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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.44,0:00:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Thomas Hirschhorn: "Gramsci Monument"]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.62,0:00:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Forest Houses, Bronx, New York]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.98,0:00:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,["Gramsci Monument" (2013)]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.34,0:00:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Opening of the "Gramsci Monument"]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.58,0:00:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HARRY DRAKE] Alright, sorry to interrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.43,0:00:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the man of the hour.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.53,0:00:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the man, besides Erik, that brought\Neverything to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.60,0:00:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[YASMIL RAYMOND] Thomas believes that "more\Nis more."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.23,0:00:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's a pun on Mies van der Rohe,\Nwho said, "less is more."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.65,0:00:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in this "more and more" philosophy of\NThomas Hirschhorn,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.06,0:01:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means an enormous amount of activities\Nall the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.50,0:01:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost confusing what is happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.20,0:01:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HARRY DRAKE] What you are doing for this\Ncommunity and everything...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.24,0:01:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HIRSCHHORN] No I don't...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.97,0:01:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't do something for the community.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.33,0:01:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do something, I hope, for art...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.47,0:01:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HARRY DRAKE] Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.44,0:01:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HIRSCHHORN] And the understanding of art.\NThat is my...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.12,0:01:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My goal is this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.54,0:01:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LEX BROWN] Something Thomas always says is\Nthat
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.11,0:01:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he did not come here to, like, help people--
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.37,0:01:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he came here to Forest Houses and asked people\Nwho lived here
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.89,0:01:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help him make the artwork.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.00,0:01:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a really big difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.52,0:01:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a huge difference between those two\Nthings.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.26,0:01:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[FREDDY VELEZ] Thomas asked me to translate\Nthe Gramsci prison notes to Spanish.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.43,0:01:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a great opportunity for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.34,0:02:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I just put retirement to the side and\Njust began working with his art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.10,0:02:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here I am today, two months later, enjoying\Nmyself every day--
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.17,0:02:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I feel a lot better.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.42,0:02:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[JANET BETHEA] I was more stronger than half\Nof the men over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.62,0:02:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I built them buildings.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.26,0:02:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did the dollies underneath there, on the\Nfloor.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.61,0:02:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did all that with the guys.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.92,0:02:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Except for the roof. I'm scared of heights.\N[LAUGHS]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.66,0:02:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STANLEY SCOTT] My name is "Stan the Man".
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.90,0:02:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[WOMAN] "Stan the Man"?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.82,0:02:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STANLEY SCOTT] "Stan the Man".
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.70,0:02:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[WOMAN] Oh, I saw your sign.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.43,0:02:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STANLEY SCOTT] Yes indeed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.72,0:02:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I work for love.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.50,0:02:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[WOMAN] We know!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.24,0:02:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[STANLEY SCOTT] It's not about the bills.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.64,0:02:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't deal with the...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.50,0:02:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not about the money.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.85,0:02:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything I make, I make from my heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.56,0:02:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I ain't...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.21,0:02:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, once your love is in it
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.07,0:02:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the money's going to come.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.92,0:02:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I joined the monument, because\Nit's like art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.24,0:02:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Food is like art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.30,0:03:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, cooking.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.58,0:03:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Making something out of nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.76,0:03:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, making those dishes look good.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.72,0:03:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, oh, that shit's pretty.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.10,0:03:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see if it tastes pretty.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.40,0:03:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[INTERVIEWER, OFF SCREEN] When people ask\Nyou "What is this project?" what do you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.20,0:03:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DANNION JORDAN] Well I walk them over to\Nthe brochures...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.05,0:03:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[JANET BETHEA] It's a monument of something...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.12,0:03:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[FREDDY VELEZ] A positive place for art and\Nstudy.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.08,0:03:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DANNION JORDAN] You know, they had a smoothie\Nbar...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.84,0:03:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[JANET BETHEA] They can go in the library,\Nread books.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.78,0:03:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DANNION JORDAN] ...a WiFi station up here...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.28,0:03:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ERIK FARMER] You know, a monument usually\Nis something that,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.14,0:03:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, is stable. It doesn’t move.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.30,0:03:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a temporary monument--something I\Nnever heard of--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.17,0:03:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Thomas explained to me, you know, what\Nhe wanted to do
