Mark Meadows: Mr President everybody is on the line
and just so, this is Mark Meadows the Chief of Staff
just so we all are aware
on the line is secretary of state and two other individuals,
Jordan and Mr. Germany with him.
You also have the attorneys that represent the President,
Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell who is not the attorney of record
but has been involved, myself and then the President.
So Mr. President, I'll turn it over to you
Donald Trump: Okay thank you very much.
Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody: we appreciate the time and the call.
So we've spent a lot of time on this and
if we could just go over some of the numbers
i think it's pretty clear that we won, we won very substantially Georgia,
you even see it by rally size, frankly.
We'd be getting 25, 30,000 people a rally
and the competition would get less than 100 people.
and it never made sense, but we have a number of things,
we have at least two or three
anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots
were dropped mysteriously into the rolls.
Much of that had to do with Fulton County which hasn't been checked
we think that if you check the signatures a real check of the signatures
going back in Fulton County, you'll find at least
a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures
of people with -- that who have who have been forged
and we are quite sure that's going to happen.
Another tremendous number --
we're going to have an accurate number over the next two days,
with certified accountants -- but an accurate number will be given,
but it's in the 50s of thousands, and that's people that went to vote
and they were told they can't vote
because they've already been voted for
and it's a very sad thing.
they walked out complaining but they --
the number's large, we'll have it for you,
but it's very, it's much more than the number of 11,779
that's -- the the current margin is only 11,779.
Brad, I think I think you agree with that, right?
That's, that's something I think everyone
at least that's the number that everyone agrees on,
but that's the difference in the votes.
But we've had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we're able to --
actually, we'll get you a pretty accurate number.
You don't need much of a number because the number that in theory
i lost by the margin would be 11,779.
But you also have a substantial numbers of people
thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November third
were told they couldn't vote, were told they couldn't vote
because a ballot had been put in on their name and you know
that's very very very very sad.
We had, I believe it's about 4,502 voters who voted
but who weren't on the voter registration list.
so it's 5 thou-- 4,502 who voted but they were not
on the voter registration roll which they had to be.
You had 18,325 vacant address voters, they had no --
the address was vacant and they're not allowed to be counted.
That's 18,325.
Smaller number: you had 904 who only voted.
where they had just a PO, a post office box number
and they had a post office box number and that's not allowed.
We had at least 18 000 that's on tape we had them counted very painstakingly,
18 000 voters having to do with Ruby Freeman that's
she's a vote scammer a professional vote scammer and hustler.
Ruby Freeman that is, that was the tape that's been shown all over the world
that makes everybody look bad... you, me and everybody else,
where they got, number one, they said very clearly
and it's been reported that they said there was a major water main break.
Everybody fled the area and then they came back:
Ruby Freeman, her daughter and a few people.
There were no Republican poll watchers,
actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess they were them
but there were no democrats either and there was no law enforcement.
Late in the morning, they went early in the morning,
they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield,
and they pulled out the votes.
Those votes were put there a number of hours before --
the table was put there -- I think it was, Brad, you would know,
it was probably eight hours or seven hours before
and then it was stuffed with votes.
They weren't in an official voter box, they were in what looked to be
suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but they weren't in voter boxes.
The minimum number, it could be, because we watched it
and they watched it, certified , in slow motion, instant replay,
if you can believe it, but it had slow motion
and it was magnified many times over, and the minimum it was,
was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
You had out-of-state voters, they voted in Georgia
but they were from out of state of 4,925.
You had absentee ballots sent to their vacant,
they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses,
they had nothing on them about addresses, that's 2,326.
And you had drop boxes, which is very bad
you had drop boxes that were picked up.
We have photographs and we have affidavits for many people.
I don't know if you saw the hearings but you have dropboxes
where the box was picked up and not delivered for three days.
so all sorts of things could have happened to that box, including,
you know, putting in the votes that you wanted.
So there are many infractions and the bottom line is
many many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by.
We had vast, I mean you have, the state is in turmoil over this
and I know you would like to get to the bottom of it,
although I saw you on television today and you said that you found nothing wrong.
I mean, you know, and I didn't lose the state, Brad.
People have have been saying that it was the highest vote ever
there was no way, a lot of the the political people
said that there's no way they beat me and they beat me in the -- as you know,
every single state, we won every state, we won every state house in the country,
we held the Senate, which is shocking to people,
although we'll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days,
and we won the House.
But we won every single state house and we won Congress, which was supposed
to lose 15 seats and they gained, I think, 16 or 17 or something, i think.
there's now a difference of five
there was supposed to be a difference substantially more.
but politicians in every state but politicians in Georgia
have given affidavits and are going to -- that, that there was no way they beat me
in the, in the election, that the people came out,
in fact they were expecting to lose
And then, they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails.
and they said there's no way, that they've done many polls
prior to the election, there was no way that they won.
Ballots were dropped in massive numbers and we're trying to get to those numbers,
and we will have them -- they'll take a period of time -- certified
but they're massive numbers and far greater than the 11,779.
The other thing - dead people - so dead people voted
and I think the the number is in the - close to 5,000 people
and they went to obituaries
they went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number
at a minimum it's close to about 5,000 voters.
