WEBVTT 00:00:02.175 --> 00:00:05.575 Tamer bey first of all I would like to thank you for giving us your precious time. 00:00:05.575 --> 00:00:08.015 -Happy Eid Mubarak! (Turkish holiday) -Happy Eid Mubarak! 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:15.240 On behalf of myself and Kivanc Tatlitug North America group, we are grateful. 00:00:15.540 --> 00:00:19.180 First, I would like to give you are brief explanation about the administrators and the group overall. 00:00:19.180 --> 00:00:22.480 We are a fan based group with approximately sixty-five thousand members, 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:29.720 and we have ten administrators overseeing different responsibilities to run the group. I am one of them, and I am responsible for translations. 00:00:29.900 --> 00:00:36.035 We are a not-for-profit group, we do not seek any income. 00:00:36.040 --> 00:00:39.630 Our goal is to support actors like you who pursue acting with passion. 00:00:39.630 --> 00:00:43.220 We want to accurately deliver your message to our fans in North America. 00:00:43.220 --> 00:00:44.720 Our work consists around that basically. 00:00:45.315 --> 00:00:46.905 Now.... 00:00:47.220 --> 00:00:51.040 the North American audience knows you from your role in Cesur ve Güzel-- 00:00:51.820 --> 00:00:55.770 as the infamous Tahsin Korludag character. 00:00:55.910 --> 00:00:59.800 We loved watching you, and we were honored to witness your outstanding acting skills. 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.760 Now, I have some questions about the show: 00:01:04.220 --> 00:01:07.140 First of all, the American audience is wondering, 00:01:08.710 --> 00:01:12.220 --I also tried answer to this question as Turkish person-- 00:01:12.220 --> 00:01:15.700 They are wondering why the episodes are approximately two and a half hours long, 00:01:16.060 --> 00:01:19.860 and they wonder how you feel about these working conditions? 00:01:19.860 --> 00:01:25.790 How is it affecting you as an actor? 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.460 The answer is very simple actually. 00:01:29.100 --> 00:01:32.060 Filling up the time slots. 00:01:32.160 --> 00:01:34.570 I mean, right after the main 8 o'clock news, 00:01:34.570 --> 00:01:37.610 all night, until midnight. 00:01:37.610 --> 00:01:40.220 People are watching these TV shows until they go to bed. 00:01:40.940 --> 00:01:44.080 They get four long commercial breaks, and 00:01:45.220 --> 00:01:47.760 for that reason, they don't watch any other show. 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:50.260 And the commercials are big profit makers. 00:01:50.360 --> 00:01:52.675 That's why the channels prefer it this way. 00:01:52.675 --> 00:01:56.045 But this creates hard working conditions for the cast and the crew. 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.500 Even difficult for the audience. 00:01:59.100 --> 00:02:00.520 Filming one episode-- 00:02:00.900 --> 00:02:03.920 as an audience, we see the shows as two and a half hours long. 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.100 How long does it take to film it? Like one week? 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.400 Takes about five days, maximum six days. 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.575 How many hours do you work each day? 00:02:14.575 --> 00:02:17.855 We work around sixteen to seventeen hours a day. 00:02:18.320 --> 00:02:22.140 These are very heavy and hard working conditions by American standards. 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:23.580 I know. 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:27.820 I was a committee member in World Federation of Actors. 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:29.680 For that reason, I know. 00:02:30.060 --> 00:02:32.680 In the United States, there is an American Actors Union. 00:02:32.780 --> 00:02:38.100 They also pay a lot of attention to those rules and regulations that you mentioned. 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.660 That union works really well. 00:02:40.660 --> 00:02:44.140 But unfortunately, those rules are not imposed in Turkey. 00:02:45.620 --> 00:02:47.920 Ok. Another question: 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:52.590 do you receive your script daily, or weekly? 00:02:52.590 --> 00:02:57.240 Or do you receive the entire script for the show all at once? 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:02.230 Do screenwriters write the episodes weekly and then give them to you for each episode? 00:03:02.250 --> 00:03:03.870 It is written weekly. 00:03:04.540 --> 00:03:07.420 Then you don't know about the next episode. 00:03:07.420 --> 00:03:10.460 -Do they give you the script on the beginning of each week? -Yes. 00:03:10.460 --> 00:03:11.010 Yes. 00:03:11.010 --> 00:03:16.240 We are wondering how much time you get to memorize the script. 00:03:16.300 --> 00:03:18.390 We memorize the script really fast. 00:03:18.420 --> 00:03:21.450 Now, an actor in the United States 00:03:21.480 --> 00:03:26.520 receives the script for the whole year, or for the entire show. 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.120 Therefore, he reads the entire story, 00:03:30.340 --> 00:03:33.220 and they stock up at least two or three episodes before the show goes live, 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.250 or maybe even complete the entire show. 00:03:36.260 --> 00:03:40.220 Therefore, by the time the show is on TV, the same actor may be already working on another project. 00:03:40.220 --> 00:03:41.160 And, 00:03:41.380 --> 00:03:46.120 because the show is not showing, that is a long and relaxed working period for the actor. 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.960 I mean, they film one episode in one month... 00:03:49.535 --> 00:03:51.675 Like a movie. 00:03:51.675 --> 00:03:55.435 But for us, that's not the case... 00:03:56.505 --> 00:03:59.895 We film the two and a half hour long episode, which is longer than a movie, in six days. 00:04:00.020 --> 00:04:03.460 So if you think, an average movie is recorded in one month, how can this be filmed in six days? Is it possible? 