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Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.97,0:00:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Welcome to the Infoboxes panel.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.01,0:00:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many people here know\Nwhat an infobox is in our community?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.81,0:00:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good, but even if you don't,\Nthe 30-second introduction is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.53,0:00:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infoboxes are what you normally see\Nwhen you look at an article in Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.73,0:00:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the upper right hand corner\Nand it probably tries to give you
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.32,0:00:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of the facts about a topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.27,0:00:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're starting to see infoboxes more\Nthan in just Wikipedia articles.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.23,0:00:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you saw one of our presenters here,\NMike Peel, got an award yesterday
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.47,0:00:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for his work on infoboxes and Commons,\Nand he'll talk about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.53,0:00:37.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're also going to have other folks\Ntalk about their experiences
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.11,0:00:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in implementing infoboxes\Nthat are driven by Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.22,0:00:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, even without Wikidata\Nas part of the equation,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.25,0:00:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there have been some pretty famous,\NI don't want to say battles,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.80,0:00:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but let's say disputes and conflicts\Nbetween Wikipedia editors
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.48,0:00:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the appropriateness of infoboxes\Nand their role in different projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.82,0:01:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we've been having a session like this\Nfor the last few years
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.27,0:01:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about what the interaction\Nshould be between our communities
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.84,0:01:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Wikidata and Wikipedia\Nand Commons and other places.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.32,0:01:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, hopefully this will give you\Na pretty good set of views
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.17,0:01:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on where things are right now\Nand where they're going,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.22,0:01:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Wikipedia editions\Nthat are heavily using infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.98,0:01:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ones that are a little bit\Nmore reluctant to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.23,0:01:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have our presenters today,\NHarmonia, Tpt, Amador and Mike Peel.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.77,0:01:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're going to start with Harmonia,\Nis that right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.03,0:01:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Or Tpt and Harmonia?\N- Yes, both of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.76,0:01:34.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We’re presenting together. \N- Okay very good, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.15,0:01:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they'll introduce themselves \Nand talk about their infobox story.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.11,0:01:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.18,0:01:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am Harmonia Amanda,\NI don't have my name tag.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.37,0:01:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we have very different\Nexpectation and goals
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.44,0:01:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we are really small communities,\Nbigger communities
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.34,0:01:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the really, really big communities\Nlike Commons and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.52,0:02:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What Tpt and I are working on are,\NAutomatic Wikidata Infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.20,0:02:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for really, really small Wikipedias.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.65,0:02:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Wikipedias without anyone\Nknowing LUA in their community
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.70,0:02:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or really--or not having regular workshops\Nor nobody meeting up in real life
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.48,0:02:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the really, really small communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.51,0:02:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Tpt will start\Nwith the technical side of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.63,0:02:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, so, what we wanted to have\Nis templates without--
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.77,0:02:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's for very small Wikis, so without \Nhaving to do any work, saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.67,0:02:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, we want to have an infobox\Nabout a person.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.45,0:02:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where should we display the birthdate\Nand the birthdays?"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.60,0:02:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a piece on [inaudible] \Non Wikidata and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.88,0:02:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe something that is fully automated\Nand just works, you just have to copy
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.09,0:02:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a LUA module on your Wiki\Nand then the templates
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.61,0:02:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to the LUA module\Nand then it should just work
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.91,0:02:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without any configuration.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.22,0:02:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's what we did,\Nso it's basically a single LUA module
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.98,0:02:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with something like 200 lines of LUA.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.27,0:03:02.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only configuration we have in this\Nis just a list of properties
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.100,0:03:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't want to display.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.54,0:03:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's mostly it's properties that\Nare internal to Wikimedia projects
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.54,0:03:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it creates an infobox from this\Nbased on the Wikidata content.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.12,0:03:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's already deployed\Non 13 Wikipedias right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.10,0:03:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we call it Databox.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.57,0:03:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is [inaudible] infobox\Nin one very small Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.97,0:03:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, I don't remember the language.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.59,0:03:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (Harmonia) It's in Hausa.\N- (Tpt) Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.53,0:03:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, every some examples you see\Nbasically the ideas in infobox is,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.54,0:03:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it displays a label
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.90,0:03:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Wikidata item and then you have--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.91,0:03:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is an image on the Wikidata\Nyou displayed,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.74,0:03:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have a subtitle\Nwith the Wikidata type.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.31,0:03:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you have the list of properties\Nsorted just like Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.00,0:03:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at the end is our geo coordinates,\Nyou have a map and that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.76,0:03:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's very simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.21,0:04:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it works for any kind of entities.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.68,0:04:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's just not \Nfor a person, place or such.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.13,0:04:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to configure it.\NIt just works.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.34,0:04:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not the nicest infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.93,0:04:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's very simple and you see it\Nin four different languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.60,0:04:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it works quite well,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.32,0:04:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is still a lot of work\Nfor languages actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.35,0:04:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's to translate the labels\Nand Harmonia's is going to talk about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.03,0:04:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Harmonia) Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.62,0:04:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem with the infoboxes in general,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.03,0:04:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's what the Indian community talked\Nyesterday in their talk
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.63,0:04:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you want that specific thing\Nyou should [inaudible] the stream
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.20,0:04:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that presentation they did yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.27,0:04:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or to fill the knowledge gap in Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.12,0:04:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the problem is not \Nthe technical part of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.22,0:04:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's that if you don't add \Nany labels in your language,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.70,0:04:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will follow the MediaWiki\Nfall back languages
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.74,0:04:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at some point,\Nit will end up in English.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.66,0:04:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the problem with these\Nreally small communities
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.10,0:05:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually auto-created dynamic\Nto translate things so we can use data
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.14,0:05:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.24,0:05:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's in auto-create\Nyour own community rules.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.53,0:05:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So on the 13 Wikipedias,\Nwe have very different usables.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.30,0:05:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have Wikipedia, we make the choice\Nto only have the infoboxes in drafts.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.56,0:05:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have the data,\Nyou can write the article
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.79,0:05:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you don't see it on the main space.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.29,0:05:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have Wikipedia who makes the choice,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.41,0:05:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, if two third of the infobox\Nis in my language,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.35,0:05:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I want it on the main space\Nand so I know
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.08,0:05:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, what do I need to translate,"\Nand their Wikipedia would trust
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.90,0:05:42.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only infoboxes entirely\Nin their languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.39,0:05:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the idea is to start \Nwith labelathons
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.96,0:05:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can use--you can,\Noh, this next slide.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.86,0:05:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, no it's--
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.53,0:05:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.65,0:06:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see on the side we made\Na SPARQL query for the Hausa Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.50,0:06:07.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the most used properties on Wikidata\Nwhich don't have labels in Hausa.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.33,0:06:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can see, that the first property\Nis language used
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.52,0:06:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not that much used on Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.16,0:06:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they translated everything else.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.95,0:06:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was not that much \Nan amount of work.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.02,0:06:25.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can start small, build a community,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.100,0:06:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start using data on Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.25,0:06:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you have a bigger community,\Nyou want infoboxes while doing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.81,0:06:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cooler things than that\Nand that's the Catalan projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.36,0:06:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (Harmonia) And that's yours.\N- (Amador) Thank you, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.61,0:06:45.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all--
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.21,0:06:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.14,0:06:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, I apologize for my English.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.88,0:06:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are expert in rare languages,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.50,0:07:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is your opportunity.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.46,0:07:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While I will talk about two things\Nthat are infoboxes,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.65,0:07:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.42,0:07:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several infoboxes and our [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.90,0:07:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can play with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.88,0:07:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I prepared an analysis\Nthat you can see in the presentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.26,0:07:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order to play, I show some\Nbut no standard in the process--
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.94,0:07:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the look and feel but in the process.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.82,0:07:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We started three years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.18,0:07:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we implemented\NWikidata in--Wikidata--
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.51,0:07:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside the infoboxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.50,0:07:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our objectives were these,\Ntake advantage of Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.85,0:07:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that moment was emerging.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.05,0:07:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Use these skills as harmonized
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.26,0:07:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the skins of the layout...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.85,0:08:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reduce the obsolescence of the information\Nbecause everything was manual parameters
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.12,0:08:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and avoid particular solutions\Nbecause there are millions more templates,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.32,0:08:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's easier,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.32,0:08:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everybody has its own\Ntemplate for its own article,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.85,0:08:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and well, we have thousands of articles
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.77,0:08:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a--Sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.61,0:08:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those itself infoboxes\Nwith just 10, 20 articles.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.09,0:08:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problems are these, \Nthe people doesn't trust in the Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.29,0:08:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't want to change,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.61,0:08:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they want to maintain
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.75,0:08:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,typical or local information\Nthat is not in Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.06,0:08:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now three years, three years after,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.50,0:08:51.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the solutions that we applied\Nand the state of the art that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.57,0:08:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, we say, "Okay, we will keep\Nthe manual parameters,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.82,0:08:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you wish."
