1 00:00:00,855 --> 00:00:04,321 Two years ago, I set off from Central London on the Tube 2 00:00:04,345 --> 00:00:06,643 and ended up somewhere in the east of the city 3 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:08,580 walking into a self storage unit 4 00:00:08,604 --> 00:00:12,199 to meet a guy that had 2,000 luxury polo shirts for sale. 5 00:00:13,180 --> 00:00:15,105 And as I made my way down the corridor, 6 00:00:15,129 --> 00:00:18,122 a broken, blinking light made it just like the cliche scene 7 00:00:18,146 --> 00:00:19,343 from a gangster movie. 8 00:00:20,462 --> 00:00:23,415 Our man was early, and he was waiting for me in front of a unit 9 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:25,463 secured with four padlocks down the side. 10 00:00:26,043 --> 00:00:27,580 On our opening exchange, 11 00:00:27,604 --> 00:00:29,351 it was like a verbal sparring match, 12 00:00:29,375 --> 00:00:31,009 where he threw the first punches. 13 00:00:31,401 --> 00:00:32,566 Who was I? 14 00:00:32,590 --> 00:00:33,915 Did I have a business card? 15 00:00:33,939 --> 00:00:35,406 And where was I going to sell? 16 00:00:35,886 --> 00:00:38,566 And then, he just started opening up, 17 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:39,740 and it was my turn. 18 00:00:40,433 --> 00:00:42,379 Where were the polo shirts coming from? 19 00:00:42,403 --> 00:00:43,754 What paperwork did he have? 20 00:00:44,501 --> 00:00:47,032 And when was his next shipment going to arrive? 21 00:00:47,056 --> 00:00:49,629 I was treading the fine between asking enough questions 22 00:00:49,653 --> 00:00:51,169 to get what I needed 23 00:00:51,193 --> 00:00:53,740 and not enough for him to become suspicious, 24 00:00:53,764 --> 00:00:55,413 because what he didn't know 25 00:00:55,437 --> 00:00:58,285 is that I'm a counterfeit investigator, 26 00:00:59,705 --> 00:01:02,468 and after 20 minutes or so of checking over the product 27 00:01:02,492 --> 00:01:06,007 for the telltale signs of counterfeit production, 28 00:01:06,031 --> 00:01:08,357 say, badly stitched labels or how the packaging 29 00:01:08,381 --> 00:01:11,206 had a huge brand logo stamped all over the front of it, 30 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:13,126 I was finally on my way out, 31 00:01:13,150 --> 00:01:16,221 but not before he insisted on walking down to the street with me 32 00:01:16,245 --> 00:01:17,451 and back to the station. 33 00:01:19,237 --> 00:01:21,905 And the feeling after these meetings is always the same: 34 00:01:21,929 --> 00:01:24,009 my heart is beating like a drum, 35 00:01:24,033 --> 00:01:26,928 because you never know if they've actually bought your story, 36 00:01:26,952 --> 00:01:30,080 or they're going to start following you to see who you really are. 37 00:01:30,104 --> 00:01:32,454 Relief only comes when you turn the first corner 38 00:01:32,478 --> 00:01:34,842 and glance behind and they're not standing there. 39 00:01:36,171 --> 00:01:38,660 But what our counterfeit polo shirt seller certainly didn't realize 40 00:01:38,684 --> 00:01:42,629 is that everything I'd seen and heard would result in a dawn raid on his house, 41 00:01:42,653 --> 00:01:44,417 him being woken out of bed 42 00:01:44,441 --> 00:01:47,338 by eight men on his doorstep and all his product seized. 43 00:01:48,557 --> 00:01:51,251 But this would reveal that he was just a pawn 44 00:01:51,275 --> 00:01:55,522 at the end of a counterfeiting network spanning three continents, 45 00:01:55,546 --> 00:01:58,664 and he was just the first loose thread that I'd started to pull on 46 00:01:58,688 --> 00:02:00,625 in the hope that it would all unravel. 47 00:02:01,697 --> 00:02:03,434 Why go through all that trouble? 48 00:02:04,358 --> 00:02:06,799 Well, maybe counterfeiting is a victimless crime? 49 00:02:07,365 --> 00:02:09,475 These big companies, they make enough money, 50 00:02:09,499 --> 00:02:10,770 so if anything, 51 00:02:10,794 --> 00:02:13,530 counterfeiting is just a free form of advertising, right? 