WEBVTT 00:01:12.080 --> 00:01:17.962 Peace! Happiness! Smile! 00:01:18.160 --> 00:01:23.007 1, 234! Smile! More teeth! 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:28.923 Don't let the camera catch you looking bad! 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:34.729 Smile! 1, 2, 3, 4! 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.049 Real joy, not just pleasure! 00:01:38.240 --> 00:01:44.964 And natural beauty! This isn’t fake! 00:01:45.160 --> 00:01:50.166 Okay, peace! Peace! Peace! 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:07.887 I'm looking for an actress... 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.924 ...an actress to play a mother. 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:13.248 Old ladies like you... 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:16.728 When you see movie stars on TV- 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.685 - you must dream of becoming one. 00:04:20.880 --> 00:04:24.089 - No, I don't. - Why not? 00:04:24.280 --> 00:04:27.363 - You have nothing else to do. - No, I'm busy. 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:34.205 These women won't agree to play communists like this. 00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:41.602 It might work if we invite them to your house first... 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.407 But if we ask them right here, they'll be afraid. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.002 People might think they really are communists. 00:04:49.200 --> 00:04:54.240 I disagree... In my neighborhood everybody would do it. 00:04:54.440 --> 00:04:57.649 Then let's go there instead. It's impossible here. 00:04:57.840 --> 00:05:01.970 This whole area was communist. 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:10.047 We're looking for women with children - 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:10.705 -to play communist wives. 00:05:14.640 --> 00:05:19.771 You try to prevent us from burning down your house. 00:05:19.960 --> 00:05:22.361 But in the end we burn it down. 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:27.560 'Mother, they burned our house down!' 00:05:35.200 --> 00:05:37.601 Like that. 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:42.249 And don't worry if you touch her breasts. You're still a kid. 00:05:42.440 --> 00:05:44.602 Ready? 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:50.003 Kill them! 00:05:50.200 --> 00:05:52.043 No! 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:56.802 - Destroy their house! - No, please don't! 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.881 Burn it! 00:06:02.080 --> 00:06:03.445 Kill! 00:06:03.640 --> 00:06:08.521 Cry! Weep! 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.644 Don't burn my house. 00:06:37.218 --> 00:06:43.958 Keep crying! 00:06:51.365 --> 00:06:56.485 Okay cut, cut! 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:16.203 Whether this ends up on the big screen - 00:07:18.169 --> 00:07:19.797 - or only on TV it doesn't matter. 00:07:21.433 --> 00:07:24.154 - But we have to show... - That this is the history! 00:07:24.821 --> 00:07:27.213 This is who we are! 00:07:28.854 --> 00:07:30.930 So in the future people will remember! 00:07:31.710 --> 00:07:34.044 It doesn't have to be a big film - 00:07:34.965 --> 00:07:37.612 - like Rank Organization, Paramount Pictures, MGM... 00:07:38.266 --> 00:07:41.124 We, in our simple way step by step - 00:07:44.653 --> 00:07:48.320 - will tell the story- 00:07:49.960 --> 00:07:55.337 - of what we did when we were young! 00:07:55.880 --> 00:07:57.754 Excuse me... 00:08:25.013 --> 00:08:28.331 There's many ghosts here, because many people were killed here. 00:08:28.450 --> 00:08:33.266 - They died unnatural deaths. - Unnatural deaths. 00:08:33.266 --> 00:08:34.266 They arrived perfectly healthy. 00:08:34.266 --> 00:08:35.970 Bodies discarded, dragged 00:08:35.970 --> 00:08:39.403 When they got here they were beaten up... and died. 00:08:46.773 --> 00:08:49.773 Bodies discarded, dragged 00:08:49.773 --> 00:08:52.580 At first, we beat them to death... But there was too much blood. 00:08:52.610 --> 00:08:56.493 There was so much blood here... 00:09:01.870 --> 00:09:05.688 So when we cleaned it up, it smelled awful. 00:09:05.880 --> 00:09:11.489 To avoid the blood, I used this system. 00:09:11.680 --> 00:09:14.843 Can I show you? 00:09:15.205 --> 00:09:21.265 Now we tie a wire around this pole 00:09:36.050 --> 00:09:38.621 Sit there. 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:48.910 Face that way. 00:09:49.100 --> 00:09:52.308 We have to re-enact this properly. 00:10:01.282 --> 00:10:03.330 This is how to do it - 00:10:11.330 --> 00:10:13.906 - without too much blood. 00:10:21.920 --> 00:10:24.710 I've tried to forget all this with good music... Dancing... 00:10:24.740 --> 00:10:26.390 Feeling happy.. 00:10:31.626 --> 00:10:35.347 A little alcohol... 00:10:35.347 --> 00:10:38.130 A little marijuana... 00:10:38.130 --> 00:10:43.521 A little... what do you call it? Ecstasy.. 00:10:43.521 --> 00:10:47.081 Once I'd get drunk, I'd 'fly' and feel happy. 00:10:48.361 --> 00:10:50.000 Cha cha. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.367 He's a happy man. 00:11:59.070 --> 00:12:39.940 Syamsul Arifin, Governor of Northern Sumatra 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.879 Anwar Congo, from the paramilitary group. 00:12:57.076 --> 00:12:59.413 You've heard of him? From the Medan Cinema. 00:13:04.305 --> 00:13:06.423 Now that I'm governor, I stab him if he threatens me. 00:13:06.793 --> 00:13:09.328 Everyone was scared of him. 00:13:22.766 --> 00:13:25.106 The only one not scared was me- 00:13:25.642 --> 00:13:28.437 - because he looked after me when I was a kid. 00:13:29.767 --> 00:13:33.354 When I was in high school - 00:13:33.948 --> 00:13:36.666 - I was the only one not scared of him - 00:13:37.621 --> 00:13:40.388 - because I didn't think of him as a big gangster. 00:13:40.571 --> 00:13:43.804 But when people heard his name, they'd be terrified. 00:13:44.949 --> 00:13:47.381 - Why? - Because he's one of the killers. 00:14:00.153 --> 00:14:03.476 Now, the communists' children are starting to speak out - 00:14:03.974 --> 00:14:06.080 - trying to reverse the history. 00:14:06.294 --> 00:14:09.408 One of them wrote, 'I’m Proud to be the Child of a Communist.' 00:14:12.718 --> 00:14:14.888 But this won't last long - 00:14:14.888 --> 00:14:17.115 - because the people won't accept it. 00:14:18.111 --> 00:14:21.052 Communism will never be accepted here, because - 00:14:21.218 --> 00:14:24.110 - we have so many gangsters, and that's a good thing. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.502 The word 'gangster' comes from English. 'Free men'. 00:14:32.794 --> 00:14:37.140 Thugs want freedom to do things, even if they're wrong... 00:14:37.405 --> 00:14:40.270 But if we know how to work with them - 00:14:40.408 --> 00:14:43.733 - all we have to do is direct them. 00:15:02.304 --> 00:15:08.066 We were gangsters. We didn't have real jobs. 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:16.598 So we'd do anything for money.. 00:15:16.784 --> 00:15:20.079 ...just to buy nice clothes. 00:15:20.365 --> 00:15:22.865 This was the cinema - 00:15:23.098 --> 00:15:25.420 - where I worked. 00:15:25.688 --> 00:15:31.630 I'd stand here, scalping tickets and showing off. 00:15:31.886 --> 00:15:36.280 When films were popular, we'd scalp tickets. 00:15:38.514 --> 00:15:44.000 But when the communists were strong - 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:52.782 They wanted fewer American films. 00:15:52.980 --> 00:15:59.340 - So we gangsters made less money. - Because there was no audience. 00:15:59.540 --> 00:16:03.989 Hollywood films were popular. 00:16:04.180 --> 00:16:09.266 Without them the gangsters didn't make as much money. 00:16:09.460 --> 00:16:13.431 As we say: 'Dinner missed the belly' 00:16:15.660 --> 00:16:20.791 When we'd watch happy movies, like Elvis movies - 00:16:20.980 --> 00:16:27.181 - we'd leave the cinema smiling, dancing to the music. 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:31.269 Our hands... 00:16:32.620 --> 00:16:37.182 Still dancing... 00:16:37.380 --> 00:16:40.304 Still in the mood of the film... 00:16:41.500 --> 00:16:46.540 if girls passed, we'd whistle. 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:51.701 We loved it. We didn't care what people thought. 00:16:51.900 --> 00:16:58.624 Here was the paramilitary office, where I always killed people. 00:16:58.820 --> 00:17:03.428 I'd see the guy being interrogated... 00:17:03.620 --> 00:17:08.911 I'd give him a cigarette. I'd still be dancing, laughing... 00:17:09.100 --> 00:17:14.186 it was like we were killing... 00:17:14.420 --> 00:17:16.263 ...happily! 00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:43.585 When my mom was alive - 00:17:43.780 --> 00:17:50.311 - sometimes, when I was screaming... 00:17:51.620 --> 00:17:57.229 ...my mom would rush in and wake me up. 00:17:57.460 --> 00:18:00.782 'Before you sleep, wash your feet!' 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:05.747 'Pray properly Don't just sleep.' 00:18:06.620 --> 00:18:14.620 I know my bad dreams come from what I did... 00:18:15.340 --> 00:18:19.629 ...killing people who didn't want to die. 00:18:19.820 --> 00:18:21.902 I forced them to die. 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:32.511 Why are you daydreaming, my love? 00:18:32.700 --> 00:18:37.831 Are you so uncertain? 00:18:53.620 --> 00:18:59.468 You're a star now! 00:18:59.660 --> 00:19:02.743 Amazing! 00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:04.908 This guy's a star! 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.887 Joshua, film the photos! 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:24.041 That's the president's father-in-law, Sarwo Edhie. 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:28.450 - I'll introduce them one-by-one. - That’s the president. 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:32.440 That's him with the president. 