WEBVTT 00:00:00.855 --> 00:00:04.321 Two years ago, I set off from central London on the Tube 00:00:04.345 --> 00:00:06.643 and ended up somewhere in the east of the city 00:00:06.667 --> 00:00:08.580 walking into a self-storage unit 00:00:08.604 --> 00:00:12.199 to meet a guy that had 2,000 luxury polo shirts for sale. 00:00:13.180 --> 00:00:15.105 And as I made my way down the corridor, 00:00:15.129 --> 00:00:18.122 a broken, blinking light made it just like the cliche scene 00:00:18.146 --> 00:00:19.343 from a gangster movie. 00:00:20.462 --> 00:00:22.644 Our man was early, and he was waiting for me 00:00:22.668 --> 00:00:25.525 in front of a unit secured with four padlocks down the side. 00:00:26.043 --> 00:00:27.580 On our opening exchange, 00:00:27.604 --> 00:00:29.343 it was like a verbal sparring match 00:00:29.367 --> 00:00:31.001 where he threw the first punches. 00:00:31.401 --> 00:00:33.915 Who was I? Did I have a business card? 00:00:33.939 --> 00:00:35.862 And where was I going to sell? 00:00:35.886 --> 00:00:38.566 And then, he just started opening up, 00:00:38.590 --> 00:00:39.740 and it was my turn. 00:00:40.433 --> 00:00:42.379 Where were the polo shirts coming from? 00:00:42.403 --> 00:00:43.754 What paperwork did he have? 00:00:44.501 --> 00:00:47.032 And when was his next shipment going to arrive? 00:00:47.056 --> 00:00:48.390 I was treading the fine line 00:00:48.414 --> 00:00:51.169 between asking enough questions to get what I needed 00:00:51.193 --> 00:00:53.740 and not enough for him to become suspicious, 00:00:53.764 --> 00:00:58.294 because what he didn't know is that I'm a counterfeit investigator, NOTE Paragraph 00:00:58.318 --> 00:00:59.681 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:59.705 --> 00:01:02.468 and after 20 minutes or so of checking over the product 00:01:02.492 --> 00:01:06.007 for the telltale signs of counterfeit production -- 00:01:06.031 --> 00:01:08.357 say, badly stitched labels or how the packaging 00:01:08.381 --> 00:01:11.206 had a huge brand logo stamped all over the front of it -- 00:01:11.230 --> 00:01:13.126 I was finally on my way out, 00:01:13.150 --> 00:01:16.221 but not before he insisted on walking down to the street with me 00:01:16.245 --> 00:01:17.451 and back to the station. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:19.237 --> 00:01:21.905 And the feeling after these meetings is always the same: 00:01:21.929 --> 00:01:24.009 my heart is beating like a drum, 00:01:24.033 --> 00:01:26.928 because you never know if they've actually bought your story, 00:01:26.952 --> 00:01:30.080 or they're going to start following you to see who you really are. 00:01:30.104 --> 00:01:32.454 Relief only comes when you turn the first corner 00:01:32.478 --> 00:01:34.842 and glance behind, and they're not standing there. 00:01:36.171 --> 00:01:39.352 But what our counterfeit polo shirt seller certainly didn't realize 00:01:39.376 --> 00:01:43.137 is that everything I'd seen and heard would result in a dawn raid on his house, 00:01:43.161 --> 00:01:45.948 him being woken out of bed by eight men on his doorstep 00:01:45.972 --> 00:01:47.362 and all his product seized. 00:01:48.557 --> 00:01:52.040 But this would reveal that he was just a pawn 00:01:52.064 --> 00:01:55.522 at the end of a counterfeiting network spanning three continents, 00:01:55.546 --> 00:01:58.664 and he was just the first loose thread that I'd started to pull on 00:01:58.688 --> 00:02:00.625 in the hope that it would all unravel. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:01.697 --> 00:02:03.434 Why go through all that trouble? 00:02:04.358 --> 00:02:06.799 Well, maybe counterfeiting is a victimless crime? 00:02:07.365 --> 00:02:09.475 These big companies, they make enough money, 00:02:09.499 --> 00:02:10.770 so if anything, 00:02:10.794 --> 00:02:13.530 counterfeiting is just a free form of advertising, right? 