52 00:02:14,170 --> 00:02:16,546 And consumers believe just that, 53 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:18,293 that the buying and selling of fakes 54 00:02:18,317 --> 00:02:19,467 is not that big a deal. 55 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:23,149 But I'm here to tell you that that is just not true. 56 00:02:24,848 --> 00:02:28,777 What the tourist on holiday doesn't see about those fake handbags 57 00:02:28,801 --> 00:02:31,237 is they may well have been stitched together 58 00:02:31,261 --> 00:02:34,750 by a child that was trafficked away from her family, 59 00:02:34,774 --> 00:02:37,246 and what the car repair shop owner doesn't realize 60 00:02:37,270 --> 00:02:39,403 about those fake brake pads 61 00:02:39,427 --> 00:02:41,332 is they may well be lining the products 62 00:02:41,356 --> 00:02:42,769 with an organized crime gang 63 00:02:42,793 --> 00:02:44,895 involved in drugs and prostitution. 64 00:02:45,950 --> 00:02:48,840 And while those two things are horrible to think about, 65 00:02:48,864 --> 00:02:51,172 it gets much worse, 66 00:02:51,196 --> 00:02:54,068 because counterfeiting is even funding terrorism. 67 00:02:55,043 --> 00:02:56,511 Let that sink in for a moment. 68 00:02:57,567 --> 00:03:00,396 Terrorists are selling fakes to fund attacks, 69 00:03:00,420 --> 00:03:02,131 attacks in our cities 70 00:03:02,155 --> 00:03:04,109 that try to make victims of all of us. 71 00:03:05,442 --> 00:03:07,681 You wouldn't buy a live scorpion 72 00:03:07,705 --> 00:03:10,712 because there is chance that it would sting you on the way home, 73 00:03:10,736 --> 00:03:12,760 but would you still buy a fake handbag 74 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:14,204 if you knew the profits 75 00:03:14,228 --> 00:03:16,283 would enable someone to buy bullets 76 00:03:16,307 --> 00:03:19,672 that would kill you and other innocent people six months later? 77 00:03:20,594 --> 00:03:21,744 Maybe not. 78 00:03:22,552 --> 00:03:24,314 OK, time to come clean. 79 00:03:24,668 --> 00:03:25,819 In my youth, yeah, 80 00:03:25,843 --> 00:03:28,696 I might look like I'm still clinging on to it a bit, 81 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,888 I bought fake watches while on holiday in the Canary Islands. 82 00:03:32,395 --> 00:03:33,767 But why do I tell you this? 83 00:03:34,229 --> 00:03:36,681 Well, we've all done it, 84 00:03:36,705 --> 00:03:38,380 or we know someone that's done it, 85 00:03:38,404 --> 00:03:42,047 and until this very moment, maybe you didn't think twice about it, 86 00:03:42,071 --> 00:03:43,447 and nor did I, 87 00:03:43,471 --> 00:03:46,098 until I answered a 20-word cryptic advert 88 00:03:46,122 --> 00:03:48,407 to become an intellectual property investigator. 89 00:03:50,086 --> 00:03:53,128 It said, "full training given and some international travel." 90 00:03:53,152 --> 00:03:56,900 Within a week, I was creating my first of many aliases, 91 00:03:56,924 --> 00:03:59,964 and in the 10 years since, I've investigated fake car parts, 92 00:03:59,988 --> 00:04:03,241 ??. fake tech grooming tools, 93 00:04:03,265 --> 00:04:04,956 fake bicycle parts, 94 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:07,107 and, of course, the counterfeiter's favorite, 95 00:04:07,131 --> 00:04:10,241 fake luxury leather goods, clothing and shoes. 96 00:04:11,027 --> 00:04:13,901 And what I've learned in the 10 years of investigating fakes 97 00:04:13,925 --> 00:04:16,366 is that once you start to scratch the surface, 98 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:18,552 you find that they are rotten to the core, 99 00:04:18,576 --> 00:04:21,297 as are the people and organizations 100 00:04:21,321 --> 00:04:23,314 that are making money from them, 101 00:04:23,338 --> 00:04:26,805 because they are profiting on a massive, massive scale. 102 00:04:27,499 --> 00:04:29,928 You can only make around a hundred to 200 percent 103 00:04:29,952 --> 00:04:31,466 selling drugs on the street. 