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.120 Yes, that's exactly what we are wondering. 00:04:05.200 --> 00:04:07.860 Especially myself, as an American audience. 00:04:08.260 --> 00:04:09.740 About the working conditions. 00:04:10.395 --> 00:04:13.495 Do you have a union to protect your rights? 00:04:13.535 --> 00:04:16.394 Yes, there is, but due to copyrights, 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:19.920 we are not able to claim our rights. 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.760 We can not force those rights that we should automatically have. 00:04:22.885 --> 00:04:23.885 Because, 00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:26.880 acting as a job 00:04:26.880 --> 00:04:30.040 is not defined clearly enough in the Labor Laws. 00:04:30.180 --> 00:04:34.210 Its definition is vague-- not clear. 00:04:34.460 --> 00:04:37.680 And it's not clear for those who work in this industry as well. 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.640 What are the given rights, those are not clear. 00:04:41.580 --> 00:04:42.640 For example, 00:04:44.380 --> 00:04:48.220 an actor in the United States could be performing in a very few projects, 00:04:48.220 --> 00:04:49.040 but in return, 00:04:49.340 --> 00:04:54.620 due to well established copyright laws, can continue to receive income from those projects. 00:04:55.100 --> 00:04:57.840 But that's not the case here in Turkey. 00:04:57.840 --> 00:05:00.840 An actor could be playing in many movies, because there is no copyright law, 00:05:00.840 --> 00:05:04.080 they sell the movie with the rights and the actor does not receive any benefits from the future showings. 00:05:04.080 --> 00:05:06.855 From all those additional showings 00:05:06.855 --> 00:05:09.825 since there is no copyrights, 00:05:09.825 --> 00:05:13.205 we call that "tying rights" or "neighbor rights" 00:05:13.885 --> 00:05:15.335 since they don't purchase this rights. 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:22.690 During the early Yesilcam era (early years of movies in Turkey), hundreds of actors lived in poverty and died miserably. 00:05:23.860 --> 00:05:25.580 Very true, sadly enough. 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.170 Now, I would like to get into this specific topic-- 00:05:30.640 --> 00:05:37.560 Specifically in Turkish shows, the main theme is love and... 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.100 betrayal ... How do you say betrayal in Turkish ?? 00:05:44.380 --> 00:05:46.230 "Ihanet" 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:47.480 Yeah!! 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:52.980 Almost all characters, whether the lead or co-stars 00:05:55.620 --> 00:06:04.350 seems like all actors really try to live their character, and to portray him as if they are real emotions. 00:06:04.350 --> 00:06:10.460 For North American audiences, this particular quality is the chief characteristic of a "Turkish Drama." 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.060 Maybe you don't know this exists. 00:06:14.065 --> 00:06:17.115 In English, there is a term "Drama Queen." 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:22.640 And there is also a new term among the audience now saying, "Don't give me Turkish drama." 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.100 Ohhhh really??? 00:06:25.100 --> 00:06:28.180 Because nowadays people are well familiar with Turkish TV shows, 00:06:28.260 --> 00:06:31.920 and now this is part of the lexicon. 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:33.440 Very interesting!! 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.650 Really, it's actually pretty important. It's an honor. 00:06:38.200 --> 00:06:42.000 This is a reason I wanted to meet you to explain this in person. 00:06:42.020 --> 00:06:45.740 I mean, there is a serious attachment to Turkish series by the American audience. 00:06:45.980 --> 00:06:48.420 In another question, they asked, 00:06:51.655 --> 00:06:54.695 outside of Turkey 00:06:54.695 --> 00:06:57.725 among the other world cultures, 00:06:57.730 --> 00:07:04.100 why do you think Turkish TV shows resonate with other cultures? 00:07:04.380 --> 00:07:08.210 Do you think love is the universal language, or our cultural resemblances-- 00:07:08.260 --> 00:07:12.020 our traditions, cultural values for example-- 00:07:12.020 --> 00:07:14.760 I find the Mexican culture and traditions very similar to Turkish ones. 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.670 They always have strong family ties. 00:07:18.690 --> 00:07:30.160 Why do you think the Turkish shows make such a deep impact and have become so popular? What do you think are the main reasons? 00:07:30.820 --> 00:07:33.920 I believe this is due to resemblances among the people around the world. 00:07:34.215 --> 00:07:35.115 I mean, 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.400 when we did not have 00:07:37.640 --> 00:07:39.740 any shows on Turkish TV, 00:07:40.280 --> 00:07:43.340 my wife, who is also a producer with the Turkish TV and Radio Association, 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.240 started the first shows on TV. 00:07:45.340 --> 00:07:48.600 Those first shows were written based on historical novels, 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.080 Turkish novels, and true events. 00:07:52.340 --> 00:07:55.570 And then "Ferhunde Hanim ve Her Daughters" 00:07:55.900 --> 00:07:58.130 yes.. your wife wrote that script? 00:07:58.540 --> 00:07:59.480 Yes, she did. 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:00.820 Like in that show, 00:08:00.820 --> 00:08:04.320 it shows the every day events in a family. 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:07.330 But, when screenwriting became more commercialized 00:08:07.340 --> 00:08:12.780 to make money, the formats changed in the TV show business. 00:08:13.880 --> 00:08:16.880 A young actor, a star... 00:08:17.420 --> 00:08:19.940 a young actress, a star... 00:08:19.940 --> 00:08:20.920 and their love.... 00:08:21.220 --> 00:08:23.340 These type of scenarios were appealing to young people. 