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.01,0:09:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as Wikidata gets the information,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.53,0:09:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will erase the manual parameter\Nbecause you don't need it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.19,0:09:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.87,0:09:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now 80%--82%
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.11,0:09:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all Wikipedia articles
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.45,0:09:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a Wikidata infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.23,0:09:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sixty percent of the articles have \Njust the call to the template
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.84,0:09:28.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without any other manual parameters.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.17,0:09:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We agree 90% of the all the articles
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.18,0:09:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have the harmonizing and some
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.46,0:09:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar skill and look and feel.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.26,0:09:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the [inaudible] language changes\Nthe priority we say,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.82,0:09:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manual is before the Wikidata\Nbut in some moment we say,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.32,0:09:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this manual probably is absolute.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.26,0:09:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we will change the priority.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.67,0:10:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a question about\Nthere's an exclusion I need, I want to--
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.81,0:10:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe that it's important\Nto have too many infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.98,0:10:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or he has one infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.96,0:10:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we believe that it's important\Nto have one infobox for each,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.87,0:10:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great concept.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.07,0:10:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A person, a building\Nor something like this
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.35,0:10:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not one for its kind
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.66,0:10:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or one for all kinds of solutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.14,0:10:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is our figures,\Nthe important thing is this--
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.44,0:10:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is with four infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.26,0:10:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cover 50% of four articles.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.50,0:10:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With four infoboxes,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.87,0:10:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cover [inaudible] % more.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.29,0:10:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with all, we cover 80%.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.10,0:10:55.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at that long tail that we can--\Nwe have no solution
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.81,0:10:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are very specific
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.75,0:11:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is 83 infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.89,0:11:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only four cover 9%.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.11,0:11:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the most important, if you \N[inaudible] for these options,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.74,0:11:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a great cover.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.61,0:11:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The look and feel of the infoboxes\Nis like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.78,0:11:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have here and another is...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.76,0:11:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to arrive
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.32,0:11:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these infoboxes are multilingual
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.85,0:11:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and respond to--
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.44,0:11:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can explain the--\Ncan tell them the parameter--
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.45,0:11:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the language in two ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.15,0:11:35.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is when the preferences\Nof the Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.86,0:11:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if you don't want\Nto follow the preferences,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.54,0:11:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will force another language,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.36,0:11:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can call the template
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.81,0:11:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the parameter of line, equal\Nand the language you wish.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.87,0:11:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the translations\Nare made via Wikidata labels.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.96,0:11:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when--
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.02,0:12:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me show one example of--
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.05,0:12:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if some--
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.31,0:12:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if your label doesn't exist\Nin your language
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.88,0:12:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Wikidata--
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.51,0:12:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it appears not in this case, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.01,0:12:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It appears here, a pencil,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.67,0:12:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you push the pencil and it goes\Nto Wikidata in order to enter the label,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.21,0:12:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it's running.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.100,0:12:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.32,0:12:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ten seconds.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.41,0:12:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is our current goals?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.87,0:12:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a solution implemented\Nin our Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.31,0:12:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The community, right, is happy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.93,0:12:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And no one thinks again\Nin the old solutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.59,0:13:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as a WIkidata team told me
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.22,0:13:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible] before.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.87,0:13:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's live at the talk in Catalan.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.51,0:13:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I translate, I change it \Nto be multilingual
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.90,0:13:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now this solution is near\Nto be a plug and play
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.39,0:13:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in any other Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.34,0:13:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Until now,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.12,0:13:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other languages, copy it or Wiki model
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.71,0:13:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.77,0:13:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infoboxes but no were multilingual,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.49,0:13:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they need to translate
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.21,0:13:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they have their own copy\Nand launch the synchronizing
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.71,0:13:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our revolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.90,0:13:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now, this is not necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.23,0:13:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if you made this kind of migration
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.07,0:13:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and don't touch
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.71,0:13:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or every [inaudible] with it,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.94,0:14:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we--sorry--
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.98,0:14:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every update with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.29,0:14:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are good.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.29,0:14:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.37,0:14:12.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Mr. Mike Peel. to explain enwp.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.77,0:14:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.91,0:14:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mike) Okay, I've just got\Na couple of slides
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.84,0:14:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one on Commons,\None on English Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.97,0:14:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the first is on Commons.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.64,0:14:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a single infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.79,0:14:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's actually two infoboxes,\Nit's separate in what's coded for people
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.26,0:14:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for everything else.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.56,0:14:35.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it generally works\Nfor every single topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.02,0:14:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's deployed on Commons\Nwhere it's a very different community
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.90,0:14:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from most Wikipedias
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.15,0:14:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it needs to be multilingual\Nout-of-the-box.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.22,0:14:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you need to be able to change\Nthe language, if you interface
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.74,0:14:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything changes in the infobox,\Nwhich Wikidata lets you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.43,0:14:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So before this, before WIkidata,\NCommons did not really have infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.59,0:14:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in categories, now it can.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.92,0:14:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's currently deployed\Nin about two and a half million,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.13,0:15:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not quite two and a half million\Nbut hopefully in a few weeks time
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.75,0:15:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll get there.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.04,0:15:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's had about seven million\NCommon categories so we're less
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.67,0:15:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than halfway to go actually \Nand so please keep adding it
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.17,0:15:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you spot a category without it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.05,0:15:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It tries to add everything it can,\Nwhich is useful but try to do it
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.40,0:15:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in as compact form as possible
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.71,0:15:20.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you don't want to take up\Nspace because the main thing of Commons
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.59,0:15:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is all the media files.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.74,0:15:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you want to highlight those,\Nand then this infobox gives you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.81,0:15:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,additional context on the topic\Ndown the side.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.63,0:15:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it shows, the image it shows,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.40,0:15:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the main properties\Nand map of where it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.53,0:15:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Importantly it links to tools,\Nwhich you might find useful at the bottom.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.42,0:15:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So things like, Wiki Shoot Me!\Nto find nearby pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.08,0:15:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.77,0:15:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's something\Nthat can work on other Wikis.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.85,0:15:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not very portable.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.36,0:15:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It relies on about half of dozen\Ndifferent templates
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.12,0:15:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and LUA codes at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.16,0:15:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm hoping to compact that,\Nso it is more portable
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.47,0:15:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can use it elsewhere, if you want.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.84,0:16:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's now set up so that\Nthe main template is actually
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.66,0:16:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a configuration template.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.52,0:16:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can say we want
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.84,0:16:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the width of this to be 200 pixels\Nor 300 pixels,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.68,0:16:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can define that in here.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.28,0:16:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can say, "We want a map,\Nwe want this coordinate system."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.06,0:16:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's got some flexibility\Nto cope with and different cases.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.00,0:16:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is actually installed\Non English Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.41,0:16:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can sort of use it there
