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Based on the reports on migration, a flow[br]of refugees puts Europe under pressure,

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so that you get the impression[br]that the world ...

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Excuse me, what did you say[br]was wrong with Europe?

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Europe is in a refugee crisis.

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- Did you say under pressure?[br]- Yes?

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- There is no pressure.[br]- No pressure?

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That's what Merkel[br]and your prime minister are saying.

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This remains to be seen,

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but it is a part of the world[br]with a lot of resources.

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And then you have to decide [br]how much you will or won't help.

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I am not naive, I won't get involved[br]in the political debate.

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But it surely hasn't been[br]that many refugees,

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compared to the amount[br]Europe could admit.

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And the next question is[br]if you want to or not.

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And this is a political question.

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But with the population increase[br]that is happening in Africa, for example.

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One prognosis says there will be[br]four billion Africans in 2100.

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Europe will be under pressure.

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No. This will open [br]export opportunities for Europe.

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There will be enormous chances [br]for Danish companies to export goods.

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This is a promising economic future

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and the bosses [br]of the big companies can see it.

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The banks see it, too.[br]People are investing in Africa now.

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But a part of Africa [br]belongs to the poorest of all.

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It's like this,

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the bottom billion needs support.

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But these ones have come a long way.[br]They don't need support.

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They need a fabric factory[br]where they can work.

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They can build furniture[br]or Danish designs.

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They will contribute [br]to the world's economy.

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But the image you are painting,[br]based on facts and statistics,

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isn't this something [br]that can be abused politically?

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We have seen in many countries

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that even statistics[br]can be interpreted politically.

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I am not talking about statistics.[br]I am talking about reality.

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I am not talking about statistics.

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They are like the transmission[br]in the car that you are driving.

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I'm talking about reality,[br]the real people that exist

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and what they do.

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I am saying that most girls[br]in this world attend school.

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One of ten doesn't go to school,[br]or one in seven doesn't go to school.

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This is not statistics.[br]It's about girls.

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There's this notion[br]that numbers are something else.

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It's exactly like money.[br]Money is an opportunity, a resource.

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if you want to understand the world,[br]you have to grasp the order of magnitude.

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And strangely enough,[br]the big company bosses understand it.

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Novo – there's a fantastic Danish[br]pharmaceutical company.

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They don't just export into the richest[br]countries, but the whole way down.

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They need Danish medication[br]all the way to here.

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This policy works superbly for them.

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Open yourself up[br]with newly developed drugs

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that you can sell to the whole world.

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I understand what you are saying,[br]but from a media perspective,

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not just here, but the media in general,

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so many media report [br]about the present state of the world.

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And right now that's war, conflict,[br]chaos, riots and many negative ...

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No. No, no, no. That's just wrong.[br]Straight out wrong.

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There was a fantastic election in Nigeria,

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a democratic election [br]in Africa's largest nation.

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A mediocre government was replaced[br]with a very competent leader,

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Mohamed, the new one, who received support[br]from the entire population.

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There was a fantastic election[br]last year in Indonesia.

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Look at the progress India has made.

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Yesterday, India declared [br]it was free of tetanus.

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But Nigeria is in a terror war[br]with Boko Haram.

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Yes, a small part of Nigeria. [br]Not the rest.

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Nigeria has a fast economic growth[br]and decreasing child mortality.

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If you choose to only look[br]at my shoe instead of at me,

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and it's an ugly shoe, [br]that's just a part of me.

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You see a different part[br]if you choose to show my face.

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You show a little part[br]and call it the world.

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It is important to show the big changes,[br]that girls go to school,

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that children receive vaccines,[br]that most people have electricity at home,

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that humans are able professionals[br]all over the world.

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That's important to show,

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but that change happens so slowly[br]that it doesn't show up in the news.

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But can you not argue that[br]the negative focus of media on stories

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that you say is only[br]a part of the big picture

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is helping to start a positive development

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because it makes politicians[br]and volunteer organizations

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want to improve the situation?