00:02:14.170 --> 00:02:16.546 And consumers believe just that -- 00:02:16.570 --> 00:02:19.467 that the buying and selling of fakes is not that big a deal. 00:02:20.110 --> 00:02:23.149 But I'm here to tell you that that is just not true. 00:02:24.848 --> 00:02:28.777 What the tourist on holiday doesn't see about those fake handbags 00:02:28.801 --> 00:02:31.237 is they may well have been stitched together 00:02:31.261 --> 00:02:34.750 by a child who was trafficked away from her family, 00:02:34.774 --> 00:02:37.246 and what the car repair shop owner doesn't realize 00:02:37.270 --> 00:02:39.403 about those fake brake pads 00:02:39.427 --> 00:02:42.769 is they may well be lining the pockets of an organized crime gang 00:02:42.793 --> 00:02:44.895 involved in drugs and prostitution. 00:02:45.950 --> 00:02:48.840 And while those two things are horrible to think about, 00:02:48.864 --> 00:02:51.172 it gets much worse, 00:02:51.196 --> 00:02:54.068 because counterfeiting is even funding terrorism. 00:02:55.043 --> 00:02:56.511 Let that sink in for a moment. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:57.567 --> 00:03:00.396 Terrorists are selling fakes to fund attacks, 00:03:00.420 --> 00:03:04.109 attacks in our cities that try to make victims of all of us. 00:03:05.442 --> 00:03:07.681 You wouldn't buy a live scorpion, 00:03:07.705 --> 00:03:10.753 because there's a chance that it would sting you on the way home, 00:03:10.777 --> 00:03:12.760 but would you still buy a fake handbag 00:03:12.784 --> 00:03:16.283 if you knew the profits would enable someone to buy bullets 00:03:16.307 --> 00:03:19.672 that would kill you and other innocent people six months later? 00:03:20.594 --> 00:03:21.744 Maybe not. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:22.552 --> 00:03:24.314 OK, time to come clean. 00:03:24.668 --> 00:03:25.819 In my youth -- 00:03:25.843 --> 00:03:28.696 yeah, I might look like I'm still clinging on to it a bit -- 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:31.888 I bought fake watches while on holiday in the Canary Islands. 00:03:32.395 --> 00:03:33.767 But why do I tell you this? 00:03:34.229 --> 00:03:36.681 Well, we've all done it, 00:03:36.705 --> 00:03:38.380 or we know someone that's done it. 00:03:38.404 --> 00:03:42.047 And until this very moment, maybe you didn't think twice about it, 00:03:42.071 --> 00:03:43.447 and nor did I, 00:03:43.471 --> 00:03:46.098 until I answered a 20-word cryptic advert 00:03:46.122 --> 00:03:48.407 to become an intellectual property investigator. 00:03:50.086 --> 00:03:53.128 It said "Full training given and some international travel." 00:03:53.152 --> 00:03:56.901 Within a week, I was creating my first of many aliases, 00:03:56.925 --> 00:04:00.003 and in the 10 years since, I've investigated fake car parts, 00:04:00.027 --> 00:04:03.241 alloy wheels, fake pet grooming tools, 00:04:03.265 --> 00:04:04.956 fake bicycle parts, 00:04:04.980 --> 00:04:07.107 and, of course, the counterfeiter's favorite, 00:04:07.131 --> 00:04:10.241 fake luxury leather goods, clothing and shoes. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:11.027 --> 00:04:13.901 And what I've learned in the 10 years of investigating fakes 00:04:13.925 --> 00:04:16.366 is that once you start to scratch the surface, 00:04:16.390 --> 00:04:18.552 you find that they are rotten to the core, 00:04:18.576 --> 00:04:23.314 as are the people and organizations that are making money from them, 00:04:23.338 --> 00:04:26.805 because they are profiting on a massive, massive scale. 00:04:27.499 --> 00:04:29.928 You can only make around a hundred to 200 percent 00:04:29.952 --> 00:04:31.466 selling drugs on the street. 00:04:31.807 --> 00:04:35.650 You can make 2,000 percent selling fakes online 00:04:35.674 --> 00:04:37.895 with little of the same risks or penalties. 