just opting
to make new benches more often.

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So far we have seen 8 benches in Silksong,
with 6 of them being unique.

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So while I’m sure Silksong will have more
benches than Hollow Knight, I think a greater

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percentage of them will be unique.

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The other thing interesting with this quote
is Ari Gibson’s exact wording.

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“Unsurprisingly, we ended up with, like,
100 different benches.”

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The fact that he said “we ended up” is
pretty interesting.

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Does this mean they are done making area artwork?

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The finality implied in this statement might
spell good news for an impending Silksong

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release.

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Now I don’t want to build up hype too much,
but Silksong is definitely coming out by the

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end of the week.

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Regardless, it’s obvious that Team Cherry
is still keen on paying very close attention

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to detail.

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For example, they’ve got Jack Vine working
on things like having little rings be able

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to roll around for a while after you hit them,
and I’m guessing he’s responsible for

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small things like making these objects move
more realistically.

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Speaking of these rings, they will be used
to denote that Shakra is nearby, Shakra being

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this game’s version of Cornifer.

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So these rings will act similar to Cornifer’s
discarded pieces of paper.

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It’s also implied that we might be fighting
Shakra at some point in the future.

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Which unfortunately, never happens with Cornifer.

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There is also some news on the fleas, remember
them?

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Well, apparently not only will they just be
sitting around, but they can also get captured

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by other bugs somehow.

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So it seems like there will be more to collecting
fleas than just finding a physical location,

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which will hopefully make them a bit more
interesting to collect than the grubs, since

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they were pretty much just always stuck in
jars, sometimes guarded by random enemies.

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Like, why the fuck does this guy care so much
about guarding this grub?

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Trobbio got mentioned in the interview.

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Basically it’s been confirmed that he’s
a bit of a clutz, with his fight being accompanied

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by goofy music.

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Also he’s named after and voiced by another
developer that Team Cherry is friends with,

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Matt Trobbiani.

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Matt worked on the game Hacknet, which even
featured a song by Chris Larkin, himself.

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You can see Matt being interviewed along with
Team Cherry in this event from Bitsummit back

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in 2018.

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So is this Matt Trobbiani guy canonically
a clutz in real life?

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Well I did actually meet Matt when I went
to PAX in 2019.

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He said he liked my videos, so he seemed like
a pretty smart guy to me at least.

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Team Cherry also discussed quests in Silksong.

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They confirm that there will still be the
traditional random quests you can stumble

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on like in Hollow Knight, but that there is
also an organized collection of quests that

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the player can find using quest boards.

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If you remember, there are at least four different
types of known quests: Wayfarer, Hunt, Grand

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Hunt, and Gather.

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It seems like Team Cherry only showed off
a Gather quest, which had the player collect

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Mossberries to take to the Druid of the Moss
Temple, which is the guy we saw from the reveal

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trailer.

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We can see Mossberries placed in the E3 demo,
but it turns out enemies can just be carrying

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Mossberries around with them.

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Also you can apparently jump into this caldron,
but it isn’t a very good idea.

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We do see a screenshot of what might be a
Hunt or Grand Hunt, where Hornet is fighting

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some strange creature alongside Garmond and
Zaza.

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I don’t know why, but whenever I see them
I assume it must be some kind of quest, but

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I suppose that’s just speculation on my
part.

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And now I think it’s time we get into Hornet’s
tools, since we see a lot of crazy stuff going

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on in these screenshots.

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First of all, we can see that the Hornet’s
HUD takes on three different versions.

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This is entirely new, as none of the gifs
from 2020 had anything like this.

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So what are they?

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Well, the HUD actually changes appearance
based on what Crest Hornet is using.

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Here on the menu, we see a new Crest called
the Reaper, which has twice as many slots

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as the Wanderer crest we saw before.

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And that Crest design seems to line up with
one of the HUD changes.

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From this we can see that there are Crests
that allow you to have two weapons at once.

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And from other screenshots we can see this
in action.

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In the E3 Demo, the R button was how you activated
a tool.

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But it’s not clear how it would work with
two of them.

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The L and ZL buttons weren’t mapped in the
demo, so those might be candidates for possibly

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using a second tool or changing the tool order.

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It’s also possible for tools themselves
to be upgraded, as the Straight Pin can later

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be upgraded to the Tri-Pin.

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Apparently, Hornet can even learn to make
new tools based on the tools used by the residents

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of Pharloom, like seeing an enemy throw a
javelin can help her learn to throw a javelin.

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Which… okay.

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I’m sure it will make more sense when we
see it in game.

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Also she’ll add her own little touch to
them.

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This is shown off pretty well in this screenshot.