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.73,0:16:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but someone will come along\Nwithin a few hours and change it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.13,0:16:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a different template, so
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.57,0:16:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see how it looks\Non English Wikipedia, at least.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.08,0:16:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is also on a few other ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.28,0:16:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English Wikipedia is a difficult one.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.26,0:16:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it has a lot of existing content.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.43,0:16:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The advantage of Commons\Nis there wasn't that much content
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.71,0:16:39.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the categories to start with,\Nso you could go in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.79,0:16:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and add a lot more very easily.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.76,0:16:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English WIkipedia already has that.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.07,0:16:46.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you are using an infobox in Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.61,0:16:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're normally replacing existing content
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.80,0:16:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and editors don't like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.78,0:16:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There also seems to be a feeling\Nthat in the English Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.30,0:16:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can act as a check against Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.24,0:16:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you keep things independent,\Nthan you can cross check
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.95,0:17:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and catch vandalism,\Nwhich sort of works as long you don't mind
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.38,0:17:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the extra burden of having to handle\Ntwo lots of the same data.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.52,0:17:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One in a structured form,\Nwhich is lovely
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.27,0:17:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one in an unstructured form\Nwhich is a pain.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.19,0:17:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also a lot more\Ndifferent templates.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.13,0:17:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's about hundred templates\Nthat infobox templates are used
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.63,0:17:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Wikidata at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.76,0:17:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's out of thousands\Non English Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.73,0:17:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Converting all those\Nwill take a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.46,0:17:25.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's about 2,000 infoboxes\Nthat are entirely drawn from Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.30,0:17:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a small fraction\Nof the number of articles there but...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.95,0:17:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been a long way to get there.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.60,0:17:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's lot more demanding\Non, again, exactly like formatting
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.75,0:17:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can't have anything\Nwhich doesn't look quite right
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.100,0:17:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or show cue numbers\Nand things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.75,0:17:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got to have local override.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.23,0:17:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got to make sure\Nyou only showing referenced information.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.62,0:17:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of that is built into the code\Nwhich underlays these infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.67,0:17:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is WikidataIB, which is \Nwhat Doug Taylor's been working on,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.53,0:17:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,user access.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.21,0:17:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can use that, it's very modular.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.22,0:17:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So each bit of the infobox\Nis constructed separately,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.47,0:18:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you don't even need to know\NLUA to create these infoboxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.78,0:18:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't really know LUA at all, so.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.83,0:18:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can just use the existing\Ntemplates structure to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.83,0:18:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which makes it quite nice to deploy\Nand to fiddle around with.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.38,0:18:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that's basically all I've got.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.15,0:18:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So most of the session, hopefully\Nwill be questions from you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.98,0:18:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hopefully, we can give some answers.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.58,0:18:19.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks for listening.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.100,0:18:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.60,0:18:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Let's make sure we have\Nboth microphones working here.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.24,0:18:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to test that, make sure it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.54,0:18:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does that microphone work?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.77,0:18:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second one?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.86,0:18:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Does it work?\N- Testing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.92,0:18:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah.\N- Great.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.92,0:18:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, great.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.08,0:18:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well we love to hear some questions\Nand also,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.91,0:18:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you've had experiences\Nwith information boxes
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.88,0:18:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.100,0:18:43.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd love to hear that, so.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.23,0:18:47.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 1) Yeah, my case has more WIki.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.47,0:18:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have 10 to 25 editors.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.49,0:18:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, do I need to know LUA
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.88,0:18:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to implement Wikidata template?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.16,0:19:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Amador) To whom? To me?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.36,0:19:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 1) To all the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.72,0:19:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anybody can answer, that's okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.94,0:19:07.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Harmonia) Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.11,0:19:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's actually why we made\Nthree presentations in one in that,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.51,0:19:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if nobody in your community\Ncan do any LUA work at all
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.01,0:19:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the solution is the one\NTpt and I made.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.26,0:19:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this one is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.66,0:19:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't easily make\Nyour own preferences.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.50,0:19:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we deal with all the technical parts.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.38,0:19:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is drawback to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.48,0:19:32.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have someone locally,\Nwho can say,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.87,0:19:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Eh, this looks good but we have actually\Nthis kind of problem in all language."
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.30,0:19:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like for example, we have problems\Nwith gender language
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.52,0:19:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are not shown female labels
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.74,0:19:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is actually not\Na complicated thing to find in LUA
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.64,0:19:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you need to know\Nthe LUA codes to find that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.24,0:19:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So someone who doesn't know your language\Nwon't think of that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.60,0:20:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they are coming from a language\Nwhich doesn't have this problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.71,0:20:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So see if you have someone who know LUA,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.87,0:20:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can make more personalization\Nto have something
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.36,0:20:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which looks better on your Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.42,0:20:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is what\Nthe Catalan Wikipedia is doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.08,0:20:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have skin layouts which are really...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.40,0:20:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,integrated with the rest\Nof the layout of Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.10,0:20:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you can't do\Nwhen you don't know any LUA at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.90,0:20:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you have different kinds of solution,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.45,0:20:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on what\Nyour community is right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.73,0:20:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 1) Can I copy the code,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.95,0:20:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is already there\Nin Catalan Wikipedia to my Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.18,0:20:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the code, to make a new template\Nor something like that?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.98,0:20:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually our solutions has two labels.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.57,0:20:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The model Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.50,0:20:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they say is able to handle the access
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.05,0:21:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Wikidata and recovery
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.91,0:21:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible] values,\N[inaudible] values, qualifiers and so.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.02,0:21:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the level presentation,\Nthe presentation level
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.95,0:21:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is made by Wiki template\Nis in Wikicode, okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.78,0:21:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, our model now is running in seven\Nor eight WIkipedia difference,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.07,0:21:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have their own solutions,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.72,0:21:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call it this model\Nbut the presentation is their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.86,0:21:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.88,0:21:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have some solution like this,\Nyou can get the old model.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.60,0:21:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, if you don't have\Na good solution in that template
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.20,0:21:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the presentation,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.02,0:21:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can take both, a model\Nand other template, okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.80,0:21:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if you get and change\Nthe language, change your language,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.38,0:21:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it runs immediately.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.24,0:21:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.45,0:21:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) So, to be clear your solution\Nis LUA based, you have to take it all,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.59,0:21:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you handle all the technical parts.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.49,0:21:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But since you have a split in two layers,\Nyou can still tweak it
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.15,0:21:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Wikicode level to customize it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.14,0:22:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does that make sense?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.48,0:22:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We split in two because...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.58,0:22:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number of...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.21,0:22:08.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,details able to modify LUA is decreasing.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.43,0:22:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.51,0:22:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we concentrated in a LUA model,\Neverything that is considered
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.69,0:22:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be considered a black box.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.96,0:22:22.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the changes people have\Nis related with the presentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.61,0:22:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I don't like this color,\NI want this upper and this other down,"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.00,0:22:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these kind of things\Nis made in templates.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.96,0:22:34.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I made--I modified the template\Nbut there are several editors
