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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(ESTV - The Best teachers in the World Clip 2)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Selingo] Alright, let's go back to Tennessee for a second.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You talk a little bit of - obviously, you focus a lot on Vanderbilt there in Tennessee -
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you talk a little bit about how Vanderbilt and Teach For America
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are essentially the only two intitutions or providers in Tennessee producing high quality teachers.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What should happen to all those other providers in Tennessee? Should we shut them down?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hem, how do we raise them up to be as good as Vanderbild and Teach for America?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then a related question: Teach for America - here you talked earlier about how the -
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the lead institutions in this country have essentially abdicated their role in training teachers,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but yet Teach for America is this incredibly high-profile program
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that students at some of the best institutions in our country clamor to get into for a year, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are they not clamoring to get into teachers traditional programs?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[John Chubb] There are a lot of questions there.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, I don't think a regulatory approach to training institutions is the right way to - I mean
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the states have the power now to close down programs that they, you know, if they want to.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they've never had the political will to do that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can count on them (?) not having a political will
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a better approach is to use transparency, to use information.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know, if their performance - if the performance of training programs at education schools
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were better known, I think that would be a great incentive for them to improve,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, rather than close down somebody who is actually trying to improve.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also - so I think there needs be a lot more information.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that there should be a more open market in training.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, yeah, there is an alternative certification now in a lot of places,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's more often than not an alternative route (?), but through an Ed school.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think that there should be other kinds of training institutions that are allowed into the market
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we can now (?) get information about their performance,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I think that the competition for students, the competition .... (2:12)
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Teach For America example, I think, is a great one.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It shows that there is interest on the part - intense interest -
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the part of high-aptitude young people to go into teaching, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Teach For America has become ever more selective, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is - I think that is actually harder to get into Teach For America
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Selingo] than it is .... Harvard\N[Chubb] than into Harvard, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is something wrong with that too, because we're looking for bright people to become teachers -
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Selingo] - We're also looking for bright people to ..... and then move on to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chubb] Exactly. So the - exactly - so the problem I have with Teach for America is that
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not accompanied by an adequate training and support program.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, if you are able to attract as many people into teaching,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you provided better support for them, and if the profession were to change,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were to be better compensated, were to recognize merit, all the things that, you know, professions do,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you could hold more of these people in place,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also, if it were a better compensated profession, if it were a better ...... profession,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that higher caliber high school graduates were interested in,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more of the top universities would be interested in preparing them.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Selingo] Yeah, but .........
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how about the jobs themselves: you talk in some ways
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that part of teaching is drudgery, right, it's like hourly (?) work in some cases, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, is part of improving the actual experience, as well, so that students want to enter into it?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Chubb] Yeah - I worked with, you know, hundreds of schools, thousands and thousands of teachers.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, it's unbelievably noble work, there's no work that is more important,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's much harder than it has to be.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And - and every industry in the planet is looking for ways
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make people more productive and more successful.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what technology is all about.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they can do that, then there will be fewer teachers, like, so what? You know.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is now an important program.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an effort to provide great education to our kids, right?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, whatever that looks like is what we ..... should be trying to do.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes, when a profession becomes more attractive, it does - it becomes more intellectual work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, that is one of the arguments that I make in the book,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that good teaching is intellectually demanding work.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not repetitive: it requires lots and lots of decisions, it requires intellect,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it requires content knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we could get there if we would take some of the load of the backs of teachers
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be taken off 5:04