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You can see Hornet is using the same tool
as this NPC except it has that red rope on

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it.

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So what new tools can we see in these screenshots?

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As we can see here, Team Cherry has finally
given Hornet a boomerang.

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I know Team Cherry’s Australian audience
was pretty upset with the lack of boomerangs

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in Hollow Knight, so this is a welcome addition.

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Now if they could just add a gun, then us
Americans will finally feel represented.

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We’ve got some kind of container full of
orange liquidy goop.

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I’m sure that’s not harmful at all.

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I think this is a grenade of some kind, maybe
similar to the pimpillo.

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We can also see this longer spear weapon,
and a drill type weapon.

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But then we also see another drill type weapon
without a handle.

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Now according to Ari, there is another drill
attack where Hornet “becomes something like

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a spinning top, and descends towards enemies.”

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I don’t think either of these items are
related to that though.

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It could be this red drill, but we have yet
to see a tool like this directly affect Hornet’s

00:20:33.090 --> 00:20:34.090
movement.

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From an earlier gif, we can see another way
Hornet’s air movement can be altered.

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We can see her glide in the air, and I’m
guessing this is yet another part of Hornet’s

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kit that can be altered, possibly via crests.

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Maybe you can choose between giving her a
double jump or a glide, or turning into a

00:20:50.360 --> 00:20:52.320
fucking beyblade.

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Also we got a name for this tool.

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It’s called a Sting Shard.

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There are some other new tools here in the
menu, but we still have no idea what these

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things do.

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I still think these are passive effects.

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In this screenshot we can see spikes around
Hornet’s masks, which might imply she is

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wearing a Thorns of Agony type too.

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But nothing in the interview directly mentions
it.

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But one thing we do know is that Team Cherry
is adding sub reactions to these tools.

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By that I think they mean stuff like how charm
abilities would combine in Hollow Knight.

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Basically tools will have unique interactions
depending on the context in which they are

00:21:26.270 --> 00:21:27.270
used.

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There’s another part to these Crests that
I still need to mention, and that’s how

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it appears that you can actually equip Hornet’s
abilities to a crest.

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From this screenshot, we can see this image
presumably of Hornet’s needle sitting in

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the middle of the crest.

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Then if we look above the red section tools,
we can see another image of Hornet’s needle.

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So it seems like Hornet’s silk abilities
can be swapped out.

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So you can maybe have this big slash move
equipped, or the Gossamer storm, or this stabbing

00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.000
move.

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And judging from this layout of the controls,
these will be called skills.

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Another interesting change is that the Crest
we see in the screenshot, doesn’t have the

00:22:03.580 --> 00:22:06.600
slots colored like in a previous example.

00:22:06.600 --> 00:22:10.560
Although there still is some color here, so
I’m not sure what that’s about.

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Moving away from Crests, I have just one more
thing to say about the UI in regards to the

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spool meters.

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It seems like these systems have changed since
the E3 Demo.

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The lower spool meter now has a base length
of 9 silk notches instead of 8.

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Also we can see that the spool is segmented
now.

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It appears there is always a mark to denote
the first nine notches.

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But sometimes there are other smaller marks
at around 5 notches.

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It also seems like the silk will glow brightly
once it hits 9 notches.

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Except in this screenshot where it lights
up at 8.

00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:45.580
This might be related to whatever mark the
silk has reached on the spool.

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We can see the upper spool meter is also segmented
in some cases.

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Also we can see from these screenshots that
this spool meter doesn’t light up once Hornet

00:22:54.020 --> 00:22:56.320
reaches 8 notches of silk anymore.

00:22:56.320 --> 00:23:00.200
At first I thought maybe it only lights up
when you have lost health, basically as an

00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.480
indicator that you can use Hornet’s bind
ability to heal.

00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.130
So a segmented meter means that with a full
spool of silk, you’d be able to bind multiple

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times as long as you didn’t reach full health.

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But in the gifs released last summer, we can
see the meter both lit and not lit while Hornet

00:23:16.010 --> 00:23:17.169
has full health.

00:23:17.169 --> 00:23:21.540
So either this gif is outdated, or my theory
is dead ass wrong.

00:23:21.540 --> 00:23:25.570
Regardless, it’s safe to say that the segments
on these meters, or whether or not they are

00:23:25.570 --> 00:23:30.809
lit up, is likely determined by whatever abilities
and tools Hornet has equipped to her Crest.

00:23:30.809 --> 00:23:34.669
Other than that, it might be possible that
Hornet can increase the length of her spool

00:23:34.669 --> 00:23:38.080
via collectables like the Soul Vessels from
the first game.