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.10,0:22:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can modify the templates too.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.03,0:22:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Great and then Mike,\Nhow does yours--
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.03,0:22:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, but, but...\N(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.10,0:22:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.47,0:22:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the part.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.66,0:22:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think most of the people\Nwho are at the WikidataCon
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.91,0:22:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are actually coming for communities\Nwhich know Wikicode.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.82,0:22:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We made data box for all--
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.73,0:22:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially for African languages\Nbut I think it should be in on many
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.47,0:22:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minority languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.71,0:23:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we made that for the [inaudible]\NWikipedia, for the Hausa Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.99,0:23:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are actually on the Hausa Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.87,0:23:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hausa is actually the language\Nspoken by millions of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.07,0:23:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Wikipedia have less\Nthan 4,000 articles.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.93,0:23:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they don't have\Npeople knowing even Wikicode
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.14,0:23:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are editing\Nby phone and things, so.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.07,0:23:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like Wikidata describe the projects\Nwe presented on the first day
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.40,0:23:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.45,0:23:29.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the really, really small communities
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.35,0:23:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have actually really \Ndifferent expectations
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.16,0:23:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from communities who are actually\Nreally Wikipedian already
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.75,0:23:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who have their own templates\Nand their own personalization.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.17,0:23:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they want the code\Nbut they don't know any code at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.62,0:23:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Right, right, \Nthat's great. Mike.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.82,0:23:50.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ones on Commons and English Wikipedias
Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.25,0:23:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tend to build up using WikidataIB
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.05,0:23:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that there's the individual parameters\Nthat you fetch.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.56,0:23:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's all in LUA but then\Nyou're calling that from the Wiki text.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.64,0:24:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't know LUA.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.03,0:24:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all those infoboxes--these all\Nare constructed in Wikitext
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.19,0:24:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.41,0:24:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The good thing with all these\Ndifferent combinations is you can pick
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.10,0:24:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which one you like the best\Nand just use that.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.90,0:24:11.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or you use multiple ones on the same Wiki.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.11,0:24:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or--yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.73,0:24:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all drawing information\Nfrom the same place
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.69,0:24:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the important thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.84,0:24:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we all share the same data set.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.55,0:24:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If [inaudible] a little.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.40,0:24:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have a lot of people\Nthat knows LUA or Wikicode,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.28,0:24:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.43,0:24:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have a low people able to do that,\Nyou must choose
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.68,0:24:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the better solution for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.03,0:24:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) It's amazing how far\Nwe've come in the last two years.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.51,0:24:38.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we actually have a choice\Nof a really good solutions, that's great.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.86,0:24:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Danny) Hi, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.69,0:24:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Danny,\NI'm from the Wikimedia Foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.41,0:24:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that there are actually\Nsome problems that need to get solved
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.14,0:24:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in regards to the distrust\Nthat Wikipedians have
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.79,0:24:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are on the Wikidata side\Nand not on the Wikipedia side.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.99,0:24:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not just about\Nresistance of change.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.89,0:24:58.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will tell you a story.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.38,0:25:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was talking to Lydia\Nat Wikimedia about this
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.30,0:25:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sort of walked \Nthrough a little scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.92,0:25:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we were in Stockholm,\Nwe tried--the examples that we used
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.59,0:25:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the population of Stockholm.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.19,0:25:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's say I'm from English Wikipedia,\Nand I say that it's {\i1}x{\i0} million.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.08,0:25:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I come back later and I see\Nthat that has been changed to {\i1}y{\i0} million
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.50,0:25:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's--
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.22,0:25:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was done by somebody\Non another Wikipedia in another language.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.81,0:25:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do I know where that comes from\Nand who did it and what the source was?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.94,0:25:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I click through\Nto get to the Wikidata item
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.03,0:25:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then looked at that property
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.33,0:25:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it actually turned out\Nthat somebody had very recently--
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.56,0:25:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was a coincidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.72,0:25:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but somebody had very recently\Nhad changed the population of Stockholm.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.53,0:25:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the source that they used\Nled to a 404 error.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.30,0:25:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in other words I can't--
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.42,0:25:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that person spoke German,\Nand so it would be difficult for me
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.38,0:25:55.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk to the person, asked them like,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.81,0:25:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What kind of source was that?\NWhy did that change?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.59,0:26:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that actually an update\Nor is it just a mistake?"
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.34,0:26:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said like,\NI know this is a coincidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.77,0:26:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I just happened to pick this example
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.54,0:26:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but 100% of the things I tried\Nhave this problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.24,0:26:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's a really difficult thing\Nto figure out.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.20,0:26:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's other problems with references\Non Wikidata as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.10,0:26:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's tainted references\Nlike Lydia spoke about earlier,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.75,0:26:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's also circular references,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.93,0:26:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I believe a lot\Nof the initial import came from Wikipedias
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.41,0:26:33.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so the source just says\NItalian Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.35,0:26:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's a thing, though.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.54,0:26:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I know that everybody knows,\Nbut that's an actual real thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.25,0:26:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't have it
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.62,0:26:47.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the big WIkipedias\Nthat the infobox for every page
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.59,0:26:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't have sources anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.22,0:26:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just like from Italian--\Nlike Italian Wikipedia is sourcing itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.18,0:26:55.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Can I answer some of that?\N- (Danny) Yes, please do.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.43,0:26:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so looking at\Nthe English Wikipedia infoboxes,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.84,0:27:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they aren't referenced.\N(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.24,0:27:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's kind of a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.49,0:27:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you need to look into the--
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.10,0:27:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) You need traditional infoboxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.71,0:27:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Traditional infoboxes,\Nnot the Wikidata ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.72,0:27:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forget the Wikidata ones here.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.67,0:27:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to find out\Nwhere the information is,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.67,0:27:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the infobox you need to look\Nthrough the whole article
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.95,0:27:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find it and pull it out\Nand that's difficult.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.96,0:27:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikidata does support references.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.30,0:27:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to use those more.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.26,0:27:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in particular, when you're importing\Non the English Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.30,0:27:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you only import referenced information
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.46,0:27:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's excluding these sources\Nstated in English Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.57,0:27:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's ignored.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.25,0:27:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's only if it's a good reference,\Nthen it's used.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.88,0:27:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's some ways of doing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.48,0:27:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Wikidata does have a long way to go\Nbefore everything is referenced.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.82,0:27:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think there is a bias here\Non the English Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.94,0:27:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that it's the biggest Wikipedia\Nwhich is...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.62,0:27:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with more information.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.37,0:27:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we actually run through\Nwith the same problem
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.62,0:27:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the French Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.93,0:27:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we started, we automated infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.02,0:27:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people start following.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.24,0:28:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When there is discrepancies\Nbetween Wikidata and Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.16,0:28:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which one is right?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.79,0:28:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was 90% Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.88,0:28:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Wikidata was way better than Wikipedia\Nand we supported wrong information,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.50,0:28:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obsolete information and everything\Nthat nobody on Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.72,0:28:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had supported for years.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.52,0:28:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think the numbers are less\Nfor the English Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.85,0:28:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than for other Wikipedias.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.15,0:28:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the French Wikipedia\Nis not a small one,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.79,0:28:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Wikidata was way better.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.78,0:28:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think it's not 90%\Nfor the English Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.81,0:28:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think when these discrepancies\Nand we have tools to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.00,0:28:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, hey, this manual value is \Nconflicting with the value from Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.58,0:28:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When these semantic templates