00:04:38.856 --> 00:04:40.141 And this quick, easy money 00:04:40.165 --> 00:04:42.809 then goes on to fund the more serious types of crime, 00:04:42.833 --> 00:04:45.397 and it pays the way to making these organizations, 00:04:45.421 --> 00:04:47.832 these criminal organizations, look more legitimate. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:48.863 --> 00:04:50.894 So let me bring you in on a live case. 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:53.819 Earlier this year, a series of raids took place 00:04:53.843 --> 00:04:56.164 in one of my longest-running investigations. 00:04:56.470 --> 00:04:59.523 Five warehouses were raided in Turkey, 00:04:59.547 --> 00:05:03.360 and over two million finished counterfeit clothing products were seized, 00:05:03.384 --> 00:05:06.375 and it took 16 trucks to take that all away. 00:05:07.288 --> 00:05:08.718 But this gang had been clever. 00:05:08.742 --> 00:05:12.130 They had gone to the lengths of creating their own fashion brands, 00:05:12.154 --> 00:05:14.137 complete with registered trademarks, 00:05:14.161 --> 00:05:16.662 and even having photo shoots on yachts in Italy. 00:05:19.124 --> 00:05:22.782 And they would use these completely unheard-of and unsuspicious brand names 00:05:22.806 --> 00:05:25.448 as a way of shipping container loads of fakes 00:05:25.472 --> 00:05:27.948 to shell companies that they'd set up across Europe. 00:05:28.974 --> 00:05:30.846 And documents found during those raids 00:05:30.870 --> 00:05:34.244 found that they'd been falsifying shipping documents 00:05:34.268 --> 00:05:37.014 so the customs officials would literally have no idea 00:05:37.038 --> 00:05:39.228 who had sent the products in the first place. 00:05:39.944 --> 00:05:42.301 When police got access to just one bank account, 00:05:42.325 --> 00:05:44.139 they found nearly three million euros 00:05:44.163 --> 00:05:47.608 had been laundered out of Spain in less than two years, 00:05:47.632 --> 00:05:49.711 and just two days after those raids, 00:05:49.735 --> 00:05:53.200 that gang were trying to bribe a law firm to get their stock back. 00:05:54.782 --> 00:05:57.846 Even now, we have no idea where all that money went, 00:05:57.870 --> 00:05:59.036 to who it went to, 00:05:59.060 --> 00:06:02.353 but you can bet it's never going to benefit the likes of you or me. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:03.970 --> 00:06:06.272 But these aren't just low-level street thugs. 00:06:06.739 --> 00:06:09.876 They're business professionals, and they fly first class. 00:06:09.900 --> 00:06:11.806 They trick legitimate businesses 00:06:11.830 --> 00:06:14.790 with convincing fake invoices and paperwork, 00:06:14.814 --> 00:06:16.440 so everything just seems real, 00:06:16.464 --> 00:06:19.060 and then they set up eBay and Amazon accounts 00:06:19.084 --> 00:06:22.027 just to compete with the people they've already sold fakes to. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:23.813 --> 00:06:25.622 But this isn't just happening online. 00:06:26.117 --> 00:06:30.594 For a few years, I also used to attend automotive trade shows 00:06:30.618 --> 00:06:33.301 taking place in huge exhibition spaces, 00:06:33.325 --> 00:06:36.517 but away from the Ferraris and the Bentleys and the flashing lights, 00:06:36.541 --> 00:06:38.475 there'd be companies selling fakes: 00:06:38.499 --> 00:06:41.190 companies with a brochure on the counter 00:06:41.214 --> 00:06:44.516 and another one underneath, if you ask them the right questions. 00:06:44.540 --> 00:06:47.351 And they would sell me fake car parts, faulty fake car parts 00:06:47.375 --> 00:06:51.892 that have been estimated to cause over 36,000 fatalities, 00:06:51.916 --> 00:06:53.787 deaths on our roads each year. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:55.182 --> 00:07:01.071 Counterfeiting is set to become a 2.3-trillion-dollar underground economy, 00:07:01.095 --> 00:07:04.150 and the damage that can be done with that kind of money, 00:07:04.174 --> 00:07:05.460 it's really frightening ... 00:07:06.587 --> 00:07:09.905 because fakes fund terror. 