[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.37,0:00:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史:諗返我研究生第一年 Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.93,0:00:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當時我攤喺床 Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.93,0:00:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,食好多班傑利雪糕 Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.23,0:00:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,睇無聊電視 Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.92,0:00:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,或者聽 Taylor Swift 嘅歌 Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.14,0:00:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,嗰時我啱啱分咗手 Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.88,0:00:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.33,0:00:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以,第一次長時間,我喺度 Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.53,0:00:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,不斷回憶關於呢個人 Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.34,0:00:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我希望能夠擺脫呢種自我苦惱 Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.84,0:00:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,內臟似俾掏空一樣嘅感覺 Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.37,0:00:27.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,宜家,我係神經生物學家 Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.65,0:00:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因此我知道對舊情人嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.05,0:00:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同記憶中唔舒服嘅感覺 Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.19,0:00:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,大部分係由獨立嘅腦部系統所介導 Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.83,0:00:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以,我喺度諗,如果我哋可以進入大腦 Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.19,0:00:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,剪走嗰種令人作嘔嘅感覺 Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.28,0:00:43.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但仍然保持對舊情人嘅完整記憶,係會點? Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.25,0:00:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後我認識到,呢個諗法目前嚟講仲係做唔到 Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.66,0:00:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,咁我哋係咪可以由進入大腦、尋找單一記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.46,0:00:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,著手? Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.09,0:00:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可唔可以將記憶帶返嚟現實生活 Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.60,0:00:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,甚至操作記憶? Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.47,0:00:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但到呢一刻,我真心希望一個人 Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.70,0:01:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,冇睇到呢場演講 Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.76,0:01:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.70,0:01:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以篇講稿有陷阱,有陷阱! Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.98,0:01:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢啲諗法或者令你哋諗起電影《全面回憶》 Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.77,0:01:13.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,《暖暖內含光》 Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.75,0:01:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,或者《盜夢空間》 Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.05,0:01:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但同我哋實驗室合作嘅明星 Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.63,0:01:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,位位都係星光熠熠 Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.57,0:01:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉:但呢啲明星只不過係實驗室嘅老鼠 Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.47,0:01:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.60,0:01:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,身為神經生物學家,我哋喺實驗室用老鼠 Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.75,0:01:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,去睇下記憶點樣運作 Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.16,0:01:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,今日,我哋希望令你相信 Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.73,0:01:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,宜家我哋能夠以光速啟動 Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.95,0:01:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,大腦嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.12,0:01:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,為咗令你哋相信,你哋只需要簡單做兩樣嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.22,0:01:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,首先,你搵同埋標記大腦裏邊嘅一個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.73,0:01:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後用開關激活個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.36,0:01:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就係咁簡單 Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.81,0:01:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.63,0:01:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰你哋信未? Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.47,0:01:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,實際上喺大腦裏面搵一個記憶並唔係咁容易 Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.20,0:01:57.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰冇錯 Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.100,0:02:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢樣比喺禾稈裏面搵一支針仲難 Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.40,0:02:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為至少支針你哋 Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.99,0:02:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,仲可以實在咁掂到 Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.49,0:02:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但記憶唔係 Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.47,0:02:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而且,大腦裏面嘅細胞數量 Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.51,0:02:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,多過禾稈裡面嘅雜草數目 Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.57,0:02:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,的確,個項目睇起嚟幾令人心灰意冷 Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.45,0:02:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但係幸運嘅係,我哋由大腦自身獲得幫助 Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.13,0:02:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以我哋要做嘅就只係 Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.58,0:02:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,畀大腦形成一個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.58,0:02:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後大腦會話畀我哋聽邊啲細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.41,0:02:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,參與形成記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.17,0:02:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰咁當我諗返前度嘅時候 Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.53,0:02:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,大腦會有咩變化? Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.62,0:02:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,如果你唔講人道主義 Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.03,0:02:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,將我嘅大腦切片 Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.70,0:02:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你會發現當我諗返前度時 Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.71,0:02:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,有非常多嘅大腦區域會被刺激 Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.89,0:02:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而其中一個強烈活躍嘅區域 Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.80,0:02:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,係海馬體 Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.81,0:02:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,一個幾十年嚟被認為 Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.26,0:02:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,會處理近期同親切記憶嘅區域 Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.68,0:02:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以佢都係一個理想地方 Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.26,0:03:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,畀人可以進入、尋找同啟動記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.04,0:03:03.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰當你令用顯微鏡觀察海馬體 Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.43,0:03:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,唔單止會見到好多細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.78,0:03:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋仲能夠搵到嗰啲參與 Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.81,0:03:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,某個記憶嘅細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.29,0:03:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為當細胞活動時 Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.91,0:03:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,例如當細胞建立某種記憶時 Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.37,0:03:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,細胞會留低痕跡 Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.13,0:03:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋就可以透過痕跡知道最近邊啲細胞啟動過 Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.83,0:03:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰呢樣就好似夜晚寫字樓著咗燈 Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.99,0:03:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你會知道有人做緊嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.94,0:03:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同樣細胞都有咁嘅燈,不過叫生物感應器 Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.23,0:03:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當細胞做緊嘢嘅時候 Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.18,0:03:33.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,生物感應器會著 Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.32,0:03:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,生物感應器就好似盞燈一樣 Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.19,0:03:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,畀我哋知道細胞活動 Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.17,0:03:39.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰所以我哋將生物感應器 Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.100,0:03:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,連接到開關,控制呢啲細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.14,0:03:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋將呢個開關擺喺一個改造過嘅病毒裏面 Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.04,0:03:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,將病毒注入老鼠大腦 Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.63,0:03:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,於是當一個記憶形成嗰陣 Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.27,0:03:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,任何參與在內嘅細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.62,0:03:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,都會裝上呢個開關 Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.36,0:03:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰例如,呢個就係海馬體建立咗一個 Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.98,0:04:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,恐懼記憶之後嘅樣 Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.82,0:04:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢張相藍色部分 Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.96,0:04:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就係密集嘅腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.91,0:04:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而呢啲綠色嘅腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.46,0:04:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就係參與 Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.56,0:04:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,形成恐懼記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.40,0:04:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你哋宜家睇到嘅 Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.38,0:04:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,係恐懼快速形成嘅過程 Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.76,0:04:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,正確啲嚟講係記憶嘅橫切面 Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.26,0:04:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰我哋一直討論緊嘅開關 Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.67,0:04:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,需要快 Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.64,0:04:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,佢唔可以花幾分鐘或者幾個鐘去做到 Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.22,0:04:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,佢應該以大腦嘅速度去做,即係以幾微秒為限 Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.48,0:04:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰劉,咁你點睇? Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.91,0:04:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可唔可以用,例如藥物 Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.51,0:04:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,去啟動或者熄咗大腦細胞? Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.35,0:04:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰唔得。因為藥物會擴散,好麻煩 Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.42,0:04:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而且藥物作用係永遠嘅 Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.42,0:04:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以我哋唔能夠用藥物即時控制記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.07,0:04:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,咁史蒂夫,用電控制大腦你覺得點? Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.37,0:04:54.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰電非常之快 Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.67,0:04:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但係我哋未必可以將電帶到 Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.41,0:04:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,負責某個記憶嘅細胞當中 Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.76,0:05:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋甚至乎會灼傷大腦 Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.64,0:05:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰哦。 