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.98,0:28:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the code like for tables of...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.84,0:28:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,population which you have in tables,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.53,0:28:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are sometimes depending\Non the article
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.62,0:28:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as with semantic marker.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.72,0:29:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can use the semantic marker\Nand say,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.13,0:29:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the value are from infobox is not--
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.50,0:29:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have technical means\Nto track some of that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.14,0:29:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to put this\Nwhere it's originating from.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.26,0:29:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did that, welcome to French Wikipedia\Nand Wikidata statistically is right.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.06,0:29:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But on the English Wikipedia,\NI think it's a little less.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.81,0:29:25.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think it's actually a good thing\Nto have a way to spot
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.49,0:29:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a discrepancy\Nand a reference problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.30,0:29:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah, Mike Peel said that unless\Nit's the biggest Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.25,0:29:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we only use reference statements\Nand the import
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.51,0:29:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from stating with Italian Wikipedia\Nare not considered as references.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.95,0:29:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) It's kind of a relic\Nof the initial import that we did,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.68,0:29:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you're right it's not acceptable\Nas a reference statement
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.08,0:29:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most people are trying\Nto get rid of those.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.12,0:29:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Danny) Yes, it's just \Nthat it just needs...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.70,0:29:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) You need, you need--
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.93,0:29:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Danny) That's a problem that needs\Na strategy on Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.75,0:30:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like how are we going to clean that up\Nin different references?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.51,0:30:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I agree.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.51,0:30:06.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is out of this presentation, no?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.99,0:30:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's your proposal?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.09,0:30:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you propose?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.31,0:30:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (Danny) I...\N- Clean Wikidata?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.69,0:30:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Close Wikidata? I don't know.\N- (Danny) I just wanted to point out
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.54,0:30:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the distrust by people\Non some of the big Wikis
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.25,0:30:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually based on real concerns\Nabout references that--
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.43,0:30:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that's-- the references problem\Nstarts in 2013 because the references
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.59,0:30:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Wikidata was new and we couldn't deal\Nwith complicated references
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.79,0:30:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the time like technically\Non the Wikidata side.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.17,0:30:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we had like very bare references,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.16,0:30:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think some Wikipedians\Nare still stuck on that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.07,0:30:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Wikidata is in 2019 now.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.88,0:30:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have good references\Non many things.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.08,0:30:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) We're going to go\Nto the next question
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.93,0:30:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just to make sure people know,\NI think a lot of people
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.21,0:30:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in English Wikipedia\Nand other large languages
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.01,0:30:55.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are resistant \Nto some to some of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.76,0:30:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they'd make the argument that\Nan error in Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.80,0:31:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is magnified by these infoboxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.66,0:31:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the number of fact checkers\Nis also magnified, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.96,0:31:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you see it as both ways\Nlike if you have one place
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.46,0:31:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fact check and reference,\Nyou solve the problem
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.56,0:31:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for hundreds of editions\Nat the same time, right, so.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.93,0:31:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 2) Okay, so\Nwith the previous topic
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.35,0:31:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how to implement data, \Nwe in the Basque--
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.71,0:31:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we in the Basque Wikipedia,\Nwe adopted the Catalan system.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.93,0:31:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aside maybe from scratch,\Nwhen you do something incrementally
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.61,0:31:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the Catalans did, it's a lot of work
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.08,0:31:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I say this is from scratch,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.58,0:31:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I notice how long it took
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.87,0:31:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.09,0:31:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you go to Wikidata,\Nyou have the acronym of O,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.49,0:31:54.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible], as one hour\NWikidata template system
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.69,0:31:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a fully automatic system\Nand is actually one hour.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.06,0:32:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's telling everything you need\Nfor a template to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.75,0:32:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One, I mean, or biography\Nor city or one of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.99,0:32:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So implementing the five, six\Nmost used templates
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.28,0:32:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will take you like ten hours of work.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.92,0:32:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it's like something\Nyou can handle easily
Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.22,0:32:24.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in one week of volunteering\Nand you have it done.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.05,0:32:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sometimes it's like,\N"Oh, but we need a lot of templates,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.28,0:32:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need a lot of things."
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.49,0:32:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's quite straightforward.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.94,0:32:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are not at Wikipedia\Nwith only ten articles
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.16,0:32:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no templates because then you need
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.74,0:32:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the coordinates, the model of coordinates,\Nthese kind of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.82,0:32:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you have some development,\Nit will take like one hour,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.76,0:32:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two hours work to do that,\Nit's quite easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.10,0:32:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the others\Nwill be also like one hour, two hours,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.16,0:32:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not-- maybe yours is 30 minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.88,0:32:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes about two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.19,0:32:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (audience 2) That's it, it's quite easy.\N- (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.36,0:33:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, what I said with databox\Nis that the problem with databox
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.51,0:33:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not installing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.68,0:33:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's translating\Nand adding data to Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.92,0:33:11.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To have your property in Hausa,\Nthat's the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.33,0:33:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not making the infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.48,0:33:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's making the labelathons \Nand the translation and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.92,0:33:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.08,0:33:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a very different kind of problem\Nthan the English Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.86,0:33:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where most of the time\Nhave the labels or are translated easily.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.91,0:33:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 3) Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.93,0:33:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to make you aware of something\Nthat's going to be beneficial to this,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.19,0:33:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not directly related to infoboxes\Nbut it's a proposal that I and Amir
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.26,0:33:40.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a couple of other people\Nhave been working on
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.19,0:33:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for quite some time now\Naround a central repository
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.27,0:33:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for templates and modules.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.18,0:33:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at the moment, if you have a module\Nthat you've written in, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.82,0:33:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the English Wikipedia\Nand you want to use it
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.67,0:33:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Catalan Wikipedia\Nor some minority language Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.97,0:33:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of those, you have to copy\Nacross the code.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.50,0:34:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when the code is improved\Non the English Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.45,0:34:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the improvement typically\Ndoesn't get copied across
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.73,0:34:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it gets copied across sometime later.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.08,0:34:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the idea is to have\Na central repository
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.94,0:34:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where LUA modules can be held\Nand used by every Wiki
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.87,0:34:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way that you hold an image\Non Commons or a piece of data
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.55,0:34:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.97,0:34:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is a very long draft proposal\Nin MediaWiki
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.14,0:34:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I will put the address of that\Non the Etherpads
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.72,0:34:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I hand the microphone back
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.14,0:34:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- and can get a web connection.\N- (chuckles)
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.23,0:34:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would like your comments\Nand questions on that proposal.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.83,0:34:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is going to take a very long time\Nbefore this can be implemented
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.61,0:34:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it'll be quite\Na considerable change to the way
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.21,0:34:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the underlying \NMediaWiki software works.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.19,0:34:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when it comes in,\Nit will make this reuse of code
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.46,0:34:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by minor Wikipedias much more easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.41,0:34:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great, thank you, Andy.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.94,0:34:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.01,0:34:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tpt) Yes, so actually the link\Nis here for the Global Template proposal.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.16,0:34:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just did not have time to talk about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.13,0:35:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But yes, I think it would be\Ntremendously useful
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.53,0:35:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you could talk\Nto Wikimedia Foundation people
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.38,0:35:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say, "Hey, we need to make\Nthis proposal happen."