00:08:23.760 --> 00:08:25.620 In addition, there has to be a mother and father in the story. 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:30.420 They either have to be divorced or not getting along, 00:08:30.860 --> 00:08:33.740 or there has to be a side living an extravagant lifestyle, 00:08:34.100 --> 00:08:37.179 where the girl's parents are very rich, on the other hand, the boy's family is very poor. 00:08:37.179 --> 00:08:38.260 Or vice-versa. 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.400 So when things like this come along... 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.300 At one point, the Brazilian shows were very famous in Turkey too, if you remember. 00:08:45.820 --> 00:08:47.840 Those shows had almost the same themes. 00:08:47.980 --> 00:08:48.980 Yes. 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:50.720 I mean, they either cheat on each other, 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:58.000 or, the intellectual level of the people are at certain level during certain eras. 00:08:58.220 --> 00:09:01.340 Now for example, people do not like those plots anymore. Why? 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.140 I attribute this to the Internet, social media. 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:08.980 When those came into our lives, it changed many things. 00:09:09.020 --> 00:09:11.620 And people's TV watching habits have also changed. 00:09:11.640 --> 00:09:14.540 The fact that young people become more intellectual due to the internet, 00:09:14.570 --> 00:09:17.420 then they started seeing these shows as nonsense. 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:19.400 For example, 00:09:19.400 --> 00:09:26.150 now, instead of having only one star as the lead actor, now all the cast consists of top actors and actresses. 00:09:26.150 --> 00:09:26.890 Yes, true. 00:09:26.900 --> 00:09:31.260 Because, a lead actor or actress alone is not able to carry an entire show. 00:09:31.400 --> 00:09:32.780 Yes, you are right on that. 00:09:34.040 --> 00:09:37.540 Now I would like to move on to Cesur ve Guzel. 00:09:38.420 --> 00:09:42.440 North American audiences know you from your Tahsin Korludag character. 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:45.980 They admired your performance. 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.520 We all loved watching you. 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:54.420 Can you describe Tahsin Korludag from your point of view? 00:09:56.060 --> 00:09:59.200 Tahsin Korludag, was an interesting character. 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:05.940 He knew how to take advantage of the weaknesses of the community around him. 00:10:06.400 --> 00:10:09.430 By having his own people around him, 00:10:10.940 --> 00:10:12.480 who could pressure others, 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:15.560 who constantly made money, 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:17.720 and who made him look important, 00:10:17.980 --> 00:10:19.960 who could even be elected, 00:10:19.990 --> 00:10:22.920 who also had his hands in the police department. 00:10:23.580 --> 00:10:29.500 Actually, what we witness in political corruptions around the world is going on in his town. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:42.060 Tahsin Korludag is a prime example of today's politicians who make themselves look innocent, but who are not that innocent in reality. 00:10:42.060 --> 00:10:43.180 Yes, very true. 00:10:43.400 --> 00:10:44.040 Isn't he? 00:10:44.620 --> 00:10:50.420 In my opinion, Tahsin Korludag may be even more innocent than the others we see today. 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:56.400 Besides that, even if he may use his power on people, 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.680 if he may cause some people to disappear, 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:01.880 he doesn't do this himself. 00:11:01.880 --> 00:11:04.120 Instead, he uses his people to do it. 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.560 Therefore, he is never found guilty. 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.880 No matter how much Cesur was trying to prove that he was... 00:11:09.280 --> 00:11:12.500 Yes, he is not guilty. As hard as Cesur tried. 00:11:12.500 --> 00:11:15.680 But on the other hand, he is a loving person. 00:11:16.180 --> 00:11:17.470 He is very fond of his daughter. 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.240 He took his daughter to school and back when she was young-- 00:11:21.260 --> 00:11:24.020 we know that because it was mentioned throughout the story. 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.600 He finds his son talentless, and for that reason he is always angry with him. 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.860 He finds his daughter talented. 00:11:32.740 --> 00:11:34.040 After losing his wife, 00:11:34.665 --> 00:11:37.355 he became involved with Nihan (Adalet). 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:39.340 Because... 00:11:40.620 --> 00:11:44.720 when she was staying in an orphanage, the principal was trying to rape her. 00:11:45.660 --> 00:11:47.380 He rescues her, but... 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:51.180 the other kid, Riza, has a a major role as well. 00:11:52.820 --> 00:11:55.180 For instance, the show ended early. 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:59.660 If it hadn't, we may have seen what Riza would end up doing. 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.660 We were also wondering about that. 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:07.540 We also noticed that there was a major flow change in the second half of the series. 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:10.180 According to our research, we found out the writers changed. 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:15.760 We, as an American audience, sensed the changes. 