的確係 Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.84,0:05:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以我哋應該搵更好嘅方法 Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.45,0:05:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,例如嘗試以光速進入大腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.74,0:05:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰正因為光本身就有光速 Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.83,0:05:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,或者我哋可以用光 Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.31,0:05:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,嚟到激活同熄咗記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.81,0:05:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰光速非常快 Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.16,0:05:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而且由於正常嘅大腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.05,0:05:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,對光冇反應 Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.64,0:05:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因此嗰啲對光有反應嘅細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.60,0:05:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就係含有光敏感開關嘅細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.06,0:05:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,為咗令呢啲細胞對激光有反應,我哋首先要呃腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.47,0:05:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉:你哋冇聽錯 Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.54,0:05:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋嘗試將激光射入大腦 Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.67,0:05:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.41,0:05:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋靠嘅技術就係光遺傳學 Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.74,0:05:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,光遺傳學畀咗光敏感開關我哋 Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.02,0:05:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令我哋能夠啟動或者熄咗腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.53,0:05:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而呢個光敏感開關個名叫做光敏感通道 Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.04,0:05:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就係黏著腦細胞嘅綠色小點 Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.58,0:05:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你哋可以將光敏感通道當做一種對光敏感 Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.88,0:05:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,可以俾人安裝入腦細胞嘅開關 Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.51,0:05:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以,宜家我哋可以簡單襟個開關 Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.42,0:06:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,啟動或熄咗腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.44,0:06:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,喺呢個情況,我哋用光脈衝嚟開開關 Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.90,0:06:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰我哋將呢種光敏感通道嘅光敏感開關 Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.69,0:06:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,擺喺生物感應器上 Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.90,0:06:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,並注入大腦 Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.35,0:06:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當一個記憶形成嘅時候 Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.56,0:06:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,有份形成嗰個記憶嘅細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.79,0:06:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,都會有呢個光敏感開關 Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.27,0:06:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,咁樣我哋就可以 Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.68,0:06:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,通過照射咁樣嘅激光,嚟控制呢啲細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.94,0:06:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰宜家就係測試所有嘢嘅時間 Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.80,0:06:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋能夠做嘅就係將老鼠 Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.94,0:06:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,放入一個咁嘅盒 Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.87,0:06:38.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後輕微點擊老鼠足部 Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.21,0:06:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令老鼠對呢個盒產生一個恐懼記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.24,0:06:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令佢哋知道盒入面有唔好嘅嘢發生 Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.22,0:06:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,喺老鼠嘅海馬體裏面 Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.56,0:06:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,形成呢一個記憶嘅活躍細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.49,0:06:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,都會有光敏感通道 Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.38,0:06:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰當你有一隻老鼠咁細 Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.39,0:06:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你會覺得成個世界都喺度想捉你 Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.99,0:06:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以,你最好嘅防衛 Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.74,0:07:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,係收埋自己、唔被發現 Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.22,0:07:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當老鼠處於恐懼狀態 Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.25,0:07:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就會表現出呢一種典型行為 Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.78,0:07:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,即係呆喺盒嘅角落 Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.55,0:07:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,唔郁 Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.66,0:07:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢一種狀態我哋稱之為「靜止」 Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.96,0:07:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,如果老鼠記得個盒有唔好嘅事發生 Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.25,0:07:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當我哋將佢哋放返同一個盒時 Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.88,0:07:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,佢哋本能反應就係靜止唔郁 Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.68,0:07:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,咁係因為佢哋唔想俾盒裡面 Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.96,0:07:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,任何潛在嘅威脅物發現 Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.66,0:07:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰因此,你哋可以將「靜止」諗成 Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.02,0:07:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你喺街行,腦裡面諗著自己嘅嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.23,0:07:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後幾乎要撞到你嘅 Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.96,0:07:34.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,前女友或者前男友 Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.15,0:07:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,喺呢兩秒裏面 Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.28,0:07:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,你會諗「我做咩好?