The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know,
300,000 of fake ballots,
then the other thing they said is in Fulton County in other areas
and this may or may not seem -- be true - this just came up this morning
that they are burning their ballots that they are shredding, shredding ballots
and removing equipment.
They're changing the equipment on the, on the Dominion machines
And... you know that's not legal, and they supposedly shredded,
I think they said 300 pounds of -- 3,000 pounds of ballots.
And that just came to us as a report today
And you know it's -- it's a very sad situation.
But, but Brad --
If you took the minimum numbers we're -- we're many many times above the 11,779
and many of those numbers are certified,
or they will be certified, but they are certified.
And those are numbers that are there that exist - and that,
that beat the margin, the margin of loss.
It beat - they beat it, I mean by a lot
and people should be happy to have an accurate count
instead of an election where there's turmoil -
I mean there's turmoil in Georgia and other places,
you're not the only one, I mean, we have other states that I believe
will be flipping to us very shortly.
And, but this is - this is something that's -- you know,
as an example I think in Detroit and I think there's a section,
a good section of your state actually, which we're not sure,
so we're not going to report it yet, but
in Detroit, we had 100 -
I think it was 139 percent of the people voted.
That's not too good.
In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes
than they had people voting.
And -- that was -- that doesn't play too well.
And the legislature there is which is Republican
is extremely activist and angry.
But I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that
but, but, they had, as an example, in Michigan, a tremendous number
a tremendous number of dead people that voted.
I think it was - I think Mark - it was 18,000 of --
some unbelievably high number much higher than yours -
you were in the 4 to 5,000 category and that was checked out laboriously
by going through, versus, by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.
So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, it's the bottom line and-
provisional ballots again, you know,
you'll have to tell me about the provisional ballots,
but we have a lot of people that were complaining
that they weren't able to vote because they were already voted for.
These are great people, and you know, they were shell-shocked.
I don't know if you call that provisional ballots,
in some states, we had a lot of provisional ballot situations
where people were given a provisional ballot
because when they walked in on November 3rd,
they were already voting for, voted for, so that's it, I mean
we have many many times the number of votes necessary to win the state.
And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily
and we're, we're getting, we have -- much of this is a very cert, you know
they're certified, far more are certified than we need
but we're getting additional numbers certified too
and we're getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late
and delivered three days later in some cases.
Plus we have many affidavits to that effect.
Marc Meadows: So Mr President if I, if I might be able to jump in
and I'll give Brad a chance.
Mr Secretary, one obviously, there is, there are allegations where we believe
that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was was counted
and that's at odds with the representation from the Secretary of State's Office.
What I'm hopeful for is there are some way that we can find
some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully.
As you know, the President mentioned Fulton County,
but in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of,
where the facts seem to lead.
And so, Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, in a spirit of cooperation and compromise,
is there something that
we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations
to to find a path forward that's less litigious.
Raffensberger: Well, I've listened to what the President has just said.
President Trump, we've had several lawsuits
and we've had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions.
We don't agree that you have one, we don't --
I didn't agree about the 200,000 number that you mentioned,
and I'll go through that point by point.
What we have done is, we gave our State Senate
about one and a half hours of of our time, going through the election issue by issue.
And then on the State House, the Government Affairs Committee,
we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point
on all the issues of contention, and then just a few days ago,
we met with our US congressmen, Republican congressmen,
and we gave them about two hours of our time
talking about this past election.
Going back primarily what you're -- what you've talked about here
focused in on primarily, I believe is the absentee ballot process.
I don't believe that you're really questioning the, the Dominion machines,
because we did a hand re-tally a 100% re-tally of all the ballots
and compared that to what the machine said
and it came up with virtually the same result.
Then we did the recount, we got virtually the same results.
So I guess we could probably take that off the table.
I don't think there's an issue about that I think what you were --
Trump: Well, Brad, Brad, not that there’s not an issue,
but because I, we, have a big issue with Dominion
in other states and perhaps in yours
but we have we haven't felt we needed to go there
and just to, you know maybe, put a little different spin on what Mark is saying,
Mark Meadows, yeah we'd like to go further
but we don't really need to we have all the votes we need.
You know, we won the state.
If you took, these are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you.
those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots
sent to vacant addresses your out-of-state voters, 4,925.
You know, when you add them up, it's many more time it's many times
the 11,779 number.
So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion,
so we can't give them blessing, I mean, in other states, we think we found
tremendous corruption with Dominion machines,
but we'll have to see.
But we, we only lost the state
by 11 thou--, by that number, 11,000 votes and 779.
So with that being said, with just what we have,
and you know, with just what we have,
we're giving you minimum, minimum numbers,
we're doing the most conservative numbers possible.
We're many times many, many times above the margin
and so we don't really have to, Mark,
I don't think we have to go through -- Meadows: Right.
Trump: because what's the difference between winning the election by two votes
and winning it by a half a million votes?
I think we probably did win it by half a mill... you know,
one of the things that happened, Brad, is we have other people
coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states,
and they're saying "It's impossible for you to have lost Georgia."
We won: you know, in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever.
in Georgia, we set a record, with a massive amount of votes,
and they say "It's not possible to have lost Georgia."
And I could tell you by our rallies,
I could tell you by the rally I'm having on Monday night,
the place they already have lines of people standing out front, waiting.
