[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Fred Wilson: Beauty & Ugliness] Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beauty... Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beauty, beauty, beauty... Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm really interested in beauty. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Venice Biennale, 2003] Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm interested in beauty Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you think of beauty as Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"an ultimate visual experience." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm also interested in beauty Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that it can hide meaning. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world is complex, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and often we try to Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,separate out all of these experiences. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This is beautiful." "This is ugly." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This is a beautiful experience--that's all it is..." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"...there is no meaning." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Or, the meaning is not important." Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People have to deal with the fact that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is meaning in beauty-- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is meaning in ugliness. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[The Studio Museum in Harlem, 2004] Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, in a lot of my work--if I can-- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try to bring out that tension. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whipping post and chairs is a perfect example Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because chairs are really beautiful; Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whipping post is certainly not. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whipping post and chairs were from the first exhibition I did Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with museum collections. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was at the Maryland Historical Society in 1992. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very traditional display in a certain way. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no manipulation of the objects Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than their positioning. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that changes the meaning, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the relationship, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or how you think about them. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is everything that I'm about Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm working with museums Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and quite often when I'm working in my studio. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Looking at high-end decorative arts in the chairs Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the whipping post, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a very different history, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it relates very directly in that Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those people who sat in the chairs Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had some relationship with Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those who were on the whipping post. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not acknowledging that things are complex-- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that beauty is complex-- Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that that's the problem, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people want to do that. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I enjoy making it complex for people, Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LAUGHS] Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's my world, you know. Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[LAUGHS]