WEBVTT 00:00:01.086 --> 00:00:04.575 Two years ago, I set off from Central London on the Tube 00:00:04.575 --> 00:00:07.006 and ended up somewhere in the east of the city 00:00:07.006 --> 00:00:08.875 walking into a self storage unit 00:00:08.875 --> 00:00:13.419 to meet a guy that had 2,000 luxury polo shirts for sale. 00:00:13.419 --> 00:00:15.427 And as I made my way down the corridor, 00:00:15.427 --> 00:00:18.149 a broken, blinking light made it just like the cliche scene 00:00:18.149 --> 00:00:20.116 from a gangster movie. 00:00:20.116 --> 00:00:23.210 Our man was early, and he was waiting for me in front of a unit 00:00:23.210 --> 00:00:26.265 secured with four padlocks down the side. 00:00:26.265 --> 00:00:27.478 On our opening exchange, 00:00:27.478 --> 00:00:29.420 it was like a verbal sparring match, 00:00:29.420 --> 00:00:31.401 where he threw the first punches. 00:00:31.401 --> 00:00:32.590 Who was I? 00:00:32.590 --> 00:00:34.115 Did I have a business card? 00:00:34.115 --> 00:00:36.014 And where was I going to sell? 00:00:36.014 --> 00:00:38.792 And then, he just started opening up, 00:00:38.792 --> 00:00:40.274 and it was my turn. 00:00:40.274 --> 00:00:42.647 Where were the polo shirts coming from? 00:00:42.647 --> 00:00:44.335 What paperwork did he have? 00:00:44.335 --> 00:00:47.374 And when was his next shipment going to arrive? 00:00:47.374 --> 00:00:49.840 I was treading the fine between asking enough questions 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:51.325 to get what I needed 00:00:51.325 --> 00:00:53.992 and not enough for him to become suspicious, 00:00:53.992 --> 00:00:55.503 because what he didn't know 00:00:55.503 --> 00:00:59.738 is that I'm a counterfeit investigator, 00:00:59.738 --> 00:01:02.748 and after 20 minutes or so of checking over the product 00:01:02.748 --> 00:01:06.128 for the telltale signs of counterfeit production, 00:01:06.128 --> 00:01:08.706 say, badly stitched labels or how the packaging 00:01:08.706 --> 00:01:11.505 had a huge brand logo stamped all over the front of it, 00:01:11.505 --> 00:01:13.401 I was finally on my way out, 00:01:13.401 --> 00:01:16.555 but not before he insisted on walking down to the street with me 00:01:16.555 --> 00:01:18.290 and back to the station. 00:01:18.290 --> 00:01:22.250 And the feeling after these meetings is always the same: 00:01:22.250 --> 00:01:24.286 my heart is beating like a drum, 00:01:24.286 --> 00:01:26.754 because you never know if they've actually bought your story, 00:01:26.754 --> 00:01:30.170 or they're going to start following you to see who you really are. 00:01:30.170 --> 00:01:32.741 Relief only comes when you turn the first corner 00:01:32.741 --> 00:01:36.393 and glance behind and they're not standing there. 00:01:36.393 --> 00:01:38.987 But what our counterfeit polo shirt seller certainly didn't realize 00:01:38.987 --> 00:01:42.955 is that everything I'd seen and heard would result in a dawn raid on his house, 00:01:42.955 --> 00:01:44.601 him being woken out of bed 00:01:44.601 --> 00:01:48.835 by eight men on his doorstep and all his product seized. 00:01:48.835 --> 00:01:52.289 But this would reveal that he was just a pawn 00:01:52.289 --> 00:01:55.795 at the end of a counterfeiting network spanning three continents, 00:01:55.795 --> 00:01:59.024 and he was just the first loose thread that I'd started to pull on 00:01:59.024 --> 00:02:01.951 in the hope that it would all unravel. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:01.951 --> 00:02:04.573 Why go through all that trouble? 00:02:04.573 --> 00:02:07.603 Well, maybe counterfeiting is a victimless crime? 00:02:07.603 --> 00:02:09.932 These big companies, they make enough money, 00:02:09.932 --> 00:02:11.226 so if anything, 00:02:11.226 --> 00:02:14.440 counterfeiting is just a free form of advertising, right? 