It's just not possible to have lost Georgia, it's not possible.
When I heard it was close, I said there's no way,
but they dropped a lot of votes in there, late at night, you know that, Brad,
and that's what we are working on very, very stringently
but regardless of those votes, with all of it being said,
we lost by 11, essentially, 11,000 votes.
And we have many more votes already calculated and certified too.
So I just don't know, you know, Mark, I don't know what's the purpose.
I won't give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things,
but we don't need Dominion or anything else.
We have, we have all, we have won this election in Georgia,
based on all of this and there's nothing wrong with saying that, Brad.
You know, I mean, having a correct --
the people of Georgia are angry and
these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night,
along with others that we're going to have by that time,
which are much more substantial even.
And the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry,
and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know --
that you've recalculated because the 2,236 in absentee ballots,
I mean, they're all exact numbers that were, were done
by accounting firms, law firms etc.
And even if you cut them in half,
cut them in half and cut them in half again,
it's more votes than we need.
Raffensperger: Well, Mr President, the challenge that you have
is the data you have is wrong.
We talked to the congressmen
and they were surprised but they
I guess there was a person named Mr. Raynard
that came to these meetings and
presented data
and he said that there was dead people
I believe it was upward of five thousand
the actual number was two
two people that were dead that voted
and so that's wrong that was two
President Trump: Well Cleta how do you respond to that?
I mean, you tell me
Cleta Mitchell: Well, I would say, Mr. Secretary, one of
the things that we have requested
and we did, what we said was and if you look at
this if you read our petition it says
that we took the name and birth years
and you know we had certain information
available to us
we have asked from your office for
records that only you
have and so we said there's a universe
of people who have the same name and
same birth year and died
but we don't have the records that you have
and one of the things that we have been
suggesting
formally and informally for
weeks now is to try is for you to make available
to us the records that would be necessary
Trump: Even before you do that
Cleta, even before you do that
and not even including that that's why I
hardly even included that number
although in one state we have a
tremendous amount of dead people so I
don't know, I'm sure we do in Georgia too
I'm sure we do in Georgia too but
is that we're so far ahead
we're so far ahead of these numbers even
the phony ballots of
of Ruby Freeman, known scammer
you know the Internet you know what was
trending on the Internet?
where's Ruby? Because they thought you'd
be in jail
where's Ruby? It's a
it's crazy, it's crazy that was the
minimum number is 18,000
for Ruby but they think it's probably
about 56,000. but the minimum number is
18,000 on the
Ruby Freeman night where she ran back in
there when everybody was gone and stuff
she stuffed the ballot boxes let's face
it Brad, I mean
they did it in slow motion replay
magnified right
she stuffed the ballot boxes they were
stuffed
like nobody's ever seen them stuffed
before so there's a term for it when
it's a machine instead of a ballot box
but
she stuffed the machine, she stuffed
the ballot each
each ballot went three times. They were
showing
here's ballot number one here it is the
second the third time
next ballot. I mean look Brad, this is
we have a new tape that we're going
to release... it's devastating
and by the way that one event
that one event
is much more than the 11 000 votes that
we're talking about
it's, you know, that one event was a
a disaster, it's just, you know
but it was
it it was something that, it can't be disputed
yet again we have a version that you
haven't seen but it's
it's magnified
it's magnified and you can see every
everything
and she put, for some reason, they put it
in three times
each ballot and I don't know why, but
you know, I don't know why three times
why not five times right?
but... yeah go ahead
Raffensperger: You're talking about
the State Farm video and I think it's
extremely unfortunate
that Rudy Giuliani or his people they
sliced and diced that video and took it
out of context
so the next day we brought in WSBTV and
we let them
show to see the full run of tape and
what you'll see
the events that transpired are nowhere
near what was
was projected by - Trump: But where were the poll
watchers Brad? There were no poll
watchers there there were no Democrats
or Republicans, there was no security there
it was late in the evening late in the
early in the morning
and there was nobody else in the room
where were the poll watchers and
why did they say a water main broke?
which they did and which is reported in
in the newspapers they said they left
they ran out because of a water main
break and there was no water main
there was nothing there was no break
there was no water main break
But where, if you, if you take out
everything where were the Republican
poll watchers even where were the
Democrat poll watchers because there
were none
and then you say, well they left their station
you know if you look at the tape and
this was it this was reviewed by
professional police and detectives
and other people
when they left in a rush
everybody left in a rush
because of the water main but everybody
left in a rush
these people left their station when
they came back
they didn't go to their station they went
to the apron wrapped around the table
under which were thousands and thousands
of ballots
in a box that was not as an official or
a sealed box
and then they took those and they went
back to a different station
so if they would have come back they
would have walked
to their station and they would have
continued to work
but they couldn't do even that
because that's illegal because they had no
Republican poll watchers and remember
her reputation is
is, she's known all over the Internet
Brad she's known all over it
I'm telling you where's
where's Ruby? Was one of the hot items on the
Ruby they knew her... where's Ruby?
so Brad, you know this, there can be no
justification for that
and I, you know, I give everybody the
benefit of the doubt
but that was and and Brad why did they
put the votes in three times, you know?
they put them in three times-
Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not put that
we we can we did an audit of that and
we've proved conclusively that they were
not scanned three times.
Trump: Where was everybody else at that late
time in the morning?
