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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.44,0:00:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Thomas Hirschhorn: "Gramsci Monument"]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.62,0:00:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Forest Houses, Bronx, New York]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.98,0:00:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Gramsci Monument" (2013)]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.34,0:00:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Opening of the "Gramsci Monument"]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.87,0:00:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[July 1st - 10 am - 7 pm]\N
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.62,0:00:37.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Harry Drake: Alright, sorry to interrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.76,0:00:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the man of the hour.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.37,0:00:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the man, besides Erik,\Nthat brought everything to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.60,0:00:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yasmil Raymond: Thomas believes\Nthat "more is more."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.35,0:00:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's a pun on Mies van der Rohe,\Nwho said, "less is more."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.82,0:00:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in this "more and more" philosoph\Nof Thomas Hirschhorn,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.06,0:01:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means an enormous amount\Nof activities all the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.50,0:01:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost confusing what is happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.20,0:01:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Harry Drake: What you are doing\Nfor this community and everything...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.51,0:01:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thomas Hirschhorn: No I don't...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.28,0:01:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't do something for the community.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.33,0:01:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do something, I hope, for art...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.47,0:01:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HD: Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.64,0:01:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TH: And the understanding of art.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.97,0:01:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My goal is this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.54,0:01:24.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lex Brown: Something Thomas always says
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.59,0:01:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that did not come here\Nto, like, help people,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.97,0:01:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he came here to Forest Houses\Nand asked people who lived here
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.89,0:01:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help him make the artwork.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.00,0:01:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a really big difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.03,0:01:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a huge difference\Nbetween those two things.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.26,0:01:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freddy Velez: Thomas asked me to translate\Nthe Gramsci prison notes to Spanish.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.31,0:01:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a great opportunity for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.55,0:02:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I just put retirement to the side\Nand just began working with his art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.49,0:02:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here I am today, two months later,\Nenjoying myself every day
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.17,0:02:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I feel a lot better.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.42,0:02:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Janet Bethea: I was more stronger\Nthan half of the men over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.62,0:02:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I built those buildings.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.26,0:02:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did the dollies underneath there, \Non the floor.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.61,0:02:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did all that with the guys.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.16,0:02:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Except for the roof.\NI'm scared of heights.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.54,0:02:38.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stanley Scott: My name is "Stan the Man".
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.51,0:02:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Stan the Man?\N- Stan the Man.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.02,0:02:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, I saw your sign.\N- Yes, indeed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.95,0:02:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And I work for love.\N- We know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.24,0:02:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SS: It's not about the bills.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.50,0:02:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not about the money.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.85,0:02:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything I make, I make from my heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.21,0:02:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, once your love is in it
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.19,0:02:54.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the money's going to come.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.92,0:02:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I joined the monument,\Nbecause it's like art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.24,0:03:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Food is like art. You know, cooking.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.68,0:03:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Making something out of nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.76,0:03:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, making those dishes look good.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.72,0:03:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, oh, that shit's pretty.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.10,0:03:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see if it tastes pretty.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.40,0:03:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When people ask you:\N"What is this project?" what do you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.46,0:03:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dannion Jordan: Well I walk them over\Nto the brochures...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.17,0:03:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Janet Bethea:\NIt's a monument of something.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.84,0:03:24.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freddy Velez: A positive place\Nfor art and study.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.90,0:03:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dannion Jordan: You know, \Nthey had a smoothie bar.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.30,0:03:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Janet Bethea: They can go in the library,\Nread books.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.84,0:03:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dannion Jordan: A WiFi station up here...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.93,0:03:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erik Farmer: A monument \Nusually is something
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.08,0:03:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is stable, it doesn’t move.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.77,0:03:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a temporary monument\N— something I never heard of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.47,0:03:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Thomas explained to me, \Nyou know, what he wanted to do
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.41,0:03:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how he wanted to integrate\Nthe residents into the monument,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.94,0:03:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in giving them jobs
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.70,0:03:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wanting to teach the kids about art.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.20,0:03:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dannion Jordan: He doesn't want anything\Nto interfere with his monument,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.98,0:04:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's rain, Dia, Nycha...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.39,0:04:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he doesn't want anything\Nto interfere with his project.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.28,0:04:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're not interfering with his project\Neverything is good.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.82,0:04:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens when you interfere?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.17,0:04:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DJ: Yeah, he just...you know,\Nhe gets crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.28,0:04:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He starts screaming,\Nuses his fingers and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.81,0:04:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TH: Sunday... Sunday even...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.36,0:04:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yasmil Raymond: \NYes, but I'm here Saturday and Sunday...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.85,0:04:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TH: I am the artist!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.94,0:04:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man: I look and see there's no one \Nsitting in there first...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.38,0:04:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HD: He'll be like, "No."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.82,0:04:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marcella Paradise: And if you can't stay\Nto three o’clock or four
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.61,0:04:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— which we stay till four all the time —
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.81,0:04:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get put out the class.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.38,0:04:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TH: Okay? We are not observers,\Nthere is no observer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.84,0:04:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Harry Drake. Thomas is not white. \NHe's not European.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.54,0:04:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's black.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.40,0:04:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marcus Green: I was very inspired \Nby Thomas's poster.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.69,0:05:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the poster it says, \N"All humans are intellectuals."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.09,0:05:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the quote that I want to begin with\N— which is quote number one —
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.25,0:05:07.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is taken from that notion.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.22,0:05:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lex Brown: Gramsci's idea \Nthat every person is an intellectual
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.40,0:05:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an incredibly important idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.27,0:05:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a huge part of the project
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.07,0:05:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is touched upon\Nin every part of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.20,0:05:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adam Guessongo: My name is Adam.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.56,0:05:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do graffiti, I draw,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.86,0:05:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I make sculpture.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.59,0:05:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or like, this, I'm not done with it yet...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.10,0:05:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not done with this, but I was trying\Nto make a character from a game.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.72,0:05:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dannion Jordan: \NYou're learning, you're teaching,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.62,0:05:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's more like people just...\Nyou know, you got Thomas here.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.49,0:05:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more about people gathering \Njust still getting to learn one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.06,0:05:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I don't really know\Nall these guys that I work with,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.94,0:05:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just know them through other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.18,0:06:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You all get to know each other, \Nyou learn from each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.02,0:06:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, you know, that's basically it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.04,0:06:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Destruction is difficult;\Nit is as difficult as creation]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.80,0:06:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erik Farmer: This is history right here
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.69,0:06:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's never been done.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.68,0:06:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when someone speaks about it\N— someone may try to do it —
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.95,0:06:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, at the end of the day, \Nit was done at Forest Houses first.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.14,0:06:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Big. Huge.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.37,0:06:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Quality should be attributed\Nto human beings, not to things.]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.30,0:06:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lex Brown: People have to come here,\Nto the monument, to see the monument.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.21,0:06:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This project is site-specific\Nin the most true sense of that phrase.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.86,0:06:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's as important that this monument\Nwill be here for two and a half months
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.29,0:06:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it is that it will not be here\Nafter two and a half months.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.30,0:06:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's an urgency to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.35,0:06:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And without that urgency,\Nit would not be the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.74,0:07:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Transcript by\NReview by Margarida Ferreira