104 00:04:31,807 --> 00:04:35,650 You can make 2,000 percent selling fakes online 105 00:04:35,674 --> 00:04:37,895 with little of the same risks or penalties. 106 00:04:38,856 --> 00:04:41,232 And this quick, easy money then goes on to fund 107 00:04:41,256 --> 00:04:42,809 the more serious types of crime, 108 00:04:42,833 --> 00:04:45,397 and it pays the way to making these organizations, 109 00:04:45,421 --> 00:04:47,832 these criminal organizations, look more legitimate. 110 00:04:48,863 --> 00:04:50,894 So let me bring you in on a live case. 111 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:53,819 Earlier this year, a series of raids took place 112 00:04:53,843 --> 00:04:56,164 in one of my longest-running investigations. 113 00:04:56,470 --> 00:04:59,523 Five warehouses were raided in Turkey, 114 00:04:59,547 --> 00:05:03,360 and over two million finished counterfeit clothing products were seized, 115 00:05:03,384 --> 00:05:06,375 and it took 16 trucks to take that all away. 116 00:05:07,288 --> 00:05:08,718 But this gang had been clever. 117 00:05:08,742 --> 00:05:12,029 They had gone through the lengths of creating their own fashion brands 118 00:05:12,053 --> 00:05:14,035 complete with registered trademarks 119 00:05:14,059 --> 00:05:16,560 and even having photoshoots on yachts in Italy. 120 00:05:19,124 --> 00:05:21,435 And they would use these completely unheard-of 121 00:05:21,459 --> 00:05:24,537 and unsuspicious brand names as a way of shipping container loads 122 00:05:24,561 --> 00:05:27,750 of fakes to shell companies that they'd set up across Europe. 123 00:05:28,974 --> 00:05:32,368 And documents found during those raids found that they'd been falsifying 124 00:05:32,392 --> 00:05:34,244 shipping documents 125 00:05:34,268 --> 00:05:37,014 so the customs officials would literally have no idea 126 00:05:37,038 --> 00:05:39,228 who had sent the products in the first place. 127 00:05:39,944 --> 00:05:42,301 When police got access to just one bank account, 128 00:05:42,325 --> 00:05:44,139 they found nearly three million euros 129 00:05:44,163 --> 00:05:47,608 had been laundered out of Spain in less than two years, 130 00:05:47,632 --> 00:05:49,711 and just two days after those raids, 131 00:05:49,735 --> 00:05:51,978 that gang were trying to bribe a law firm 132 00:05:52,002 --> 00:05:53,200 to get their stock back. 133 00:05:54,782 --> 00:05:57,846 Even now, we have no idea where all that money went, 134 00:05:57,870 --> 00:05:59,747 to who it went to, but you can bet 135 00:05:59,771 --> 00:06:02,234 it's never going to benefit the likes of you or me. 136 00:06:03,970 --> 00:06:06,272 But these aren't just low-level street thugs. 137 00:06:06,739 --> 00:06:09,876 They're business professionals, and they fly first class. 138 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:13,615 They trick legitimate businesses with convincing fake invoices 139 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:14,790 and paperwork, 140 00:06:14,814 --> 00:06:16,440 so everything just seems real, 141 00:06:16,464 --> 00:06:19,060 and then they set up eBay and Amazon accounts 142 00:06:19,084 --> 00:06:22,027 just to compete with the people they've already sold fakes to. 143 00:06:23,813 --> 00:06:25,622 But this isn't just happening online. 144 00:06:26,117 --> 00:06:28,307 For a few years, I also used to attend 145 00:06:28,331 --> 00:06:30,594 automotive trade shows 146 00:06:30,618 --> 00:06:33,301 taking place in huge exhibition spaces, 147 00:06:33,325 --> 00:06:36,517 but away from the Ferraris and the Bentleys and the flashing lights, 148 00:06:36,541 --> 00:06:38,475 there'd be companies selling fakes, 149 00:06:38,499 --> 00:06:41,190 companies with a brochure on the counter 150 00:06:41,214 --> 00:06:44,516 and another one underneath if you ask them the right questions. 