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:52.171 Ibrahim Sinik is famous all across the country! 00:19:52.360 --> 00:19:57.000 We gangsters keep him well protected. 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.844 We wish him a long, prosperous life. 00:20:00.040 --> 00:20:02.725 But don't forget to share your money! 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.321 Ask Joshua for money. 00:20:05.520 --> 00:20:08.126 After all, he’s from London! 00:20:08.320 --> 00:20:11.961 You interrogated communists in your newsroom? 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:16.210 He was always gathering information. 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:21.201 When he had the information - 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:26.691 - he'd say: 'Guilty!' and we'd take them away and kill them. 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:39.768 When you interrogated communists in your office - 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:43.885 - what questions did you ask? 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.646 Whatever we asked, we'd change their answers - 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.605 - to make them look bad. 00:20:50.800 --> 00:20:53.644 As a newspaper man - 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:59.882 - my job was to make the public hate them. 00:21:00.080 --> 00:21:03.766 And your relationship with the army? 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.567 - The army. - We had no formal relationship. 00:21:07.760 --> 00:21:11.367 But after we captured the communist youth - 00:21:11.560 --> 00:21:14.882 - and beat them to a pulp - 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:18.482 - we gave them to the army but the army wouldn't take them. 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.287 They said, 'Just dump them in the river.' 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.927 Do you remember exactly what the army said? 00:21:27.120 --> 00:21:30.010 I didn't bring the victims. I had men for that. 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.364 Why would I do such grunt work? Why would I kill people? 00:21:34.560 --> 00:21:38.849 I didn't have to! One wink from me and they're dead! 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:21.771 Pancasila Youth! 00:22:33.560 --> 00:22:36.609 How you doing, Anwar? 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:40.329 This is the real Anwar Congo! 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:53.087 Pancasila Youth, servants of the nation... 00:22:53.280 --> 00:22:56.489 Once our sails go up - 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:01.481 - we never turn back! 00:23:19.040 --> 00:23:21.247 - Pancasila! - Forever! 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:32.122 All Pancasila Youth members are heroes. 00:23:32.320 --> 00:23:34.926 From exterminating the communists - 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:40.001 - to fighting neo-communists and left-wing extremists- 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:47.163 - and those who want to destroy our country.. 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:50.364 This isn't only the duty of the army and police. 00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:55.122 We, Pancasila Youth, must take a stand. 00:23:55.320 --> 00:24:01.885 These are threats to the nation, and we must take action. 00:24:03.560 --> 00:24:08.441 They say Pancasila Youth is a gangster organization. 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.847 If we're gangsters- 00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:14.681 - I'm the biggest gangster of all. 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:21.608 Oh, shit! 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:30.323 How did Pancasila Youth exterminate the communists? 00:24:30.520 --> 00:24:32.602 We killed them all. 00:24:32.800 --> 00:24:36.202 That's what happened. 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.970 May I hit the ball now? 00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:53.120 We have too much democracy it's chaos. 00:24:53.320 --> 00:24:56.563 What is this 'democracy'? 00:24:56.760 --> 00:25:01.049 Things were better under the military dictatorship. 00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:04.323 Better economy More security . 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.001 Gangsters are free men. 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:14.923 They want to enjoy, life in their style. 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.362 Relax and Rolex. 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:27.290 You definitely have a mole on your pussy. 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.687 Definitely. 00:25:38.080 --> 00:25:40.048 That was great. 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.363 If I get a strike, I get a massage! 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:12.689 There must be many ghosts here. 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:15.929 They arrived perfectly healthy. 00:26:16.120 --> 00:26:18.851 Then they were beaten up. 00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:21.208 And died. 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.089 Sit here. 00:26:28.760 --> 00:26:32.003 We have to re-enact this properly 00:26:43.040 --> 00:26:47.807 I never would have worn white pants. 00:26:48.840 --> 00:26:51.525 I never wore white. 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.929 I always wore dark colors. 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.851 I look like I'm dressed for a picnic. 00:27:05.800 --> 00:27:08.690 My acting has to be violent. 00:27:11.360 --> 00:27:17.811 And maybe I should dye my hair black. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:22.483 And now he's dead. 00:27:25.760 --> 00:27:29.162 But how do you feel watching this? 00:27:29.360 --> 00:27:35.083 How do I feel? Back then I felt more free. 00:27:35.360 --> 00:27:42.005 Older men are gentle, but young men... 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.007 Especially me, because I watched so many sadistic movies. 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.643 We were influenced by them. So we... 00:27:51.840 --> 00:27:57.483 We were more cruel than the movies. 00:28:01.080 --> 00:28:05.165 I know a good location for a torture scene. 00:28:05.360 --> 00:28:13.360 Behind the school, in the old toilets... 00:28:14.840 --> 00:28:18.447 - But the neighbors will hear.. - They know me. 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.645 If I look at them, they run away. 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.730 Look, I'm laughing. I did it wrong, didn't I? 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.803 It's my mistake. 00:28:35.560 --> 00:28:40.248 I was influenced by films starring - 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.923 - Marlon Brando, Al Pacino... 00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:53.120 Those were my favorites. And westerns with John Wayne. 00:28:55.160 --> 00:29:00.326 I brought these clothes from home. 00:29:00.520 --> 00:29:04.889 Hopefully they express my vision. 00:29:05.080 --> 00:29:12.202 Hey you have to change your shirt. Put on a white one. 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:19.249 You'll look lovely in this! Perfect! 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:25.123 - What the fuck is this? - Just a little decoration. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.641 It matches your body shape. 00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:33.049 It's perfect! 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.644 - This one's for the 'Big Boss'. - Yep. It's perfect for me. 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.482 And you know where I got the inspiration for it? 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:58.811 I always watched gangsterfilms - 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.210 - where they always kill with wire. 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.006 It's faster with wire. 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:12.651 Because when you pull the wire hard, the victim can't grab it... 00:30:12.840 --> 00:30:17.482 He can't, because it cuts in... 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.326 it's great to be a communist, huh? 00:30:46.520 --> 00:30:51.845 Don't just nod. Say 'Yes sir!' 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.043 - Wanna smoke, Pang? - No. 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:05.089 Try this 'neo-colonialist' cigar. 00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:08.204 Have a puff. 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.727 Just stick it in your nose if you don't want to smoke it. 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.969 - Look at him! - Look at me. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.050 Look him in the eye! 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:46.769 Hold on, Joshua. It's evening prayers. 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.367 - Don't tie the blindfold so tight. - I didn't. 00:31:55.560 --> 00:31:59.167 The way I pull it just looks tight. 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.049 Even by the window it's hot. 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:28.010 'Human rights!' 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:34.481 All this talk about 'human rights' pisses me off. 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:39.481 'We want a little human rights!' 00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:44.004 Back then there was no human rights. 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:48.444 - Because you made a revolution. - That's no excuse. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:54.568 For example, in Argentina some generals launch a coup d'état- 00:32:54.760 --> 00:32:59.163 - and then they're convicted of human rights violations. 