00:12:16.100 --> 00:12:23.420 In other words, the flow of the show changed from being captivating to monotonous. 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.700 This is a two-part question: 00:12:27.820 --> 00:12:29.540 As an actor, 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:34.660 can you express your opinion about the script? 00:12:35.180 --> 00:12:41.340 Are you at liberty to say, "This is not logical. If it was written this way or that way, it would have been better," or things like that? 00:12:41.640 --> 00:12:44.200 Do you have any control over the flow of the script? 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.280 Not much. 00:12:46.420 --> 00:12:50.900 Because, for example, on this show, the first writer was Ece Yörenç, and she did it alone. 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.660 And she wrote really interesting storylines for this show. 00:12:53.880 --> 00:12:56.040 First we started the show with that story in mind, 00:12:56.140 --> 00:13:01.040 but I think after the 16th episode, the writers changed, and another group of writers took over. 00:13:02.900 --> 00:13:09.100 Of course, Ece had plotted out the story in her head in a certain way. 00:13:09.460 --> 00:13:13.100 The new group was not able to know what was in her mind. 00:13:13.940 --> 00:13:16.500 Therefore, they created their own story. 00:13:16.920 --> 00:13:20.280 They tried to follow the same rhythm, but it caused a change in the flow of the story. 00:13:20.500 --> 00:13:23.640 For example, in my opinion, my role-- 00:13:23.645 --> 00:13:24.820 But we can not intervene, 00:13:24.900 --> 00:13:27.340 because writing a scenario is a very difficult task. 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:34.480 Think about it. The show will be watched for months and years by the people, 00:13:34.700 --> 00:13:38.320 but they only have a few days to write the script. 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:39.120 True. 00:13:39.940 --> 00:13:44.960 For example, Tahsin's right-hand man shouldn't have been killed. 00:13:45.580 --> 00:13:46.560 Salih. 00:13:47.020 --> 00:13:50.360 Because, Salih was like a black box, he retained a lot of information regarding the past. 00:13:50.420 --> 00:13:54.460 Tahsin's wife Nihan should not have been killed as well, because she had unfinished business with Riza. 00:13:54.580 --> 00:13:56.000 What happened between her and Riza? 00:13:56.005 --> 00:13:58.245 We never found that out. 00:13:58.620 --> 00:14:03.600 If they had worked on those storylines, the plot would have evolved in a much different way. 00:14:04.060 --> 00:14:07.100 Yes, maybe the show would have been continued and had new seasons. 00:14:09.660 --> 00:14:15.000 We as an audience always wonder about those things. 00:14:15.940 --> 00:14:21.140 During the writing stage, we do not have much interference with writing. 00:14:21.300 --> 00:14:26.960 While filming on set, we may sometimes make suggestions. 00:14:27.640 --> 00:14:34.340 But it is impossible to make changes over 5 to 15 pages, or the entire script. 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:37.860 One other question is, 00:14:37.860 --> 00:14:40.760 --not only during Cesur ve Güzel, but for other shows as well-- 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:43.840 when filming the show, 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.940 based on your experiences, are the scenes filmed in chronological order, 00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:51.720 or are they sometimes filmed out of order? 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:58.480 For example, if you don't have a role in one episode, do you not come to the set at all? 00:14:59.260 --> 00:15:04.440 Do you film all your parts at once and then take a few days off? 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:07.540 Or whomever is on that specific episode, are those the only people showing up for filming? 00:15:07.540 --> 00:15:09.120 Now... 00:15:10.060 --> 00:15:13.680 what we call the main cast, who are the leading actors and actresses, 00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:17.300 there is no episode without those lead roles. 00:15:17.520 --> 00:15:20.440 If we didn't have a role that week, that means we have no income that week. 00:15:22.105 --> 00:15:23.105 Because 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.130 all of the rights are being sold to the producers in Turkey according to contracts. 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.750 In my opinion, actors should have the rights over the production as well. 00:15:32.620 --> 00:15:33.620 Actors 00:15:34.335 --> 00:15:35.805 could itemize this in their contract. 00:15:36.740 --> 00:15:39.720 They can require that there will not be an episode without their role. 00:15:40.020 --> 00:15:41.020 That's the first thing. 00:15:42.165 --> 00:15:43.665 The second one is, 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:49.040 for having a part in every episode, 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:52.900 it does not work like that, it goes like this... For example, 00:15:52.900 --> 00:15:56.840 in the beginning, when you turn the first page on the script, 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.580 just because you see Tahsin on the first page 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:01.900 doesn't mean you'll start filming with Tahsin. 00:16:02.875 --> 00:16:06.255 You could start right in the middle. We start according to location. 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.500 Because we start filming on Mondays, 00:16:09.660 --> 00:16:14.100 if the scene needs to be filmed in the office, the space needs to be rented on Monday. 00:16:14.280 --> 00:16:17.175 That office may not be available on Monday, 00:16:17.180 --> 00:16:21.800 but if it can be rented Sunday, then we may have to film on a Sunday. 00:16:22.460 --> 00:16:24.940 The Mansion may be rented for Monday. 00:16:25.760 --> 00:16:28.480 On Tuesday, we may have rented the farmhouse. 