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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... wanted to be able to use
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thunderbird and GnuPG together with Tor,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we thought:
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, it would be really easy, I bet,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to configure Thunderbird to work with Tor
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- hah - so a new Free software project
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was born.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a really simple thing, but basically
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just a package
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that hooks it all together.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of people were using Thunderbird
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and TorBirdy, and GnuPG, and Tor,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Debian, together for email,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,combined with Riseup as an email service.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a literally a real peer to peer,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Free software driven set of things,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually, that made it possible.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[question]:\NSo one thing I never understood about this
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,process was exactly how the documents were
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,handled, and maybe that's because nobody
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wants to say, but, you know, did you leave
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them on a server somewhere and download
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them, hand them over to people, and who
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took what where, and how do you...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in case I need to do something really
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dangerous with a load of documents,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the best way of doing it?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hmm!
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a good thing
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this isn't being streamed.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, what?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a voice from god,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what did she say?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said good we aren't streaming tonight.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh yeah, so hello to all of our friends
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in domestic and international
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance services.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, so I won't answer your question,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but since you asked the question,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's my turn to talk.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what I would say is that...
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to do clandestine activities
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you fear for your life for,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to really think about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the situation that you're in
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very carefully.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so a big part of this is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operational security
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a big part of that is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compartmentalization.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So certain people had access
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to certain things,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but maybe they couldn't decrypt them,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and certain things were moved around,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's on a need to know basis,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those people who knew,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not me - I don't know anything,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what you're talking about.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those people knew, and then you know,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it'll go with them to their grave.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you're interested in being the next
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to do your homework
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in finding people that will be able to do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the other part of it, let's say.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But just in general, I mean
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compartmentalization is key, right.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not just for AppArmor profiles.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you need to think about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you want to do.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I mean a big part of this is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to consider that the network itself
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the enemy, even though is useful
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for communicating.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all the metadata that exists
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the network could have
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tipped people of, could have caused this
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole thing to fall apart.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It really is amazing, I feel like you know
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two and half, three years ago,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you talk about Free software,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you talk about the idea of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Free software,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you talk about issues relating to
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,autonomy and privacy, and security
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a really different reception now
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than you did then,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's really what it took
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to turn the world half a degree,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a quarter of a degree or something.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm not going to tell you about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,detailed plans for conspiracy,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I highly encourage you to read about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,South African history, in particular
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the history of Umkhonto we Sizwe.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are the clandestine communications
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group for MK, or rather the operation
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who lay inside of MK, which is
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Umkhonto we Sizwe,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are sort of with
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the African National Congress,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those people have published so many
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,books about the revolutionary activities
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to overthrow the apartheid state.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you read these books, especially
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the book "Operation Vula"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and "Armed and Dangerous"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Ronnie Kasrils
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they give you some idea about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you need to do
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is to compartmentalize,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to find people to do various tasks,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specific tasks,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to work on building trust
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with each other, what that looks like,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to identify political targets,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how you might use things
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like communications technology
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to change the political topic on,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the discussion in general.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the best way to learn about
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these things is to study previous people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have tried to do that kind of stuff.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the NSA is not the apartheid regime of
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,South Africa,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are still lessons
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be learned there,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you really want to know the answer
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that, also Che Guevara's manual on
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guerilla warfare is very interesting,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a lot of other books like that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd be happy to talk about it
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with you later.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have nothing to do with anything
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we may or may not have done.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]