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.72,0:03:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how he wanted to integrate the residents\Ninto the monument,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.94,0:03:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in giving them jobs
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.70,0:03:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wanting to teach the kids about art.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.20,0:03:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DANNION JORDAN] He doesn't want anything\Nto interfere with his monument,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.98,0:03:59.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's rain, Dia:,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.76,0:04:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NYCHA...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.38,0:04:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he doesn't want anything to interfere with\Nhis project.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.75,0:04:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're not interfering with his project,\Neverything is good.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.82,0:04:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[INTERVIEWER, OFF SCREEN] What happens when\Nyou interfere?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.82,0:04:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DANNION JORDAN] [LAUGHS]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.92,0:04:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, he just...you know, he gets crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.21,0:04:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He starts screaming--uses his fingers and\Neverything...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.45,0:04:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HIRSCHHORN] Sunday... Sunday even...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.06,0:04:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[YASMIL RAYMOND] Yes, but I'm here Saturday\Nand Sunday, all...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.16,0:04:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HIRSCHHORN] I am the artist!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.94,0:04:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MAN] I look and see there's no one sitting\Nin there first...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.60,0:04:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HIRSCHHORN] I am the artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.32,0:04:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HARRY DRAKE] He'll be like, "No."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.50,0:04:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MARCELLA PARADISE] And if you can't stay\Nto three o’clock or four--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.90,0:04:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we stay till four all the time--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.27,0:04:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get put out the class.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.38,0:04:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HIRSCHHORN] Okay? We are not observant.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.49,0:04:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no observer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.84,0:04:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[HARRY DRAKE] Thomas is not white. He's not\NEuropean.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.92,0:04:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's black.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.40,0:04:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MARCUS GREEN] I was very inspired by Thomas's\Nposter.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.69,0:04:59.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the poster it says, "All humans are\Nintellectuals."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.91,0:05:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, the quote that I want to begin with--which\Nis quote number one--
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.25,0:05:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is taken from that notion.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.22,0:05:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LEX BROWN] Gramsci's idea that every person\Nis an intellectual
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.09,0:05:14.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an incredibly important idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.27,0:05:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a huge part of the project
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.67,0:05:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is touched upon in every part of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.20,0:05:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ADAM GUESSONGO] My name is Adam.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.42,0:05:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do graffiti, I draw,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.86,0:05:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I make sculpture.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.26,0:05:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or like, this--I'm not done with it yet...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.10,0:05:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not done with this, but I was trying to\Nmake a character from a game.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.72,0:05:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[DANNION JORDAN] You're learning--you're teaching--
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.62,0:05:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's more like people just...you know,\Nyou got Thomas here.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.49,0:05:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more about people gathering just still\Ngetting to learn one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.63,0:05:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I don't really know all these guys\Nthat I work with,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.42,0:05:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just know them through other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.29,0:06:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You all get to know each other, you learn\Nfrom each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.54,0:06:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, you know, that's basically it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.84,0:06:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Destruction is difficult; it is as difficult\Nas creation. (Antonio Gramsci Prison Notebook 6)]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.80,0:06:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ERIK FARMER] This is history right here.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.00,0:06:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's history just because it's never been\Ndone.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.62,0:06:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when someone speaks about it--someone may\Ntry to do it--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.43,0:06:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, at the end of the day, it was done at\NForest Houses first.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.14,0:06:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Big. Huge.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.16,0:06:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Quality should be attributed to human beings, not to things. (Antonio Gramsci Prison Notebook 1)]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.54,0:06:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LEX BROWN] People have to come here, to the\Nmonument, to see the monument.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.21,0:06:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This project is site-specific in the most\Ntrue sense of that phrase.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.48,0:06:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's as important that this monument will\Nbe here for two and a half months
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.29,0:06:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it is that it will not be here after two\Nand a half months.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.30,0:06:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's an urgency to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.35,0:06:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And without that urgency, it would not be\Nthe same thing.