WEBVTT 00:00:09.476 --> 00:00:12.395 So when I was 15 years old, 00:00:12.395 --> 00:00:15.231 I felt my first real life calling. 00:00:16.011 --> 00:00:17.900 Thanks to a group of Olympic athletes 00:00:17.900 --> 00:00:22.210 who were coaching kids for free right here in San Jose, 00:00:22.219 --> 00:00:23.884 I fell in love 00:00:23.884 --> 00:00:27.707 with one of the most obscure sports in the world: 00:00:27.707 --> 00:00:29.249 the hammer throw. 00:00:29.249 --> 00:00:32.938 Now, I imagine you're all familiar with the shot put, the discus, 00:00:32.938 --> 00:00:34.874 maybe even the javelin. 00:00:34.874 --> 00:00:37.471 So here's the moment you've all been waiting for: 00:00:37.471 --> 00:00:39.631 Hammer Throwing 101. 00:00:39.631 --> 00:00:42.048 Imagine you took a 16-pound bowling ball, 00:00:42.048 --> 00:00:44.751 and you lodged a broomstick into it, 00:00:44.751 --> 00:00:48.941 and then you spun it around so fast that the ball went 60 mph, 00:00:48.941 --> 00:00:51.685 and it built up centrifugal force 00:00:51.685 --> 00:00:54.251 up to 500 lbs. 00:00:54.251 --> 00:00:56.864 And then you let go at just the right moment 00:00:56.864 --> 00:01:00.419 so that it could fly higher than an eight-story building 00:01:00.419 --> 00:01:02.931 and nearly the length of a football field. 00:01:02.931 --> 00:01:04.912 And that gives you some sense 00:01:04.912 --> 00:01:08.432 of the unique difficulty and appeal of hammer throwing. 00:01:08.432 --> 00:01:11.195 But despite having the best teachers in the world, 00:01:11.195 --> 00:01:14.017 the first day did not go well. 00:01:14.017 --> 00:01:16.743 In fact, I fell down. 00:01:16.743 --> 00:01:18.617 Couldn't have done worse. 00:01:19.467 --> 00:01:22.758 But I got back up, 00:01:22.758 --> 00:01:24.000 took thousands of throws, 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.360 and got better over time. 00:01:26.360 --> 00:01:28.378 So while I started at zero, 00:01:28.378 --> 00:01:30.148 by the time I was a senior, 00:01:30.148 --> 00:01:34.021 I had the farthest throw for a high school student in the country; 00:01:34.021 --> 00:01:36.031 earned a scholarship to Georgetown - 00:01:36.031 --> 00:01:37.496 go, Hoyas! - 00:01:37.496 --> 00:01:39.749 in 1996, I made my first Olympic team; 00:01:39.749 --> 00:01:42.218 and eventually I threw 260 feet, 00:01:42.218 --> 00:01:45.633 which is one of the farthest throws in American history. 00:01:45.633 --> 00:01:47.983 (Applause) 00:01:52.559 --> 00:01:53.721 Thank you. 00:01:53.721 --> 00:01:55.855 But to be honest with you, 00:01:55.855 --> 00:01:59.585 the real benefits of that activity ... 00:02:00.835 --> 00:02:03.246 were that it paid for my education, 00:02:03.246 --> 00:02:05.249 it allowed me to see the world, 00:02:05.249 --> 00:02:08.071 and it allowed me to form lifelong relationships 00:02:08.071 --> 00:02:10.415 with some very amazing people. 00:02:10.415 --> 00:02:13.696 But as an educator these last 20 years, 00:02:13.696 --> 00:02:15.258 I often wonder 00:02:15.258 --> 00:02:18.164 what would have happened to my Olympic dream 00:02:18.164 --> 00:02:20.664 if I had been graded 00:02:20.664 --> 00:02:24.004 in the same way that we grade kids in the classroom. 00:02:24.004 --> 00:02:27.256 Quick history of letter grading in the United States. 00:02:27.256 --> 00:02:30.452 Letter grading actually started in 1897 00:02:30.452 --> 00:02:32.348 out in Mount Holyoke College, 00:02:32.348 --> 00:02:36.678 where they decided to grade their students' work from A through E. 00:02:36.678 --> 00:02:37.682 Now, one year later, 00:02:37.682 --> 00:02:42.272 they realized that E was being confused with excellent. 00:02:42.272 --> 00:02:43.267 (Laughter) 00:02:43.267 --> 00:02:46.459 And that's where we get the F that we all know and dread. 