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Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.70,0:00:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rainer: Hello, welcome. I hope it's not\Nstrange that the introduction was actually
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.20,0:00:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in German, although the talks will be held\Nin English, but I think this was announced
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.16,0:00:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that way in the schedule. OK, so welcome\Nto the Bits&Bäume movement for
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.68,0:00:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitalization, sustainability, the\Ncurrent news of Bits&Trees. Just to make
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.36,0:00:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the pun complete, I changed the\Ntranslation of Bits&Bäume to Bits&Trees.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.72,0:00:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what are we talking about today? First,\NI want to introduce myself, then I want to
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.64,0:01:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about some of the topics we are\Ndealing with in Bits&Bäume, and then I
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.24,0:01:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will describe the initial conference in\N2018, then the demands that came out of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.96,0:01:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this conference. And then I will describe\Nthe movement that grew out of the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.32,0:01:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conference, and then I will outline some\Nways to act, which then hopefully guides
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.28,0:01:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perfectly into the discussion. So first to\Nmyself, I'm Rainer Rehak, I have a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.12,0:01:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,background in computer science and\Nphilosophy, I work at the Weizenbaum
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.20,0:01:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Institute for the Networked Society as a\Nresearcher, and I'm active in the forum
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.28,0:01:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Computer Professionals for Peace and\NSocial Responsibility. And I was co-
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.81,0:01:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,initiating the Bits&Bäume conference. Just\None word in advance regarding the framing
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.00,0:01:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of and for environmentalism,\Nsustainability. I'm not so much in favor
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.43,0:02:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the framing that we have to protect\Nnature, because the Earth does not really
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.48,0:02:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,care about the human beings. So, of\Ncourse, once the humans are gone, it just
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.60,0:02:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,needs a certain hundred thousands of years\Nand then everything is OK again. So I
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.70,0:02:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think it's really important to say what\Nwe're talking about, what we're protecting
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.08,0:02:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also our livelihoods. So we all live in\Nsymbiosis. And you could, in a technical
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.74,0:02:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way, say that nature provides services\Nwe need to live. So you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.16,0:02:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can see nature as its own value, of\Ncourse, but we're actually just fighting
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.73,0:02:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for survival. So this is just to make this\Nclear. So, the topics. So what is the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.31,0:02:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole thing with digitalization and\Nsustainability about? Well, first, I would
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.69,0:02:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consider digitalization somehow the\Ncomputerization, algorithmization and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.37,0:02:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,datafication that takes place all across\Nthe world. A computerization means really
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.76,0:03:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hardware put everywhere, IoT and such\Nthings. Algorithmization and datafication,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.60,0:03:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, are pretty clear terms here. In\Nterms of sustainability, I want to talk
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.25,0:03:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the ecological, economical, social\Nand maybe informational sustainability
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.04,0:03:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here. So you could say, sustainability\Nmeans a stable condition somehow with a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.98,0:03:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good life, that provides a good life for\Neveryone. But first, I start with the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.78,0:03:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ecological sustainability. Maybe some data\Non the material footprint of the digital
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.50,0:03:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systems we're using: one percent of the\Nglobal emissions are online videos. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.56,0:03:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,80 percent of all data traffic. If you add\Nhardware and everything, you are maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.48,0:03:54.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around a few percent energy use for those\Nsystems. Maybe one gigabyte in transfer
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.58,0:04:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traffic needs around .06 kWh. So that's\Nkind of one hour of Netflix. It's a half
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.88,0:04:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an hour, 30 watt light bulb, plus minus.\NHowever, if we take the example of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.90,0:04:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Netflix, they try to be CO2 neutral by\Nthemselves. But of course, there are
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.09,0:04:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intermediaries which cannot be controlled.\NSo we see it's not that easy just to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.32,0:04:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I try to be neutral. Some people\Nsay Google uses the same amount of energy
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.16,0:04:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the city of San Francisco. At one\Npoint, Google says they have 40 percent
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.01,0:04:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy saving applied right now. However,\Nthe rebound effect kicks in. If you say
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.56,0:04:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that maybe one hundred new data centers\Nare being built. So it's really, really
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.16,0:04:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not so easy to count those numbers.\NIn Germany, there are data centers
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.24,0:04:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that last year took the energy of four\Nmedium sized coal fired power plants,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.24,0:05:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to Bitkom and that's maybe 10\Npercent of the electricity generation in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.08,0:05:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany for Internet related things. So\Nwhat I'm trying to say here is that all