00:16:29.400 --> 00:16:33.680 On Wednesday, we need to vacate the city center, and the show's props are removed. 00:16:34.040 --> 00:16:36.320 Then what happens is, 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:41.640 the last scene could be filmed in the beginning, the first scene may be filmed in the end. 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:47.260 The scenes are not filmed in chronological order, but will later be edited and put in order. 00:16:47.680 --> 00:16:50.320 All right then, you memorize the script... 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:55.220 OK, I pretty much know the answer to this question, but it has been asked by the members. 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.720 But during the filming, do you improvise the lines at all? 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:06.260 Do you add any additional lines, or change any lines based on your mood that day? 00:17:06.420 --> 00:17:11.200 Now, as you know, a knowledge that come from memorization is worthless in life. 00:17:11.380 --> 00:17:12.359 Isn't it? 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:14.760 For example in old American movies, 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:20.260 let's say a new lieutenant who recently graduated from military school is stationed on a submarine, 00:17:21.760 --> 00:17:24.920 and he gives orders as he memorized in school. 00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:28.800 But, the soldiers who are already know how things work on the submarine 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:30.500 don't take him seriously. 00:17:30.580 --> 00:17:35.220 There's a saying, "chirping lieutenant" in Turkish. 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.880 And the lieutenant gets really angry with the soldiers, and there's a disagreement among them. 00:17:40.820 --> 00:17:44.560 But, during a battle when the soldiers prove to be right, 00:17:46.090 --> 00:17:51.560 the lieutenant tells the soldiers that they were right, and they come to an agreement. 00:17:52.300 --> 00:17:54.860 We experience this in real life as well. 00:17:58.280 --> 00:17:59.600 People 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:05.960 during their career, they have to prove their effectiveness. 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:12.320 They don't react to events with memorized responses. 00:18:12.320 --> 00:18:15.580 When you memorize something, you can't understand the role you are playing. 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.880 You can memorize your role without understanding. 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:23.660 However, if you understand the role properly, if you know why this person is behaving certain way, 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.060 how this character would act, how he would behave, 00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:28.340 how he would yell, 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:29.900 how he would laugh-- 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.060 when you consider all of those, it is no longer memorization of the role, 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.940 and the script could be written in the form of a novel. 00:18:39.260 --> 00:18:42.560 And when you, as an actor, can adapt yourself to talking in the style of your character, 00:18:42.560 --> 00:18:44.720 you are able to make your character unforgettable. 00:18:45.460 --> 00:18:48.515 Another question-- 00:18:48.520 --> 00:18:50.480 as you play your character 00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:54.200 throughout the filming of the show, 00:18:56.670 --> 00:19:02.760 do you feel influenced by your character in your daily life? 00:19:02.760 --> 00:19:04.160 No! 00:19:04.460 --> 00:19:07.300 You snap out of your character as soon as the filming is over? 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:11.960 Some of those actors who claim to 'live their characters' say it for attention. 00:19:12.280 --> 00:19:12.940 Hmm... 00:19:13.100 --> 00:19:15.540 There are some of those actors acting like experts claiming this... 00:19:15.580 --> 00:19:18.680 even in the United States, well-known actors claim this. 00:19:19.560 --> 00:19:26.820 For example one of them says, I act my part even on the street, so that I can see the reactions of the people-- 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.860 he says, I try my role outside.... 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.720 And the person who interviews asks, "Is this how you act at home as well?" 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.280 He replies back, "Well, we won't talk about that." 00:19:35.900 --> 00:19:39.600 As if he must act like that all the time. 00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:42.080 But a good actor 00:19:43.220 --> 00:19:46.060 is like a good human scientist. 00:19:48.380 --> 00:19:50.980 Like a psychologist... 00:19:51.600 --> 00:19:54.920 Like a sociologist ... 00:19:55.740 --> 00:20:01.160 On top of that, if he is able to evolve himself, 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:06.740 he can generate his role in his mind easily. 00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:10.880 He does not need to enact it outside and get sick of it. 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.060 Otherwise, every actor would get sick of it after each project. 00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:16.640 Or it would change his personality. 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:20.920 I don't find this to be a good practice or even creative. 00:20:21.460 --> 00:20:25.580 OK, I would like to come back to Cesur ve Güzel again. 00:20:25.820 --> 00:20:28.160 During the filming of Cesur ve Güzel, 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:34.300 can you tell us about a funny memory or experience? 