00:02:46.459 --> 00:02:47.999 (Laughter) 00:02:47.999 --> 00:02:53.509 So we're talking about a 120-year-old way of assessing students. 00:02:53.509 --> 00:02:55.001 Now, assessment is great. 00:02:55.001 --> 00:02:59.771 I spent probably more time watching video of hammer throwing 00:02:59.771 --> 00:03:01.732 than I did actually throwing. 00:03:01.732 --> 00:03:05.238 But letter grades present a number of serious problems. 00:03:05.238 --> 00:03:06.448 Number one: 00:03:06.448 --> 00:03:08.917 Letter grades are unreasonably permanent. 00:03:08.917 --> 00:03:10.975 So let's go back to my Olympic story. 00:03:10.975 --> 00:03:13.004 On day one, I would have gotten an F. 00:03:13.994 --> 00:03:16.431 By the end of the semester, probably a D. 00:03:16.431 --> 00:03:20.006 Now, as a senior, I was leading the country; 00:03:20.006 --> 00:03:21.636 I'll take the A. 00:03:22.477 --> 00:03:25.990 But all of this is going to be averaged. 00:03:25.990 --> 00:03:29.945 And so I probably got about a 2.5 GPA in hammer throwing. 00:03:29.945 --> 00:03:34.109 And with a 2.5, colleges would say I'm not ready for the next level, 00:03:34.109 --> 00:03:37.769 and my Olympic dream would be over almost before it began. 00:03:37.769 --> 00:03:41.529 Now, you might be thinking, "OK. Well, that's sports. Different from academia." 00:03:42.489 --> 00:03:45.988 Well, let's check in with your typical high school freshman. 00:03:45.988 --> 00:03:47.972 Let's call him Doug. 00:03:47.972 --> 00:03:49.260 So Doug, 00:03:49.260 --> 00:03:53.660 for whatever completely rational reason, 00:03:53.660 --> 00:03:57.486 he bombs his first biology test his freshman year. 00:03:57.486 --> 00:03:59.489 Maybe he has the flu. 00:03:59.489 --> 00:04:01.761 Maybe something's going on at home. 00:04:01.761 --> 00:04:03.747 But he starts off with an F. 00:04:03.747 --> 00:04:05.758 He gets better over time. 00:04:05.758 --> 00:04:10.606 By the end of the semester, Doug is the best biology student in the class. 00:04:10.606 --> 00:04:13.763 But it's all going to be averaged, 00:04:13.763 --> 00:04:15.989 so Doug gets a C+, 00:04:15.989 --> 00:04:19.248 and that C+, it's forever. 00:04:19.248 --> 00:04:20.683 So Doug as a senior 00:04:20.683 --> 00:04:22.753 could go on to do research 00:04:22.753 --> 00:04:26.723 worthy of a Nobel Prize in Biology 00:04:26.723 --> 00:04:28.486 but cannot get a 4.0. 00:04:28.486 --> 00:04:30.760 And I want you to think about Doug's situation. 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:33.257 How many of us, if we were in a footrace, 00:04:33.257 --> 00:04:34.936 if you fell down at the start, 00:04:34.936 --> 00:04:38.739 and you knew you had no chance of winning or even placing well, 00:04:38.739 --> 00:04:41.995 would get back and run all out? 00:04:41.995 --> 00:04:44.137 That's really hard to do. 00:04:44.137 --> 00:04:46.438 Or consider the role reversal. 00:04:46.438 --> 00:04:49.980 I know hundreds of teachers, and I don't think there's any one of them 00:04:49.980 --> 00:04:53.575 who would want a grade on their first year of teaching 00:04:53.575 --> 00:04:56.748 that stuck to them for the entirety of their career. 00:04:56.748 --> 00:04:58.244 I know I wouldn't. 00:04:58.244 --> 00:05:00.781 What we're missing out on is the do-over. 00:05:00.781 --> 00:05:02.694 Everything that we do in life - 00:05:02.694 --> 00:05:05.038 you know, our basic life skills - 00:05:05.038 --> 00:05:07.030 we're terrible at them at the beginning. 00:05:07.030 --> 00:05:09.733 From walking to talking to riding a bike, 00:05:09.733 --> 00:05:12.502 we all get better by a process of do-overs. 00:05:12.502 --> 00:05:14.430 Or take design. 00:05:14.430 --> 00:05:16.469 This is a Ted event after all. 00:05:16.469 --> 00:05:18.847 The logo that everybody knows 00:05:18.847 --> 00:05:21.918 because of the cool arrow in the negative space, 00:05:21.918 --> 00:05:23.691 the FedEx logo there, 00:05:23.691 --> 00:05:27.770 famously went through 200 iterations before they got to this version. 00:05:27.770 --> 00:05:31.890 This was not 199 failures and then a sudden success; 00:05:31.890 --> 00:05:33.751 it was an evolution. 00:05:33.751 --> 00:05:37.143 Or consider the paragons of success that we admire: 00:05:37.143 --> 00:05:38.143 Thomas Edison, 00:05:38.143 --> 00:05:42.185 famously finding out 1000 ways to not make a light bulb 00:05:42.185 --> 00:05:43.806 before the light went on; 00:05:43.806 --> 00:05:45.725 or Walt Disney, 00:05:45.725 --> 00:05:48.293 whose first animation company went bankrupt; 00:05:48.293 --> 00:05:49.876 or Maya Angelou, 00:05:49.876 --> 00:05:53.517 who endured one of the most difficult childhoods you could possibly imagine 00:05:53.517 --> 00:05:58.057 to come back and become one of the most influential voices of the 20th century. 00:05:59.443 --> 00:06:01.329 What do these people have in common? 00:06:02.219 --> 00:06:04.305 It's not education. 00:06:04.305 --> 00:06:05.540 It's not money. 00:06:05.540 --> 00:06:08.484 It's not privilege. It's not talent. 00:06:08.484 --> 00:06:09.554 It's resilience. 00:06:09.554 --> 00:06:13.732 And when we don't allow for a do-over, we don't build that trait 00:06:13.732 --> 00:06:18.702 that is most in common for people who have achieved great success. 00:06:20.351 --> 00:06:21.831 Grades are stressful by nature. 00:06:21.831 --> 00:06:24.541 If we talk about student stress, we should listen to them 00:06:24.541 --> 00:06:27.427 because what they tell us is absolutely shocking. 00:06:27.427 --> 00:06:28.857 In 2015, 00:06:28.857 --> 00:06:31.221 the California Healthy Kids Survey 00:06:31.221 --> 00:06:35.971 revealed that one out of three students reported chronic sadness ... 00:06:36.895 --> 00:06:38.095 depression. 00:06:38.985 --> 00:06:41.156 And the year before, 00:06:41.156 --> 00:06:43.728 the American Psychological Association 00:06:43.728 --> 00:06:46.940 asked students: "What is the leading cause of stress in your life?" 00:06:46.940 --> 00:06:50.689 and identified school as number one. 00:06:50.689 --> 00:06:55.229 And one in four said it was causing them extreme stress. 00:06:55.229 --> 00:06:58.852 And it's not just grade permanence that causes this. 00:06:58.852 --> 00:07:01.442 There's something inherent about grades themselves. 00:07:02.032 --> 00:07:04.991 I want you to imagine the world's worst video game. 00:07:04.991 --> 00:07:06.743 We're going to call it Level Down. 00:07:06.743 --> 00:07:10.375 And in Level Down, you start off with everything unlocked. 00:07:10.375 --> 00:07:13.873 You've got all the super powers. You've got all the gear. 00:07:13.873 --> 00:07:16.992 But you only get worse over time. 00:07:16.992 --> 00:07:19.735 Two things would happen if you played Level Down: 00:07:19.735 --> 00:07:21.716 you would lose interest very quickly, 00:07:21.716 --> 00:07:25.064 and you would also focus only on the things that could go wrong. 00:07:25.064 --> 00:07:27.076 There's nothing to strive for. 00:07:27.076 --> 00:07:30.973 And this is very much the situation of high school students. 00:07:30.973 --> 00:07:36.723 Even if our man Doug gets an A on that first biology test, 00:07:36.723 --> 00:07:40.477 he can only hold on or do worse. 00:07:40.477 --> 00:07:43.087 And so he's basically doing a tightrope walk, 00:07:43.087 --> 00:07:46.934 and if he gets to the other end of the semester with the A, 00:07:46.934 --> 00:07:50.324 the chief emotion he might experience is relief. 