00:02:14.440 --> 00:02:16.839 And consumers believe just that, 00:02:16.839 --> 00:02:18.667 that the buying and selling of fakes 00:02:18.667 --> 00:02:20.341 is not that big a deal. 00:02:20.341 --> 00:02:25.086 But I'm here to tell you that that is just not true. 00:02:25.086 --> 00:02:29.102 What the tourist on holiday doesn't see about those fake handbags 00:02:29.102 --> 00:02:31.503 is they may well have been stitched together 00:02:31.503 --> 00:02:34.989 by a child that was trafficked away from her family, 00:02:34.989 --> 00:02:37.410 and what the car repair shop owner doesn't realize 00:02:37.410 --> 00:02:39.427 about those fake brake pads 00:02:39.427 --> 00:02:41.666 is they may well be lining the products 00:02:41.666 --> 00:02:44.511 with an organized crime gang 00:02:44.511 --> 00:02:46.236 involved in drugs and prostitution. 00:02:46.236 --> 00:02:49.037 And while those two things are horrible to think about, 00:02:49.037 --> 00:02:51.438 it gets much worse, 00:02:51.438 --> 00:02:55.250 because counterfeiting is even funding terrorism. 00:02:55.250 --> 00:02:57.431 Let that sink in for a moment. 00:02:57.431 --> 00:03:00.420 Terrorists are selling fakes to fund attacks, 00:03:00.420 --> 00:03:02.336 attacks in our cities 00:03:02.336 --> 00:03:05.680 that try to make victims of all of us. 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.999 You wouldn't buy a live scorpion 00:03:07.999 --> 00:03:10.983 because there is chance that it would sting you on the way home, 00:03:10.983 --> 00:03:13.006 but would you still buy a fake handbag 00:03:13.006 --> 00:03:14.469 if you knew the profits 00:03:14.469 --> 00:03:16.545 would enable someone to buy bullets 00:03:16.545 --> 00:03:20.959 that would kill you and other innocent people six months later? 00:03:20.959 --> 00:03:22.656 Maybe not. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:22.656 --> 00:03:24.906 Okay, time to come clean. 00:03:24.906 --> 00:03:26.203 In my youth, yeah, 00:03:26.203 --> 00:03:28.965 I might look like I'm still clinging on to it a bit, 00:03:28.965 --> 00:03:32.737 I bought fake watches while on holiday in the Canary Islands. 00:03:32.737 --> 00:03:34.484 But why do I tell you this? 00:03:34.484 --> 00:03:36.769 Well, we've all done it, 00:03:36.769 --> 00:03:38.604 or we know someone that's done it, 00:03:38.604 --> 00:03:42.250 and until this very moment, maybe you didn't think twice about it, 00:03:42.250 --> 00:03:43.709 and nor did I, 00:03:43.709 --> 00:03:46.286 until I answered a 20-word cryptic advert 00:03:46.286 --> 00:03:50.356 to become an intellectual property investigator. 00:03:50.356 --> 00:03:53.421 It said, "full training given and some international travel." 00:03:53.421 --> 00:03:57.192 Within a week, I was creating my first of many aliases, 00:03:57.192 --> 00:04:00.255 and in the 10 years since, I've investigated fake car parts, 00:04:00.255 --> 00:04:03.085 ??. fake tech grooming tools, 00:04:03.085 --> 00:04:05.169 fake bicycle parts, 00:04:05.169 --> 00:04:07.063 and, of course, the counterfeiter's favorite, 00:04:07.063 --> 00:04:10.632 fake luxury leather goods, clothing and shoes. 00:04:11.250 --> 00:04:14.223 And what I've learned in the 10 years of investigating fakes 00:04:14.223 --> 00:04:16.201 is that once you start to scratch the surface, 00:04:16.201 --> 00:04:18.887 you find that they are rotten to the core, 00:04:18.887 --> 00:04:20.972 as are the people and organizations 00:04:20.972 --> 00:04:23.524 that are making money from them, 00:04:23.524 --> 00:04:27.769 because they are profiting on a massive, massive scale. 00:04:27.769 --> 00:04:30.271 You can only make around a hundred to 200 percent 00:04:30.271 --> 00:04:32.156 selling drugs on the street. 00:04:32.156 --> 00:04:35.877 You can make 2,000 percent selling fakes online 00:04:35.877 --> 00:04:38.098 with little of the same risks or penalties. 