Where was everybody? Where were the
Republicans? Where were the security guards?
Where were the people that were there
just a little while before
when everyone ran out of the room? How
come how come we had no security in the room?
Why did they run to the bottom of the table?
Why did they run there and just open the
skirt and rip out the, and rip out the votes?
I mean, Brad
and they were sitting there I think
for five hours or something like that
the most but they just all happened to
run back and go
you know, Brad
Raffensperger: Mr. President, we'll send you the link from WSD that doesn't-
Trump: I don't care about a link, I don't need it
I have a lot of much better brand
I have a much better list
Cleta: I will tell you I've seen the tape
the full tape so has Alex, we've watched it
and what we saw and what we've confirmed
in the timing is that they made
everybody leave
we have sworn affidavits saying that
and then they continue then they begin
to process ballots and our estimate is
that there are roughly 18,000 ballots we
don't know that
if you know that- Trump: it was 18,000 ballots
but they used each one three times-
Cleta: Well I don't know about that-
Trump: Well I do, because we have
We had ours magnified out
Cleta: But we have, I've watched the entire thing
Trump: But nobody can make a case for that Brad
I mean look, you'd have to be a child to think
anything other than that
just a child, I mean you have you never
Cleta: How many ballots-
Raffensperger: We had GTI certainly investigate that
Ryan Germany: We had our, this is Ryan Germany, we had
our law enforcement officers
talk to everyone who was who was
there after that event came to light
the GBI was with them as well as FBI agents-
Trump: Well there's no way they could
then they're incompetent
they're either dishonest-
Cleta: Well what did they find?
there's only two answers dishonesty or
incompetence
there's just no way look there's no way
and on the other side
I said too there's no way I mean there's
no way that these things could have been
you know you have all these different
people that that voted but they don't
live in Georgia anymore
What was that number Cleta? That was a
pretty good number too
Cleta: The number who had registered out
of state
after they moved from Georgia
and so they they had a date when they
moved from Georgia
they registered to vote out of state and
then it's like
4,500 I don't have that right in front
of me- Trump: And then they came back in and
they voted
Cleta: and voted Trump: no that was a large number
though it was in the 20s
and you know the point is-
Germany: We've been going through
each of those as well and and those
numbers that we got
that Ms. Mitchell was just saying
they're not accurate. Everyone we've been through
are people that lived in Georgia, moved
to a different state
but then moved back to Georgia
legitimately and in many cases-
Trump: How many people do that? I mean they
moved out and then they said "ah to hell with it
I'll move back" and you know
it doesn't sound like a very normal
you mean they moved out
and what they missed it so much that
they wanted to move back in? You know
it's like
it's great. Germany: Well and then this is they
moved back in years ago this was not
like something just before the election
so there's something about that data
that it's just not accurate Trump: Well I don't know
I mean
all I know is that it is it is certified
and
they moved out of Georgia and they voted
it didn't say they moved back in Cleta, did it?
Cleta: No but I mean we look we're looking at
the voter register
again if you have additional records
we've been asking for that
but you haven't shared any of that with
us you just
keep saying you've been- Trump: Cleta, a lot of it you
don't need to be shared I mean to be
honest they should share it
they should share it because you want to
get to an honest election I won this
election by hundreds of thousands of votes
there's no way I lost Georgia there's no
way we won by hundreds of thousands of votes
I'm just going by small numbers when you
add them up there many times the eleven
thousand but
but I won that state by hundreds of
thousands of votes
now do you think it's possible that they
shredded ballots in Fulton County because
that's what the rumor is
and also that Dominion took out machines
that Dominion is really moving fast
to get rid of their machinery
do you know anything about that?
because that's illegal Germany: No
Dominion has not
moved any machinery out of Fulton County
we're having- Trump: well but no but
but if they move have they moved
the inner parts of the machines and
replaced them with other parts?
Germany: No Trump: Are you sure Ryan?
Germany: I'm sure. I'm sure, Mr. President
Trump: What about what about the
what about the ballots the shredding of
the ballots?
have they been shredding ballots? Germany: no the
only investigation that we have into
that they have not been shredding any ballots
there was an issue in Cobb County where
they were doing normal
you know office shredding getting rid
of old stuff
and we investigated that but this is
stuff from you know past elections
it doesn't pass the smell test though
because we hear they're shredding
thousands and thousands of ballots
and now what they're saying oh we're
just cleaning up the office
you know I don't think that plays
Raffensperger: Mr. President the problem you have with
social media they can
people can say anything-Trump: No this isn't
social media this is Trump media
it's not social media it's it's it's
really not it's not social media
i don't care about social but I couldn't
care less. Social media
is big tech big tech is on your side you
know I don't even know why you have a
side because
you should want to have an accurate election
and you're a Republican
Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election
Trump: no I, no you don't no no you don't you
don't have
you don't have not even close you got
you're off by hundreds of thousands of votes
and just on the small numbers you're off
on these numbers
and these numbers can't be just well why won't
okay so you send us into Cobb County for
signature verification right you send
this into Cobb County which we didn't
want to go into
and you said it would be open to the
public and we could have our
so we had our experts there they weren't
allowed into the room but we didn't want
Cobb County we wanted Fullton County
and you wouldn't give it to us now why
aren't we doing
signature and why can't it be open to
the public and why can't we have
professionals do it
instead of rank amateurs that will never
find anything? and and don't want to find
anything they don't want to find you
know they don't want to find anything
someday you'll tell me the reason why
because I don't understand your
reasoning but someday you'll tell me the
reason why
but why don't you -
Raffensperger: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County-
Trump: What?
