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(FRENCH)[br]When the mind leaves the body,[br]where does it go?

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(ENGLISH)[br]When the mind, the spirit[br]leaves the body, where does it go?

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(FRENCH)[br]When the mind leaves the body,[br]where does it go?

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Many people imagine the body[br]is like a house.

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And the spirit, the mind is like someone[br]who is in the house.

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And the person can go in the house[br]and go out of the house.

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Even many adults believe that.

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They believe we can take[br]the mind out of the body,

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and the body out of the mind.

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They believe that body and mind[br]are two things that...are their own,

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that body and mind are[br]two separate entities.

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But that is not the truth.

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Not only the Buddha, but also many wise people,[br]including scientists, have found that to be wrong.

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Body and mind are not[br]two separate things.

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If there is no body, there is no mind.[br]If there is no mind, there is no body.

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It's like this sheet of paper.

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We can say that[br]this is the left side.

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And this is the right side.

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And...

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the right and the left, they[br]rely on each other in order to be there.

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If the left is not there,[br]the right cannot be there either.

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You cannot take the left out of the right.

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You cannot say: "Dear friend,[br]come and take the right and go to Bordeaux."

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"And dear friend, please come[br]and take the left to Paris."

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It's not possible.

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So taking the body out of the mind[br]and the mind out of the body is impossible.

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In Buddhism that is called 'interbeing'.

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'Interbeing.'

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We want to be together.

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You cannot be by yourself alone,[br]you have to 'inter-be' with others.

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So in our dream we might see that we[br]get out of our body and we fly.

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And we look back and[br]we can see our body still sleeping.

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But only in dreams you[br]invent this in your mind.

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In fact...

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the mind cannot get out of the body[br]and go somewhere else,

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because the mind is not[br]a separate...entity.

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That is why when something happens[br]in the body, the mind is influenced by it.

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And when something happens in the mind,[br]the body gets it too.

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That is why modern medicine knows that

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in order to take care of the mind,[br]you have to take care of the body

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and in order to take care of the body[br]you have to take care of the mind.

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This is a very difficult question.

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We have to learn a lot[br]in order to understand it.

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When I was sixteen, I had to[br]begin learning this already.

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Everything we see: our body,[br]a house, a tree, the stars, the moon,

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everything you see[br]is the object of your mind.

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That is difficult!

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How could[br]a sixteen year old boy understand?

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But he had to learn,[br]to begin to learn it.

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This house, that mountain, that river,[br]that star, is not separated from our mind.

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It is the object of our mind.

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That is the only thing we can be sure of.

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Everything depends on our mind.

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And...

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you may think this book is not our mind.

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But it is part of our mind.[br]It is the object of our mind.

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So for the time being I think that[br]the thing we can learn is

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that body and mind are not[br]two separate things

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They are linked to each other,[br]without one the other cannot be,

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like the left and the right,[br]and like the above and the below.

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Tomorrow, we may talk about[br]what happens...when the body disintegrates,

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when the body does not function anymore.

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The body becomes a lifeless...object.

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And the question is:[br]where is the mind then?

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Where has it gone?

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This is a very interesting question.

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We don't have to get the answer[br]right away.

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It's interesting to leave the question[br]like that and to begin to look and look.

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It's a very interesting subject.

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Don't be too eager to find[br]the answer right away.

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because in the process of learning[br]we discover many interesting things

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about the relationship[br]between body and mind.

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Can the body die? Can the mind die?

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Is it possible for someone[br]to become nothing?

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