00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:41.830
But I’ve spent too long looking at these
stupid fucking screenshots and I still can’t

00:23:41.830 --> 00:23:43.710
pin down exactly what’s going on.

00:23:43.710 --> 00:23:45.040
So I’m gonna drop it for now.

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Now just a few more things to mention.

00:23:48.250 --> 00:23:51.970
Apparently, the Lace song we’ve all come
to know and love wasn’t what Christopher

00:23:51.970 --> 00:23:53.910
Larkin originally wrote.

00:23:53.910 --> 00:23:57.440
The first song he wrote was the result of
Team Cherry trying to explain the lore and

00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:58.630
backstory to him.

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They ended up using a different piece that
he had just written as a boss theme.

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So it sounds like Team Cherry is kinda just
gonna let Chris do his thing.

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Which, given Larkin’s track record, it will
probably be fine.

00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:13.210
So will we ever get to hear the original Lace
theme?

00:24:13.210 --> 00:24:16.998
Well, as it turns out, I was able to actually
get a copy of the song.

00:24:16.998 --> 00:24:18.955
So I’ll play it for you right now.

00:24:19.808 --> 00:24:27.794
[Totally the original Lace theme, I swear]

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Also we got an image of what appears to be
a new boss.

00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.070
According to Ari, this boss is known as the
Last Judge.

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William then says that this enemy immediately
makes the player wonder what his deal is.

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And then the author of the magazine actually
calls me out by name.

00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:47.410
I truly am honored to be mentioned in a UK
based gaming magazine.

00:24:47.410 --> 00:24:53.179
I remember buying issue number 1 back and
1993 and thinking to myself how amazing it

00:24:53.179 --> 00:24:56.120
would be to get my name in Edge Magazine.

00:24:56.120 --> 00:24:58.880
That was pretty much the whole reason I started
this channel.

00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:04.340
And now my dream has finally come true There’s
just… one problem.

00:25:04.340 --> 00:25:06.346
They capitalized the “M”.

00:25:08.600 --> 00:25:14.289
[Maniacal laughter]

00:25:14.289 --> 00:25:19.170
Now to be completely fair, Jen Simpkins informed
me that she had to capitalize the “M”

00:25:19.170 --> 00:25:21.600
due to something called style guides.

00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:25.450
Sounds made up, but I think Jen is telling
the truth here.

00:25:25.450 --> 00:25:29.130
In fact, Jen appears to be a pretty big Hollow
Knight fan in general.

00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:34.020
She is even aware of the milksong meme which
started over on the Hollow Knight Memes subreddit.

00:25:34.020 --> 00:25:40.230
If you don’t know what the Milksong memes
are or why they exist, well, neither do I

00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:41.530
honestly.

00:25:41.530 --> 00:25:45.440
Getting back to the actual screenshot, there
is a bit to talk about here.

00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.679
First of all, for being a land without much
magic, I’m pretty skeptical that this mother

00:25:49.679 --> 00:25:51.559
fucker isn’t some kind of wizard.

00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:57.200
It’s got the silly headwear and it can make
giant spirals of flames all over the place.

00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:01.100
Now this magic ability might be tied to the
rosaries he appears to be clutching.

00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:04.640
Also, if we look at his eyes, we can see streaks
under them.

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.240
Now in the early days of this channel, I always
tied this to void.

00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:12.620
But there are a lot of bugs and statues of
bugs in Hollow Knight that have these streaks

00:26:12.620 --> 00:26:15.340
that don’t appear to have anything to do
with the Void.

00:26:15.340 --> 00:26:18.039
So I think this is more of a stylistic choice.

00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.250
So this might just be related to the last
Judge crying because all his other Judge friends

00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:25.110
are dead, hence the name Last Judge.

00:26:25.110 --> 00:26:27.990
But what exactly is this thing judging?

00:26:27.990 --> 00:26:32.660
Now we have seen that Pharloom has some kind
of prison system, as we can find Grindle locked

00:26:32.660 --> 00:26:34.140
away in a cell.

00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:39.660
But this bug doesn’t quite seem like a law
and order type judge, if that makes sense.

00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:42.419
Maybe it judges whether or not pilgrims can
enter the Citadel.

00:26:42.419 --> 00:26:44.250
And if not he torches them.

00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:48.370
It’s also worth pointing out that this bug
has a similar aesthetic to the bug Team Cherry

00:26:48.370 --> 00:26:50.600
showed us in their last blogpost.

00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:53.360
It also looks similar to a bug found in the
Coral Forest.

00:26:53.360 --> 00:26:57.630
And it’s worth pointing out that we don’t
know for sure if these bugs are actually related

00:26:57.630 --> 00:26:59.370
to the bugs we see in the Citadel.