Raffensperger: Sorry, go ahead
Trump: Yeah, why did you okay so why did you do Cobb County
we didn't even request we requested
Fulton County not Cobb County
(inaudible)
Trump: Yeah go ahead please, go ahead
Raffensperger: We chose Cobb County
because that was
the only county where there's been any
evidence submitted
that the signature verification was not
properly done
Trump: No but but
i told you but we're not we're not
saying that we are
we're the agreed party Fulton County
look
Stacy in my opinion Stacy is as
dishonest as they come
she has outplayed you at every heart at
everything
she got you to sign a totally
unconstitutional
agreement which which is a disastrous
agreement
you can't check signatures you can't do
it i can't imagine
you're allowed to do harvesting I guess
in that agree that agreement is a
disaster for
for this country and but she got you
somehow to sign that thing
and she is a she's outsmarted you at
every step and I I hate to imagine
what's gonna happen
on Monday or Tuesday but it's very scary
to people
you know where the ballots flow in out
of nowhere it's very scary to people
that consent decree is a disaster it's a
disaster
a a very good lawyer who examined it
said they've never seen anything like it
and
(inaudible)
is still illegal in the state of Georgia
and that settlement agreement did not
change that one-
Trump: it's not a settlement agreement it's a
consent decree it even says consent
decree on it doesn't it
it uses the term consent decree it
doesn't say settlement agreement it's a
consent decree it's a disaster
Raffensperger: It's a settlement agreement
Trump: What's written on top of it?
Raffensperger: Ryan?
Germany: I don't have it in front of me
me but it was not entered by the court
it's not a court order-
Trump: No it's it's called but Ryan it's called
the consent decree is that right on the
paper is that right
Germany: I don't I I I don't I don't believe so
but I don't have it in front of me
Trump: Ok, ok, whatever it's a disaster it's a
disaster
Look, here's the problem we can go through
signature verification and we'll find
hundreds of thousands of signatures if
you let us do it
and the only way you can do it as you
know is to go to the past
but you didn't do that in Cobb County
you just looked at one page compared to
another
the only way you can do a signature
verification is go from
the one that signed it into in
November whatever recently and compare
compared to two years ago
four years ago, six years ago, you know or
or even
one and you'll find that you have many
different signatures
but in in Fulton
where they dump to ballots you will find
that you have many that aren't even signed
and you have many that are forgeries
okay
you know that you know that you have no
doubt about that
and you will find you will be at 11,000,779
within minutes
because Fulton County is totally corrupt
and so is she totally corrupt
and they're going around
playing you and laughing at you behind
your back Brad
whether you know it or not they're
laughing at you
and you've taken a state that's a
Republican state
and you've made it almost impossible for
a Republican to win
because of cheating because they cheated
like nobody's ever cheated before
and I don't care how long it takes me
you know we're going to have other
states coming forward pretty good
but I won't this is never given this is
we have some incredible talent
said they've never seen anything now the
problem is they need more time for the
big numbers but they are very
substantial numbers
but and I think you're going to find
that they by the way
a little information I think you're
gonna find that they are shredding ballots
because they have to get rid of the
ballots because the ballots are unsigned
the ballots are
are corrupt
and they're brand new and they don't
have seals and there's a whole thing
with the ballots but
the ballots are corrupt and you're going
to find that they are
which is totally illegal it's it's it's
more illegal for you than it is for them
because you know what they did and
you're not reporting it that's a
you know that's a criminal that's a
criminal offense
and and you know you can't let that
happen that's that's a big risk
to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That's a
big risk
but they are shredding ballots in my opinion
based on what I've heard and they are
removing machinery
and they're moving it as fast as they can
both of which are criminal fines and you
can't let it happen and you are letting
it happen or you know I mean
I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen
so look all I want to do is this i just
want to find
11,780 votes
which is one more that we have
because we won the state and flipping
the state
is a great testament to our country
because
you know and there's this there's just
it's a testament that they can admit to
a mistake or whatever you want to call
it if it was a mistake i don't know
a lot of people think it wasn't a
mistake it was much more
criminal than that but it's a big
problem in Georgia and it's it's not a
problem that's going away
I mean you know it's not a problem
that's going away
and and we got it
Germany: This is Ryan
we're looking into every one of those things
that that you mentioned-
Trump: but if you find them you've got to
say it right
(inaudible)
Germany: Let me tell you what we are seeing
Trump: Go ahead, good
Germany: What we're saying is not at all
what you're describing right these are
investigators from our office these are
investigators from
GBI and they're looking and
they're good
and that's not what they're seeing and
we'll keep we'll we'll keep looking
we'll keep looking at all these things
Trump: Well you better check on the ballots
because they are shredding ballots
i'm just telling you Ryan they're
shredding ballots
and you should look at that very
carefully because that's so illegal
you know you may not even believe it
because it's so bad but but
they're shredding ballots because they
think we're going to eventually get
there because we'll eventually get into
Fulton
you know it's in my opinion it's my
opinion it's never too late
so oh so oh little double sound
so so that's the story
fellas I look we need only 11,000 votes
we have far
more than that as it stands now we'll
have
more and more and
do you have provisional ballots at all Brad?
provisional ballots
Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are
allowed you know by state law-
Trump: Sure, but do
you have them I mean are they counted or
did you just hold them back because they
you know in other words how many
provisional ballots do you have in the state?