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.12,0:05:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those numbers, you can always, it's not so\Neasy to put a clear number on consumption
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.20,0:05:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we take energy production into account.\NIf it's all renewably created, wo where is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.24,0:05:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem? But still we have the\Nhardware. Where does it come from? And so
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.24,0:05:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all those questions are quite, quite\Ncomplex. On the other hand, you could also
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.56,0:05:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say increasing online usage, of course,\Nonline banking is increasing. But on the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.04,0:05:42.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other hand, you may need less branch\Noffices, but maybe the back office is the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.08,0:05:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same. The same question applies with\Nphysical meetings or video conferences,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.64,0:05:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we have right now the topic. Of\Ncourse, people are maybe then more in home
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.44,0:05:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,office, less traveling, less office use.\NBut on the other hand, and it's not a very
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.60,0:06:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,small point, you have heating costs and\Nelectricity generation on another place
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.40,0:06:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another spot maybe with different\Nkinds of hardware because of digitization,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.68,0:06:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new behaviors emerge. So you can't really\Nsay, you know, it's not so easy to say if
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.80,0:06:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this gets less, this gets more. So those\Nare complicated aspects. And so what I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.68,0:06:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to say here is it's not so easy if\Nwe look at certain small aspects to see if
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.20,0:06:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's good or not. But we have to\Nput the target. We have to put a goal
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.84,0:06:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the terms of ecological sustainability\Nthis is, right now we have emissions and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.88,0:06:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's the 66 percent chance for 1.5\Ndegrees with a certain budget right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.04,0:06:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means this budget, if we take\Nbusiness as usual, we have around eight
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.08,0:06:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years time globally and then we have to\Ncut to zero to stay within this limits.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.60,0:07:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can also, if you like, not\Nfactually argument, but politically argue
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.52,0:07:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stay within the Paris agreement, which\Nlimits the emissions. And so this is the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.80,0:07:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goal. The goal is not: How can we save it\Na little bit here, a little bit there. But
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.56,0:07:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to look at those indicators. But\Nof course, the other aspect of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.24,0:07:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sustainability, and this is where it gets\Nreally interesting. It gets really
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.06,0:07:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting, for our movement or for the\Nidea, because we have the informational
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.60,0:07:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world connected to economic and social and\Ninformational sustainability. So as I said
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.04,0:07:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before, we shifting our lives into\Ntechnical dependency somehow. We need
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.46,0:07:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digital infrastructures that are\Nindependent from individual use. We have
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.65,0:07:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data information on knowledge, that's\Nbeing reflected within all those digital
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.74,0:07:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructures. So how do we deal with\Nthis? What does sustainability mean in
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.37,0:08:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this aspect? Concerning also the software\Nwe use and also concerning political
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.47,0:08:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,processes that are maybe enabled by\Ntechnology and also what technology has to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.47,0:08:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be made more part of democratic\Nnegotiation processes. You could also look
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.20,0:08:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at, for example, Internet and advertising,\Nwhere right now the ad industry is just
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.98,0:08:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used for increased consumption. So you see\Na very clear connection here between
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.89,0:08:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sustainability and digitalization. And\Nthis also part of us always constantly
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.01,0:08:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using new devices if the old ones break or\Nif they're not usable anymore. So resource
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.96,0:08:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumption as a whole, which is a problem\Nand which is directly at the corner of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.93,0:08:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitization and sustainability. But we\Ncan also look at the digital rights
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.79,0:09:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,management - is repairing allowed, sharing\Nallowed, and we look at the economic parts
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.28,0:09:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Monopoly's privacy and surveillance.\NWhat does it mean when there's a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.73,0:09:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power over societies and individuals? How\Ndoes it influence democratic processes?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.67,0:09:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is also directly in the middle of\Nthose two topics. So you could also say
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.58,0:09:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a representative crisis in\Ndemocracy, since many people support a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.32,0:09:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shift to sustainability, but somehow it\Ndoesn't reflect in policies. So that's a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.62,0:09:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big problem. And we also come to\Nproblematic questions like if free
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.46,0:09:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software was everywhere, but we should\Nhave a look at how this free software is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.50,0:09:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being created. If this is a hobby project\Nof a person, then there's little