00:04:39.070 --> 00:04:41.469 And this quick, easy money then goes on to fund 00:04:41.469 --> 00:04:43.045 the more serious types of crime, 00:04:43.045 --> 00:04:45.698 and it pays the way to making these organizations, 00:04:45.698 --> 00:04:49.221 these criminal organizations, look more legitimate. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:49.221 --> 00:04:51.898 So let me bring you in on a live case. 00:04:51.898 --> 00:04:54.076 Earlier this year, a series of raids took place 00:04:54.076 --> 00:04:56.733 in one of my longest-running investigations. 00:04:56.733 --> 00:04:59.809 Five warehouses were raided in Turkey, 00:04:59.809 --> 00:05:03.645 and over two million finished counterfeit clothing products were seized, 00:05:03.645 --> 00:05:07.455 and it took 16 trucks to take that all away. 00:05:07.455 --> 00:05:08.871 But this gang had been clever. 00:05:08.871 --> 00:05:12.144 They had gone through the lengths of creating their own fashion brands 00:05:12.144 --> 00:05:14.059 complete with registered trademarks 00:05:14.059 --> 00:05:17.859 and even having photoshoots on yachts in Italy. 00:05:17.859 --> 00:05:21.459 And they would use these completely unheard-of 00:05:21.459 --> 00:05:24.660 and unsuspicious brand names as a way of shipping container loads 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:28.974 of fakes to shell companies that they'd set up across Europe. 00:05:28.974 --> 00:05:32.392 And documents found during those raids found that they'd been falsifying 00:05:32.392 --> 00:05:34.378 shipping documents 00:05:34.378 --> 00:05:37.308 so the customs officials would literally have no idea 00:05:37.308 --> 00:05:40.190 who had sent the products in the first place. 00:05:40.190 --> 00:05:42.570 When police got access to just one bank account, 00:05:42.570 --> 00:05:44.407 they found nearly three million euros 00:05:44.407 --> 00:05:47.811 had been laundered out of Spain in less than two years, 00:05:47.811 --> 00:05:49.989 and just two days after those raids, 00:05:49.989 --> 00:05:52.255 that gang were trying to bribe a law firm 00:05:52.255 --> 00:05:54.782 to get their stock back. 00:05:54.782 --> 00:05:58.122 Even now, we have no idea where all that money went, 00:05:58.122 --> 00:06:00.022 to who it went to, but you can bet 00:06:00.022 --> 00:06:04.193 it's never going to benefit the likes of you or me. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:04.193 --> 00:06:06.986 But these aren't just low-level street thugs. 00:06:06.986 --> 00:06:10.104 They're business professionals, and they fly first class. 00:06:10.104 --> 00:06:13.926 They trick legitimate businesses with convincing fake invoices 00:06:13.926 --> 00:06:14.855 and paperwork, 00:06:14.855 --> 00:06:16.756 so everything just seems real, 00:06:16.756 --> 00:06:20.099 and then they set up eBay and Amazon accounts 00:06:20.099 --> 00:06:23.525 just to compete with the people they've already sold fakes to. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:23.525 --> 00:06:26.117 But this isn't just happening online. 00:06:26.117 --> 00:06:28.146 For a few years, I also used to attend 00:06:28.146 --> 00:06:30.826 automotive trade shows 00:06:30.826 --> 00:06:33.563 taking place in huge exhibition spaces, 00:06:33.563 --> 00:06:36.548 but away from the Ferraris and the Bentleys and the flashing lights, 00:06:36.548 --> 00:06:38.499 there'd be companies selling fakes, 00:06:38.499 --> 00:06:41.345 companies with a brochure on the counter 00:06:41.345 --> 00:06:44.774 and another one underneath if you ask them the right questions. 00:06:44.774 --> 00:06:47.578 And they would sell me fake car parts, faulty fake car parts 00:06:47.578 --> 00:06:52.148 that have been estimated to cause over 36,000 fatalities, 00:06:52.148 --> 00:06:55.396 deaths on our roads each year. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:55.396 --> 00:07:01.308 Counterfeiting is set to become a 2.3 trillion dollar underground economy, 00:07:01.308 --> 00:07:04.110 and the damage that can be done with that kind of money, 00:07:04.110 --> 00:07:06.587 it's really frightening, 00:07:06.587 --> 00:07:10.205 because fakes fund terror. 