00:20:34.780 --> 00:20:37.880 It could be with Kivanc, or with Tuba. 00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:42.980 Any funny scene with those actors that you have experienced-- 00:20:42.980 --> 00:20:45.600 an accident or a joke? 00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:48.100 We experienced that all the time. 00:20:48.100 --> 00:20:53.590 For example, Tahsin Korludag has a tough personality, but also has a very soft side. 00:20:55.610 --> 00:21:01.840 For example, the other day I was talking to a Turkish couple who had watched the show. 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.000 He said, "I really liked Tahsin Korludag." 00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:09.280 I asked, "Why? Do you have a tough personality as well?" 00:21:09.840 --> 00:21:11.760 He said, "No, I don't. 00:21:12.220 --> 00:21:15.000 And in my opinion, Tahsin Korludag did not either." 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:17.080 I asked, "Is that how you perceived Tahsin?" 00:21:17.080 --> 00:21:20.960 He said "Yes. He may have some attitude problems, but he was an OK guy." 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.915 I said, "How was he an OK guy?" 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.500 So, this is how people perceive characters. 00:21:28.280 --> 00:21:30.220 In my opinion, Tahsin Korludag 00:21:30.760 --> 00:21:33.460 acts tough sometimes, and sometimes like a fatherly individual. 00:21:33.740 --> 00:21:37.020 So one day, when I was acting Tahsin 00:21:37.360 --> 00:21:38.720 --I am coming back to your question-- 00:21:40.180 --> 00:21:42.980 Erkan Avci, who was acting as my son, 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:48.440 in one scene... 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.360 Tahsin says, "Hand me the bread, bottomless cowboy." (as in no underwear) 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:55.500 I remember that part! "Bottomless cowboy!" 00:21:57.420 --> 00:22:00.920 Because he got tricked by the other woman. 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.120 She got him drunk, drugged him, 00:22:03.320 --> 00:22:04.660 and then got him naked. 00:22:04.800 --> 00:22:07.640 And when he woke up, he thought they really did get intimate, but nothing happened in reality. 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:13.540 And the father, both laughing at him and making fun of him... 00:22:13.540 --> 00:22:17.060 So I said that phrase very naturally and spontaneously, 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.880 and we all laughed about that scene. 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.060 We had many scenes like that with Kivanc as well. 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.000 In the real script there was no such phrase as "bottomless Cowboy" then? 00:22:28.040 --> 00:22:32.940 No. Ece wrote that actually, but she was expecting it to be expressed differently. 00:22:33.300 --> 00:22:40.480 For example, if I had said it with more of a straight tone, no one would have laughed... 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:42.360 But, what did I do? 00:22:43.140 --> 00:22:47.740 I looked at him and said it with a condescending tone, just like how Tahsin would say..."give me the bread bottomless cowboy!!" 00:22:47.840 --> 00:22:50.920 See? Even now I laugh when I hear it, because I remember that scene! 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.240 Because, Sometimes 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.880 actors, 00:22:54.885 --> 00:22:57.865 even if it is written in a certain way, 00:22:57.865 --> 00:23:00.860 they can exaggerate, and could underline it by emphasizing it. 00:23:00.970 --> 00:23:03.080 Then they lose the humor behind it. 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:08.000 But when a father says, "Hand me the bread, bottomless cowboy!" 00:23:08.020 --> 00:23:10.720 it becomes funnier...then the son gets mad. 00:23:11.320 --> 00:23:15.180 If he says it with straight face and tone, then it would not work. 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.140 Would not give the same taste. 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:23.880 We call moments like that "unexpected acting" or "spontaneous acting." 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:28.400 Erkan actually has his name for it, "opposite corner acting" 00:23:28.540 --> 00:23:31.100 or "a-tonal acting." 00:23:31.410 --> 00:23:35.540 And then I said, one day a-tonal acting will become a tonal acting. 00:23:35.540 --> 00:23:36.040 I see. 00:23:36.280 --> 00:23:37.080 Because, 00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:39.640 an actor should be able to do surprises like that, 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.450 but he should be able to do it, without underlining. 00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:44.800 It should be natural. 00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:46.410 That's how we are in real life. 00:23:46.420 --> 00:23:48.720 We had that in the Korludag family too. 00:23:48.800 --> 00:23:51.320 Ece wrote that, but we did not use it much. 00:23:51.320 --> 00:23:54.030 Some, especially the older people go like this... 00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:56.940 Meaning like, 'give me the glass' 00:23:57.120 --> 00:23:58.820 without saying "give me the glass." 00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:02.430 And you look at him wondering what he is asking. 00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:05.480 And you go, "Oh, you want the glass?" 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.780 He is too lazy to talk. 00:24:10.840 --> 00:24:12.240 We have those kinds of people too. 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:15.440 We could act that way, because we see that daily. 00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:22.840 Unfortunately, when actors act, viewers often believe that is the actor's true personality in real life. 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:27.200 But when you think about it, we do a lot of unusual behaviors in our daily life. 00:24:27.460 --> 00:24:32.780 When those unusual behaviors are adapted to the characters that we play, then it becomes very enjoyable. 