00:07:09.929 --> 00:07:12.350 Fake trainers on the streets of Paris, 00:07:12.374 --> 00:07:14.817 fake cigarettes in West Africa, 00:07:14.841 --> 00:07:17.056 and pirate music CDs in the USA 00:07:17.080 --> 00:07:20.334 have all gone on to fund trips to training camps, 00:07:20.358 --> 00:07:23.484 bought weapons and ammunition, or the ingredients for explosives. 00:07:24.421 --> 00:07:27.620 In June 2014, the French security services 00:07:27.644 --> 00:07:33.620 stopped monitoring the communications of Said and Cherif Kouachi, 00:07:33.644 --> 00:07:37.524 the two brothers who had been on a terror watch list for three years. 00:07:37.548 --> 00:07:40.772 But that summer, they were only picking up that Cherif was buying 00:07:40.796 --> 00:07:42.855 fake trainers from China, 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.514 so it signaled a shift away from extremism 00:07:45.538 --> 00:07:48.442 into what was considered a low-level petty crime. 00:07:49.752 --> 00:07:51.045 The threat had gone away. 00:07:52.049 --> 00:07:53.207 Seven months later, 00:07:53.231 --> 00:07:56.389 the two brothers walked into the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine 00:07:56.413 --> 00:07:59.218 and killed 12 people, wounded 11 more, 00:07:59.242 --> 00:08:01.908 with guns from the proceeds of those fakes. 00:08:02.603 --> 00:08:06.235 So whatever you think, this isn't a faraway problem happening in China. 00:08:06.259 --> 00:08:07.551 It's happening right here. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:09.528 --> 00:08:10.885 And Paris is not unique. 00:08:11.642 --> 00:08:15.754 Ten years earlier, in 2004, 191 people lost their lives 00:08:15.778 --> 00:08:17.721 when a Madrid commuter train was bombed. 00:08:18.307 --> 00:08:22.561 The attack had been partly funded by the sale of pirate music CDs in the US. 00:08:22.880 --> 00:08:25.722 Two years prior to that, an Al Qaeda training manual 00:08:25.746 --> 00:08:28.316 recommended explicitly selling fakes 00:08:28.340 --> 00:08:30.991 as a good way of supporting terror cells. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:32.574 --> 00:08:37.709 But despite this, despite the evidence connecting terrorism and counterfeiting, 00:08:37.733 --> 00:08:40.503 we do go on buying them, increasing the demand 00:08:40.527 --> 00:08:42.876 to the point where there's even a store in Turkey 00:08:42.900 --> 00:08:46.664 called "I Love Genuine Fakes." 00:08:46.688 --> 00:08:49.887 And you have tourists posing with photographs on TripAdvisor, 00:08:49.911 --> 00:08:51.648 giving it five-star reviews. 00:08:52.301 --> 00:08:54.736 But would those same tourists have gone into a store 00:08:54.760 --> 00:08:58.072 called "I Love Genuine Fake Viagra Pills" 00:08:58.096 --> 00:09:00.500 or "I Genuinely Love Funding Terrorism"? 00:09:01.282 --> 00:09:02.432 I doubt it. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:03.564 --> 00:09:06.510 Many of us think that we're completely helpless 00:09:06.534 --> 00:09:08.620 against organized crime and terrorism, 00:09:08.644 --> 00:09:11.550 that we can do nothing about the next attack, 00:09:11.574 --> 00:09:12.986 but I believe you can. 00:09:13.755 --> 00:09:16.359 You can by becoming investigators, too. 00:09:17.875 --> 00:09:20.756 The way we cripple these networks is to cut their funding, 00:09:20.780 --> 00:09:22.392 and that means cutting the demand 00:09:22.416 --> 00:09:25.173 and changing this idea that it's a victimless crime. 00:09:25.197 --> 00:09:27.658 Let's all identify counterfeiters, 00:09:27.682 --> 00:09:29.181 and don't give them our money. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:29.736 --> 00:09:32.396 So here's a few tips from one investigator to another 00:09:32.420 --> 00:09:33.704 to get you started. 00:09:34.633 --> 00:09:35.910 Number one: 00:09:35.934 --> 00:09:38.609 here's a typical online counterfeiter's website. 