151 00:06:44,540 --> 00:06:47,351 And they would sell me fake car parts, faulty fake car parts 152 00:06:47,375 --> 00:06:51,892 that have been estimated to cause over 36,000 fatalities, 153 00:06:51,916 --> 00:06:53,787 deaths on our roads each year. 154 00:06:55,182 --> 00:07:01,071 Counterfeiting is set to become a 2.3 trillion dollar underground economy, 155 00:07:01,095 --> 00:07:04,150 and the damage that can be done with that kind of money, 156 00:07:04,174 --> 00:07:05,324 it's really frightening, 157 00:07:06,587 --> 00:07:09,905 because fakes fund terror. 158 00:07:09,929 --> 00:07:12,350 Fake trainers on the streets of Paris, 159 00:07:12,374 --> 00:07:14,817 fake cigarettes in West Africa, 160 00:07:14,841 --> 00:07:17,056 and pirate music CDs in the USA 161 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,334 have all gone on to fund terrorist training camps, 162 00:07:20,358 --> 00:07:23,484 bought weapons and ammunition, or the ingredients for explosives. 163 00:07:24,421 --> 00:07:27,620 In June 2014, the French security services 164 00:07:27,644 --> 00:07:33,620 stopped monitoring the communications of Said and Cherif Kouachi, 165 00:07:33,644 --> 00:07:35,740 the two brothers who had been on a watchlist, 166 00:07:35,764 --> 00:07:37,524 a terror watchlist, for three years. 167 00:07:37,548 --> 00:07:40,772 But that summer, they were only picking up that Cherif was buying 168 00:07:40,796 --> 00:07:42,855 fake trainers from China, 169 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,514 so it signaled a shift away from extremism 170 00:07:45,538 --> 00:07:48,442 into what was considered a low level, petty crime. 171 00:07:49,752 --> 00:07:51,045 The threat had gone away. 172 00:07:52,049 --> 00:07:54,860 Seven months later, the two brothers walked into the offices 173 00:07:54,884 --> 00:07:57,515 of Charlie Hebdo magazine and killed 12 people, 174 00:07:57,539 --> 00:07:59,218 wounded 11 more, 175 00:07:59,242 --> 00:08:01,908 with guns from the proceeds of those fakes. 176 00:08:02,603 --> 00:08:06,235 So whatever you think, this isn't a faraway problem happening in China. 177 00:08:06,259 --> 00:08:07,551 It's happening right here. 178 00:08:09,528 --> 00:08:10,885 And Paris is not unique. 179 00:08:11,642 --> 00:08:15,754 Ten years earlier, in 2004, 191 people lost their lives 180 00:08:15,778 --> 00:08:17,721 when a Madrid commuter train was bombed. 181 00:08:18,307 --> 00:08:22,561 The attack had been partly funded by the sale of pirate music CDs in the US. 182 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,721 Two years prior to that, an al Qaeda training manual 183 00:08:25,745 --> 00:08:27,507 recommended explicitly 184 00:08:27,531 --> 00:08:30,991 selling fakes as a good way of supporting terror cells. 185 00:08:32,574 --> 00:08:37,709 But despite this, despite the evidence connecting terrorism and counterfeiting, 186 00:08:37,733 --> 00:08:40,503 we do go on buying them, increasing the demand 187 00:08:40,527 --> 00:08:42,416 to the point where there's even a store 188 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,304 in Turkey called "I Love Genuine Fakes." 189 00:08:46,688 --> 00:08:49,887 And you have tourists posing with photographs on TripAdvisor 190 00:08:49,911 --> 00:08:51,648 giving it five star reviews. 191 00:08:52,301 --> 00:08:55,421 But would those same tourists have gone into a store called 192 00:08:55,445 --> 00:08:58,072 "I Love Genuine Fake Viagra Pills" 193 00:08:58,096 --> 00:09:00,500 or "I Genuinely Love Funding Terrorism"? 194 00:09:01,282 --> 00:09:02,432 I doubt it. 195 00:09:03,564 --> 00:09:04,802 Many of us think 196 00:09:04,826 --> 00:09:08,620 that we're completely helpless against organized crime and terrorism, 197 00:09:08,644 --> 00:09:11,550 that we can do nothing about the next attack, 198 00:09:11,574 --> 00:09:12,986 but I believe you can. 199 00:09:13,755 --> 00:09:16,359 You can by becoming investigators too. 200 00:09:17,875 --> 00:09:20,756 The way we cripple these networks is to cut their funding, 201 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:23,455 and that means cutting the demand and changing this idea 202 00:09:23,479 --> 00:09:24,875 that it's a victimless crime. 203 00:09:25,197 --> 00:09:27,658 Let's all identify counterfeiters 204 00:09:27,682 --> 00:09:29,181 and don't give them our money. 