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Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.21,0:00:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KILGALLEN: I like things that are handmade, \Nand I like to see people's hand in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.24,0:00:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any day in the mission in San Francisco,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.64,0:00:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see a hand-painted \Nsign that is kind of funky.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.20,0:00:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And maybe that person, if they had money, \Nthey would prefer to have a neon sign.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.48,0:00:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't prefer that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.32,0:00:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's beautiful what they \Ndid, in that they did it themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.52,0:00:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what I find beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.92,0:00:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Um, I'm an artist and I just \Nlike those figures a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.48,0:01:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Do you know who painted them?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.19,0:01:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–No, no.\N–They're pretty awesome.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.68,0:01:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Often in the city, when there's \Nso many things to look at,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.04,0:01:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so many things going on, \Nyou don't see those things,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.16,0:01:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I see those things.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.76,0:01:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MCGEE: There's a lot of talk of how damaging graffiti is,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.68,0:01:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this destruction that happens with graffiti,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.80,0:01:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's actually no damage at all,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.28,0:01:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can be like painted over with a roller.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.60,0:01:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just like commercial jingles, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.08,0:01:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are stuck in my head, and to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.64,0:01:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's like, that's damage to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.66,0:02:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KILGALLEN: The public looks at graffiti \Nand sees garbage, and sees ugliness.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.04,0:02:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I always wonder why they \Ndon't look at the billboards,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.40,0:02:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially around San Francisco, \Nthere's millions, everywhere,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.00,0:02:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't that garbage?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.00,0:02:15.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like mind garbage.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.71,0:02:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MCGEE: The billboards are very subversive, \Nand advertising is very subversive,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.92,0:02:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas, like most of the stuff that's done \Non the street is very close to the truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.64,0:02:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like the highest art there is.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.88,0:02:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've done graffiti for a hell of a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.04,0:02:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's never been like a time when I was like,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.72,0:02:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, I'm like 25 now, I'm \Ngoing to stop doing graffiti.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.72,0:02:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it wasn't like a planned thing, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.96,0:02:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, I do art, now I'm gonna surf \Nand now I'm gonna do graffiti.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.28,0:02:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just everything, I've always done it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.52,0:03:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KILGALLEN: And most of the things that inspire my artwork are
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.96,0:03:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,folk art of some kind, American folk art.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.00,0:03:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also very interested in Indian folk art.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.44,0:03:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I first started painting seriously, \NI used to look at a lot of typography
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.88,0:03:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from, like, the 16th century,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.40,0:03:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the color of the inks that they used,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.36,0:03:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were normally black \Nand red, and sometimes blue.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.80,0:03:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having a background in doing \Nprintmaking and doing letterpress,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.48,0:03:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I became very interested in \Nimages that were flat and graphic.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.56,0:03:56.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my painting still today is very flat.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.60,0:04:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my own work, I do everything \Nby hand, I don't project.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.40,0:04:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do spend a lot of time \Ntrying to perfect my line work
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.92,0:04:26.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my hand, but my hand will always \Nbe imperfect because it's human.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.72,0:04:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I'm doing really big letters and I \Nspend a lot of time going over the line
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.20,0:04:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and over the line trying to make it straight,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.08,0:04:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll never be able to make it straight.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.00,0:04:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From a distance, it might look \Nstraight, but when you get close up,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.52,0:04:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can always see the line waver.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.84,0:04:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's, that's where the beauty is.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.48,0:05:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MCGEE: I bring in every little damn thing on the street.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.28,0:05:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some stuff makes it, some doesn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.76,0:05:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some things just get walked \Non for years and years,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.68,0:05:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then magically, it works in a frame.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.04,0:05:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like that process of a thing discarded
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.68,0:05:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then picked up and then intercepted,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.92,0:05:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I do something on \Nit and then it goes into
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.52,0:05:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a fine collector's home, probably.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.64,0:05:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, once again, it's cherished.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.16,0:05:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The frame clusters of drawings are usually \Nlittle scenarios that have developed
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.12,0:05:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that I have seen on the street, and \Nthen go home and just draw it, or whatnot,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.80,0:05:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then put it into a frame,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.64,0:05:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I've always just thought of them as like
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.04,0:05:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar to like how a community \Nof some sort might work.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.88,0:05:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some areas, people are getting \Nalong great, having a good time.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.16,0:06:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then some have tension, so it's \Nlike, loosely like a community.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.89,0:06:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I went into art school, \NI wanted to know everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.32,0:06:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took installation classes, \NI took performance classes,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.68,0:06:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was like, I wanted to know \Nthis thing art like so badly,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.20,0:06:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to know what the hell it was.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.76,0:06:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could never knock art school.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.04,0:06:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learned so much about the process of making
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.08,0:06:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and documentating, and voila, \Nhere's art, we have art, yay!
