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[assume vivid astro focus: Spontaneity and[br]Concentration]

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[SUDBRACK] Me and Christophe have been working[br]together

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since 2005.

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I've never lived in the same city as Christophe

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since we started working together.

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At one point I lived in Berlin,

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now I'm splitting my time between Sao Paolo

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and New York.

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And he lives in Paris, you know,

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so we don't actually live in the same place.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] But you want to know the[br]truth?

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I mean, I think sometimes we're like...

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we know each other super well.

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I mean, we've been apart for almost a year,

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physically, on the same continent, we were, like...

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[SUDBRACK] More.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] But since...

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[SUDBRACK] April.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] Yeah, April.

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[SUDBRACK] More than a year.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] Yeah, I mean...

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my God, you're so picky!

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Talking about, yeah, a year and a month!

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[BOTH LAUGH]

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I think our minds are connected,

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but then this like physical thing

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that we need to get used to again,

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you know what I mean?

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[SUDBRACK] I think we needed to focus more.

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We needed something that was quieter.

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When I was making installations before,

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I was creating a space in which people could[br]actually

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be as spontaneous as they would like to.

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But the thing is, for me,

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it was never absolutely spontaneous

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because I had so much, you know,

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production that I had to take care of.

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We felt that we needed to

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do less with other collaborators--

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and dealing with emails and production issues.

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And I felt like, okay, this is, like,

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one of the reasons why I wanted to make paintings,

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because that way, I can actually be more spontaneous myself.

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I think it's also about getting older, too.

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The pleasures are closer to you.

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For this show in New York,

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even though we influence each other,

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we actually go into different directions.

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I'm making this group of paintings,

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and he's making another group of paintings.

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He's going a more abstract, geometric way.

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I'm thinking more about the figure.

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I just wanted to bring that idea

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that somebody can transform their bodies at[br]their will,

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and that's an act of freedom.

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In our show last year

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in Sao Paolo,

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we made these pieces called "Transgeometric"

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which were half tranny bodies,

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and half geometric shapes.

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So somehow, I felt like these trannies

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could be transformed into a full on

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geometric shape with time.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] This is the position...

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so, you have the...like, this part,

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which is like the butt here.

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And there's like a...how do you say, ball...

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Like a testicle?

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The two nails...

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And here, you have like the other butt,

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with the legs,

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like the thigh.

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Like one boob coming out of it.

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And then here, you have the calf.

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Yeah. Do you see it?

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With like, this is like another boob coming[br]out of it.

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And another one here.

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And then you have the beginning of the foot,

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of the heel here.

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[SUDBRACK] I was looking for a different,[br]sort of,

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representation of the female figure.

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Different from what I usually look at,

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which is like, the...the porn--

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something that I always somehow

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wanted to absorb in our installations,

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to mix low and high references.

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And now that I'm making paintings,

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I feel like I have to do that

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in one single, iconic image.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] It can be higher, I guess.

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[SUDBRACK] No, I think it should be lower,[br]probably.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] No, but look...

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I like how it's like...you know?

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It's not a line, whereas this is below this one...

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[SUDBRACK] This was pretty much

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the very first positioning

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we had come up with--

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very quickly.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] But I think sometimes, like[br]the...

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the more spontaneous you are [LAUGHS]

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can be the better, and I think...yeah...

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[SUDBRACK] So we went back,

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we did a few adjustments--

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that's pretty much the way we thought, at[br]first.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] There was a lot of debate[br]between us,

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if we should just install the painting on[br]the white wall,

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or if we should still conceive some sort of

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special environment to place the canvas on[br]the wall.

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And then we went for the mural,

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which is like a continuation

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of what we would have done in the past

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with wallpaper.

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[SUDBRACK] We start titling our shows

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with these different combos,

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according to the different combinations you[br]could do

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with 'a' 'v' 'a' 'f'.

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[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] The title of the show is

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"adderall valium ativan focalin,"

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which are, like, usually drugs which are prescribed

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to cure, like, kids of attention disorder.

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They cannot focus more than

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half an hour in classes.

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[SUDBRACK] It's a big change

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to be concentrated on one media.

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But, we both needed some time

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that was just more devoted

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to the actual making.

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It's a lot of work,

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but actually, I'm having a lot of fun

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and pleasure

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working right on the canvas.