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.727 But I'm a gangster 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.563 I'm a gangster A free man. 00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:14.127 A movietheater gangster. 00:33:14.320 --> 00:33:16.891 Not much education. 00:33:17.080 --> 00:33:21.802 - A human drop out. - A drop out. 00:33:22.840 --> 00:33:28.404 There are people like me everywhere in the world. 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.646 They still look great. 00:33:55.280 --> 00:33:59.763 There were many Chinese communists! 00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:05.171 I got a thick book with all their names. 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:09.001 I'd visit them, 'How much you gonna pay?' 00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:14.411 They'd say 'Please, Sir don't! I'm old.' 00:34:14.600 --> 00:34:20.050 We used them for their money We didn't kill them. 00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:25.644 But if they didn't pay we killed them. They can't have it both ways. 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.322 If they didn't pay.. 00:34:29.520 --> 00:34:32.171 ...we killed them. 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:48.091 These Chinese are diff cult. Sometimes they piss me off. 00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:58.525 That's it... You sure speak good Chinese. 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.531 When I need money there's nothing like an old friend. 00:35:05.720 --> 00:35:10.487 With others, if it's not enough, I won't accept it. 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:17.364 Hi Lung. C'mon, shake my hand. It's been a long time. 00:35:17.560 --> 00:35:21.690 - I need money. - Why me? 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:26.044 I'm asking you nicely 00:35:26.240 --> 00:35:31.087 I don't even ask the others. I just punch them... 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.489 An uppercut right in the stomach. 00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:41.650 You give this sincerely? Then thank you very much. 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.602 Our organization is planning a big meeting. We need money. 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.600 We need more than normal. 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.249 We need a huge amount. 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.922 Don't give the usual amount. 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.846 What’s this shit? 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:09.361 Give more or I won't accept it. 00:36:09.560 --> 00:36:14.646 - Please... - I'd never accept so little. 00:36:16.040 --> 00:36:18.088 Here. 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.329 That's not enough. 00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:24.285 What's wrong with you, Cik? 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.882 We consider you our father Cik. 00:36:28.080 --> 00:36:33.723 So throw in more, and we'll take it, because this isn’t for just anybody. 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:38.130 Count it up and put it in. 00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.526 The spirit of Pancasila Youth - 00:37:00.720 --> 00:37:04.884 - which people accuse of being gangsters... 00:37:05.080 --> 00:37:09.802 Gangsters are people who work outside the system - 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.085 - not for the government. 00:37:15.720 --> 00:37:19.281 The word 'gangster' comes from 'free men'. 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:23.530 This nation needs 'free men'! 00:37:27.240 --> 00:37:30.403 If everyone worked for the government- 00:37:30.600 --> 00:37:34.844 - we'd be a nation of bureaucrats. We'd get nothing done. 00:37:35.040 --> 00:37:38.408 We need gangsters to get things done. 00:37:38.600 --> 00:37:42.206 Free, private men who get things done. 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.362 Use your muscles! 00:37:48.560 --> 00:37:51.688 Muscles aren't for beating people up - 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:57.045 - although beating people up is sometimes needed. 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:02.963 - Once more, Pancasila! - Forever! 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.766 - Pancasila! - Freedom! 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.841 While you wait for this train, we wish to inform you - 00:38:14.040 --> 00:38:19.842 - that the traffic laws are there to protect you and your family. 00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:24.601 We also inform you, that in accordance with the law... 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:33.441 - This is me, Anwar Congo. - Oh, that's you! 00:38:33.640 --> 00:38:36.484 Look, I'm rolling a joint. 00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:39.809 You're smoking pot. 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:46.246 That's me. I'm wearing a plaid shirt, camouflage pants, saddle shoes... 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.171 See how 'elite' I am? 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.967 This is what you should wear in the studio scene. 00:38:53.160 --> 00:38:59.691 And for the killing scene... Jeans. I wore jeans for killing. 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:06.081 When you kill people, you should wear thick pants. Like this... 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:11.605 - How about a checkered pattern? - That'd be great, but small ones. 00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:17.648 To look cool, I imitated movie stars. 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.209 But I didn't copy Elvis Presley 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.611 Herman, I'll make you a gorgeous dress! 00:39:28.520 --> 00:39:32.809 - More energy! - We're ready boss! 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.129 Burn them all! 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.084 Finally you got it! 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:45.482 Cry 'What's going on, mom?' 'Leave us alone!' 00:39:46.520 --> 00:39:52.323 Wait everybody! Anwar show us how to kill. 00:39:54.640 --> 00:39:57.928 You! Come here! 00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:03.885 What's going on? 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:11.680 Who says I'm a communist? 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.091 Hold him down! 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.641 Torture him! Kill him! 00:40:26.040 --> 00:40:27.769 Are you listening? 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.090 Stop denying you're a communist! 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.091 - Okay fine! - Leave our grandfather alone! 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.330 You take him, I'll take the kids! 00:40:45.640 --> 00:40:48.803 - You love these kids? - Please stop. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.401 Sit! 00:40:51.600 --> 00:40:56.083 - Or I'll smash this kid! - Let me go! 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:02.128 If you love these kids, you better stop lying. 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.846 It's your choice! 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.527 Cut! 00:41:12.040 --> 00:41:14.441 Amazing! 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.131 Why do people watch James Bond? 00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:33.441 To see action. 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:39.884 Why do people watch films about Nazis? To see power and sadism! 00:41:40.080 --> 00:41:42.287 We can do that! 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:47.964 We can make something even more sadistic than... 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:55.565 ...more sadistic than what you see in movies about Nazis. 00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.922 Sure I can! 00:41:58.120 --> 00:42:03.286 Because there's never been a movie where heads get chopped off- 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.565 - except in fiction, but that’s different - 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.765 - because I did it in real life! 00:42:21.640 --> 00:42:26.646 What's clear is no film has ever used our method. 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.809 We can attract a huge audience! 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:38.005 Humor... it's a must. 00:42:38.200 --> 00:42:41.647 - Romance? - We've got it! 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.246 Fuck this umbrella! 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.444 Herman’s trapped. 00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:53.281 He should scream, 'Leave me alone! Stop! Stop!' 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.441 Meanwhile, the three of us scream, 'You communist bitch!' 00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:03.682 Keep attacking her! 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:12.526 I'm gonna rape you! I'm gonna kill you! 00:43:13.720 --> 00:43:19.648 How long have you been pregnant? You'll give birth to a communist! 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.889 But if the audience is tense the whole time - 00:43:23.080 --> 00:43:26.323 - with nothing to entertain them, it will never work! 00:43:29.680 --> 00:43:34.766 On Saturday night, I went to the movies. 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:40.490 Oh, I'm not gonna shake my ass or anything. 00:43:40.680 --> 00:43:47.529 I watched the movie alone with my girlfriend. 00:43:47.720 --> 00:43:55.720 The film was sold out - 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:02.690 - so I bought tickets from the movie theater gangsters. 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.327 Oh how lovely.. 