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.32,0:09:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reliability. But this is, of course, not a\Nproblem of free software. But how could we
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.15,0:10:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create an environment where free software\Nis the norm and where the people who work
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.00,0:10:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are not close to burnout all the\Ntime. So how to create stable communities?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.21,0:10:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is also something to learn from the\Nsustainability folks. Yeah, other aspects
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.64,0:10:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are maybe electricity and transport grids\Nthat needs to be updated and changed
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.06,0:10:24.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to sustainability goals. A lot\Nof IT is needed there. And if we take,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.01,0:10:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say the IT people into those\Ndiscussions which are already there, of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.02,0:10:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course. But that doesn't make it so easy\Nfor the sustainability people to fall for
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.73,0:10:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the usual blockchain and AI scam. As a\Nlast interesting topic is maybe trade
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.22,0:10:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreements. Where usually more and more\Nthere is IT policy included. And those are
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.55,0:10:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions of sovereignty and control,\Nespecially for the countries in the global
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.98,0:11:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,south. So we see there's a lot connected\Nhere, if we open this box, yeah, this box.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.61,0:11:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So interestingly, we somehow know what to\Ndo. But the climb... so we need to limit
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.60,0:11:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global warming by limiting emissions.\NMaybe some people suggest CO2 budgets or
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.20,0:11:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,caps, we need to abolish subsidies, roll\Nout renewable energies. We need more
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.68,0:11:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sustainable mobility concepts, maybe\Nvegetarian food, regional, seasonal, down
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.12,0:11:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to changing the whole economic system. And\Nin all those aspects, we see
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.71,0:11:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitalization plays a crucial role there.\NHow do we internalize externalities, how
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.12,0:11:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do we break up monopolies? I mean, we see\Nthat right now with Facebook, with Google,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.34,0:11:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all of those big companies. Is it a\Nproblem with tech or is it problem with
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.68,0:11:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,monopolies or is it a combination of both?\NAnd we also should ask with the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.12,0:11:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,application of technology, is the use\Ncase, does it really help with
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.97,0:12:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sustainability? We all know the paperless\Noffice, which now has more paper than
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.41,0:12:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before. So obviously computers did not\Nhelp in this aspect. But those are the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.20,0:12:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,points where we need to take a closer look\Nat what technological solutions actually
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.56,0:12:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,provide. On the social level that we have\Nto stop exploitation, check about fair
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.82,0:12:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distribution of benefits of productivity.\NAnd finally, informational, we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.40,0:12:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take data protection seriously. Maybe you\Nthink about Commons based peer production
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.00,0:12:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and software, but then also other digital\Ngoods and think about free knowledge, open
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.68,0:12:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge and free cultural products,\Nsaying that free always doesn't mean it
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.47,0:12:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't have to, doesn't mean that it\Ndoesn't have to cost anything. But it's
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.10,0:12:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not restricting. So as you might see now,\Nthis is very, very complex. This was a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.42,0:13:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very, very complex bunch of questions. And\Nso at one point, a group of people decided
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.19,0:13:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make a conference in 2018, maybe a\Nsmall view backwards. So a group of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.34,0:13:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organizations found each other, I could\Nsay, I don't want to read all of them
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.39,0:13:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now, but the idea was to bring\Ntogether environmental folks, the hackers
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.82,0:13:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and techies and the development folks to\Ntalk exactly about those topics, so that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.31,0:13:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone could bring in their abilities\Nand their knowledge and then to get in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.94,0:13:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contact with each other and connect the\Ncommunities. With the goal of common,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.66,0:13:42.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,livable future for all and to work for\Nall. Of course, that includes a clean
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.100,0:13:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,atmosphere and that also needs a clean\Ndata atmosphere. OK. So.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.50,0:14:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK. So the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.24,0:14:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was then the reflection on the relation of\Ndigitalization and sustainability, but
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.18,0:14:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also sustainability strategies for\Nprojects and also to bring in ideas like
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.80,0:14:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,convivial technology. Especially\Ninteresting I found the discussion about
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.82,0:14:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the means and purpose relationship. You\Ncould say digitalization is a means and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.69,0:14:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sustainability maybe is a purpose. So like\Ngrowth, which is not an end in itself, but
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.33,0:14:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it should help. But if it doesn't help, we\Nshould stop it. And the same question you