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.89,0:35:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes, it's a link to the proposal.\N- [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.48,0:35:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tpt) Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.97,0:35:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 4) Excuse me, \Ncan you say why you think it's--
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.32,0:35:19.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, no, no, no, it's not the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.79,0:35:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (audience 3) Not the same?\N- Maybe it's similar.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.94,0:35:24.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Mike) This is off topic,\Nso let's not spend so much time on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.47,0:35:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience) Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.58,0:35:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This will be incredibly useful \Nbut not yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.30,0:35:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take a look at the Etherpad.\NAndy will leave a note there.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.11,0:35:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andy, to answer to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.94,0:35:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you talk about a project
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.75,0:35:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Multilingual Templates--\Nit's a model that is a project
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.23,0:35:48.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and initiative to make a repository\Nthat you can subscribe to there.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.90,0:35:51.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anytime the owner or the creator
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.57,0:35:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this model or this template update,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.68,0:35:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the subscribers receive their own copy
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.74,0:36:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they don't change it, the previous one.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.27,0:36:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't know if finally\Nit will be this solution or another
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.97,0:36:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- but this initiative or this idea,\N- Idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:11.25,0:36:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that all of us agree.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.58,0:36:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 3) I believe that Andy\Nwas talking about Amir's proposal
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.80,0:36:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's this one that is really having\Njust like Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.10,0:36:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for templates.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.58,0:36:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (audience 5) [inaudible]\N- (audience 3) Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.89,0:36:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 5) Because you have things\Nlie the LUA code to verify
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.19,0:36:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the little check that\Nyou got a nice balance.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.39,0:36:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.92,0:36:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) You got a question.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.24,0:36:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 6) First of all,\NI wanted to thank you all
Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.31,0:36:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your great projects\Nand all of the work you're doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.87,0:36:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also the great idea\Nof the central repository,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.13,0:36:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a good thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.31,0:36:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm from the German Wikipedia\Nand we have a thing there with--
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.42,0:37:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we're trying to modify\Nmost of the infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.22,0:37:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually support data from Wikidata\Nand we ran into a problem,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.42,0:37:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more of a cultural problem, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.83,0:37:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we are importing data\Nfrom Wikidata and by default
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.74,0:37:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if nothing is entered in the infobox,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.23,0:37:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Wiki value pair\Nwhere it should be.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.94,0:37:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you leave the position empty,\Nfor example, the coordinates of something
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.96,0:37:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the data comes from Wikidata\Nand if you put something in,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.82,0:37:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a local override.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.08,0:37:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we run into a problem\Nthat sometimes people actually
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.73,0:37:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want nothing in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.00,0:37:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want--they don't want\Nto change the data in Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.29,0:37:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they don't want the data\Nfrom Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.67,0:37:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they just want to override it\Nso it says nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.78,0:37:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we seem to have no real solution\Nfor a use case scenario like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.44,0:37:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thought about using like magic words\Nto suppress the actual information
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.56,0:38:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Wikidata but I don't know if you have\Nsimilar problems in your projects
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.44,0:38:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how you tackle them.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.03,0:38:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, so we have exactly the same problem\Non French Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.77,0:38:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what the infoboxes are currently doing\Nis that if you put hyphen,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.26,0:38:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just remove the Wikidata value.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.86,0:38:14.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of a hack but it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.49,0:38:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 6) Interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.98,0:38:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the one I use\Nas a first field parameter
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.80,0:38:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you pass the name of a field leader\Nand want to show and it just hides it.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.41,0:38:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are ways of doing this.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.78,0:38:26.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's something that happens\Non English Wikipedia as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.49,0:38:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things like religion, people don't want\Nto show that in articles,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.12,0:38:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can just turn it off.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.33,0:38:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 6) Really cool, so.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.77,0:38:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as we were saying,\Nyou have multiple solutions
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.58,0:38:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depending on the multiple problem\Nand you can--on the French Wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:38.14,0:38:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have some fields which\Nare then in the infoboxes itself,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.100,0:38:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like if the infoboxes can be used\Nfor several kinds of things,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.15,0:38:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we all think, "Well, if it's this\Nspecific thing, then this field
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.16,0:38:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shouldn't show but it should show\Nif it's this other thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.70,0:38:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or manually, in this article specifically,\NI don't want this field."
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.83,0:39:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a technical solution exists\Nand we can probably implement that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.05,0:39:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the German Wikipedia, no problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.90,0:39:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 6) Really great,\Nand I'm going to look into that.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.22,0:39:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To answer you, we can...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.96,0:39:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to blend it,\Nyou can hide any parameter.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.16,0:39:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in each use, article by article.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.20,0:39:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, we are preparing a new release
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.84,0:39:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if this release is--
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.78,0:39:32.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use it another Wiki pages
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.12,0:39:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to be able to make\Nsome kind of a customization.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.30,0:39:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, what is the color\Nof the headers?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.62,0:39:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have our color code\Nbut maybe you'll want another,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.95,0:39:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't need to change the code to do that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.82,0:39:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what are the units\Nthat you want the results
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.47,0:39:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the measurements?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.62,0:39:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I use centimeters and meters\Nbut maybe you want feet and--
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.45,0:39:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all these kinds of things,\Nwe want to make a list
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.60,0:40:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of logical things that another Wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.89,0:40:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wants to customize
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.89,0:40:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this defines as a parameter\Nthat you can change
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.45,0:40:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are not changing the version\Nof the infobox
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.99,0:40:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if you change the infobox,\Nyou lose the connection
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.24,0:40:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the synchronization.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.50,0:40:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By the way, don't tell too many people\Nbut Wikidata infobox
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.98,0:40:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is on the German Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.42,0:40:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.70,0:40:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 7) Once more.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.53,0:40:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 8) Thank you, Mike.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.38,0:40:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 9) That is a working mechanism\Nthat, okay, we have
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.40,0:40:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a central repository of infoboxes\Nit's a great idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.81,0:40:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as a working--if we have\Na central repository
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.77,0:40:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of documentation, of these infoboxes\Nin meta or MediaWiki
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.87,0:40:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in a central place,\Nso everybody can benefit.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.38,0:40:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so if I can put that page\Ninto my watch list.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.17,0:40:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If something changes,\NI will get a notification
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.41,0:41:00.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I can update my template.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.69,0:41:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is easy, there is no need\Nfor a proposal for that thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.85,0:41:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can create a central repository\Nof documentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.41,0:41:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think there's much\Ndocumentation at the moment,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.59,0:41:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, yeah, that's important to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.23,0:41:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, well, actually\Nit's eight pages for databox,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.70,0:41:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way longer than the code, itself\Nbecause it's for a very smart community,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.95,0:41:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with no technical background.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.48,0:41:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think we have a tragic lack\Nof documentation in templates,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.83,0:41:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in general.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.93,0:41:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really, a tragic lack.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:33.71,0:41:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I do think that\NWikidata infoboxes are not worse.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.38,0:41:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not by a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.11,0:41:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we are working on\Nso many common LUA modules.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.44,0:41:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are always using the same LUA bricks.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.89,0:41:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So some of this documentation\Nactually probably exists
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.94,0:41:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in at least the French Wikipedia\Nbut we have a translation problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.38,0:42:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have--yeah, so a central repository\Nwould be great,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.14,0:42:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we will run\Ninto a translation problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.42,0:42:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 10) Dare I just throw out here\Nin the room that we probably
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.17,0:42:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should have Wikidata items\Nfor all of these infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.72,0:42:20.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we can have\Nthe documentation on Wikidata,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.41,0:42:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you have multilingual translations\Nthat are a lot easier to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.71,0:42:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, we actually have the templates\Nfor the translation of the documentation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.76,0:42:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of databox but people are not translating.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:32.73,0:42:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah, you could translate easily,\Nyou can help me translate that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.74,0:42:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your languages so people can use.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.83,0:42:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I can't translate that in Hausa,\NI don't speak Hausa, though.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.37,0:42:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In any case, when we talk about\Nthe accommodation of the template,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.55,0:42:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are thinking in a large accommodation,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.04,0:42:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the display in each parameter\Nand each value that you can put,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.06,0:42:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.59,0:43:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our experience is 60% of all of articles\Nhas just info [inaudible] person