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:33.651 - Adi! How’s the family? - We're all fine. 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:40.008 Was it a good flight? 00:44:40.200 --> 00:44:44.410 - How've you been, Anwar? - I'm fine. 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.162 - The city has changed a lot. - Really? 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:53.729 I've tried to call you many times. 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.084 But you never answer my calls. 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.047 Your nose needs more. 00:45:29.240 --> 00:45:36.089 - Do you remember Soaduon? - Yes, where is he? 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:41.161 Over there. Soaduon Siregar. 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:47.163 Now he takes credit for everything, but back then he was nobody 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.842 I remember him. 00:45:57.600 --> 00:46:03.164 - Adi, this is Soaduon Siregar. - I remember you. 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:07.570 He's one of Ibrahim's Sinik's journalists. 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.081 As they say: 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.241 'Although camels live in Arabia, they never get to visit Mecca.' 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.889 Being close to a rich boss didn't make him rich. 00:46:20.080 --> 00:46:24.005 Just like me. Have a seat. 00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:27.921 Interrogation of Communist, Take 2 00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:37.003 We give land to the farmers. 00:46:37.200 --> 00:46:42.161 We give them fertilizer, seeds, farming equipment... 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:48.445 In order to spread communism, right? 00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:56.161 Indeed, we want to show that the Communists are the best party. 00:46:57.200 --> 00:47:03.401 Why do you recruit people to join an illegal party? 00:47:03.600 --> 00:47:08.925 But back then, it wasn't illegal. 00:47:09.120 --> 00:47:13.728 - It wasn't? - Before 1965? Of course not! 00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:21.362 It's easy to make the communists look bad after we destroyed them. 00:47:22.040 --> 00:47:27.001 So, the communists were not more cruel than us. 00:47:27.200 --> 00:47:31.569 We were the cruel ones! 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.606 'Cruel' is totally different from sadistic. 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:40.522 - No, it isn't. They're synonyms. - No. 00:47:40.720 --> 00:47:43.291 Sadism is different. 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.768 - You're playing with words! - No, I'm not. 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.201 You're playing with words. 00:47:53.040 --> 00:47:57.523 It bumped its head. 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:09.565 Sometimes I think... if my dad was a communist and was killed - 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.084 - I'd be upset. That's normal, right? 00:48:17.560 --> 00:48:23.602 For example, if you killed my father I'd be upset with you. 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.087 Why'd you kill my father? 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:31.127 Then, you don't let me go to school. You don't let me work. 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:36.565 You don't even let me marry This needs to be changed. 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.764 There's been no official apology - 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.567 - but what's so hard about apologizing? 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.560 The government would apologize, not us. 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.890 It would be like medicine. It would reduce the pain. 00:48:52.080 --> 00:48:57.246 - Forgiveness. - Wouldn't they curse us secretly? 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:04.210 They curse us secretly.. Because if they cursed us openly.. 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:09.566 They'd be arrested! So they whisper their curses? 00:49:11.200 --> 00:49:15.250 For me, Adi, in the end... 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.566 I'm disturbed in my sleep. Maybe because- 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:26.244 - when I strangled people with wire I watched them die... 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.570 But when you used other methods, you also watched. 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.685 Yes, but when I'm falling asleep, it comes back to me. 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.611 That's what gives me nightmares. 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:46.286 You feel haunted because your mind is weak. 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:49.882 Have you ever been to a neurologist? 00:49:50.080 --> 00:49:56.008 If I went to a neurologist, it would mean I'm crazy. 00:49:56.200 --> 00:50:01.127 No! Psychiatrists are not for crazy people. 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.885 Psychiatrists aren't for crazy people. They're nerve experts. 00:50:08.080 --> 00:50:15.089 Even I've been to a nerve expert... But for a mild stroke. 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.883 See, your nightmares are just a nerve disturbance. 00:50:23.160 --> 00:50:26.050 Come on, give it a try! 00:50:26.240 --> 00:50:32.327 If you see a shrink, you talk, he talks. 00:50:32.560 --> 00:50:36.007 Then he gives you nerve vitamins. 00:50:47.560 --> 00:50:51.042 Remember the 'Crush the Chinese' campaign in 1966? 00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:53.561 All along Sudirman Street - 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.288 - I killed every Chinese person I met. I stabbed them! 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:05.967 I don't remember how many but it was dozens. 00:51:06.160 --> 00:51:09.687 If I met them, I stabbed them. 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:14.807 All the way to Asia Street, where I met my girlfriend's dad. 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.483 Remember my girlfriend was Chinese? 00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:24.242 'Crush the Chinese' became 'Crush my Girlfriend's Dad'! 00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:28.240 So I stabbed him, too! Because he was Chinese! 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:33.446 He fell into a ditch. I hit him with a brick. He sank. 00:51:40.080 --> 00:51:45.166 Killing is the worst crime you can do. 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.807 So the key is to find a way - 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:53.324 - not to feel guilty 00:51:53.520 --> 00:51:56.888 it's all about finding the right excuse. 00:51:57.080 --> 00:52:02.962 For example, if I'm asked to kill someone... 00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:11.044 If the compensation is right... 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.491 ...then of course I'll do it, and from one perspective it's not wrong. 00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:22.208 That’s the perspective we must make ourselves believe. 00:52:24.200 --> 00:52:28.922 At first, I was scared... These are top gangsters! 00:52:29.120 --> 00:52:35.287 Like you and Anwar... 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:40.486 Terrifying! And making a film! It's shocking! 00:52:40.680 --> 00:52:44.127 But if you want a true story I have one. 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:49.611 Tell us. Because everything in this film should be true. 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.601 There was a shopkeeper. 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.203 He was the only Chinese person in the area. 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:03.564 To be honest, he was my stepfather. 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.809 He was my stepfather.. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.766 But although he was my stepfather- 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.045 - I lived with him since I was a baby.. 00:53:15.240 --> 00:53:21.361 At 3 AM, someone knocked on our door. 00:53:21.560 --> 00:53:28.125 They called my dad. Mom said, 'It's dangerous! Don't go out.' 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.926 But he went out. 00:53:31.120 --> 00:53:34.442 We heard him shout, 'Help!' Then, silence. 00:53:34.640 --> 00:53:39.168 They took him away We couldn't sleep until morning. 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.763 - How old were you? - 11 or 12... 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.725 I remember it well. 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:50.447 And it's impossible to forget! 00:53:50.640 --> 00:53:55.168 We found his body under an oil drum. 00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.241 The drum was cut in half- 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:03.842 - and the body was under it, like this... 00:54:04.040 --> 00:54:07.283 His head and feet were covered by sacks - 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.484 - but one foot poked out like this. 00:54:10.680 --> 00:54:14.685 That same morning, nobody dared help us... 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:22.287 We buried him like a goat next to the main road. 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:26.849 Just me and my grandfather carrying the body- 00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:31.967 - digging the grave... No one helped us. I was so small. 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:40.320 Then, all the communist families were exiled... 00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.962 We were dumped in a shantytown at the edge of the jungle. 00:54:46.160 --> 00:54:50.848 That's why to be honest, I've never been to school. 