00:07:51.735 --> 00:07:55.211 The chief emotion of learning and bettering yourself should not be relief; 00:07:55.211 --> 00:07:56.216 it should be joy. 00:07:56.216 --> 00:07:57.216 Now, you might say, 00:07:57.216 --> 00:07:59.926 "Well, OK, education: serious stuff, it's not a game." 00:07:59.926 --> 00:08:01.180 And I would beg to differ. 00:08:01.180 --> 00:08:02.880 It's already a game. 00:08:02.880 --> 00:08:07.640 It's just a really stressful and oftentimes boring game. 00:08:07.640 --> 00:08:09.938 And all the students know the rules to this game. 00:08:09.938 --> 00:08:11.461 Rule number one: 00:08:11.461 --> 00:08:14.461 Find out what the teacher really wants me to know. 00:08:14.461 --> 00:08:15.500 Number two: 00:08:15.500 --> 00:08:20.350 Cram the night before or during lunch or in the car or during break. 00:08:20.350 --> 00:08:21.507 Number three: 00:08:21.507 --> 00:08:24.470 Spit out that answer that that teacher wanted to know. 00:08:24.470 --> 00:08:26.400 And repeat. 00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:28.158 This is not a fun game. 00:08:28.158 --> 00:08:29.948 It's a very stressful game. 00:08:29.948 --> 00:08:32.020 And we need to change the rules. 00:08:32.020 --> 00:08:34.476 Grades are counter-motivational. 00:08:34.476 --> 00:08:35.730 What I mean by that is 00:08:35.730 --> 00:08:40.240 they literally motivate traits that we don't want to foster. 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.757 All right. We've got three paths here. 00:08:42.757 --> 00:08:44.970 The one on the left takes three hours. 00:08:44.970 --> 00:08:46.974 The one in the middle takes one hour. 00:08:46.974 --> 00:08:49.497 The one on the right takes five hours. 00:08:49.497 --> 00:08:52.489 If there's $100 at the end of this path, 00:08:52.489 --> 00:08:55.225 which road are you going to take? 00:08:55.225 --> 00:08:57.753 Students are not dumb. 00:08:57.753 --> 00:08:59.338 They'll do the same thing. 00:08:59.338 --> 00:09:02.014 This means taking the easiest classes, 00:09:02.014 --> 00:09:05.748 the easiest teachers, the least complex projects, 00:09:05.748 --> 00:09:07.891 because the pay-off's the same, 00:09:07.891 --> 00:09:10.200 and as a result, 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:13.695 what are we actually encouraging? 00:09:13.695 --> 00:09:15.625 A minimized work ethic. 00:09:16.653 --> 00:09:17.898 A conformity of knowledge: 00:09:17.898 --> 00:09:20.845 Don't question the teacher; it's only going to hurt your grade. 00:09:20.845 --> 00:09:22.615 And most painfully of all, for me, 00:09:22.615 --> 00:09:24.239 an actual avoidance of creativity. 00:09:24.239 --> 00:09:26.003 Why would you come up with a solution 00:09:26.003 --> 00:09:29.953 that's different than the A work that the teacher provided as a sample? 00:09:31.158 --> 00:09:32.960 I would point out 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.190 that these are the traits 00:09:35.190 --> 00:09:38.973 that we look to for innovators in society: 00:09:38.973 --> 00:09:41.895 people who are incredibly hardworking, 00:09:41.895 --> 00:09:43.969 people who think differently, 00:09:43.969 --> 00:09:46.321 and people who are creative. 00:09:46.321 --> 00:09:47.375 Now, some might say, 00:09:47.375 --> 00:09:51.713 "Well, it's kids these days. They're just lazy." 00:09:51.713 --> 00:09:52.998 But they're not. 00:09:52.998 --> 00:09:55.484 Our man Doug, he'll work incredibly hard, 00:09:55.484 --> 00:09:57.156 just after school, 00:09:57.156 --> 00:10:00.349 whether it's doing a sport or leveling up in a video game 00:10:00.349 --> 00:10:02.227 or figuring out a skateboard trick 00:10:02.227 --> 00:10:04.867 or figuring out some new, you know, song on the guitar. 