WEBVTT 00:00:03.780 --> 00:00:05.683 (Half bell) 00:00:09.035 --> 00:00:26.601 (Bell sound) 00:00:30.311 --> 00:00:36.569 (FRENCH) When the mind leaves the body, where does it go? 00:00:38.835 --> 00:00:44.272 (ENGLISH) When the mind, the spirit leaves the body, where does it go? 00:00:46.429 --> 00:00:50.561 (FRENCH) When the mind leaves the body, where does it go? 00:01:02.193 --> 00:01:07.151 Many people imagine the body is like a house. 00:01:09.881 --> 00:01:16.294 And the spirit, the mind is like someone who is in the house. 00:01:17.209 --> 00:01:22.717 And the person can go in the house and go out of the house. 00:01:26.072 --> 00:01:28.370 Even many adults believe that. 00:01:33.965 --> 00:01:37.778 They believe we can take the mind out of the body, 00:01:40.037 --> 00:01:42.705 and the body out of the mind. 00:01:44.150 --> 00:01:52.422 They believe that body and mind are two things that...are their own, 00:01:56.674 --> 00:02:00.295 that body and mind are two separate entities. 00:02:01.512 --> 00:02:03.672 But that is not the truth. 00:02:06.374 --> 00:02:15.269 Not only the Buddha, but also many wise people, including scientists, have found that to be wrong. 00:02:16.243 --> 00:02:19.188 Body and mind are not two separate things. 00:02:23.318 --> 00:02:28.826 If there is no body, there is no mind. If there is no mind, there is no body. 00:02:30.361 --> 00:02:33.768 It's like this sheet of paper. 00:02:36.154 --> 00:02:42.319 We can say that this is the left side. 00:02:44.858 --> 00:02:46.608 And this is the right side. 00:02:50.101 --> 00:02:51.455 And... 00:02:53.803 --> 00:03:02.560 the right and the left, they rely on each other in order to be there. 00:03:03.438 --> 00:03:07.827 If the left is not there, the right cannot be there either. 00:03:10.591 --> 00:03:15.810 You cannot take the left out of the right. 00:03:16.453 --> 00:03:21.514 You cannot say: "Dear friend, come and take the right and go to Bordeaux." 00:03:21.886 --> 00:03:26.495 "And dear friend, please come and take the left to Paris." 00:03:26.495 --> 00:03:28.241 It's not possible. 00:03:29.465 --> 00:03:35.131 So taking the body out of the mind and the mind out of the body is impossible. 00:03:39.527 --> 00:03:43.496 In Buddhism that is called 'interbeing'. 00:03:44.176 --> 00:03:45.475 'Interbeing.' 00:03:45.645 --> 00:03:47.680 We want to be together. 00:03:48.706 --> 00:03:55.705 You cannot be by yourself alone, you have to 'inter-be' with others. 00:04:00.712 --> 00:04:10.237 So in our dream we might see that we get out of our body and we fly. 00:04:10.806 --> 00:04:14.631 And we look back and we can see our body still sleeping. 00:04:14.635 --> 00:04:19.170 But only in dreams you invent this in your mind. 00:04:19.364 --> 00:04:20.917 In fact... 00:04:23.426 --> 00:04:29.742 the mind cannot get out of the body and go somewhere else, 00:04:33.247 --> 00:04:45.352 because the mind is not a separate...entity. 00:04:51.583 --> 00:05:00.245 That is why when something happens in the body, the mind is influenced by it. 00:05:02.097 --> 00:05:09.377 And when something happens in the mind, the body gets it too. 00:05:19.656 --> 00:05:23.070 That is why modern medicine knows that 00:05:23.070 --> 00:05:27.568 in order to take care of the mind, you have to take care of the body 00:05:27.579 --> 00:05:31.490 and in order to take care of the body you have to take care of the mind. 00:05:37.345 --> 00:05:40.447 This is a very difficult question. 00:05:41.772 --> 00:05:45.168 We have to learn a lot in order to understand it. 00:05:56.430 --> 00:06:04.379 When I was sixteen, I had to begin learning this already. 00:06:09.523 --> 00:06:19.875 Everything we see: our body, a house, a tree, the stars, the moon, 00:06:20.774 --> 00:06:25.716 everything you see is the object of your mind. 00:06:28.466 --> 00:06:30.159 That is difficult! 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.196 How could a sixteen year old boy understand? 00:06:35.077 --> 00:06:38.687 But he had to learn, to begin to learn it. 00:06:41.836 --> 00:06:49.596 This house, that mountain, that river, that star, is not separated from our mind. 00:06:49.596 --> 00:06:51.703 It is the object of our mind. 00:06:51.703 --> 00:06:54.702 That is the only thing we can be sure of. 00:06:56.980 --> 00:06:59.381 Everything depends on our mind. 00:07:00.003 --> 00:07:01.596 And... 00:07:01.596 --> 00:07:05.639 you may think this book is not our mind. 00:07:10.924 --> 00:07:16.576 But it is part of our mind. It is the object of our mind. 00:07:20.876 --> 00:07:27.219 So for the time being I think that the thing we can learn is 00:07:27.219 --> 00:07:31.362 that body and mind are not two separate things 00:07:32.368 --> 00:07:36.093 They are linked to each other, without one the other cannot be, 00:07:36.606 --> 00:07:42.126 like the left and the right, and like the above and the below. 00:08:07.998 --> 00:08:24.445 Tomorrow, we may talk about what happens...when the body disintegrates, 00:08:28.311 --> 00:08:30.923 when the body does not function anymore. 00:08:33.819 --> 00:08:42.295 The body becomes a lifeless...object. 00:08:44.368 --> 00:08:47.272 And the question is: where is the mind then? 00:08:48.479 --> 00:08:50.368 Where has it gone? 00:08:51.052 --> 00:08:53.390 This is a very interesting question. 00:08:54.936 --> 00:08:57.487 We don't have to get the answer right away. 00:08:58.493 --> 00:09:04.760 It's interesting to leave the question like that and to begin to look and look. 00:09:05.551 --> 00:09:08.013 It's a very interesting subject. 00:09:09.068 --> 00:09:12.973 Don't be too eager to find the answer right away. 00:09:13.989 --> 00:09:19.621 because in the process of learning we discover many interesting things 00:09:19.621 --> 00:09:22.982 about the relationship between body and mind. 00:09:24.238 --> 00:09:27.756 Can the body die? Can the mind die? 00:09:28.257 --> 00:09:32.742 Is it possible for someone to become nothing? 00:09:33.463 --> 00:09:35.387 (Half bell) 00:09:38.275 --> 00:09:46.142 (Bell sound)