00:54:51.040 --> 00:54:54.931 I had to teach myself to read and write. 00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:59.523 Why should I hide this from you? 00:54:59.720 --> 00:55:05.921 I promise I'm not criticizing what we're doing. 00:55:06.120 --> 00:55:11.365 It's only input for the film. I promise I'm not criticizing you. 00:55:11.560 --> 00:55:14.928 Look, everything's already been planned. 00:55:15.120 --> 00:55:18.806 We can't include every story or the film will never end. 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:26.009 And your story is too complicated. It would take days to shoot. 00:55:26.200 --> 00:55:31.764 - Maybe we can work it in... - Or it can motivate the actors. 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.049 We believe this man's a communist. 00:55:38.200 --> 00:55:44.924 After we decided to kill him, there were many reactions. Some prayed. 00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:50.524 - Come on, pray. - 'God help me!' 00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:54.441 How do you tell him he's going to die? Angrily or softly? 00:55:54.640 --> 00:56:01.842 I tried to make them accept that they were going to die. 00:56:02.040 --> 00:56:06.409 Anwar teach us how to torture. 00:56:06.600 --> 00:56:10.844 'You want me to use this?' 00:56:11.040 --> 00:56:15.329 - Should I scare him? - Yes. 00:56:15.520 --> 00:56:20.162 You want me to use this? 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:25.844 Then, beg him not to. 00:56:26.040 --> 00:56:32.400 Now, take the cloth and blindfold him. 00:56:32.600 --> 00:56:39.165 Josh always asks me, 'You worked in the same office - 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.285 - how could you not have known?' 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:49.567 I declare: I never saw anything. 00:56:50.520 --> 00:56:57.927 Now, seeing your re-enactment, I realize you were so smooth - 00:56:58.120 --> 00:57:03.604 - that even me, a journalist with such sharp senses... 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:05.802 I never knew! 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:14.000 I'm surprised. Because we didn't hide what we were doing. 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.921 - If you didn't know, I'd be shocked. - I didn't. 00:57:20.120 --> 00:57:22.805 We were in the same office... 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.927 - And we didn't hide it. - I never knew. 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:37.082 You were so smooth, and I rarely went upstairs to your office. 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:43.162 - Your publisher directed the torture. - No! 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.682 - He says so himself. - That's not true! 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:54.048 He and the other leaders decided who we killed. 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.482 Look, I'm not calling you a liar, but logically.. 00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:04.846 - Continue, Adi. - I'm not calling him a liar Joshua. 00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:13.040 But this man, a journalist distancing himself from these things... 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:19.601 That's predictable. But logically something we didn't hide... 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:25.170 How could he not know? Even the neighbors knew! 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:30.890 Hundreds were killed. It was an open secret. 00:58:32.080 --> 00:58:37.689 - Drink! - Have some water. 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.090 - Drink! - It's not poison! 00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:47.127 Drink! Just drink it. 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:54.169 - Drink it. It will refresh you. - Give him a cigarette. 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.003 Let him smoke. 00:58:59.200 --> 00:59:03.330 It's sadistic, Adi. 00:59:04.520 --> 00:59:10.209 Ask him again about his activities. 00:59:11.640 --> 00:59:16.487 Have mercy on me. 00:59:22.040 --> 00:59:26.045 Please, sir. 00:59:37.200 --> 00:59:40.249 Should we kill him? 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:45.651 Wait. Would you give a message to my family? 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.287 Sure. 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:55.125 Or could I speak to them one last time? 00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.767 No way. 01:00:02.040 --> 01:00:05.726 Okay pull. 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:17.527 Lower your head. 01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:21.041 He's dead. 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.810 Wrap him up. 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:53.086 Listen, if we succeed in making this film - 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.571 - it will disprove all the propaganda about the communists being cruel. 01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:02.321 - And show that we were cruel! - We're the cruel ones. 01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:09.051 If this film is a success! We must understand every step we take here. 01:01:09.240 --> 01:01:13.404 It's not about fear it's 40 years ago... 01:01:13.600 --> 01:01:17.525 ...so any criminal case has expired. 01:01:17.720 --> 01:01:22.647 It's not about fear it's about image. The whole society will say: 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:29.610 'We always suspected it. They lied about the communists being cruel.' 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:34.089 it's not a problem for us. It's a problem for history. 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:42.006 The whole story will be reversed. Not 180 degrees... 360 degrees! 01:01:42.200 --> 01:01:45.363 If we succeed with this scene! 01:01:45.560 --> 01:01:53.560 But why should we always hide our history if that's the truth? 01:01:54.680 --> 01:01:57.923 No, the consequence is... 01:01:58.120 --> 01:02:02.125 ...that everything Anwar and I have always said is false. 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:04.971 It's not the communists who were cruel. 01:02:05.160 --> 01:02:09.210 - But that’s true! - I completely agree. 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.966 But not everything true should be made public. 01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:18.687 I believe even God has secrets. 01:02:20.120 --> 01:02:24.045 I'm absolutely aware that we were cruel. 01:02:26.080 --> 01:02:29.846 That's all I have to say 01:02:30.040 --> 01:02:34.568 it's up to you what to do about it. 01:03:10.720 --> 01:03:16.807 I don't mean to make you uncomfortable, but I have to ask... 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.086 By telling yourself it was 'war', you're not haunted like Anwar. 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:26.888 But the Geneva Conventions define what you did as 'war crimes'. 01:03:27.080 --> 01:03:31.369 I don't necessarily agree with those international laws. 01:03:31.560 --> 01:03:36.407 When Bush was in power Guantanamo was right. 01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:42.084 Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:49.050 That was right according to Bush, but now it's wrong. 01:03:50.040 --> 01:03:55.046 The Geneva Conventions may be today's morality but tomorrow - 01:03:55.240 --> 01:03:59.689 - we'll have the Jakarta Conventions and dump the Geneva Conventions. 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:05.721 'War crimes' are defined by the winners. 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:09.811 I'm a winner So I can make my own definition. 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.402 I needn't follow the international definitions. 01:04:13.600 --> 01:04:19.801 And more important, not everything true is good. 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:25.484 Some truths are not good. Like re-opening this case. 01:04:25.680 --> 01:04:29.446 Even if everything you're finding out is true, it's not good. 01:04:29.640 --> 01:04:34.851 But for millions of victims' families- 01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:40.126 - if the truth comes out, it's good. 01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.724 Fine, but start with the first murder Cain and Abel. 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.289 Why focus on killing the communists? 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.051 Americans killed the Indians. 01:04:53.240 --> 01:04:57.086 Has anybody been punished for that? Punish them! 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:01.410 For me, re-opening this case is a provocation to fight. 01:05:01.600 --> 01:05:06.003 I'm ready! If the world wants continuous war, I'm ready 01:05:06.200 --> 01:05:10.205 if you wanna make us fight, I'm ready! 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:16.965 What if you were brought to the international court in the Hague? 01:05:17.160 --> 01:05:20.130 - Now? - Yes. 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.850 I'd go! I don't feel guilty so why would I go? 01:05:26.040 --> 01:05:30.807 Because I'd be famous. I'm ready! 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:36.530 Please, get me called to the Hague! 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.531 More hot! 01:05:48.120 --> 01:05:50.691 More hot! 01:05:53.600 --> 01:05:57.286 I like this... Eye candy. 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:08.689 This is healthy for a guy like me. 01:06:14.720 --> 01:06:17.166 Enjoy the scenery Ma'am. Okay. 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.887 - One, two, three. - Ah! 01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:23.845 - Again! One, two, three. - Ah! 01:06:26.040 --> 01:06:29.522 I was asked to run for parliament. 01:06:29.720 --> 01:06:34.044 'Why me?' 