00:10:04.867 --> 00:10:06.762 They will spend hours on this, 00:10:06.762 --> 00:10:08.494 on learning. 00:10:08.494 --> 00:10:10.714 What are we depriving them of in school 00:10:10.714 --> 00:10:12.974 that they're getting after school? 00:10:12.974 --> 00:10:15.257 Daniel Pink 00:10:15.257 --> 00:10:18.337 wrote a groundbreaking book called Drive, 00:10:18.337 --> 00:10:20.967 where he described that what we really are motivated by 00:10:20.967 --> 00:10:24.272 are autonomy, mastery, and purpose. 00:10:24.272 --> 00:10:27.953 Essentially, we want the freedom to choose what we're doing. 00:10:27.953 --> 00:10:30.833 We want to figure out things that are hard. 00:10:31.966 --> 00:10:33.682 And we want to know that it matters, 00:10:33.682 --> 00:10:36.910 either to our future or to the benefit of the world. 00:10:36.910 --> 00:10:41.810 In short, students want the freedom to develop skills that actually matter. 00:10:42.898 --> 00:10:44.652 Four: 00:10:44.652 --> 00:10:48.408 Grades distract from the actual goal of learning. 00:10:48.408 --> 00:10:50.528 All right. This is Ernie Sheldon. 00:10:51.265 --> 00:10:56.495 Ernie wanted to break the seven-foot high jump record. 00:10:56.495 --> 00:10:58.424 This was a big deal in the 1950s. 00:10:58.424 --> 00:10:59.570 No one had ever done it. 00:10:59.570 --> 00:11:01.911 It was kind of like the four-minute mile. 00:11:01.911 --> 00:11:03.493 So Ernie was so fired up 00:11:03.493 --> 00:11:07.722 that in his bedroom, he put a tape mark at seven feet. 00:11:07.722 --> 00:11:09.389 Fixated on that number. 00:11:10.459 --> 00:11:14.577 Ernie jumped 6'11" dozens of times 00:11:14.577 --> 00:11:16.464 but never jumped seven feet, 00:11:16.464 --> 00:11:18.865 because he was so focused on the end result 00:11:18.865 --> 00:11:22.992 and not on the process on actually how to jump better 00:11:22.992 --> 00:11:26.333 that would give him the end result. 00:11:26.333 --> 00:11:29.258 So if we replace that tape with the grade, 00:11:29.258 --> 00:11:31.064 you can see the problem. 00:11:31.064 --> 00:11:33.161 And there's some research to back this up. 00:11:33.161 --> 00:11:36.030 Ruth Butler took three groups of kids 00:11:36.030 --> 00:11:39.414 and said we're going to do two academic tasks, 00:11:39.414 --> 00:11:41.699 and, group number one, we're going to grade you. 00:11:41.699 --> 00:11:44.994 Group number two, we're just going to give you comments. 00:11:44.994 --> 00:11:47.493 Group number three, we're going to do both. 00:11:47.493 --> 00:11:50.224 Guess which group outperformed all others 00:11:50.224 --> 00:11:55.184 in both performance academically and in their interest in the projects. 00:11:56.848 --> 00:11:58.242 Group number two. 00:11:58.242 --> 00:11:59.485 In other words, 00:11:59.485 --> 00:12:02.425 just knowing they were being graded 00:12:02.425 --> 00:12:04.785 actually made them perform worse. 00:12:05.395 --> 00:12:08.763 So knowing all this, why are we doing it? 00:12:08.763 --> 00:12:10.440 Who do these grades actually serve? 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:12.659 The only answer I can come up with is colleges. 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:14.379 They need to differentiate students. 00:12:14.379 --> 00:12:15.500 I get it. 00:12:15.500 --> 00:12:20.272 But consider the fact that two teachers in the same department of the same school 00:12:20.272 --> 00:12:22.735 might disagree on assessment. 00:12:22.735 --> 00:12:26.453 Or the fact that schools use different grading scales. 00:12:26.453 --> 00:12:31.345 At one school, the same student gets a 4.4, another one a 3.8. 00:12:31.345 --> 00:12:32.623 Same student. 