打招呼? Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.16,0:07:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同佢握手? 抑或轉身走? Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.52,0:07:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我係咪應該坐喺度扮唔存在?」 Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.55,0:07:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢啲突然喺腦海出現嘅諗法令你無法控制自己嘅身體 Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.74,0:07:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令你暫時流露出孤獨無助嘅表情 Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.48,0:07:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰但係,如果你將老鼠放喺一個完全唔一樣嘅 Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.78,0:07:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,新籠裡面,好似跟著落嚟呢個咁 Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.94,0:07:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,老鼠就唔會驚呢個籠 Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.08,0:08:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為老鼠冇理由去驚呢個新環境 Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.81,0:08:03.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但如果我哋將老鼠放喺新籠裡面 Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.99,0:08:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同時用我哋用激光 Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.60,0:08:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,啟動恐懼記憶嘅話,會發生啲咩? Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.28,0:08:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋係咪可以喺一個完全唔一樣嘅環境裏面 Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.14,0:08:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,喚醒返老鼠對第一個籠嘅恐懼記憶? Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.13,0:08:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰呢個係價值百萬美元嘅實驗 Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.87,0:08:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,宜家我哋講返當日嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.78,0:08:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我記得嗰日波士頓紅襪隊贏咗比賽 Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.96,0:08:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,嗰日又係一個生機勃勃嘅春天日子 Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.87,0:08:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,極適合喺河邊散步 Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.69,0:08:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同埋去 North End Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.02,0:08:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,買一啲甜酥卷 Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.18,0:08:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,另一方面,我同劉 Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.29,0:08:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,喺一個冇窗、全黑嘅房裡面 Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.12,0:08:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,眼球郁都唔動,因為隻眼郁嘅話離遠睇似係眨眼 Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.78,0:08:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以我哋眼都冇眨咁望著電腦螢幕 Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.24,0:08:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋喺度望緊隻老鼠,嘗試第一次用 Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.80,0:08:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋嘅技術去啟動一個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.68,0:08:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰呢個就係我哋睇到嘅 Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.37,0:08:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當我哋第一次將老鼠放入呢個籠 Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.57,0:08:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,老鼠會探索,聞嘢,周圍走 Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.68,0:08:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,做自己嘅嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.37,0:09:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為老鼠 Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.07,0:09:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,天生係好好奇嘅動物 Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.05,0:09:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,佢哋想知道,呢個新嘅籠有乜嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.68,0:09:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,老鼠好得意 Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.21,0:09:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但當我哋啟動激光嘅一刻,就好似你宜家睇到咁 Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.66,0:09:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,老鼠即刻進入靜止狀態 Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.69,0:09:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,老鼠呆咗,唔郁 Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.12,0:09:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,好明顯,老鼠定咗型 Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.75,0:09:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,睇上嚟,我哋做到將第一個籠嘅恐懼記憶帶到去 Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.33,0:09:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,全新環境 Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.76,0:09:29.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,當我哋睇到結果,史蒂夫同我 Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.87,0:09:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,都震驚咗,就好似隻老鼠一樣 Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.01,0:09:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.27,0:09:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,實驗完咗之後,我哋離開間房 Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.58,0:09:38.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,冇講過嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.33,0:09:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,經過好長又尷尬嘅一段時間 Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.72,0:09:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史蒂夫終於打破沉默 Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.94,0:09:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰我當時話「我哋嘅技術係得嘅? 」 Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.28,0:09:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉:我話「係,真係得咗! 」 Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.25,0:09:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋對結果都非常激動 Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.37,0:09:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後我哋將個發現 Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.99,0:09:55.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,刊登喺自然期刊度 Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.69,0:09:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,自從發表咗我哋嘅研究之後 Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.16,0:10:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋喺網上 Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.58,0:10:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,收到好多留言 Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.70,0:10:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可以睇其中一啲 Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.45,0:10:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[天啊。最後…有咁多嘢!虛幻科技、神經控制、視覺夢想嘅再現、神經編碼、「寫同重寫記憶 」、 精神疾病。 將來係咁好嘅。 ] Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.91,0:10:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰首先你會注意到啲人 Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.91,0:10:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,對呢項研究有好強烈嘅意見 Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.81,0:10:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,宜家,我開始非常認同 Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.36,0:10:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,第一個人嘅樂觀睇法 Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.18,0:10:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為相對於Morgan Freeman 嘅評論 Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.99,0:10:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢個係我有生以嚟 Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.11,0:10:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,聽到最好嘅讚美說話 Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.66,0:10:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(笑聲) Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.86,0:10:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但係就好似你哋睇到嘅一樣,呢個並唔係唯一嘅意見 Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.81,0:10:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ 太不可思議啦…如果佢哋可以喺幾年內將呢種技術應用到人身上會點? 天啊!我哋命中註定係咁。] Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.37,0:10:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰如果我哋睇睇第二個留言 Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.29,0:10:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我諗我哋全部人都覺得嗰個人講嘅嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.40,0:10:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,冇咁正面 Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.77,0:10:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但呢樣都提醒我哋 Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.96,0:10:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,雖然我哋宜家仍然以老鼠做實驗對象 Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.14,0:10:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但我哋確實應該開始思考同討論 Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.66,0:10:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,記憶控制 Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.65,0:10:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,帶嚟嘅道德爭議 Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.60,0:10:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰透過第三個留言 Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.80,0:10:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我想話畀你哋聽一個我哋最近喺實驗室 Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.77,0:10:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,開展嘅項目,叫「盜夢空間」 Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.20,0:10:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ 「佢哋應該整一部關於呢樣嘢嘅電影。 當佢哋將記憶植入人嘅意識裏面,佢哋就能夠控制人,從而達到個人利益。 我哋會叫佢做「盜夢空間」。 ] Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.44,0:11:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以我哋開始諗,雖然我哋可以重啟一個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.18,0:11:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但如果我哋唔小心改造咗個記憶,咁點呢? Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.13,0:11:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋會唔會將個記憶變成一個錯誤嘅記憶? Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.16,0:11:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰所有記憶都係複雜而且有動態變化 Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.26,0:11:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但我哋可以簡單將記憶當成係 Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.24,0:11:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,一齣電影 Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.64,0:11:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,正如我哋一路所講嘅,我哋可以控制 Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.31,0:11:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,電影嘅播放掣 Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.24,0:11:25.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,所以我哋可以隨時隨地播呢部電影 Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.83,0:11:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但有冇可能我哋可以進入大腦 Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.36,0:11:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,編輯呢部電影 Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.22,0:11:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令佢同原本有唔同? Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.12,0:11:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,係,我哋可以做到 Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.29,0:11:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋需要做嘅只係 Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.42,0:11:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,用我哋之前用過嘅激光,重新啟動一個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.70,0:11:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但係如果我哋同時將新嘅資訊 Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.14,0:11:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,擺落去舊嘅記憶當中 Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.11,0:11:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,舊嘅記憶會改變 Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.55,0:11:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就好似整混合錄音咁 Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.21,0:11:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰咁我哋點樣做呢? Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.07,0:12:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,與其喺大腦搵到恐懼記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.03,0:12:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可以喺動物裏面搵 Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.74,0:12:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,即係我哋將動物放入一個咁樣嘅藍色籠裡面 Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.68,0:12:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋喺動物個腦裏面搵返代表藍色籠嘅腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.17,0:12:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後我哋令呢啲腦細胞對光有反應 Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.24,0:12:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同我哋之前做嘅一模一樣 Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.36,0:12:14.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,第二日,我哋可以將動物放入 Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.49,0:12:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,一個佢哋從來冇遇過嘅紅色籠 Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.19,0:12:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可以向佢哋大腦照射激光 Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.21,0:12:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,重啟佢哋對藍色籠嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.32,0:12:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,咁當動物諗返藍色籠嘅嘢時 Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.07,0:12:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋對佢哋施加幾次輕微電擊 Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.96,0:12:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,會點呢? Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.60,0:12:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋就嘗試人為咁 Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.30,0:12:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令藍色籠嘅記憶同電擊關連起嚟 Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.21,0:12:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋想將兩樣嘢聯連埋一齊 Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.49,0:12:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,為咗證實我哋成功 Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.04,0:12:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋再將老鼠 Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.36,0:12:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,放入藍色籠 Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.31,0:12:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋只係重啟老鼠對藍色籠嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.05,0:12:45.