'Don't worry! You can do it!' they said. 01:06:40.560 --> 01:06:46.169 Then I thought, 'Why not?'. 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:51.890 In fact, I'm a perfect candidate because I'm well known! 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.644 Don't clench your fist. 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:13.366 Be quiet! I've almost got it! 01:07:13.560 --> 01:07:17.087 - OK, but don't make a fist. - You're ruining the sound! 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.124 - But... - Stop it! 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:25.451 Be quiet! You're a real pain! Just shut up! 01:07:25.640 --> 01:07:30.043 Long live the Businessmen and Workers Party! I am Herman... 01:07:30.240 --> 01:07:34.962 ...ready to fight for workers' rights. 01:07:35.160 --> 01:07:39.165 Remember to vote for me on election day! 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:46.922 If I get elected and get on the Building Commission - 01:07:47.120 --> 01:07:52.604 - I can get money from everyone. 01:07:53.640 --> 01:07:58.407 For example, if a building is 10 cm too small... 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:03.162 I can demand 'Tear down the building!'. 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:07.524 They'll say, 'Please don't report us. Here's your money'. 01:08:08.600 --> 01:08:12.889 Even if nothing's wrong with the building - 01:08:13.120 --> 01:08:17.170 - if I threaten them, they'll give me money anyway. 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:23.841 Not just a little money In a block of 10 buildings... 01:08:24.040 --> 01:08:27.567 if each pays $10000, just do the math! 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:31.162 That's already $100,000. 01:08:33.200 --> 01:08:35.521 That's only one neighborhood! 01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:44.290 Actually parliament should bethe most noble place in society. 01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:47.723 But if we see what they do there... 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:55.771 They're really just robbers with ties. 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.767 What illegal businesses are Pancasila Youth involved in? 01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.964 Gambling. 01:09:06.160 --> 01:09:10.210 Gambling, night clubs. 01:09:10.400 --> 01:09:12.641 Supermarkets. 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:17.243 But that’s not illegal. They just hire us as security. 01:09:17.440 --> 01:09:21.126 - The illegal ones? - Gambling. 01:09:21.320 --> 01:09:24.051 - Any others? - Smuggling. 01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:30.486 Illegal fishing, illegal logging, illegal gambling... 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.651 ...and if they don't pay we blackmail them. 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.126 Let's welcome our candidate, Marzuki! 01:09:39.320 --> 01:09:42.449 Long live our party! 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:44.369 Pancasila! 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:49.002 Ready! 01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:53.000 What am I supposed to say? How does it begin? 01:09:53.200 --> 01:09:57.205 - What's the first sentence? - I'm Herman. 01:09:57.400 --> 01:10:00.483 - I'm Herman! - Stand up, you'll look better. 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:04.003 Ladies and gentlemen... What comes next? I can't remember 01:10:04.200 --> 01:10:11.482 I'm Herman, from the Businessmen and Workers' Party! 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:21.441 - Any free T-shirts? - Nope... Ma'am, here's my card. 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.120 T-shirts! We want presents! 01:10:24.320 --> 01:10:29.326 Don't worry about money or presents. We'll come back with gifts. 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.524 Pray for us, hopefully he'll win. 01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:35.451 Tell people who ask for presents... 01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:38.769 'We'll come back with gifts if we win.' 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:42.726 Tell them, 'We're filming today' 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:47.247 - Don't forget. - Just a card? 01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:49.522 Where's 'the bonus'? Don't we get anything else? 01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.684 - 'The bonus' comes later. - Once you're elected? 01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:58.171 - Honey where do you think you are? - Yes, but... 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:06.122 Many of the parties bribe people to vote for them. 01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:09.369 In fact, they all do. 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:13.690 And when you see thousands of people at a rally - 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:17.930 - all of them were paid to be there. 01:11:21.440 --> 01:11:25.684 They consider it going to work. 01:11:27.240 --> 01:11:29.322 Without money they won't come. 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.605 They'll ask each other, 'how much did you get?'. 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:41.408 And leaders just get paid more! 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:54.768 Nowadays, nobody believes in what they're campaigning for. 01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:02.446 We've all become like soap opera actors. 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:09.326 Our souls have become like soap opera actors. 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:13.081 They look happy, but inside they’re pissed off! 01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:17.046 Fuck this shit, they're thinking. 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.080 Where's the injured one? 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:53.769 Where’s the crippled one? 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:57.042 - Which? - The injured one. 01:12:57.240 --> 01:13:00.642 There she is. 01:13:01.240 --> 01:13:05.131 - Sweet little duck. - Don't! You'll hurt her again. 01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:12.245 She's weak because you broke her leg. 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:20.127 Don't do that. She's a baby! 01:13:21.160 --> 01:13:24.801 Say 'I’m sorry Duck.' 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.207 - I'm sorry Duck. - That's it. 01:13:27.400 --> 01:13:31.928 Now say 'lt was an accident. I was scared, so I hit you.' 01:13:32.200 --> 01:13:35.329 Say 'lt was an accident.' Speak loudly. 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.287 - Sorry Duck. - And pet her a little. 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:52.642 Now the communist has become a ghost. 01:13:52.840 --> 01:14:00.804 He was killed and became a ghost. 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:03.685 - Haunting you. - Haunting me. 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:07.208 Do you feel trauma seeing this? 01:14:07.480 --> 01:14:13.886 If he came to me at night, I'd be terrified. 01:14:14.080 --> 01:14:18.927 It's like the ghosts hate me. 01:14:19.120 --> 01:14:23.170 Because in my dreams they have threatening voices... 01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:29.163 - They laugh, but frighteningly! - Try to laugh. 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:37.081 Anwar's nightmare, take 2. 01:14:38.040 --> 01:14:39.121 Standby. 01:14:39.320 --> 01:14:40.526 Record. 01:14:53.240 --> 01:14:57.404 I thought I killed you! 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:05.162 - What did I do wrong? - Just get up, surprised. 01:15:05.360 --> 01:15:11.641 And ask, 'Why are you alive?' What's so hard about it? 01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:22.691 I... I thought I killed you! 01:15:48.200 --> 01:15:51.443 Why am I coming to this place? 01:15:53.480 --> 01:16:00.045 Because it affected me so deeply. 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.771 Because the method of killing... 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.288 ...was very different. 01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:19.284 And that's why I always have nightmares. 01:16:19.480 --> 01:16:24.480 Is it because I've been telling you my story so honestly? 01:16:32.400 --> 01:16:39.568 Or maybe the vengeance of the dead? 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:48.403 I remember... I said 'Get out of the car'. 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:52.400 He asked, 'Where are you taking me?'. 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:57.931 Soon, he refused to keep walking... 01:16:59.040 --> 01:17:03.887 I saw Roshiman bringing me a machete. 01:17:06.120 --> 01:17:13.481 Spontaneously I walked over to him and cut his head off. 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:19.687 My friends didn't want to look. 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:24.044 They ran back to the car. 01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:28.162 And I heard this sound... 01:17:32.480 --> 01:17:36.610 His body had fallen down... 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:42.089 And the eyes in his head were still... 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:59.401 On the way home, I kept thinking, why didn't I close his eyes? 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:04.891 All I could think about was why didn't I close his eyes? 01:18:05.080 --> 01:18:10.883 And that is the source of all my nightmares... 01:18:11.080 --> 01:18:17.531 I'm always gazed at by those eyes that I didn't close. 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:23.966 That's what always disturbs me so very much. 01:19:34.080 --> 01:19:36.890 Slit his throat! 01:19:37.080 --> 01:19:40.801 Cut off his head! 01:19:46.160 --> 01:19:48.606 Hooray! 