00:12:33.785 --> 00:12:36.908 Or the fact that the letter grades don't mean anything anymore. 00:12:36.908 --> 00:12:41.864 There was a time that a C literally meant a mathematical average. 00:12:41.864 --> 00:12:46.694 I don't know a class in existence right now where that's the case. 00:12:46.694 --> 00:12:49.024 So what do we do? 00:12:49.024 --> 00:12:50.897 I give you some what-ifs. 00:12:50.897 --> 00:12:54.984 What if more colleges subscribed to Freshman forgiveness? 00:12:54.984 --> 00:13:00.187 So our state schools and our UC system and some private schools do this. 00:13:00.187 --> 00:13:01.887 But it should be standard. 00:13:01.887 --> 00:13:04.679 What if colleges focused more on portfolios: 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:06.882 what students designed, 00:13:06.882 --> 00:13:09.504 what stories they told, 00:13:09.504 --> 00:13:12.238 what research they've done, 00:13:12.238 --> 00:13:14.007 and what have they written? 00:13:14.007 --> 00:13:19.487 You're going to get a much more clear picture of who that person actually is. 00:13:20.216 --> 00:13:23.726 All right. Who can figure out what these three students have in common? 00:13:25.994 --> 00:13:28.034 They have the same GPA. 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:30.510 And that's crazy. 00:13:31.467 --> 00:13:37.027 I propose that if there was a calculation of slope that followed the GPA ... 00:13:38.597 --> 00:13:41.312 something that gave us a little bit of story, 00:13:41.312 --> 00:13:43.609 a movement index 00:13:43.609 --> 00:13:44.741 so we could understand: 00:13:44.741 --> 00:13:48.308 Hey, student number two is excelling 00:13:48.308 --> 00:13:50.128 and probably really ready for college. 00:13:50.128 --> 00:13:51.507 He just had a rough start. 00:13:51.507 --> 00:13:54.470 We should know that story, and it's not that hard. 00:13:54.910 --> 00:13:56.700 What can educators do? 00:13:56.700 --> 00:13:58.286 We can gamify our classes. 00:13:58.286 --> 00:14:00.831 Students can level up instead of level down. 00:14:00.831 --> 00:14:02.549 We can give them a sense of mastery. 00:14:02.549 --> 00:14:06.518 So a student who's in calculus really has mastered algebra first. 00:14:06.518 --> 00:14:07.925 We can flip our classrooms. 00:14:07.925 --> 00:14:11.058 We can provide resources that students can access at home 00:14:11.058 --> 00:14:13.013 so they're not so stressed. 00:14:13.013 --> 00:14:14.555 We can have do-overs 00:14:14.555 --> 00:14:17.019 so students' work can improve over time. 00:14:17.019 --> 00:14:20.701 And lastly, we can link learning. 00:14:20.701 --> 00:14:22.649 This is when you work with a professional 00:14:22.649 --> 00:14:26.357 who's using the skills you're learning in class in their professional life, 00:14:26.357 --> 00:14:28.244 which gives it purpose. 00:14:28.244 --> 00:14:30.379 For the last five years, 00:14:30.379 --> 00:14:32.188 I've tried all of these, 00:14:32.188 --> 00:14:34.224 and I can tell you they work. 00:14:34.224 --> 00:14:37.487 My students are less stressed, 00:14:37.487 --> 00:14:39.321 more engaged, 00:14:39.321 --> 00:14:41.511 and producing better work. 00:14:42.882 --> 00:14:44.713 So make no mistake: 00:14:44.713 --> 00:14:48.969 there are alternatives to traditional letter grading, 00:14:48.969 --> 00:14:54.229 and in a world that is changing more quickly than ever before 00:14:54.229 --> 00:14:57.670 and facing unprecedented challenges, 00:14:57.670 --> 00:15:00.920 we're going to rely on education more than ever. 00:15:00.920 --> 00:15:02.972 And after 120 years, 00:15:02.972 --> 00:15:04.818 I hope you'll agree: 00:15:04.818 --> 00:15:06.470 we're ready for an upgrade. 00:15:06.470 --> 00:15:07.514 Thank you. 00:15:07.514 --> 00:15:08.534 (Applause)