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.73,0:14:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could make for digitalization in certain\Naspects. Because right now, how we
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.64,0:14:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitally do this, this kind of\Ndigitization, it's just putting oil to the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.51,0:14:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fire. But of course, the question is not\Nyes, no, but what do we do and how do we
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.71,0:15:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do it? Do we use centralized systems or\Ndecentralized systems and all of those
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.34,0:15:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions. Yes, and as a result of this\Nconference, there were some concrete
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.74,0:15:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demands that came out, I don't want to go\Ninto details of all of them, you can check
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.36,0:15:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them out on the website. But the first\Npoint was social-ecological objectives and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.86,0:15:24.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the design of digitalization. So social,\Nenvironmental and development policy as
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.21,0:15:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well as peace objectives should be part of\Nthe direction where we're going to talk
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.70,0:15:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about technology, so we can shape it as we\Nneed it. And it should also foster human
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.38,0:15:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rights, climate protection goals, as well\Nas the end of hunger and poverty, because
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.10,0:15:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the ultimate goal. And all the\Nother demands, you can check out
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.60,0:15:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yourself later. As you see, it goes from\Ndata protection, monopoly's, democracy,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.64,0:15:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education. So all the questions somehow\NI've been addressing before, we try to put
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.81,0:16:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it in a shape that's easy to understand.\NSo it's a small leaflet, actually, and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.68,0:16:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's supported by, at least in Germany,\Nmajor organizations from the Hacker area
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.10,0:16:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the tech area and also the\Nsustainability and ecological area. So I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.45,0:16:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not going into those details right now.\NBut the question was then, OK, we can't
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.91,0:16:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control and we don't want to control this\Nthing. So that's why we said: Everyone can
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.71,0:16:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use the Bits&Bäume label as they please,\Nif they adhere to some of our rules, you
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.79,0:16:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to work in the direction of the\Ndigitalization of sustainability. You have
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.04,0:16:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to concentrate on activist science and civil\Nsociety as we know that companies and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.20,0:16:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially politicians have their\Nplatforms already. So we want to give a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.85,0:16:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,voice to the less heard and in our view,\Nmore competent actors. Most of the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.38,0:17:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you support the demands and you live\Nthe motto, so you organize those events
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.08,0:17:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to those principles, anyone can\Nuse Bits&Bäume label as they want. We have
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.81,0:17:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the local material under free licenses.\NYou can ask for help
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.45,0:17:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under bewegung@bits-und-baeume.org\Nif you liked, and the result
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.95,0:17:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was overwhelming. We have branches, pun
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.84,0:17:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intended, in Dreseden, in Berlin, in\NHannover, in Dortmund, Osnabrück, Köln.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.68,0:17:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you have, they come from different\Nareas: Some are closer to the chaos
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.40,0:17:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,family. Some are closer to the Open\NKnowledge foundation family. Some are
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.96,0:17:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming just from university backgrounds.\NSome come from all kinds of backgrounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.76,0:17:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have mailing lists, a forum, a matrix\Nchat, there's even an assembly here at
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.64,0:17:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rC3. You can check it out if you find it.\NIt's always part of the game. And today at
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.57,0:17:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nine, there will also be a Matrix chat.\NYou can find all this on the website. You
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.14,0:18:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can check out the videos of the conference\Nthat have been taking place and yeah, so
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.14,0:18:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's s kind of the whole movement,\Nthat's why it got decentralized and it's a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.74,0:18:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really good idea, as it turned out. So\Nfinally, we get to the last point, the way
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.36,0:18:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to act. Well, of course, individual action\Nis good. You know, if you say I want to be
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.43,0:18:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,streaming with less resolution, that's\Ntotally fine. But it's always clear to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.25,0:18:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state that there's a structural problem\Nhere. We have a total asymmetry, with a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.66,0:18:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of subsidies, making the cheapest and\Nthe most easy option for everything from
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.96,0:18:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,food to electronics, the actually most\Ndangerous one for climate, for avoiding a
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.86,0:19:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global warming. And so this is something\Nthat really needs to stop and needs to be
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.16,0:19:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changed in policy. But that shouldn't stop\Nus from also starting with small
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.68,0:19:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experimental projects, with lab\Nprojects, with software projects, shape