00:24:33.080 --> 00:24:35.730 But to carry this out, you need to know the people really well. 00:24:36.035 --> 00:24:38.295 But many of us who are actors, 00:24:38.755 --> 00:24:40.535 when we play in a movie or series, 00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:42.300 in order not to make a mistake, 00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:45.240 we act like we're molded in a cliche frame. 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:46.380 We act with memorization. 00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.390 That becomes, just like I mentioned earlier, 00:24:49.420 --> 00:24:53.480 the lieutenant in submarine story who said things from memorization, not expressing by living. 00:24:55.020 --> 00:24:58.320 Do you have any memories with Kivanc 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.220 during the filming of Cesur and Güzel? 00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:03.320 Of course, we have lots of memories... 00:25:03.600 --> 00:25:06.040 I can't think of one right now but, 00:25:07.075 --> 00:25:11.295 when he first met me, 00:25:11.300 --> 00:25:13.520 in our first scene together, 00:25:14.020 --> 00:25:16.340 he said to me, "Tamer Abi, my eyes are on you, 00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:20.740 because, you can wear many hats at the same time." 00:25:21.320 --> 00:25:25.620 Kivanc is also one of those guys whom I really like-- 00:25:27.750 --> 00:25:30.310 who has a strong personality. 00:25:30.360 --> 00:25:32.040 And one time he approached me and said, 00:25:32.300 --> 00:25:35.900 "Tamer Abi, if you see that I am doing something wrong, please let me know." 00:25:36.100 --> 00:25:37.520 I do that too! 00:25:37.800 --> 00:25:40.900 Since I have years of experience, they all work with a level of respect. 00:25:41.840 --> 00:25:44.380 On the other hand, I can go to young actor and ask, 00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:45.940 --especially when I do a pretentious role, -- 00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:48.160 I ask how it was perceived. 00:25:48.360 --> 00:25:51.040 What do you think? Does it work or not? 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:54.860 Because they have the outside observant eyes. 00:25:54.935 --> 00:25:57.885 They look objectively. 00:25:58.620 --> 00:25:59.980 Without criticizing you. 00:25:59.980 --> 00:26:02.340 Hah! Without criticizing, they express what they think. 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.420 Yes, we called that "constructive criticism" in English. 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:08.460 Yes, you express what you think in a constructive way. 00:26:08.840 --> 00:26:09.840 Yes... Yes... 00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:13.700 Let me look at the questions again, so that I don't miss anything. 00:26:15.060 --> 00:26:16.540 I would like to conclude with "Sanata Evet". 00:26:16.540 --> 00:26:18.540 But before that.... 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:28.420 Regarding the Cesur and Guzel series... 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:42.000 Is there anything you wish or think that the audience should know about Cesur ve Guzel? 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.060 Anything that the audience does not know about the show, 00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:47.880 but is a very interesting fact about the show? 00:26:51.600 --> 00:26:54.320 The Cesur and Güzel series, 00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:06.520 there was a Hollywood movie called 'Long Hot Summer' (1958) ...the story was inspired from that movie. 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:09.760 Let me look it up for a minute-- 00:27:17.715 --> 00:27:19.365 the plots were taken from that movie. 00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:21.900 who was it.... 00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.800 Orson Welles was in the cast, Paul Newman was the lead actor. 00:27:28.980 --> 00:27:31.960 Tahsin's role was played by Orson Welles, 00:27:32.245 --> 00:27:34.405 and Cesur's role was performed by 00:27:35.340 --> 00:27:37.860 Paul Newman. 00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:41.340 Although it was similar, the story is not exactly the same. 00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:47.260 Indeed, after a certain point, the plot took a completely different direction as we said. 00:27:47.580 --> 00:27:51.140 And this adaptation gives a global appeal to the production. 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:55.040 We see here that, people behave in similar ways. 00:27:55.040 --> 00:27:55.760 I mean, 00:27:55.860 --> 00:27:59.320 even if it's a Brazilian show, it's being watched in Turkey. 00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:03.460 People love watching those exaggerated love stories. 00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:05.995 In Turkey, women can't get up from the TV screen. 00:28:05.995 --> 00:28:09.205 It was the same in Europe. 00:28:09.320 --> 00:28:14.700 In the United States, when daytime TV series started, there was a major implementation of copyright rules . 00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:18.960 So now we see the same implementation on Turkish movies and TV shows. 00:28:20.265 --> 00:28:21.435 Therefore, 00:28:21.865 --> 00:28:24.735 for example, Cesur ve Güzel aired in Georgia, 00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:28.740 in Colombia, there is also a fan club, and now showing where you guys are. 00:28:30.360 --> 00:28:32.000 For this reason, 00:28:32.760 --> 00:28:33.760 I mean, 00:28:34.365 --> 00:28:37.095 the story, 00:28:37.095 --> 00:28:39.885 while it is similar to an American movie, 00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:45.020 it takes place in Turkey... 