Raffensperger: We'll get you that number
Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name
Trump
because these are people that were
scammed when they came in
and we have thousands of people that
have testified or that want to testify
when they came in they were proudly
going to vote on November 3rd
and they were told I'm sorry you've
already been voted for
you've already voted the women men
started screaming no I proudly voted
till November 3rd they said I'm sorry
but you already been voted for and you
have a ballot
and these people are beside themselves
so they went out and they filled in a
provisional ballot
putting the name Trump on it and what
about that batch of military ballots
that came in and even though I won the
military by a lot
it was a hundred percent Trump do you
know I mean 100
Biden do you know about that a large
group of ballots came in I think it was
to Fulton County
and they just happened to be a hundred
percent for Biden even though
even though trump won the military by a
lot
you know a tremendous amount but these
ballots were 100
for Biden and you know about that a very
substantial number came in
all for Biden
does anybody know about it?
Cleta: I know about it
but we were never
Trump: Well okay Cleta wait I'm not asking you
Cleta honestly
I'm asking I'm asking Brad you know
about the military ballots that we have
confirmed now do you know about the
military ballots that came in that were
a hundred percent I mean a hundred
percent for Biden do you know about that
Germany: I don't know about that I do know
that we have
when when military ballots come in it's
not just military it's also military and
overseas citizens the military
part of that does generally go
Republican the overseas citizen part of it
generally goes very Democrat
Trump: No but this was
yeah that's okay but I get I
got like 78%
in the military these ballots were all
for this this they were
they didn't tell me overseas could be
overseas too but I get votes overseas
too Ryan you know in all fairness
no they came in a large batch came in
and it was
quote 100% for Biden
and that is criminal you know that's
criminal
okay that's another criminal that's
another of the many criminal events
many criminal events here
I don't know look Brad I gotta get I
have to find
twelve thousand votes and I have them
times
a lot and therefore I won the state
that's before we go to the next step
which is in the process of right now
you know and I watched you this morning
and you said
well there was no criminality but I I
mean all of this stuff is
is very dangerous stuff when you talk
about no criminality i think it's very
dangerous
for you to say that i just i just don't
know why
you don't want to have the votes counted
as they are like even you when you went
and did that check and i was surprised
because you know i didn't consider
the check and we found a few thousand
votes that were
against me I was actually surprised
because the way that check was done
all you you're doing is we you know
recertifying
existing votes and you know
you were given votes and you just
counted them up and you still found
three thousand that were bad
that was sort of surprising that came
down three or five
I don't know a lot it was still a lot of
votes but but
you have to go back to check from past
years
with respect to signatures
and if you check with Fulton County
you'll have hundreds of thousands
because they dumped
ballots into Fulton County and the other
county next to it
so what so what are we going to do here
folks I only need 11,000 votes
fellas I need 11,000 votes give me a break
you know we have that in spades already
or we can keep it going but that's not
fair to the voters of Georgia because
they're going to see what happened
and they're going to see what happened I
mean I'll
I'll take on anybody you want with
regard to Ruby Freeman and her lovely daughter
a very lovely young lady I'm sure but
Ruby Friedman. I will take Friedman
I will take on anybody you want and the
the minimum
there were 18,000 ballots but they used
them three times so that's
you know a lot of votes
and that one event and they were all
to Biden by the way that's the other
thing we didn't say
you know the Ruby Friedman one thing
I forgot to say which was the most
important
you know that every single ballot she
did went to Biden you know that right
do you know that by the way Brad?
every single ballot that she did through
the machine
at early early in the morning
went to Biden did you know that Ryan?
Germany: That's not accurate Mr. President
Trump: Huh, what is accurate
Germany: The numbers that we are showing are
accurate
Trump: No about Ruby Friedman about about
early in the morning Ryan when the woman
took the you know when the whole gang
took the stuff out of the
from under the table right do you know
that though do you know who those
ballots you know who they were made out
to do you know who they were voting for?
Germany: No not specifically- Trump: did you ever check
Germany: We did what I described the (inaudible)
Trump: no no no did you ever check the ballots
that were scanned by Ruby Friedman known
a known political operative
balloter did you ever check who those
votes were for?