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.28,0:06:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone applaud, we have art.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.64,0:06:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt like I was an art school jock of some sort.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.40,0:06:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it was art that I was going to \Ndo, I was going to be good at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.00,0:06:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no way that I was \Ngoing to be lousy at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.84,0:06:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ train whistle ]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.64,0:07:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Oh, my god, we gotta go, because there's \Na guy back there and I don't know him.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.80,0:07:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–All right, we should probably go.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.24,0:07:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thing that really \Nfascinated me about the trains
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.68,0:07:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it's very much about folklore.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.68,0:07:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see a huge variety of markings.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.12,0:07:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just really, really old ones,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.48,0:07:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's so much history there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.24,0:07:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is something that's been happening
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.08,0:07:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever since trains were around.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.00,0:07:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it is still happening today, \Nit's happening in the present,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.44,0:07:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet when you look at \Nit, it looks like folklore.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.48,0:07:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He originally wrote it in '85,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.56,0:07:51.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then he came past it again in '91,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.68,0:07:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then he came past it again in '92.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.44,0:07:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So every time he goes past \Nit, you update your signature.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.52,0:08:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're learning about someone \Nwithout ever even knowing the person.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.40,0:08:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's legalities about writing on someone \Nelse's property, too, which I always enjoy.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.16,0:08:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's a lot of people that are just like\Nworking-class people that write on trains, and...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.74,0:08:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KILGALLEN: and they don't know why they do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.60,0:08:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know why we do it, \Nit's like you just do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.52,0:08:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–We haven't got kicked out or anything, \NI was expecting to get kicked out.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.92,0:08:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–I know.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.16,0:08:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–That's a good one.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.56,0:08:32.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Barry –
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.73,0:08:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–What, I almost hit it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.36,0:08:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Barry, don't --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.78,0:08:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,–Look, I have one on there.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.52,0:08:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever I do stuff indoors, I always feel like
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.32,0:09:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to do 110% more stuff \Noutdoors to keep, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.64,0:09:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my street credibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.68,0:09:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's probably the audience I'm most worried about,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.64,0:09:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like graffiti kids that are \Nreally doing stuff are like...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.08,0:09:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm always wary of how I sit in the eye
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.40,0:09:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of like a 12- or 13-year-old kid, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.20,0:09:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what do they think of what I've done,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.96,0:09:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how I fit in their scheme of things,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.44,0:09:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or, "Oh, that guy sold out."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.08,0:09:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KILGALLEN: The more and more work I do in a gallery,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.64,0:09:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it's really easy to \Nget separated from people.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.76,0:09:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to be able to sell your work,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.24,0:09:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you want to be able to live off your work.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.64,0:09:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that world that involves the art \Nbuying and selling is a very closed world,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.56,0:09:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes you forget about \Nthe other world around you.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.89,0:10:03.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MCGEE: It has to do with money, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.80,0:10:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who has access to space.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.12,0:10:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I feel like the access to space is \Nlike cut off for like the general public,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.28,0:10:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes me want to do stuff on \Nthe street even that much more.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.56,0:10:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The stuff in the galleries is just, it's \Nalready, the art crowd, it's the same people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.16,0:10:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I feel like if I do something indoors,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.44,0:10:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the circle of people that see things \Nis getting smaller and smaller,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.24,0:10:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas if I'm outdoors, it's \Nopen to anyone to look at.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.40,0:10:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But doing stuff indoors is \Ndefinitely, it's fun to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.36,0:10:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like going to sites and just,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.76,0:10:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they pretty much let me run around wild and free
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.88,0:10:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for like a month, and then I stop and that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.12,0:10:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, without supervision, so...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.52,0:10:55.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a sense of freedom involved, too.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.96,0:11:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Up to about, like, '98, I always \Npainted directly on the walls,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.00,0:11:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then people would come, see the piece,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.48,0:11:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the only thing that would be kind of left
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.12,0:11:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the idea of the piece, but I did something \Nat the Walker, they skinned the walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.76,0:11:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was part my idea, my decision, \Ntoo, so I could have something to keep.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.96,0:11:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a contradiction, too, for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.40,0:11:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I definitely sell stuff to make a living.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.44,0:11:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a working artist now, I mean, I always \Nlike to think that I'm trying to keep it
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.64,0:11:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as pure as possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.64,0:11:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what I do is definitely tainted, too.