01:20:08.240 --> 01:20:11.050 Did you take it? Is it good? 01:20:11.240 --> 01:20:13.083 - Thank you. - No, thank you, Sir. 01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:17.490 No. With such a beautiful girl? I should thank you. 01:20:20.360 --> 01:20:25.321 Too bad she bleaches her hair... Makes her look like a whore. 01:20:30.320 --> 01:20:32.891 - Tell him about the car! - What happened? 01:20:33.080 --> 01:20:35.686 There was this girl... 01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:37.962 She sucked off six men - 01:20:38.160 --> 01:20:40.731 - and not a drop of cum on the floor. 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:43.890 - Six men? - She swallowed it all. 01:20:44.080 --> 01:20:48.085 And after the last guy finishes, she's still sucking - 01:20:48.280 --> 01:20:52.444 - like she wanted more! 01:20:59.280 --> 01:21:07.280 Dear God, make our great organization a pillar of this nation. 01:21:11.360 --> 01:21:15.410 You know the price of the land? 200 million dollars. 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:19.610 I gave it to the birds. 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:25.690 So they have a happy life. I'm also happy. 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.362 Everybody's terrified of the paramilitaries. 01:21:32.400 --> 01:21:37.201 So, when a businessman wants land where people are living... 01:21:37.400 --> 01:21:41.086 if he just pays for it, it's expensive. 01:21:41.280 --> 01:21:46.889 But we can solve his problem. 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:53.245 Because people are terrified of us, when we show up - 01:21:53.440 --> 01:21:57.923 - they say 'Just take the land. Pay what you like.' 01:22:01.240 --> 01:22:04.369 This is a rose. 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:07.166 Very very limited. 01:22:11.320 --> 01:22:15.405 Elephant. This is very very limited. 01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:21.885 I buy these from every country I visit. 01:22:23.240 --> 01:22:26.562 Hungary 2,250 dollars. 01:23:01.040 --> 01:23:05.045 You've cut off my head... 01:23:05.240 --> 01:23:10.644 You have to be furious, but also sad. 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.880 You have to be angry sad. Sadistic. 01:23:16.080 --> 01:23:19.084 Look at your blood! 01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:26.680 Look what I found in your stomach! 01:23:33.080 --> 01:23:38.211 Look at this! Your liver. 01:23:46.400 --> 01:23:48.846 It's rotten! 01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:43.362 Even in make-up he looks like he's from Ethiopia! 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:49.408 - Tanzania. Like Idi Amin. - Idi Amin Dada. 01:24:54.280 --> 01:25:00.401 Camera 3 on Citra! Close up on Citra for the opening. 01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:04.730 Everybody ready? Roll the leader! 01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:13.443 Indonesian National Television 'Special Dialogue' 01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.328 Welcome back to Indonesian Television's Special Dialogue. 01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:22.161 Today we meet movie theater gangsters who are making a film - 01:25:22.360 --> 01:25:24.488 -to commemorate the crushing of the communists. 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:28.571 We go straight to the perpetrator and star of the film, Anwar Congo! 01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.082 Let's welcome Anwar Congo! 01:25:33.280 --> 01:25:37.205 In those days movie theater gangsters were very well known. 01:25:37.400 --> 01:25:40.802 What's the origin of the word 'gangster'? 01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:45.085 Actually gangster comes from 'free men'. 01:25:45.280 --> 01:25:50.446 That's why we use a special song in our movie. 01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:56.329 A song called 'Born Free.' 01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:00.127 So you brought the communists straight to your office? 01:26:00.320 --> 01:26:07.841 Yes, and after we interrogated them, and decided they shouldn't be alive- 01:26:08.040 --> 01:26:12.250 - we had to kill them. 01:26:12.440 --> 01:26:16.809 And was your method of killing inspired by gangsterfilms? 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:19.207 Sometimes! 01:26:19.400 --> 01:26:21.164 It's like... 01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:24.569 Amazing! He was inspired by films! 01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:30.244 Each genre had its own method. Like in mafia movies... 01:26:30.440 --> 01:26:36.891 ...they strangle the guy in the car and dump the body. 01:26:37.080 --> 01:26:39.242 So we did that too. 01:26:39.440 --> 01:26:43.525 Which means Anwar and his friends developed - 01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:47.645 - a new, more efficient system for exterminating communists. 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:53.210 It was more humane, less sadistic, and avoided excessive violence... 01:26:53.400 --> 01:26:57.724 But you also just wiped them out! 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:07.411 - How many people did he kill? - About 1000. 01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:11.730 How can he sleep? Isn't he haunted? 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.163 - A lot of them went crazy. - Yeah. 01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:18.603 - No, they got rich. - Yeah. 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:22.521 Rich from stealing. 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:27.487 But killing all those people made them crazy too. 01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:34.169 But what’s the special meaning of this film for young people? 01:27:34.360 --> 01:27:40.242 Young people must remember their history. 01:27:40.440 --> 01:27:44.240 They must never forget. What's more... 01:27:44.440 --> 01:27:47.125 God must be against communists. 01:27:47.320 --> 01:27:49.766 Yes. God hates communists! 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:53.282 That's why he's made this film so beautiful! 01:27:53.480 --> 01:27:59.647 According to General Sarwo Edhie 2.5 million communists were killed. 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:05.165 Why haven’t the victims' children ever tried to take revenge? 01:28:05.400 --> 01:28:12.170 It's not that they don't want to take revenge. They can't! 01:28:12.360 --> 01:28:16.490 Because we'd exterminate them all! 01:28:31.480 --> 01:28:38.125 This is the only film shoot to be visited by a government minister. 01:28:38.320 --> 01:28:45.408 He's coming here just for you, to motivate and support you! 01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:48.126 You should be proud! 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.327 The whole world will see this. London, England! 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.410 Forget Jakarta. Jakarta is nothing! 01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.930 Wow! All the killers are here! 01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:21.080 Just improvise and express your anger. 01:29:21.280 --> 01:29:23.408 Scream, 'Crush the communists!' 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:28.891 - Crush the communists! - Wipe them out! 01:29:29.080 --> 01:29:31.606 Okay let’s try it. 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:36.645 Attack on Kampung Kolam. Take 1. 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.811 Don't let any communists escape! 01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:48.249 Kill! Kill! Kill the communists! 01:29:49.440 --> 01:29:52.728 Slaughterthem! 01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.366 Are you ready to attack? 01:29:55.560 --> 01:30:01.488 Take no prisoners! Destroy them all! 01:30:03.160 --> 01:30:06.403 Burn down their houses! 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:12.767 Kill the communists! Chop them up! 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:17.682 Exterminate them to their roots! 01:30:19.080 --> 01:30:26.362 Chop off their heads Burn them! Kill them all! 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:30.326 Kill! Kill! 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:42.131 Cut! Cut! Cut! 01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:49.363 Joshua and crew, now I'm speaking as a leader of Pancasila Youth. 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:56.091 What we’ve just shown is not characteristic of our organization. 01:30:56.280 --> 01:31:01.280 We shouldn't look brutal, like we want to drink people's blood. 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:13.763 That's dangerous for our organization's image. 01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:18.443 But we must exterminate the communists. 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.450 We must totally wipe them out- 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:26.601 - but in a more humane way. 01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:31.567 What we just filmed, I felt awful... 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:34.570 Especially with my image right in the middle of it! 01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.161 OK, Joshua? 01:31:37.360 --> 01:31:41.809 This is the true story That's what we all want, right? 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:44.685 Sure. Sure. 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.121 You know, what we just filmed... 01:31:47.320 --> 01:31:52.690 Don't erase it! Use it to show how ferocious we can be! 01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:58.250 In fact, we can even be worse! 01:31:58.440 --> 01:32:04.686 So, think of it as a simulation of our rage - 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:09.727 - if anyone disturbs our country 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:20.122 If they're pretty I'd rape them all. 01:32:20.320 --> 01:32:27.283 Especially back then, when we were the law. 01:32:27.480 --> 01:32:28.891 Fuck 'em! 01:32:29.080 --> 01:32:32.846 Fuck the shit out of everyone I meet. 01:32:33.040 --> 01:32:37.728 Are you a communist woman? 