Germany: We've looked into that situation that
you described-Trump: No they were 100%
for Biden
100% there wasn't a Trump vote in
the whole group
why don't you want to find this right
what's wrong with you I heard that I
heard
your lawyer is very difficult actually
but I'm sure you're a good lawyer
you have a nice last name but but I'm
just curious
why wouldn't why why do you keep
fighting this thing
it just doesn't make sense we're way
over the
17,779 right
we're way over that number and
just if you took just Ruby Friedman
we're over that number by five five or
six times when you multiply it out times three
and every single ballot went to
Biden and
and you didn't know that but now you
know it
so so tell me brad what are we going to do
we won the election and it's not fair to
take it away from us like this
and it's going to be very costly in many ways
and I think you have to say that you're
going to re-examine it and
you can re-examine it but but re-examine
it with people that
want to find answers not people that
don't want to find answers
for instance I'm hearing Ryan and he's probably
I'm sure a great lawyer and everything
but he's making statements about
those ballots that he doesn't know but
he's making him with such
he he did make him with surety but now I
think he's less sure because the answer
is they all went to Biden
and that alone wins us the election
by a lot you know
Raffensperger: Mr. President you have people that submit information
and we have our people that submit information
and then it comes before the court and
the court then has to make a determination
we have to stand by our numbers we
believe our numbers are right
Trump: Why do you say that though I don't know
I mean sure we can play this game with
the courts
but why do you say that first of all
they don't even assign us a judge
but why wouldn't you if hey Brad
why wouldn't you want to check out Ruby Friedman
and why wouldn't you want to say hey if
if in fact
President Trump is right about that then
he wins the state of Georgia just that
one incident alone without going through
hundreds of thousands of drop ballots
you just say you stick by you I mean
I've been watching you for
you know you don't care about anything
your numbers are right
but your numbers aren't right they're
really wrong and they're really wrong Brad
and I know this phone call's going
nowhere other than
other than ultimately you know
look ultimately I win ok? Because-
Cleta: But Mr. Secretary (inaudible)
Trump: You guys are so wrong and you've treated
this you've treated the population of
Georgia so badly
you between you and your governor who
wouldn't who was down at 21
he was down 21 points and like a schmuck
I endorsed him and got he got elected but
I will tell you he's a disaster and
he'll never
I can't imagine the people are so angry
in Georgia I can't imagine
he's ever getting elected again I'll
tell you that much right now
but but why wouldn't you want to find
the right answer Brad instead of
keep saying that the numbers are right
because those numbers are so wrong
Cleta: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, I mean one of
the things that
we have been Alex can talk about this
we've talked about it
and I don't know whether the information
has been conveyed to
your office but I think what the
president's saying
what we've been trying to do is to say
look the court is not
acting on our petition they haven't even
assigned a judge
but the people of Georgia and the people
of America have a right to know
the answers and you have data and
records that we don't have access to
and you keep telling us and making
public statements
that you've investigated this and you
know nothing to see here
but we don't know about that all we know
is what you tell us
what I don't understand is why it
wouldn't be in everyone's best interest
to try to
get to the bottom compare the numbers
you know if you say
because if to try to be able to get to
the truth and that we because
we don't have any way of confirming
what you're telling us you tell us that
you've had an investigation of the State
Farm Arena
I I don't have any report I've never
seen a reported investigation I don't
know what that is
I've been pretty involved in this and I
don't know and that's just
one of like 25 categories
and it doesn't even and and as I as the
president said we haven't even
gotten into the Dominion issue that's
not part of our case it's not part of
we we just didn't feel as though we had
any way
to be able to develop- Trump: No we do have a
way but I don't want to get into it
have we found a way in other states
Cleta, excuse me but we don't need it
because we're only down 11,000 votes so
we don't even need it
I personally think they're corrupt as
hell but we don't need that
because all we have to do Cleta is find
11,000 plus votes
so we don't need that I'm not looking to
to shake up the whole world we won
Georgia easily
we want to buy hundreds of thousands of
votes but if you go by
basic simple numbers we want it easily, easily
so we're not giving Dominion a pass
on the record
Cleta: No, right exactly Trump: but we just don't you know
we don't need Dominion because we have
so many other votes
that we don't need to prove it any more
than we already have
Hillberg: Mr. President, Cleta this is Kurt Hillberg if I might
inject here for a moment. Ryan, I
would like to suggest
that just four categories that have
already been mentioned by the president
that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes
that were counted illegally
that in and of itself is sufficient to
change the results or place the outcome
in doubt
we would like to just sit down with
your office and we can do it through
purposes of compromising
settlement just like this phone call
just to deal with that limited category
of votes
and if you were able to establish that
our numbers are not accurate
then fine however we believe that they
are accurate we've had
now three to four separate experts look
at these numbers
these numbers are based upon the USPF and
Trump: certified certified accountants looked
Hillberg:at them
correct and this is just based on USPF
data and your own Secretary of State data
so that's what we would entreat and ask
you to do to sit down with us
in a compromise and settlements you know
proceeding and actually go through the
registered voter IDs and the
registrations
and if you can convince us that that 24,149
is inaccurate then fine
but we we tend to believe that that is
you know obviously more than 11,779
that's sufficient to change the
results entirely in and of itself so
what would you say to that Mr. Germany?
Germany: Kurt, I'm happy to
I'll get with our lawyers and we'll set
that up
that number is not accurate and I think
we can show you for all the ones we've
looked at
why it's not and so if that
that would be helpful I'm happy to get
with our lawyers and set that up with
you guys
Trump: Well let me ask you Kurt, do you think that is an
accurate number
that was based on the information given
to you by the Secretary of State's
department right?