00:09:39.263 --> 00:09:40.413 Note the URL. 00:09:40.923 --> 00:09:43.884 If you're shopping for sunglasses or camera lenses, say, 00:09:43.908 --> 00:09:47.414 and you come across a website like medical-insurance-bankruptcy.com, 00:09:47.438 --> 00:09:49.003 start to get very suspicious. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:49.027 --> 00:09:50.553 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:09:50.577 --> 00:09:52.849 Counterfeiters register expired domain names 00:09:52.873 --> 00:09:56.149 as a way of keeping up the old website's Google page ranking. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:57.401 --> 00:09:58.552 Number two: 00:09:58.576 --> 00:10:02.059 is the website screaming at you that everything is 100 percent genuine, 00:10:02.083 --> 00:10:05.290 but still giving you 75 percent off the latest collection? 00:10:06.003 --> 00:10:08.431 Look for words like "master copy," 00:10:08.455 --> 00:10:10.455 "overruns," "straight from the factory." 00:10:11.201 --> 00:10:14.321 They could write this all in Comic Sans, it's that much of a joke. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:14.345 --> 00:10:15.954 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:10:15.978 --> 00:10:17.212 Number three: 00:10:17.236 --> 00:10:19.112 if you get as far as the checkout page, 00:10:19.136 --> 00:10:24.399 and you don't see "https" or a padlock symbol next to the URL, 00:10:24.423 --> 00:10:27.035 you should really start thinking about closing the tab, 00:10:27.059 --> 00:10:29.337 because these indicate active security measures 00:10:29.361 --> 00:10:32.466 that will keep your personal and credit card information safe. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:32.490 --> 00:10:34.583 OK, last one: 00:10:34.607 --> 00:10:36.811 go hunting for the "Contact Us" page. 00:10:36.835 --> 00:10:39.664 If you can only find a generic webform, 00:10:39.688 --> 00:10:43.613 no company name, telephone number, email address, postal address -- 00:10:43.637 --> 00:10:45.697 that's it, case closed. 00:10:45.721 --> 00:10:47.968 You found a counterfeiter. 00:10:47.992 --> 00:10:50.263 Sadly, you're going to have to go back to Google 00:10:50.287 --> 00:10:52.431 and start your shopping search all over again, 00:10:52.455 --> 00:10:55.365 but you didn't get ripped off, so that's only a good thing. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:56.601 --> 00:11:00.173 As the world's most famous fictional detective would say, 00:11:00.197 --> 00:11:02.275 "Watson, the game is afoot." 00:11:03.027 --> 00:11:05.558 Only this time, my investigator friends, 00:11:05.582 --> 00:11:07.162 the game is painfully real. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:07.973 --> 00:11:10.075 So the next time you're shopping online, 00:11:10.099 --> 00:11:11.996 or perhaps wherever it is, 00:11:12.020 --> 00:11:16.212 look closer, question a little bit deeper, and ask yourself -- 00:11:16.236 --> 00:11:19.147 before you hand over the cash or click "Buy," 00:11:19.171 --> 00:11:20.449 "Am I sure this is real?" 00:11:21.208 --> 00:11:24.658 Tell your friend that used to buy counterfeit watches 00:11:24.682 --> 00:11:27.656 that he may just have brought the next attack one day closer. 00:11:28.335 --> 00:11:30.810 And, if you see an Instagram advert for fakes, 00:11:30.834 --> 00:11:32.224 don't keep scrolling past, 00:11:32.248 --> 00:11:34.461 report it to the platform as a scam. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:35.375 --> 00:11:38.437 Let's shine a light on the dark forces of counterfeiting 00:11:38.461 --> 00:11:39.946 that are hiding in plain sight. 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:42.525 So please, spread the word 00:11:42.549 --> 00:11:43.970 and don't stop investigating. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:44.385 --> 00:11:45.536 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:45.560 --> 00:11:49.730 (Applause)