205 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:32,396 So here's a few tips from one investigator to another 206 00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:33,704 to get you started. 207 00:09:34,633 --> 00:09:35,910 Number one: 208 00:09:35,934 --> 00:09:38,609 here's a typical online counterfeiter's website. 209 00:09:39,263 --> 00:09:40,413 Note the URL. 210 00:09:40,923 --> 00:09:43,884 If you're shopping for sunglasses or camera lenses, say, 211 00:09:43,908 --> 00:09:47,414 and you come across a website like medical-insurance-bankruptcy.com, 212 00:09:47,438 --> 00:09:49,003 start to get very suspicious. 213 00:09:49,027 --> 00:09:50,553 (Laughter) 214 00:09:50,577 --> 00:09:53,370 But counterfeiters register expired domain names as a way 215 00:09:53,394 --> 00:09:55,956 of keeping up the old website's Google page ranking. 216 00:09:57,401 --> 00:10:00,172 Number two: is the website screaming at you that everything 217 00:10:00,196 --> 00:10:01,797 is 100 percent genuine, 218 00:10:01,821 --> 00:10:05,028 but still giving you 75 percent off the latest collection? 219 00:10:06,003 --> 00:10:08,431 Look for words like "master copy," 220 00:10:08,455 --> 00:10:10,455 "overruns," "straight from the factory." 221 00:10:11,201 --> 00:10:14,320 They could write this all in comic sans, it's that much of a joke. 222 00:10:15,978 --> 00:10:18,884 Number three: if you get as far as the checkout page, 223 00:10:18,908 --> 00:10:24,399 and you don't see "https" or a padlock symbol next to the URL, 224 00:10:24,423 --> 00:10:27,035 you should really start thinking about closing the tab, 225 00:10:27,059 --> 00:10:29,337 because these indicate active security measures 226 00:10:29,361 --> 00:10:32,466 that will keep your personal and credit card information safe. 227 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:34,583 OK, last one: 228 00:10:34,607 --> 00:10:36,811 go hunting for the "Contact Us" page. 229 00:10:36,835 --> 00:10:39,664 If you can only find a generic webform, 230 00:10:39,688 --> 00:10:43,613 no company name, telephone number, email address, postal address, 231 00:10:43,637 --> 00:10:45,697 that's it, case closed. 232 00:10:45,721 --> 00:10:47,013 You found a counterfeiter. 233 00:10:47,992 --> 00:10:50,263 Sadly, you're going to have to go back to Google 234 00:10:50,287 --> 00:10:52,431 and start your shopping search all over again, 235 00:10:52,455 --> 00:10:55,365 but you didn't get ripped off, so that's only a good thing. 236 00:10:56,601 --> 00:11:00,173 As the world's most famous fictional detective would say, 237 00:11:00,197 --> 00:11:02,275 "Watson, the game is afoot." 238 00:11:03,027 --> 00:11:05,558 Only this time, my investigator friends, 239 00:11:05,582 --> 00:11:07,162 the game is painfully real. 240 00:11:07,973 --> 00:11:10,075 So the next time you're shopping online, 241 00:11:10,099 --> 00:11:11,996 or perhaps wherever it is, 242 00:11:12,020 --> 00:11:15,409 look closer, question a little bit deeper, 243 00:11:15,433 --> 00:11:17,813 and ask yourself, before you hand over the cash 244 00:11:17,837 --> 00:11:19,147 or click "Buy," 245 00:11:19,171 --> 00:11:20,449 am I sure this is real? 246 00:11:21,208 --> 00:11:24,658 Tell your friend that used to buy counterfeit watches 247 00:11:24,682 --> 00:11:27,656 that you may just have brought the next attack one day closer. 248 00:11:28,335 --> 00:11:30,810 And, if you see an Instagram advert for fakes, 249 00:11:30,834 --> 00:11:32,224 don't keep scrolling past, 250 00:11:32,248 --> 00:11:34,461 report it to the platform as a scam. 251 00:11:35,375 --> 00:11:38,437 Let's shine a light on the dark forces of counterfeiting 252 00:11:38,461 --> 00:11:39,946 that are hiding in plain sight. 253 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:42,525 So please, spread the word 254 00:11:42,549 --> 00:11:43,970 and don't stop investigating. 255 00:11:44,385 --> 00:11:45,536 Thank you. 256 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:49,730 (Applause)