(ESTV - The Best teachers in the World Clip 2)

[Jeff Selingo] Alright, let's go back to Tennessee for a second.

You talk a little bit of - obviously, you focus a lot on Vanderbilt there in Tennessee -

and you talk a little bit about how Vanderbilt and Teach For America

are essentially the only two intitutions or providers in Tennessee producing high quality teachers.

What should happen to all those other providers in Tennessee? Should we shut them down?

Hem, how do we raise them up to be as good as Vanderbild and Teach for America?

And then a related question: Teach for America - here you talked earlier about how the -

how the lead institutions in this country have essentially abdicated their role in training teachers,

but yet Teach for America is this incredibly high-profile program

that students at some of the best institutions in our country clamor to get into for a year, right?

Why are they not clamoring to get into teachers traditional programs?

[John Chubb] There are a lot of questions there.

First, I don't think a regulatory approach to training institutions is the right way to - I mean

the states have the power now to close down programs that they, you know, if they want to.

But they've never had the political will to do that

and you can count on them (?) not having a political will

I think a better approach is to use transparency, to use information.

So, you know, if their performance - if the performance of training programs at education schools

were better known, I think that would be a great incentive for them to improve,

you know, rather than close down somebody who is actually trying to improve.

I also - so I think there needs be a lot more information.

I think that there should be a more open market in training.

Yo, yeah, there is an alternative certification in a lot of places,

but that's more often than not an alternative route (?), but through an Ed school.

But I think that there should be other kinds of training institutions that are allowed into the market