00:07:10.205 --> 00:07:12.559 Fake trainers on the streets of Paris, 00:07:12.559 --> 00:07:14.524 fake cigarettes in West Africa, 00:07:14.524 --> 00:07:17.370 and pirate music CDs in the USA 00:07:17.370 --> 00:07:21.072 have all gone on to fund terrorist training camps, 00:07:21.072 --> 00:07:24.707 bought weapons and ammunition, or the ingredients for explosives. 00:07:24.707 --> 00:07:27.789 In June 2014, the French security services 00:07:27.789 --> 00:07:33.873 stopped monitoring the communications of Said and Cherif Kouachi, 00:07:33.873 --> 00:07:35.566 the two brothers who had been on a watchlist, 00:07:35.566 --> 00:07:37.784 a terror watchlist, for three years. 00:07:37.784 --> 00:07:40.824 But that summer, they were only picking up that Cherif was buying 00:07:40.824 --> 00:07:42.672 fake trainers from China, 00:07:42.672 --> 00:07:45.729 so it signaled a shift away from extremism 00:07:45.729 --> 00:07:49.677 into what was considered a low level, petty crime. 00:07:49.677 --> 00:07:52.241 The threat had gone away. 00:07:52.241 --> 00:07:54.653 Seven months later, the two brothers walked into the offices 00:07:54.653 --> 00:07:57.539 of Charlie Hebdo magazine and killed 12 people, 00:07:57.539 --> 00:07:59.449 wounded 11 more, 00:07:59.449 --> 00:08:03.048 with guns from the proceeds of those fakes. 00:08:03.048 --> 00:08:06.485 So whatever you think, this isn't a faraway problem happening in China. 00:08:06.485 --> 00:08:08.709 It's happening right here. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:08.709 --> 00:08:11.642 And Paris is not unique. 00:08:11.642 --> 00:08:16.013 Ten years earlier, in 2004, 191 people lost their lives 00:08:16.013 --> 00:08:18.578 when a Madrid commuter train was bombed. 00:08:18.578 --> 00:08:23.174 The attack had been partly funded by the sale of pirate music CDs in the US. 00:08:23.174 --> 00:08:25.936 Two years prior to that, an al Qaeda training manual 00:08:25.936 --> 00:08:27.721 recommended explicitly 00:08:27.721 --> 00:08:33.130 selling fakes as a good way of supporting terror cells. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:33.130 --> 00:08:37.941 But despite this, despite the evidence connecting terrorism and counterfeiting, 00:08:37.941 --> 00:08:40.573 we do go on buying them, increasing the demand 00:08:40.573 --> 00:08:42.360 to the point where there's even a store 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.824 in Turkey called "I Love Genuine Fakes." 00:08:46.824 --> 00:08:50.173 And you have tourists posing with photographs on TripAdvisor 00:08:50.173 --> 00:08:52.531 giving it five star reviews. 00:08:52.531 --> 00:08:55.385 But would those same tourists have gone into a store called 00:08:55.385 --> 00:08:58.096 "I Love Genuine Fake Viagra Pills" 00:08:58.096 --> 00:09:01.196 or "I Genuinely Love Funding Terrorism"? 00:09:01.576 --> 00:09:03.021 I doubt it. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:03.803 --> 00:09:05.287 Many of us think 00:09:05.287 --> 00:09:08.846 that we're completely helpless against organized crime and terrorism, 00:09:08.846 --> 00:09:11.574 that we can do nothing about the next attack, 00:09:11.574 --> 00:09:14.009 but I believe you can. 00:09:14.009 --> 00:09:17.498 You can by becoming investigators too. 00:09:17.498 --> 00:09:20.998 The way we cripple these networks is to cut their funding, 00:09:20.998 --> 00:09:23.351 and that means cutting the demand and changing this idea 00:09:23.351 --> 00:09:25.444 that it's a victimless crime. 00:09:25.444 --> 00:09:27.877 Let's all identify counterfeiters 00:09:27.877 --> 00:09:29.911 and don't give them our money. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:29.911 --> 00:09:32.619 So here's a few tips from one investigator to another 00:09:32.619 --> 00:09:34.467 to get you started. 