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(ESTV - The Best teachers in the World Clip 2)

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[Jeff Selingo] Alright, let's go back to Tennessee for a second.

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You talk a little bit of - obviously, you focus a lot on Vanderbilt there in Tennessee -

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and you talk a little bit about how Vanderbilt and Teach For America

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are essentially the only two intitutions or providers in Tennessee producing high quality teachers.

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What should happen to all those other providers in Tennessee? Should we shut them down?

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Hem, how do we raise them up to be as good as Vanderbild and Teach for America?

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And then a related question: Teach for America - here you talked earlier about how the -

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how the lead institutions in this country have essentially abdicated their role in training teachers,

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but yet Teach for America is this incredibly high-profile program

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that students at some of the best institutions in our country clamor to get into for a year, right?

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Why are they not clamoring to get into teachers traditional programs?

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[John Chubb] There are a lot of questions there.

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First, I don't think a regulatory approach to training institutions is the right way to - I mean

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the states have the power now to close down programs that they, you know, if they want to.

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But they've never had the political will to do that

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and you can count on them (?) not having a political will

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I think a better approach is to use transparency, to use information.

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So, you know, if their performance - if the performance of training programs at education schools

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were better known, I think that would be a great incentive for them to improve,

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you know, rather than close down somebody who is actually trying to improve.

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I also - so I think there needs be a lot more information.

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I think that there should be a more open market in training.

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Yo, yeah, there is an alternative certification in a lot of places,

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but that's more often than not an alternative route (?), but through an Ed school.

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But I think that there should be other kinds of training institutions that are allowed into the market