WEBVTT 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:12.560 [Thomas Hirschhorn : "Gramsci Monument"] 00:00:17.620 --> 00:00:21.440 [Forest Houses, Bronx, New-York] 00:00:22.980 --> 00:00:25.620 ["Gramsci Monument" (2013)] 00:00:26.340 --> 00:00:29.840 [Ouverture du "Monument Gramsci"] 00:00:35.580 --> 00:00:37.420 [HARRY DRAKE] Ok, désolé de vous interrompre. 00:00:37.430 --> 00:00:41.530 C'est l'homme d'une heure. 00:00:41.530 --> 00:00:45.620 C'est l'homme, en dehors d'Erik, qui nous a tout ramené. 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.220 [YASMIL RAYMOND] Thomas pense que "plus c'est plus." 00:00:49.230 --> 00:00:54.649 Vous savez, c'est un jeu de mots sur Miles van der Rohe, qui disait, "moins est plus." 00:00:54.649 --> 00:00:59.059 Et dans cette "plus est plus" philosophie de Thomas Hirschhorn, 00:00:59.059 --> 00:01:03.499 cela signifie qu'une énorme quantité d'activités, tout le temps, 00:01:03.499 --> 00:01:05.840 rend parfois confus ce qui se passe. 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:10.240 [HARRY DRAKE] Ce que tu fais pour cette communauté et tout ceci... 00:01:10.240 --> 00:01:11.970 [HIRSCHHORN], Non je ne le fais pas... 00:01:11.970 --> 00:01:14.330 Je ne fais pas quelque chose pour la communauté. 00:01:14.330 --> 00:01:16.470 Je fais quelque chose, j'espère, pour l'art... 00:01:16.470 --> 00:01:17.440 [HARRY DRAKE] Ok. 00:01:17.440 --> 00:01:20.120 Et la compréhension de l'art. C'est mon... 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:21.570 C'est mon but. 00:01:22.540 --> 00:01:24.100 [LEX BROWN] Quelque chose que Thomas dit toujours est que 00:01:24.110 --> 00:01:26.370 il n'est pas venu ici pour, aider les gens -- 00:01:26.370 --> 00:01:30.890 il est venu ici à Forest House and a demandé aux gens qui habitaient ici 00:01:30.890 --> 00:01:33.750 de les aider à faire des ouvrages. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:39.520 Et c'est une très grosse différence. 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:42.520 Il y a une différence importante entre ces deux choses, 00:01:46.260 --> 00:01:52.420 00:01:52.430 --> 00:01:54.340 00:01:54.340 --> 00:02:00.100 00:02:00.100 --> 00:02:05.170 00:02:05.170 --> 00:02:07.190 00:02:11.420 --> 00:02:14.620 00:02:14.620 --> 00:02:16.260 00:02:16.260 --> 00:02:19.610 00:02:19.610 --> 00:02:21.920 00:02:21.920 --> 00:02:27.080 00:02:36.660 --> 00:02:37.900 00:02:37.900 --> 00:02:38.820 00:02:38.820 --> 00:02:39.700 00:02:39.700 --> 00:02:40.429 00:02:40.429 --> 00:02:41.029 00:02:41.720 --> 00:02:42.720 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:44.230 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:45.640 00:02:45.640 --> 00:02:46.500 00:02:46.500 --> 00:02:47.850 00:02:47.850 --> 00:02:49.560 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:50.209 00:02:50.209 --> 00:02:52.069 00:02:52.069 --> 00:02:53.020 00:02:54.920 --> 00:02:58.240 00:02:58.240 --> 00:02:59.300 00:02:59.300 --> 00:03:00.580 00:03:00.580 --> 00:03:02.760 00:03:02.760 --> 00:03:04.720 00:03:04.720 --> 00:03:06.100 00:03:06.100 --> 00:03:07.480 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.200 00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:18.040 00:03:18.050 --> 00:03:21.120 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.080 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:26.840 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:28.780 00:03:28.780 --> 00:03:31.020 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.140 00:03:33.140 --> 00:03:35.300 00:03:35.300 --> 00:03:38.170 00:03:38.170 --> 00:03:40.720 00:03:40.720 --> 00:03:44.940 00:03:44.940 --> 00:03:46.700 00:03:46.700 --> 00:03:49.840 00:03:53.200 --> 00:03:56.980 00:03:56.980 --> 00:03:59.450 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:01.380 00:04:01.380 --> 00:04:03.740 00:04:03.750 --> 00:04:06.590 00:04:07.820 --> 00:04:08.960 00:04:09.820 --> 00:04:11.920 00:04:11.920 --> 00:04:14.209 00:04:14.209 --> 00:04:16.449 00:04:16.449 --> 00:04:18.060 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:20.160 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:21.940 00:04:21.940 --> 00:04:23.600 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:24.320 00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:25.500 00:04:25.500 --> 00:04:27.900 00:04:27.900 --> 00:04:30.270 00:04:30.270 --> 00:04:32.380 00:04:32.380 --> 00:04:34.490 00:04:34.490 --> 00:04:36.110 00:04:37.840 --> 00:04:39.919 00:04:39.919 --> 00:04:41.219 00:04:51.400 --> 00:04:56.680 00:04:56.690 --> 00:04:59.910 00:04:59.910 --> 00:05:05.250 00:05:05.250 --> 00:05:07.340 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:11.080 00:05:11.090 --> 00:05:14.270 00:05:14.270 --> 00:05:15.669 00:05:15.669 --> 00:05:18.900 00:05:20.200 --> 00:05:22.420 00:05:22.420 --> 00:05:25.080 00:05:25.860 --> 00:05:27.260 00:05:27.260 --> 00:05:29.320 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:36.960 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.620 00:05:46.620 --> 00:05:50.490 00:05:50.490 --> 00:05:53.630 00:05:53.630 --> 00:05:56.419 00:05:56.419 --> 00:05:58.290 00:05:58.290 --> 00:06:01.540 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:03.840 00:06:03.840 --> 00:06:06.800 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:08.000 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.620 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:13.430 00:06:13.430 --> 00:06:18.020 00:06:19.140 --> 00:06:20.160 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.540 00:06:22.540 --> 00:06:27.200 00:06:27.210 --> 00:06:33.479 00:06:33.479 --> 00:06:39.290 00:06:39.290 --> 00:06:43.270 00:06:44.300 --> 00:06:46.340 00:06:46.350 --> 00:06:50.150