00:09:34.467 --> 00:09:35.934 Number one: 00:09:35.934 --> 00:09:39.486 here's a typical online counterfeiter's website. 00:09:39.486 --> 00:09:41.154 Note the URL. 00:09:41.154 --> 00:09:44.138 If you're shopping for sunglasses or camera lenses, say, 00:09:44.138 --> 00:09:47.653 and you come across a website like medical-insurance-bankruptcy.com, 00:09:47.653 --> 00:09:49.076 start to get very suspicious. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:49.076 --> 00:09:50.812 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:09:50.812 --> 00:09:54.144 But counterfeiters register expired domain names as a way 00:09:54.144 --> 00:09:57.648 of keeping up the old website's Google page ranking. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:57.648 --> 00:10:00.173 Number two: is the website screaming at you that everything 00:10:00.173 --> 00:10:01.665 is 100 percent genuine, 00:10:01.665 --> 00:10:06.241 but still giving you 75 percent off the latest collection? 00:10:06.241 --> 00:10:08.347 Look for words like "master copy," 00:10:08.347 --> 00:10:10.676 "overruns," "straight from the factory." 00:10:10.676 --> 00:10:14.933 They could write this all in comic sans, it's that much of a joke. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:14.933 --> 00:10:18.908 Number three: if you get as far as the checkout page, 00:10:18.908 --> 00:10:23.800 and you don't see "https" or a padlock symbol next to the URL, 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:27.728 you should really start thinking about closing the tab, 00:10:27.728 --> 00:10:28.943 because these indicate active security measures 00:10:28.943 --> 00:10:32.697 that will keep your personal and credit card information safe. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:32.697 --> 00:10:34.887 Okay, last one: 00:10:34.887 --> 00:10:37.114 go hunting for the "Contact Us" page. 00:10:37.114 --> 00:10:39.887 If you can only find a generic webform, 00:10:39.887 --> 00:10:43.637 no company name, telephone number, email address, postal address, 00:10:43.637 --> 00:10:45.928 that's it, case closed. 00:10:45.928 --> 00:10:48.175 You found a counterfeiter. 00:10:48.175 --> 00:10:50.131 Sadly, you're going to have to go back to Google 00:10:50.131 --> 00:10:51.779 and start your shopping search all over again, 00:10:51.779 --> 00:10:56.328 but you didn't get ripped off, so that's only a good thing. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:56.328 --> 00:11:00.372 As the world's most famous fictional detective would say, 00:11:00.372 --> 00:11:03.250 "Watson, the game is afoot." 00:11:03.250 --> 00:11:05.460 Only this time, my investigator friends, 00:11:05.460 --> 00:11:08.148 the game is painfully real. 00:11:08.148 --> 00:11:10.367 So the next time you're shopping online, 00:11:10.367 --> 00:11:12.109 or perhaps wherever it is, 00:11:12.109 --> 00:11:15.682 look closer, question a little bit deeper, 00:11:15.682 --> 00:11:18.085 and ask yourself, before you hand over the cash 00:11:18.085 --> 00:11:19.418 or click "Buy," 00:11:19.418 --> 00:11:21.423 am I sure this is real? 00:11:21.423 --> 00:11:24.682 Tell your friend that used to buy counterfeit watches 00:11:24.682 --> 00:11:28.629 that you may just have brought the next attack one day closer. 00:11:28.629 --> 00:11:30.834 And, if you see an Instagram advert for fakes, 00:11:30.834 --> 00:11:32.470 don't keep scrolling past, 00:11:32.470 --> 00:11:35.614 report it to the platform as a scam. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:35.614 --> 00:11:38.699 Let's shine a light on the dark forces of counterfeiting 00:11:38.699 --> 00:11:40.739 that are hiding in plain sight. 00:11:40.739 --> 00:11:42.323 So please, spread the word 00:11:42.323 --> 00:11:44.425 and don't stop investigating. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:44.425 --> 00:11:46.185 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:46.185 --> 00:11:49.834 (Applause)