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:41.527 What are you hiding there? 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:44.371 That’s the spirit! 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:49.521 Especially if you get one who's only 14 years old. 01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:51.290 Delicious! 01:32:51.480 --> 01:32:57.567 I'd say it's gonna be hell for you but heaven on earth for me. 01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.445 Keep struggling. 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:03.450 No one wants to be tortured, right? 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.610 If you can save yourself, you should. 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:11.124 And if you can run away go ahead! 01:33:11.320 --> 01:33:13.448 Attention everybody! 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:17.326 While you're acting, remember the cameras! 01:33:19.400 --> 01:33:23.200 Ladies, think positively 01:33:23.400 --> 01:33:26.244 if you think positively - 01:33:26.440 --> 01:33:32.322 - your acting will be great and the scene will succeed. 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.568 Positive! Think positive! 01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:15.445 Kill them all! 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:21.481 Catch him! 01:35:13.200 --> 01:35:17.649 Cut! Cut! Cut! 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.764 Bakti! Bring water! 01:35:43.480 --> 01:35:47.485 Let her rest. 01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:19.927 Febby your acting was great. But stop crying. 01:36:21.160 --> 01:36:27.725 You're embarassing me. Film stars only cry for a moment. 01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:39.840 What I regret... Honestly I never expected it would look this awful. 01:36:47.400 --> 01:36:52.440 My friends kept telling me to act more sadistic - 01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:58.124 - but then I saw the women and children. 01:37:00.360 --> 01:37:03.443 Imagine those children's future. 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:06.007 They've been tortured... 01:37:06.200 --> 01:37:09.283 Now their houses will be burned down... 01:37:09.480 --> 01:37:13.201 What future do they have? 01:37:14.240 --> 01:37:19.201 They will curse us for the rest of their lives. 01:37:19.400 --> 01:37:22.927 This was so very very very.. 01:38:27.160 --> 01:38:29.731 When you say 'karma'... 01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:34.448 What does it mean for you? What are you afraid of? 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:43.920 Karma is like a law of nature. 01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:52.522 A law straight from God. 01:38:59.240 --> 01:39:02.369 Imagine, in all this darkness - 01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:09.364 - it's like we're living at the end of the world. 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:14.963 We look around... There's only darkness. 01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:21.962 It's so very terrifying. 01:39:50.240 --> 01:39:55.883 Hit the table. To frighten me. 01:39:56.080 --> 01:40:00.244 Start by hitting the table. Hard. 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:18.850 Trying to ban American films in Indonesia? 01:40:19.040 --> 01:40:22.249 What are you trying to do? 01:40:24.080 --> 01:40:26.003 Shut up! 01:40:26.200 --> 01:40:30.285 - What are you trying to do? - Please, sir.. 01:40:30.480 --> 01:40:34.963 Don't get friendly with me! We're not friends! 01:40:35.160 --> 01:40:37.367 Answer the questions! 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:42.521 Hurry up or I'll break your legs! 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:46.042 Dana, ask! 01:40:46.240 --> 01:40:50.245 Besides Titi Kuning, where else are you active? 01:40:50.440 --> 01:40:54.809 - Hamparan Perak. - A real big communist. 01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:59.565 Quick! Don't waste our time! 01:41:01.440 --> 01:41:04.808 Lift up your hand or I'll cut it off. 01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:09.324 Hey look! Gold! 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:13.889 Take off your watch. 01:41:14.080 --> 01:41:18.290 Put it on the table. What else do you have? 01:41:18.480 --> 01:41:21.927 A ring? Gold? 01:41:22.120 --> 01:41:26.045 Talk or I cut your face. 01:41:26.240 --> 01:41:30.211 - Talk. - Tell us everything! 01:41:30.400 --> 01:41:35.930 - Please, don't... - I won't, but you talk! 01:41:36.120 --> 01:41:39.169 Talk... 01:41:40.120 --> 01:41:42.407 Cut. 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:01.291 Okay let's do it. 01:42:14.440 --> 01:42:22.440 I place this medal around your neck. 01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:13.329 - Are you alright? - I can't do that again. 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:40.731 Get him some water. 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:48.645 Have some water. 01:44:27.360 --> 01:44:32.764 We shoved wood in their anus until they died. 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:37.925 We crushed their necks with wood. We hung them. 01:44:38.120 --> 01:44:42.842 We strangled them with wire. We cut off their heads. 01:44:43.040 --> 01:44:46.010 We ran them over with cars. 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:51.922 We were allowed to do it. 01:44:52.160 --> 01:44:57.246 And the proof is, we murdered people and were never punished. 01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:07.160 The people we killed... There's nothing to be done about it. 01:45:07.360 --> 01:45:10.443 They have to accept it. 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:15.886 Maybel Im just trying to make myself feel better but it works: 01:45:16.080 --> 01:45:21.166 I've never felt guilty, never been depressed, never had nightmares. 01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:47.680 For executing me and sending me to heaven. 01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:53.927 I thank you a thousand times, for everything. 01:47:25.240 --> 01:47:29.006 This is great, Joshua. This is very good. 01:47:29.200 --> 01:47:35.048 I never imagined I could make something so great. 01:47:36.880 --> 01:47:40.327 One thing that makes me so proud - 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:44.650 - is how the waterfall expresses such deep feelings! 01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:56.451 You know the scene where I'm strangled with wire? 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:02.128 - Do you have it here? - Where you're strangled? 01:48:02.320 --> 01:48:04.971 Please put it on. 01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:12.322 Yan? 01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:16.206 I want him to watch this... 01:48:22.440 --> 01:48:26.331 - Yan? - He's in bed. 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:32.522 Yan, watch the scene where grandpa is tortured and killed. 01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:37.362 Ami, come see grandpa beaten up and bleeding. 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:39.608 But this is too violent. 01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:43.600 Watch this. Grandpa gets beaten up. 01:48:45.080 --> 01:48:47.447 Turn up the volume. 01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:51.167 But this is too violent, Anwar Are you sure? 01:48:51.360 --> 01:48:53.966 Yes, it's fine. Will you be scared, Yan? 01:49:00.320 --> 01:49:04.245 This is only a film... Look at that. 01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:09.887 Grandpa looks so sad, doesn't he, Yan? 01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:12.447 So scary 01:49:13.480 --> 01:49:18.361 it's so sad, isn't it? That's your grandpa. 01:49:19.440 --> 01:49:24.890 That's grandpa being beaten up by the fat guy. 01:49:25.080 --> 01:49:28.129 Grandpa's head is smashed. 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:10.600 Did the people I tortured feel the way I do here? 01:50:21.280 --> 01:50:25.569 I can feel what the people I tortured felt. 01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:33.760 Because here my dignity has been destroyed... 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:38.645 ...and then fear comes, right there and then. 01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:43.926 All the terror suddenly possessed my body 01:50:44.120 --> 01:50:48.808 it surrounded me, and possessed me. 01:50:49.800 --> 01:50:56.081 Actually the people you tortured felt far worse- 01:50:56.280 --> 01:51:01.286 - because you know it's only a film. They knew they were being killed. 01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:08.685 But I can feel it, Josh. Really I feel it. 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:14.364 Or have I sinned? 01:51:19.040 --> 01:51:23.602 I did this to so many people, Josh. 01:51:25.320 --> 01:51:29.245 Is it all coming back to me? 01:51:35.400 --> 01:51:42.284 I really hope it won't. I don't want it to, Josh. 01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:56.640 This is where we tortured and killed the people we captured. 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:22.684 I know it was wrong - 01:53:23.320 --> 01:53:27.041 - but I had to do it. 01:54:36.480 --> 01:54:39.609 This is... 01:54:43.080 --> 01:54:48.166 This is one of the easiest ways to take a human life. 01:54:52.120 --> 01:54:54.566 And this... 01:54:56.000 --> 01:55:00.961 This was used to take away.. 01:55:04.200 --> 01:55:07.647 ...the human beings we killed. 01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:10.684 Because without this... 01:55:12.080 --> 01:55:16.051 ...maybe people would know.