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.72,0:43:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,info [inaudible] building,\Ninfo [inaudible] no parameters.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.56,0:43:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the unique documentation\Nthat you need and we don't have,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.34,0:43:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very well, I confess,\Nis that was the model
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.37,0:43:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that data that\Nyou have to fill in Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.14,0:43:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not how the template runs\Nbecause you do not need it anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.71,0:43:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have stories--\Noh, sorry, just rather quick--
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.38,0:43:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stories of Catalan and Basque\Nwho are like 80% infoboxes in Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.15,0:43:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is incredible.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.15,0:43:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English at the other end of the spectrum.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:42.99,0:43:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other languages,\NI love to hear from other folks
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.89,0:43:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after we hear from Jane,\Nabout your experiences.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.46,0:43:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,French is somewhere\Nmaybe in between... yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.02,0:43:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Jane) Okay, the wonderful \NSandra Fauconnier is not
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.38,0:43:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the room, I don't think,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.65,0:43:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did this amazing page on Wikidata\Nfor the visual arts
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.39,0:44:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where she actually put in\Nall of the things
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.40,0:44:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are actually considered artworks.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:03.29,0:44:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you could have a page on Wikidata\Nthat has your infobox
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.21,0:44:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all of the fields.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.83,0:44:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the fields can--\Nthose are actual things in Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.31,0:44:13.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why I talk about\Nmultilingual translation
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.90,0:44:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is automatically done for you\Nand you just put it in a huge table.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.95,0:44:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that actually is the same problem\Nwe have on other projects,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.03,0:44:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we talked about the WikidataCon,\Nand I think it's a running thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:24.91,0:44:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Wiki projects, I think\Nare making data modeling,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.60,0:44:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying, hey, \Nwe should do that on Wikidata
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.77,0:44:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have outreach problem \Nin that Wikidatians which are not working
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.58,0:44:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this specific subject\Ndon't know how the data is modeled.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.46,0:44:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Wikipedians know that even less\Nand everything else.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.73,0:44:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So most of it already exists in some form.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.91,0:44:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But people who need it\Ndon't know they need it
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.96,0:44:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they don't search\Nfor the help pages which exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.94,0:45:02.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, it's not only a Wiki\Nand infoboxes problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.07,0:45:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a more general problem
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.93,0:45:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we ran [into] several stations\Ntoday and yesterday, so.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.64,0:45:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very good.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.13,0:45:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any other reports or folks, or Shani?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.13,0:45:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shani) Well, not report but a question\Nto the people in the room.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.37,0:45:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A show of hands if we can,\Nfor a second, how many think that
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.60,0:45:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a central repository of infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.82,0:45:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is needed?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.02,0:45:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, let's do the opposite.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.84,0:45:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there any people who oppose?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.74,0:45:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so, Andy, this is for you,\Nwhy did you say it's going to take
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.13,0:45:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- a long time to--\N- (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.99,0:45:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's going to take a long time\Nbecause the people working
Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.46,0:45:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on infoboxes want it\Nand the people using the infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.81,0:45:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't want it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.03,0:45:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a--
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.41,0:45:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, yeah, so on a technical level,\Nmaking a--if you want to do it properly
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.94,0:46:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so having one Wiki,\Nwhere you put infobox codes
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.44,0:46:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're having other Wikis\Ntaking the code
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.12,0:46:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and doing some proper rendering,\Nit's kind of hard on the technical level.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.71,0:46:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's going to--so it's basically\Nlike implementing Wikidata--
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.36,0:46:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like, for example,\Ngetting Wikidata content
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.69,0:46:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into Wikipedia was hard\Non a technical level,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.63,0:46:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's going to be the same\Nand so it's something that
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.98,0:46:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a volunteer, for example,\Ncouldn't do at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.11,0:46:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why it takes a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.76,0:46:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 11) So it's a WF thing?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.43,0:46:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's definitely a WMF thing, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.69,0:46:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- [inaudible]\N- Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.25,0:46:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) You can help with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.64,0:46:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's software release engineering,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.77,0:46:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically, if you think about it, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.71,0:46:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it gets pretty complex.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.67,0:46:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand and I agree with you\Nthat it's not easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.72,0:46:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.60,0:46:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it's a dream,\Na repository central,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.05,0:47:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repository et cetera, et cetera.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:00.66,0:47:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, when I try to do
Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.85,0:47:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an installation pack,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:07.48,0:47:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problems that I found\Nis not only the translation problem
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.20,0:47:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the language is different\Nbut even that the--
Dialogue: 0,0:47:17.98,0:47:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the modus operandi is different.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.98,0:47:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, the [inaudible] model\Nexists from several years.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:25.32,0:47:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of us copy it from the English version
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.95,0:47:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but after that, we have to change it
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.81,0:47:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to adapt to our measurements.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:35.70,0:47:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these kind of things
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.95,0:47:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the model or the elements
Dialogue: 0,0:47:42.16,0:47:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put in the repository
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.06,0:47:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is prepared to do that\Nor the repository is not the solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.83,0:47:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not only a question\Nof translating the language
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.02,0:47:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also that the running way
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.07,0:48:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,must be different for each\None of necessities of each user filter.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.65,0:48:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you don't take care of all of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:07.05,0:48:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the model will know universally.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.27,0:48:13.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the difficulty,\Nnot the question of how
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.39,0:48:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a repository with automatic replication--
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.48,0:48:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, this is a technical solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.54,0:48:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.64,0:48:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually on the French Wikipedia,\None of the biggest, biggest
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.84,0:48:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and longest war edits\Nbefore Wikidata was a project
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.06,0:48:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that we have\Nthree different infoboxes for our cities.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.94,0:48:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there were infoboxes\Nwith data with cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.47,0:48:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally manually,\Nso no Wikidata question here.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.94,0:48:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have war edits\Nabout these templates for years.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.82,0:48:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a very big thing\Nbecause people were like,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.43,0:48:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No, I prefer information this way"\Nor, "I prefer information this way."
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.23,0:48:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have a big repository.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.03,0:48:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are multiplying that for every template\Nacross every Wiki and for community
Dialogue: 0,0:48:57.43,0:49:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have edits for years\Nand years and years.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.29,0:49:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have a technical problem to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.28,0:49:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we will fight\Nwith a very, very big push
Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.09,0:49:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against it by people who are not\Ncreating the infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:49:13.95,0:49:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or using the infoboxes
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.00,0:49:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but will just be really happy\Nthat their specific field,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.26,0:49:23.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are used to have at the top\Nof the infobox will get in the middle.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.31,0:49:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what we will fight against.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:25.40,0:49:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because everyone wants a repository.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.52,0:49:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But everyone wants a repository\Nof their template as they want them.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.11,0:49:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.19,0:49:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Yeah, just--
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.33,0:49:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 3) Thank you,\NI think that's a valid point.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.11,0:49:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the idea is to provide\Na repository of modules.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.56,0:49:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then people can put\Ntheir own front end on them
Dialogue: 0,0:49:45.82,0:49:48.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they want to, in a local template.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.59,0:49:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they don't want to,\Nthere should be a shared template
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.80,0:49:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which they can use\Nout of the box as it were.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.64,0:49:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's certainly\Nmeant to be configurable
Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.09,0:49:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is taken account\Ninto the proposal that Amir has drafted,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.14,0:50:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you read that and indeed,\Nif you read the discussion page,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.98,0:50:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that issue has already been addressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.49,0:50:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shani) Can I talk on to something?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:10.95,0:50:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take the mic.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.79,0:50:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Shani) Sorry, just to note\Nthat on Hebrew Wikipedia, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.76,0:50:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the templates that we--\Nthat the infoboxes that we use,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.40,0:50:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are automatic and come from Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:23.92,0:50:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's always an option\Nfor the community to edit that template
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.84,0:50:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and adjust it to our specific needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:32.47,0:50:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (Shani) So--\N- No, the repository problem
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.64,0:50:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not about taking information\Nabout Wikidata.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.98,0:50:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like on the French Wikipedia,\Nfor dates, we will have
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.21,0:50:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space between, I don't know,\Nthe day, then the month, then the year.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.31,0:50:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't want that order in English.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:50.50,0:50:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when you pull a data from dates,\Nyou want it formatted in English
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.94,0:50:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you want it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.45,0:51:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the idea of the repository\Nwould be a generic LUA template
Dialogue: 0,0:51:02.85,0:51:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with dates where you can just put,\N"Hey, this is French,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:05.88,0:51:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I want this formatting.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.38,0:51:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is English, I want this."