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但老鼠卻感覺到足部有微弱電擊 Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.22,0:12:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,然後老鼠突然靜止唔郁 Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.59,0:12:50.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就算,實際上冇電擊都好 Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.79,0:12:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但老鼠始終記返起被電擊 Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.79,0:12:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因此,老鼠形成咗一個錯誤嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.65,0:12:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為技術上嚟講,佢 Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.66,0:12:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,驚錯咗一個環境 Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.92,0:13:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而嗰個環境實際上冇電擊發生 Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.27,0:13:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰目前為止,我哋只係討論咗 Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.72,0:13:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢種用光控制嘅開掣 Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.08,0:13:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,其實我哋都有光控制嘅閂掣 Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.37,0:13:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,而且我哋可以好容易想像到 Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.45,0:13:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,通過安裝呢種光控制嘅閂掣 Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.93,0:13:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可以隨時隨地閂咗一個記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.52,0:13:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋今日所講嘅嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.73,0:13:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,都係基於神經科學一條哲學性嘅原理 Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.41,0:13:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,就係,思想睇起嚟好神秘 Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.53,0:13:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但佢實際上係由物質組成、可以俾我哋利用嘅嘢 Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.17,0:13:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰ Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.65,0:13:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我見到一個世界,我哋可以重新啟動 Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.23,0:13:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,任何我哋鍾意嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.34,0:13:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我仲見到一個世界,我哋可以抹走我哋唔想要嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.64,0:13:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,宜家,我甚至見到,記憶編輯 Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.58,0:13:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,已經成為現實中嘅一部分 Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.12,0:13:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為我哋生活嘅時代 Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.82,0:13:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,已經有可能將科幻小說裡邊嘅問題 Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.05,0:13:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,通過實驗將佢哋帶到嚟現實世界 Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.47,0:13:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰宜家,我哋實驗室嘅人員 Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.35,0:13:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同全世界嘅人員 Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.74,0:14:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,都用緊類似嘅方法啟動或者編輯記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.55,0:14:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,無論嗰啲記憶係舊、係新、係正面、係負面 Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.40,0:14:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,總之所有類型嘅記憶——等我哋能夠了解 Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.07,0:14:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,記憶係點樣運作嘅 Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.93,0:14:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰例如,我哋實驗室嘅一個團隊 Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.72,0:14:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,發現咗形成恐懼記憶嘅腦細胞 Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.35,0:14:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,並將嗰啲腦細胞轉化成快樂記憶,就好似嗰個咁 Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.13,0:14:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,嗰個就係我想講嘅編輯過程 Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.19,0:14:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,宜家,實驗室人員甚至可以喺雄性老鼠當中 Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.00,0:14:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,啟動佢哋對雌性老鼠嘅記憶 Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.50,0:14:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,有流傳話隻老鼠經歷得好愉快 Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.50,0:14:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,劉︰我哋正生活喺一個好開心嘅時刻 Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.62,0:14:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為呢一刻科學除咗受制於我哋嘅想像力之外,就再冇限制 Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.61,0:14:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,史︰最後,我哋做到啲咩呢? Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.75,0:14:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋點樣繼續發展呢一個技術? Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.72,0:14:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,呢啲問題唔應該剩係留返畀 Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.56,0:14:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,實驗室嘅人解答 Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.24,0:14:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋今日演講嘅目的就係令所有人 Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.81,0:14:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,知道現代神經科學有可能嘅事 Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.51,0:14:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,但宜家重要嘅,係 Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.02,0:14:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,令所有人都參與個討論 Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.35,0:14:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,等我哋好似一個團隊咁一齊諗下神經科學可以做到啲咩 Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.68,0:15:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,我哋可以點樣繼續往前走 Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.16,0:15:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,因為劉同我都認為我哋所有人面前都有 Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.26,0:15:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,一啲重大決定要做 Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.79,0:15:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,多謝\N劉︰多謝 Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.92,0:15:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(鼓掌)