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You can't use media [br]if you want to understand the world.

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You have a point there!

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You need a basic school education.

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And then, you have to follow up[br]on some basic facts.

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That's why we have more than media.[br]Books are published about this.

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We have other resources[br]for further education and training.

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You need to have a view [br]on the world that's correct.

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If you believe that the larger part[br]of the world's population is very poor,

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that the girls don't attend school,[br]that children are not vaccinated,

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and that they are trying to get

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into these rich countries as refugees,

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then you don't have a clue.

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You have to understand that[br]there are countries of all levels,

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and that most of them [br]are somewhere in the middle.

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They go to school, they are vaccinated,[br]and they have two-child families.

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You mentioned population growth.

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The number of children on Earth[br]has stopped rising.

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The number of children on Earth[br]has stopped rising,

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because most people[br]are using contraceptives.

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And Danish journalists didn't know this[br]when I asked them.

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You talked to my colleagues.

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They would do well to learn it!

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I can see the fire in your eyes,[br]because this is a big story.

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What have we missed?

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No clue.

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You have to be critical.

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Everybody has to be critical,[br]from time to time,

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and think about[br]what they are doing.

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You people do a lot of things well.

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You give a great insight into people.

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You have a great way [br]to convey feelings.

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But with facts ...

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You are good [br]with facts of concrete events,

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But you are bad at the big picture.

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What we have learned in school[br]is not being updated.

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What we learned when we were 15 or 20[br]stays with us for our whole life,

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and it's no good,[br]with the changes we see today.

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You have said that there's a mix[br]of ignorance and arrogance.

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How does arrogance play into this?

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There is a kind of notion that India[br]won't become like Europe.

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I often use a video called

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"The magical washing machine".

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There are many in Europe

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who cannot imagine that every family[br]in the world would have a washing machine.

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Yet at the same time, [br]they are using a washing machine.

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I talked to environmentalists

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who are very involved[br]in protecting the environment

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and stopping climate change,[br]which is what I want, too.

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I am just as involved as they are.

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But they say: Not everybody [br]can have a washing machine and car.

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Maybe they don't have a car themselves,[br]but they do have a washing machine.

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You can't say:

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"You can't have a washing machine,[br]but I'll have one."

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A world like that won't work,

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and therefore we have to make[br]smart washing machines

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that use less water and energy,[br]and environment-friendly chemicals.

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And the bosses of the largest[br]washing machine factories get that.

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They say: We'll make [br]smarter washing machines.

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We will make them cheaper.

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We will have iPhone washing machines,[br]as smart as a mobile phone.

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But isn't that a long-term thought?

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If you look at how the world's riches[br]are distributed,

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you can still see an enormous difference

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between the small, rich, old[br]and mostly Western world and the rest.

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This is the image the media draw up.

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You are totally wrong!

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Thanks! How am I wrong?

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It's wrong because the people on Earth[br]who can take a plane on their holidays,

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the ones on this economic level,

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about half of them [br]lives in the Western world.

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There is no big difference,[br]that what I'm saying,

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most people live in the middle.

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Here are the poorest, [br]they are like Denmark in 1850.

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And over here,[br]it's like Denmark in 1950.

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Denmark wasn't doing so bad then.

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And these people live somewhere[br]in the middle.

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And they are moving quite fast.

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And you talk of them [br]like they weren't there!

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This is just totally wrong.

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There is a large center here,[br]similar to Denmark in the 20th century.

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They have bikes, they have electricity,[br]they have two children,

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they use condoms,[br]they are modern people,

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but they earn low wages.

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Many of them are good workers.

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They would like to go abroad and earn [br]some more now that they're good workers.

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How do you know that?[br]What do you base your knowledge on?

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I am just using normal statistics[br]from the World Bank and the UN,

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they are not controversial.

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This is not a thing you can discuss,[br]I am right and you are wrong.