00:26:59.370 --> 00:27:04.210
All we know is that this bug is a part of
a scholarly suite guarding a vault of ancient

00:27:04.210 --> 00:27:05.360
knowledge.

00:27:05.360 --> 00:27:08.630
So we actually don’t know for sure if these
guys are actually directly tied to what is

00:27:08.630 --> 00:27:14.220
going on in the Citadel, although it’s certainly
possible and it probably is the case.

00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:18.040
Finally Team Cherry was asked about what happens
after Silksong.

00:27:18.040 --> 00:27:21.870
William and Ari talked a bit about a non-Hollow
Knight related game that they have been thinking

00:27:21.870 --> 00:27:22.870
about.

00:27:22.870 --> 00:27:26.309
As of right now, this project consists of
just a google doc that they add to every now

00:27:26.309 --> 00:27:28.679
and then as they work on Silksong.

00:27:28.679 --> 00:27:33.860
A strong candidate for what this game might
be is Fearless Fox, a term Team Cherry trademarked

00:27:33.860 --> 00:27:34.860
back in 2019.

00:27:34.860 --> 00:27:38.550
It isn’t guaranteed that this game will
be a metroidvania.

00:27:38.550 --> 00:27:43.770
In the past, William has expressed interest
in doing a top down 2D Zelda style game.

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But they did clarify that whatever games they
make will continue to have large sprawling

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worlds and interesting characters to interact
with.

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So what does this mean for future Hollow Knight
content?

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The only Hollow Knight content not directly
produced by Team Cherry that we can consider

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canon is the Wanderer’s Journal which ultimately
didn’t add a whole lot to Hollow Knight’s

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story, since it was just a character experiencing
all the same stuff we did.

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According to Team Cherry’s marketing director,
Leth, Team Cherry has been approached by companies

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wanting to make Hollow Knight television shows
and comics.

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Leth explained this on Live from the Abyss,
a podcast created by two other Hollow Knight

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YouTuber’s: DeepDockProletarian and Mythreel.

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Leth: We’ve been contacted by some companies
wanting to make other media of Hollow Knight.

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Whether it be a cartoon, or a show or a comic
book or what have you…

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It usually comes down to Ari just not…

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I don’t know.

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And I understand this.

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I think it is basically like we don’t want
to corporatize the…

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DDP: The franchise?

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Leth: Yeah, not too much.

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So basically, it seems like Team Cherry really
wants to avoid turning Hollow Knight into

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some giant franchise with books and shows
and all sorts of other crap.

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And who could blame them?

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That’s a really good way to completely screw
up your fictional world and make it less special.

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I mean, Cuphead’s deep and comprehensive
lore will no doubt be ruined by their upcoming

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Netflix show, which is a damn shame.

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So it seems like Silksong might mark the end
of Hollow Knight content for a while, unless

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Team Cherry decides to make Zote Boat or changes
their mind on third party stuff.

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But honestly, I think Team Cherry will do
at least one other Hollow Knight related thing

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other than Silksong.

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Call it a feeling.

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Call it speculation.

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But I feel like William and Ari are so invested
in this world, and the fact that they can’t

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stop adding to it, makes me think there will
be other Hollow Knight content coming out.

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Or maybe I’m just in denial.

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You decide.

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And so that’s about all I have to say regarding
this interview.

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We learned a little bit more about the Crest
system and the world layout.

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And we got a little more info about characters
like the Bell Beast and Shakra.

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But I think what was most interesting is how
different Silksong has been development-wise.

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Team Cherry had to make rooms bigger and adjust
the game’s camera just to accommodate Hornet’s

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playstyle, as well as create more complex
enemies for her to fight.

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I’m a little bummed to hear that Team Cherry
has been focusing less on platforming, since

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Hornet seems really well equipped for that
kind of stuff.

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One thing that still eludes us is a full explanation
on how exactly some tools alter Hornet’s

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playstyle, other than they seem to affect
her silk meters in some way.

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Lore wise we learned that pilgrims are actually
bringing thread to the Citadel, and that they

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will even attack other pilgrims.

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We’ve also learned that Hornet’s time
in her cage has zapped her of her “traditional

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strength” and she now has to find the Weavers
to get it back.

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But there are still many questions left regarding
Lace, this Conductor Romino fellow, the Steel

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Assassins, as well as who is running this
whole operation and if any of this will tie

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back to what we saw in the cliffhanger endings
from Hollow Knight.

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Yeah, remember those?

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Fucking cliffhangers, man.

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I swear to God, I hate it when they just abruptly
cuts things off right