Hillberg: that that is correct that that
information is the minimum most
conservative data
based upon the USPF data and the
Secretary of State's office data
that has been made publicly available we
do not have the internal numbers from
the secretary of state
yet we have asked for it six times I've
sent a letter over to Mr. Anolewitz
several times requesting this
information and it's been rebuffed every
single time so
it stands to reason that if the
information is not worth company
forthcoming there's something to hide
that's the problem that we have
Raffensperger: Well that's not the case there are
things that that you guys are
are entitled to get and there's things
that under law we are not allowed
Trump: Well you have to well under
law you're not allowed to give
faulty election results okay you're not
allowed to do that and that's what
you've done
this is a faulty election result and honestly
this should go very fast you should meet
tomorrow because you have a big election
election coming up and because of what
you've done to the president you know
the people of
Georgia know that this was a scam and
because of what you've done to the
president a lot of people aren't going
out to vote
and a lot of Republicans are going to
vote negative because they hate what you
did to the president
okay they hate it and they're going to
vote and if you would be
respected if really respected if this
thing could be straightened out
before the election you have a big
election coming up on Tuesday
and therefore I think that it really is
important that you meet tomorrow and
work out on these numbers
because I know Brad that if if you think
we're right I think you're going to say
and and I'm not looking to blame anybody
I'm not blaming I'm just saying that
you know you know under new counts and
under new
views of of the election results we won
the election
it's all you know it's very simple we
won the election
as the governor of major states and the
surrounding states said
there is no way you lost Georgia as the
Georgia politicians
say there is no way you lost Georgia
nobody everyone knows I want to buy
hundreds of thousands of votes
but I'll tell you it's going to have a
big impact on Tuesday if you guys don't
get this thing straightened out fast
Mark: Well Mr. President this is Mark let me
let me just it sounds like we've got
two different sides agreeing that
we can look at those those areas and
and i assume that we can do that within
the next 24
to 48 hours to go ahead and get that
reconciled so that we can look at the
two claims
and making sure that we get the access
to the secretary of state's data
to either validate or invalidate the
claims that have been made is that correct?
Raffensperger: No, that's that's not what I said I'm
happy to you know sit down with or have
our lawyers sit down with curtin
and and the lawyers on on that side and
explain to him hey here's
based on what we've looked at so far
here's how we know
this is wrong this is wrong this is
wrong this is wrong this is wrong
what you're saying ryan hold on let me
let me make sure so what you're saying
is you really don't want to give access
to the data
you just want to make another case on
why
the lawsuit is wrong i don't think we
i don't think we can give access to data
that's protected by law
but we can sit down with them and say
you're allowed to have a phony election
right no sir
what are you what are you going to do
the signature counts on when are you
going to do signature verification on
fulton county which you said you were
going to do and now all of a sudden
you're not doing it when are you doing
that
mr president we've announced to get to
this issue of the
personal information and privacy issue
um
is it possible that the secretary of
state could deputize the lawyers
for the president so that we could
access that information that private
information without you having any kind
of violation
well i don't want to know who it is you
guys can do it very confidentially you
can sign a confidentiality agreement
that's okay i don't need to know names
all right but we got the information on
this stuff that we're talking about
we got all that information from the
secretary of state
yeah so let me let me recommend uh ryan
if you and kurt will get together and
you know when we get off of this phone
call if you could get together
and work out uh a plan to
to address uh some of what we've we've
got with your attorneys
where we can we can actually look at the
data
uh uh for example uh mr secretary i i
can tell you you said there was only two
dead people that would vote uh i i can
promise you there are more than that uh
and that may be what your investigation
shows but i can promise you there are
more than that
but at the same time i think it's
important that we go ahead and move
expeditiously to try to do this and
resolve it as quickly as we possibly can
and uh and if that's the good next step
hopefully we can we can uh
finish this phone call and go ahead and
agree that the two of you will get
together immediately
but why don't my lawyer show you where
you got the information it'll show the
secretary of state
and you don't even have to look at any
names we don't want names we don't care
but we got that information from you
and stacy abrams is laughing about you
know she's going around saying these
guys are dumber than a rock
what she's done to this party is
unbelievable i tell you
and i only ran against her once and that
was with a guy named brian
kemp and i beat her and if i didn't run
brian wouldn't have had even a shot
either in the general or in the primary
he was dead dead at a door nail he never
thought he had a shot at either one of
them
what a schmuck i was but that's the way
it is
that's the way it is uh i would like you
to
uh uh for the attorneys or i'd like you
to
perhaps meet with ryan ideally tomorrow
because i think we should come to a
resolution of this before the election
otherwise you could have
you're going to have people just not
voting they don't want to vote they
hate the state they hate the governor
and they hate the secretary of state
i will tell you that right now and the
only people that like you are people
that will never vote
for you you know that brad right they
like you you know
they like you they can't believe what
they found they want more people like
you
so look uh can you get together tomorrow
and brad we just want the truth
it's simple and uh
and everyone's gonna look very good if
the truth comes out it's okay it takes a
little while but
let the truth come out and the truth the
real truth is i won by 400 000 votes at
least
that's the real truth but we don't need
400 000 votes we need
less than 2 000 votes and
are you guys able to meet tomorrow ryan
um i'll get with chris the lawyer who's
representing us
in the case uh and see when he can get
together with kurt
all right ryan will be in touch with
that the other attorney on this call
mr meadows thank you president trump for
your time
okay thank you brad thank you ryan thank
you thank you everybody
thank you thank you thank you very much
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