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.30,0:51:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So whatever infoboxes or other templates\Nyou are using with dates,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:14.96,0:51:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can use the exact same infobox\Nand have it correct in your language.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:21.10,0:51:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's a technical problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.26,0:51:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can I suggest go to the Tool page,\Ntalk about it there?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:27.42,0:51:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amir would love feedback on this,\Nso please, do edit there.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.78,0:51:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, yeah, a repository\Nis a really great thing
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.54,0:51:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for everyone working on Wikidata\Nbut it's really not Wikidata-centric,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:41.71,0:51:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the problem we are running with that idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.99,0:51:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone here will love it.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.50,0:51:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.01,0:51:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Any other questions.\NJoão, do you have a question?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:51.55,0:51:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 12) Just a general question.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.38,0:51:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, sorry, more aimed at Mike,\NI have come across the problem
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.44,0:52:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of wanting to use the infoboxes\Non species pages in WikiCommons.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.06,0:52:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a species category in WikiCommons.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.17,0:52:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are taxonomic\Nminded people who really
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.70,0:52:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not like Wikidata going anywhere near
Dialogue: 0,0:52:15.21,0:52:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all their beautifully curated data\Nwhich has no references
Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.53,0:52:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah.\N- in their category.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:20.75,0:52:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 12) And I find it quite--\NI personally can handle the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.96,0:52:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the two pieces\Nof data disagree, that's fine
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.07,0:52:32.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because taxonomists disagree\Nall the time about whether something
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.09,0:52:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is even a species or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:33.74,0:52:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the people who I have edited\Ntheir category pages for
Dialogue: 0,0:52:38.10,0:52:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go off the deep end at me for doing it,\Nso I've learned very quickly
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.95,0:52:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to back off and not do it\Nand only do it for my categories
Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.38,0:52:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm creating and I'm very quick\Nabout creating my categories
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.96,0:52:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before they get anywhere near them,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:49.59,0:52:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that I can stick\Na Wikidata-sourced infobox on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:54.99,0:52:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they don't take it off\Nbecause it's there first.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:57.70,0:53:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they do still put\Ntheir own data in there
Dialogue: 0,0:53:00.31,0:53:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- and references.\N- Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.45,0:53:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So taxons are the one exception\Non Commons at the moment
Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.14,0:53:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- to the Wikidata infobox deployment?\N- (audience 12) Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.50,0:53:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's probably because it's a Commons thing\Nbut anyway, if you go
Dialogue: 0,0:53:09.02,0:53:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Village pump/proposals,\Nthere was currently,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.30,0:53:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I submitted a proposal \Nto add them to taxons.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.64,0:53:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So go comment on there, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.58,0:53:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- (audience 12) Okay.\N- (laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:53:16.92,0:53:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's currently being discussed.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.44,0:53:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) We only have\Nabout five minutes left.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:23.48,0:53:27.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So one--oh, two minutes left.\N- Yeah, I have an answer to Andy.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:27.93,0:53:28.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andy?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.31,0:53:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you proposed about...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.75,0:53:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a common base,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:37.28,0:53:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a personalized presentation,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.12,0:53:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the Basque solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.56,0:53:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They copy it all modeled \Nand old templated.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.40,0:53:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after that, they modify\Ntheir templates.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.93,0:53:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now, similar\Nbut they have their own copy.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.20,0:54:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, also it's time\Nwe made an upgrade.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:01.40,0:54:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say we have a--\Nwith relationship I send a message.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.37,0:54:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I can send a copy...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.50,0:54:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to you?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:07.55,0:54:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is a [inaudible]\Nof the implementator.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:12.45,0:54:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Make modifications or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:14.32,0:54:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) One last question\Nfor the folks there.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:16.39,0:54:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many people here know about\NShape Expressions in Wikidata?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:20.61,0:54:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're E numbers in Wikidata?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.19,0:54:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You got a quick slide up there.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.54,0:54:26.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what do you folks predict\Nas the relationship between
Dialogue: 0,0:54:26.91,0:54:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you're doing with infoboxes\Nand the rise of Shape Expressions
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.05,0:54:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or ShEx in Wikidata?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:31.48,0:54:33.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a mic right there.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:33.53,0:54:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would love to be able to define\Ninfoboxes with Shape Expression.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.83,0:54:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because here you would write,\Nbasically my idea is that
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.77,0:54:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would write a Shape Expression,\Non the how data should look like
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.96,0:54:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you annote--\Nmaybe annoted them
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.32,0:54:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some labels if you want to customize\Nlet's say a field name.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.17,0:54:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then it would be able to do\Nmultiple things.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:51.27,0:54:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, generating infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.28,0:54:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, the shape is--\Nhere's an example of Shape Expression
Dialogue: 0,0:54:56.37,0:54:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a personal infobox,\Nyou would just first say that
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.59,0:55:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a sex and gender property
Dialogue: 0,0:55:01.29,0:55:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some added values,\Nsome birth dates
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.62,0:55:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some, let's say\Nit's a nationality and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.11,0:55:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you could see it as a section\Nof infobox on which you could give
Dialogue: 0,0:55:12.50,0:55:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a label in multiple languages.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:14.08,0:55:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this way you are able\Nto first generate an infobox.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.00,0:55:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you are able to validate the data.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.56,0:55:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you want to do--\Nyou could even do some fun stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:55:24.93,0:55:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like generating having some--\Nyou know the project of Wikimedia Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:55:29.78,0:55:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being able to edit Wikidata\Nfrom Wikipedias.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.22,0:55:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience 14) Wikidata Bridge.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:33.64,0:55:35.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikidata Bridge, yes, I thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.13,0:55:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So countries working on each field\Nbut if you have these kind of things
Dialogue: 0,0:55:38.22,0:55:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for infobox, you can do edit forms,\Nthat works on the field level,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.94,0:55:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but on the infobox level.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:43.84,0:55:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you already know\Nwhich has the possible values.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.50,0:55:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, for a property\Nor could be able to say
Dialogue: 0,0:55:49.26,0:55:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you might have multiple values\Nfor some but not for others
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.21,0:55:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:54.85,0:55:58.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you would have both displays,\Nvalidations and editing
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.38,0:56:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all in the same place.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:01.13,0:56:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for the display part,\Nit would be like for the Catalan state.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.65,0:56:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With four infoboxes,\Nthey are like ask the data.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.22,0:56:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have a Shape Expression,\Nwe could say,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:12.72,0:56:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, this is a human,\NI want this layout,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.43,0:56:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a location, I want this layout,"
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.14,0:56:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without ever needing\Nseveral infoboxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.62,0:56:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it would be a way\Nto make databox even prettier,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:28.30,0:56:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a very small Wikipedia and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.27,0:56:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah, a big thing\NI'm enthusiastic about.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.30,0:56:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With four changes, I solve 50%.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.77,0:56:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.\N(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.13,0:56:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't see how it integrates Shape \NExpressions into the Wikidata infobox
Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.38,0:56:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it just uses--\Nit's one thing for everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.78,0:56:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where this is breaking it down again\Ninto individual bits and pieces
Dialogue: 0,0:56:51.02,0:56:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and changing the amount of formatting\Nfor each individual area
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.70,0:56:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which maybe it isn't so useful.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.21,0:56:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very useful to gain data into Wikidata\Nand saying this is what we want
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.52,0:56:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in these entries.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.60,0:57:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then the infoboxes\Ncan just display the whole lot
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.69,0:57:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without having to go\Ninto this complex thing, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.24,0:57:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I agree with Mike.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.47,0:57:10.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of our goals, initial goals,\Nwas the harmonization.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:12.03,0:57:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't like my look and feel,\Nyou can make a proposal to change.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:18.31,0:57:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But everybody will have the same,\Na [inaudible] Wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.90,0:57:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if not,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:24.96,0:57:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finally you can have\Nfour infoboxes for 50%,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.94,0:57:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need 40 infoboxes for 50%.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:34.14,0:57:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's very dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.78,0:57:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.80,0:57:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, I agree that\Nmaybe the [sign] doesn't like,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.21,0:57:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I change it.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.56,0:57:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But all the articles would be the same,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.07,0:57:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same that we agree.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.18,0:57:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Andrew) Great, well, thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.33,0:57:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's have a hand for the [inaudible]
Dialogue: 0,0:57:50.55,0:57:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(applause)
Dialogue: 0,0:57:51.98,0:57:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, and continue\Nthe conversation online, top page
Dialogue: 0,0:57:54.49,0:57:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or find them later on.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:55.88,0:57:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks.