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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ESTV - The Best teachers in the World Clip 2)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.30,0:00:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Selingo] Alright, let's go back to Tennessee for a second.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.35,0:00:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You talk a little bit of - obviously, you focus a lot on Vanderbilt there in Tennessee -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.72,0:00:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you talk a little bit about how Vanderbilt and Teach For America
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.98,0:00:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are essentially the only two intitutions or providers in Tennessee producing high quality teachers.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.69,0:00:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What should happen to all those other providers in Tennessee? Should we shut them down?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.86,0:00:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hem, how do we raise them up to be as good as Vanderbild and Teach for America?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.14,0:00:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then a related question: Teach for America - here you talked earlier about how the -
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.02,0:00:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the lead institutions in this country have essentially abdicated their role in training teachers,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.00,0:00:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but yet Teach for America is this incredibly high-profile program
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.42,0:01:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that students at some of the best institutions in our country clamour to get into every year, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.01,0:01:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are they not clamouring to get into teachers' traditional programs? [indistinct mumbling]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.65,0:01:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[John Chubb] There are a lot of questions there.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.57,0:01:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, I don't think a regulatory approach to training institutions is the right way to - I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.82,0:01:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the states have the power (?) now to close down programs that they, you know, if they want to.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.32,0:01:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they've never had the political will to do that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.35,0:01:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can count on them (?) not having a political will
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.31,0:01:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a better approach is to use transparency, to use information.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.46,0:01:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know, if their performance - if the performance of training programs at education schools
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.85,0:01:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were better known, I think that would create incentives for them to improve,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.43,0:01:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, rather than close down somebody who is actually trying to improve.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.34,0:01:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also - so I think there needs be a lot more information.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.51,0:01:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that there should be a more open market in training.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.51,0:01:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, yeah, there is an alternative certification now in a lot of places,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.83,0:02:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's more often than not an alternative route, but through an Ed school.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.16,0:02:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that there should be other kinds of training institutions that are allowed into the market
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.55,0:02:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we can now (?) get information about their performance,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.12,0:02:15.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I think that the competition for students, the competition ....
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.03,0:02:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Teach For America example, I think, is a great one.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.60,0:02:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It shows that there is interest on the part - intense interest -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.62,0:02:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the part of high-aptitude young people to go into teaching, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.58,0:02:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Teach For America has become ever more selective, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.82,0:02:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is - I think that is actually harder to get into Teach For America
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.18,0:02:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Selingo] than it is .... Harvard\N[Chubb] than into Harvard, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.26,0:02:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is something wrong with that too, because we're looking for bright people to become teachers -
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.79,0:02:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Selingo] - We're also looking for bright people to ..... and then move on to other places
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.65,0:03:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chubb] Exactly. So the - exactly - so the problem I have with Teach for America is that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.79,0:03:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not accompanied by an adequate training and support program.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.67,0:03:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you are able to attract these many people into teaching,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.35,0:03:18.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you provided better support for them, and if the profession were to change,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.85,0:03:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were to be better compensated, were to recognize merit, all the things that, you know, professions do,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.86,0:03:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you could hold more people - more of these people in place,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.30,0:03:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also, if it were a better compensated profession, if it were a better ...... profession,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.17,0:03:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that higher caliber high school graduates were interested in,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.79,0:03:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more of the top universities would be interested in preparing them.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.84,0:03:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Selingo] Yeah, but [indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.95,0:03:47.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how about the jobs themselves: you talk in some ways
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.05,0:03:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that part of teaching is drudgery, right, it's like hourly (?) work in some cases, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.24,0:03:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, is part of improving the actual experience, as well, so that students want to enter into?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.40,0:04:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chubb] Yeah - I worked with, you know, hundreds of schools, thousands and thousands of teachers.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.36,0:04:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, it's unbelievably noble work, there's no work that is more important,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.30,0:04:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's much harder than it has to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.53,0:04:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And - and every industry on the planet is looking for ways
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.52,0:04:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make people more productive and more successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.51,0:04:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what technology is all about.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.86,0:04:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they can do that, then there will be fewer teachers, like, so what? You know.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.30,0:04:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is now an important program.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.38,0:04:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an effort to provide great education to our kids, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.30,0:04:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, whatever that looks like is what we ..... should be trying to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.90,0:04:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes, when a profession becomes more attractive, it does - it becomes more intellectual work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.17,0:04:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, that is one of the arguments that I make in the book,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.63,0:04:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that good teaching is intellectually demanding work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.72,0:05:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not repetitive, right? It requires lots and lots of decisions, it requires intellect,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.20,0:05:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it requires content knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.70,0:05:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we could get there if we would take some of the load off the backs of teachers
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.31,0:05:11.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be taken off by technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.83,0:05:15.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(This has been a production of EducationSector Independant Analysis. Innovative Ideas\Nwww.educationsector.org)