00:28:45.840 --> 00:28:50.320 Therefore, a person from America, Colombia, or Georgia can find similarities in them... 00:28:50.560 --> 00:28:51.180 Yes. 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:53.780 So, lastly..... 00:28:53.780 --> 00:28:58.380 You have a well-known message called "Sanata Evet," which means "Yes To Art." 00:28:58.580 --> 00:29:01.880 Those who follow you in social media are well aware of this. 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:10.160 You told us, "Art is not a product, it's a process." Can to elaborate on that a little? 00:29:10.840 --> 00:29:15.490 Can you expand on that little more? 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:17.100 Sure, gladly... 00:29:18.040 --> 00:29:22.760 Now, the century that we are living in, the 21st century, 00:29:22.760 --> 00:29:27.180 we are hoping that all things will change for better. 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.020 For example, it was speculated that if the computers stopped (YK2), then life would stop too. 00:29:33.300 --> 00:29:34.360 But it didn't. 00:29:34.560 --> 00:29:35.520 Life continued. 00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:40.160 But, if it stopped, it was said, a new century would start anyway. 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:45.140 But although it did not, a new century started regardless. 00:29:46.600 --> 00:29:51.120 In my opinion, this is a threat in a way, that people are becoming like robots. 00:29:52.060 --> 00:29:58.280 For example, Jack Baugh claims that this can be prevented by involving people in art. 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.760 But when we say art, it includes drawing, sculpture, drawing, photography, theater, cinema, architecture, 00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:05.900 and now sports is included. 00:30:05.900 --> 00:30:08.260 Maybe later on cooking will be included too, who knows. 00:30:08.520 --> 00:30:12.580 Is art going to be creating a product from these vessels, 00:30:12.800 --> 00:30:18.490 or will it be by evolving ourselves as human beings...and creating the process of art? 00:30:19.760 --> 00:30:24.880 If the concept of art comes only from drawing, music, sculpture, theater, etc. 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.280 if it has a code name, then we don't need to call it by name. 00:30:29.860 --> 00:30:32.220 Drawing is a talent, an expression of a craft. 00:30:33.260 --> 00:30:40.100 But art is the process of THINKING how the person is going to create that craft. 00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:45.160 That is why I say, when people realize that process, 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:50.560 they will also realize that THEY are the masterpiece themselves. 00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:55.940 Therefore, I can master anything... 00:30:55.940 --> 00:30:59.220 As soon as they realize that, they will be ready to expand their knowledge and evolve. 00:30:59.270 --> 00:31:03.240 Then, everyone will live with their right brain for art, and their left brain for analytical thinking. 00:31:03.260 --> 00:31:08.620 The cerebellum is the place that combines the two parts. 00:31:09.020 --> 00:31:10.420 And all humans 00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:13.440 --from the most primitive to the most developed human-- 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.630 have this capability. 00:31:14.630 --> 00:31:19.020 The most important thing is for humans to understand this ability and use it. 00:31:19.280 --> 00:31:22.145 Again, in this century, 00:31:22.145 --> 00:31:25.435 we need to make our lives a form of art. 00:31:25.435 --> 00:31:28.545 I call it directing our thoughts in a positive way. 00:31:28.545 --> 00:31:31.840 I named it "Sanata Evet" (Yes to art), 00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:35.235 and we are seeing this expanding around the world. 00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:44.420 I sometimes wish we could have sort of an non-governmental entity, Global Government, where people are ruled by the Sanata Evet (Yes To Art) vision. 00:31:44.420 --> 00:31:51.520 Where people use their creativity for art, instead of war, death, hunger, and 00:31:51.820 --> 00:31:54.300 concepts like injustice. 00:31:54.300 --> 00:31:58.960 Where people could produce more positive answers. 00:32:01.285 --> 00:32:07.855 I expressed this message as my dream, but there is a big movement on this message. 00:32:08.975 --> 00:32:11.865 Yes, of course you sharing your message from social media has made big impact. 00:32:11.865 --> 00:32:14.635 It comes out of me, and that's OK. 00:32:14.635 --> 00:32:17.875 But it doesn't have to be identified with my name. 00:32:18.155 --> 00:32:20.665 I wish the whole world would adapt to this message. 00:32:20.905 --> 00:32:23.735 Humanity could benefit from this direction, 00:32:23.735 --> 00:32:26.295 just like those people who were able to deliver their messages in history, 00:32:26.295 --> 00:32:29.095 we could do the same. 00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:34.140 Now, another reason I wanted to talk to you was to get your permission first. 00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:38.940 We wanted to work on your "Sanata Evet" campaign. In English, it would go by Say Yes To Art. 00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:41.340 Let's call it "Yes To Art." 00:32:41.580 --> 00:32:42.320 "Yes To Art," OK. 00:32:43.520 --> 00:32:50.330 From now on, we would like to create your Sanata Evet and YesToArt message as hashtags on our social media platforms. 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.960 Of course we can only do this with your permission. 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.210 Very important!! Very!! Please also do comment about it, not just a hashtag. 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:02.230 When you see something being done nicely, explain how that concept can be connected with #SanataEvet #YesToArt. 00:33:02.230 --> 00:33:06.905 And we will share this message with all of our members..