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.66,0:19:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,local groups, go to regular tables what we\Nshould organize somehow. And you can come,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.22,0:19:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, to Bits&Bäume in those\Ndifferent cities if you want, or connect
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.04,0:19:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the online events. And sometimes maybe\Nit's OK to just switch off the computer
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.01,0:19:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and go outside, but I want to finish with\Na quote from Joseph Weizenbaum: "The
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.76,0:19:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question is not how digitalization changes\Nsociety, but how society uses
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.04,0:19:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digitalization." And we try to suggest one\Nway of making it usable globally for a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.26,0:19:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good life for all. And I hope that was not\Ntoo much and too fast. But now I'm happy
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.19,0:19:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get feedback and questions if there are\Nany. Thanks a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.46,0:20:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Hi, I hope you can hear me,\NRainer. Thank you very much for your talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.28,0:20:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now, asking again on the chats and\Non social media to post questions about
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.48,0:20:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your talk, maybe we can begin. So did you\Nexpect this to become some kind of a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.56,0:20:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distributed movement, something that\Nstarted from one from event, really?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.96,0:20:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rainer: We have actually not planned this,\Nbut later on, we found out that it's
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.40,0:20:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impossible to, first, to contain it, which\Nwe also don't want. But it's also not
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.40,0:20:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possible to coordinate this because some\Nof us are volunteers, especially in the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.96,0:20:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tech area. So this is just not possible.\NAnd I mean, decentralization is always a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.96,0:20:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good thing, and it's why we put up those\Nprinciples. But from the beginning on,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.80,0:21:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was not the idea. But somehow it got\Nto life. And it turns out it was a good
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.80,0:21:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea because at least in the German\Nspeaking area, this label has become
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.04,0:21:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like an indicator for certain\Ndiscourse, if we think, for example, Silke
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.68,0:21:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Helfrich, she organized a project 10 years\Nago - jeans, fights and emissions - that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.72,0:21:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always already tried this, but then they\Ncame different names and different
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.24,0:21:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discourses. So it was hard to trace that\Nback. But maybe it works that this kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.80,0:21:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open label also helps that people who work\Non those same issues also find each other
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.92,0:21:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better somehow.\NHerald: So we got a question on the chat:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.55,0:21:49.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jian is asking: Does this mean that there\Nare no big Bits&Bäume conferences in the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.03,0:21:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,near future?\NRainer: No, that does not mean that. It's,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.42,0:22:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uh, let's say, there might certainly be a\Nbig conference in the future. But this
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.40,0:22:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not keep anyone from organizing\Nsmall ones or other big ones, but let's
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.98,0:22:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, some seeds might be already planted\Nand let's see what's happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.17,0:22:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: That's good. We have another\Nquestion coming up right now, and I seem
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.38,0:22:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have lost it - no. Are there any\Ndistributed online events or meetups, one
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.12,0:22:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could join, I think, you went into this a\Nbit in the end. But maybe you could repeat
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.38,0:22:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that where people who are more interested\Nin this can actually meet others.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.88,0:22:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rainer: Yes, definitely. Not only because\Nof the pandemic situation right now, but
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.84,0:22:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are meet ups planned also for 2021-\Nbut of course not that long anymore. And
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.44,0:23:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could check out on the website. And\Nit's on the website up there, there is the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.17,0:23:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connection to the forum and to the Matrix\Nchat, and there we will - not we, I'm also
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.25,0:23:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that connected, but I know it will\Ntake place - there you can find the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.45,0:23:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connection to those local tables and the\Nplan for 2021 is to have one, a bigger
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.26,0:23:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exchange that goes just across the cities.\NAnd I think this is the place to go to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.00,0:23:36.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,check it. But this is definitely in plan\Nand this is some good idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.43,0:23:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So, I mean, you did this talking\NEnglish right now, despite this being
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.90,0:23:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that originated in Germany here,\Nwhat's basically the internationalization
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.66,0:23:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,idea you have in mind?\NRainer: Exactly. So the idea was somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.37,0:24:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a lot of the work we've been doing\Nand coordinating, I see that it's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.93,0:24:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,necessary to distribute this to somehow\Nsay, hey, people have been thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.05,0:24:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this already. And for example, in the\Nconference 2018 already, the talks, all of
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.78,0:24:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the talks have been translated to English\Nas well. So if you check, also at
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.29,0:24:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media.ccc.de, you can always choose the\Nlanguage track English. And but I just or
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.96,0:24:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we just noticed that this was nice for the\Npeople who have been there. But it has not
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.00,0:24:40.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gained broad attention, so this is just an\Nidea to maybe find others who've been
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.42,0:24:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working into this, in this direction to see\Nthat there are other initiatives working
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.92,0:24:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that to join powers and somehow try to\Nsteer the ship into a more sunny direction
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.08,0:25:00.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again.\N{\i1}Background Noise{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.00,0:25:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rainer: I can't hear you talking right\Nnow.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.78,0:25:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Sorry, I didn't want to. OK, I'll\Njust say again, I wanted to say there's
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.80,0:25:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another question coming in. Coolish is\Nasking: Where can I see some of the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.48,0:25:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,projects that took place in the past two\Nyears since conference? I guess the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.80,0:25:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer, again, is your website, maybe.\NRainer: Yes, it's partly, but it's partly
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.40,0:25:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a bit distributed. At first, the website\Nis a good start. But, let me see, there
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.92,0:25:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been conferences in Dresden, for\Nexample, which you can access via the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.96,0:25:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,website - dresden.bits-und-baeume.org -\Nyou can find the documentation there. Um,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.56,0:26:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think the forum would be a good idea\Nto ask there if you can't find all those
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.56,0:26:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other things. And also smaller events like\Non the Internet Governance Forum 2019,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.92,0:26:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we were present in Jena on the Great\NTransformation Conference or the Forum,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.56,0:26:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which takes place every three months,\Nwhich is a discussion format in Berlin,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.40,0:26:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always to certain topics, and we try to\Nsomehow announce it on the website to get
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.76,0:26:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this together. But as I said, if people\Nwould like to join, we're happy if you're
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.16,0:26:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a visionary and bring in your ideas and\Nyour content, that's really great. But
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.16,0:26:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all projects, it's also nice if you\Nsay, well, I actually think it's
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.68,0:26:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting what's happening there. I\Ndon't have the big vision, but I'm happy
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.92,0:26:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with tracing what has been happening and\Nputting it in our history log in the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.96,0:26:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,calendar, which we already have in a very\Nbasic structure, this is also greatly
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.68,0:27:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helped so that other people don't have to\Ndo this work twice. So that's why we will
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.92,0:27:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find some of them on the website, but not\Nall of it. But we're happy if it was
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.48,0:27:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,archived in a more structured way.\NHerald: Yeah, that's also always very
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.28,0:27:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important with community work to put in\Nthe hours and actually do the archiving
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.28,0:27:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work so that it's preserved for anything\Nthat comes up later.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.72,0:27:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rainer: Yes. Just as a comment, this is a\Nclassic example as well of sustainability.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.80,0:27:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like how do you create a sustainable\Nproject or a sustainable community? Of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.00,0:27:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course, if new people come in, where do\Nthey start? You need some kind of memory
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.44,0:27:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this in an organizational way. And so\Nthis is a very interesting instance of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.84,0:27:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what sustainability also can mean. It\Ndoesn't always have to be some crazy new
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.76,0:27:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas. But if we think about the digital\Narchiving and all those questions, this is
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.16,0:28:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all part of it, of getting a livable\Ndigital environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.32,0:28:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you so much, Rainer. I think\Nthat's all the questions we have from the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.96,0:28:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,audience tonight. Sorry again for doing\Nthe introduction in German. I was just in
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.16,0:28:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my mind coming from that. But anybody in\Nthe audience, if you can't find
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.76,0:28:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bits&Bäume, because you don't know how to\Nspell it in German, you can try to get it,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.08,0:28:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you find Wikipaka, that's our name on\NTwitter. And we have a new website we just
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.80,0:28:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,built today, wikipaka.wtf. Basically just\Nclick on anything you'll be linked through
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.68,0:28:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our Fahrplan, to our digital schedule,\Nwhere you will find information about this
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.08,0:28:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk and all the links that Rainer\Nprovided. So this will get you the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.04,0:28:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information you need.\NRainer: And go to the assembly in the rC3
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.76,0:28:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world. So we are there as well.\NHerald: Oh, yes. Yeah. So please come and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.40,0:29:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find the Bits&Bäume assembly in the rC3\Nworld if you have a ticket. Thank you so much.
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