People from Here

Welcome to People from Here.

What we want to tell you today
is the story of two young people,

of two young people with high hopes.

There is Adelina,
a brilliant lawyer who works

at a prestigious legal firm in Milan.

Then there is Hector,
an industrial chemist.

The future can only smile
at Adelina and Hector.

Actually,
their future will be more turbulent

than they could have ever imagined.

The fact is,
in 1938 Hector and Adelina are Jewish.

On September 18th,
in the town of Trieste,

Benito Mussolini announced Racial Laws
for the first time,

for the defense of the race.

The world of those two young people
suddenly collapses under their feet.

We will tell this story
of Hector and Adelina

and about the eve of the day.

We will tell it with the son
of Hector and Adelina,

Daniele Finzi, who in 2011, decided
to donate his parents letters

and documents
to The Archives of Pieve Santo Stefano.

Shortly we will also discuss why
this choice was made.

I would like to start precisely
with September 1938,

with Mussolini's announcement
of the laws for the defense of the race.

Hector and Adelina immediately started
to understand that there was no future

for them in that country.

To leave their country was
a difficult decision,

but one that will save their lives.

Yes, my father Hector Finzi had
very deep historical knowledge.

Also because he knew German very well.

He had two aunts, aunt Genie
and aunt Lazagudita Gentiluomo,

who both lived in Vienna.

He had followed all
the Nazi antisemitism up to March 1938.

So when the race manifesto was published
in July 1938, he didn't expect it.

He knew what our limits were
and he also hoped

that Italy was perhaps
a little different from Germany.

And my father, more than my mother,
made quick and immediate decisions.

He was also very intuitive.

He had known my mom only
a few month in 1938.

It was love at first sight
and because of the race manifesto,

the Racial Laws,
they decided to get married.

They were married in Milan
on December 1, 1938.

In 1938. We arrive in 1939.
- Yes.

A manifest date for many.
- Yes.

Very unjust, but there is a turning point.
- There is a turning point.

Hector and Adelina decide to leave.
Or rather, how do they depart?

Because, in a way,
they leave well informed.

Yes and no.
The problem is immediate

and that of money.

Because the White Paper of the British,
a policy from maybe February

or March of 1939, 
allowed a total of 75,000 Jews

to enter Palestine for five years.

But to qualify, 
every person needed to have 1,000 stars.

Like we had said, they had chosen.
The goal was Palestine.

The choice was not a coincidence,
because my father had also thought

of Latin America.

But the idea of going 
to Palestine was because it was nearby.

He also hoped his parents could join him.

In any case, 
the issue of money was really

a huge problem
because they didn't have money.

So, thanks to the lawyer Gianni Morandi,
who was the owner of the firm

where my mom worked,
they went to Zurich for their honeymoon.

Then they went to Lugano
to gather clients for the lawyer

to put towards this large sum.

I still remember two leather bags
with thousands of stars inside.

They were gold stars.

Okay, at this point, they reach Palestine.
The State of Israel still didn't exist.

There wasn't any money to protect them.
Therefore, they had to start from scratch?

Yes, and so, they started all over again
from January to April 1, 1939.

They arrived in Jaffa on April 6, 1939.

Yes, because by 1922
the British controlled Palestine.

There were Palestinian Arabs.

The Jewish Palestinians were organized
by the <i>Yishuv</i>, who were more concerned

with the <i>kibbutz</i> and wanted
to dedicate themselves

to agriculture, etc.

But the harm, the political one,
was directed by the Arab agency.

The Arab agency was, well,
I will give you an example.

Those who arrived
in Tel Aviv on April 7th,

were in school learning modern Hebrew
twenty days after arriving,

because there were various Jews
in Tel Aviv from every part of Europe.

And so, it was necessary
to learn this common language.

Therefore, there was some organization,
but there were a lot of problems.

In any case, where I mentally find...
- Ah, yes.

...this small amount of protection.
However, they had to start...

They had to restart.
- ...from scratch.

On the other hand, however,
there were also a lot of comforts

that were left behind by the fact
of having to abandon...

- Yes.
...Italy.

Having to leave Italy was strenuous.
- Yes.

In regard to this,
I would also read an excerpt

from the letters
that may have been donated to the archive,

diaries in which Hector specifies
what he was feeling shortly after the time

at which he abandoned Italy.

We will read from this excerpt:
"When I left Italy four months ago,

"feeling more disgusted by the burden
of having to leave the country

"than for the imminent danger,
many of my colleagues

"and friends were quick
to express to me their discontent

"about what was happening.

"Through their conversations,
I felt they knew what sympathy meant

"and they only ended up withdrawing me.

"They were whispered in room conversations
solely because they knew me

"and thought highly of me.

"For many, being an example against
the persecution of Jews not being born

"in Italy, could also be considered fair
because it is understood that they came

"to the country to make a fortune
by going behind other's backs.

"They had some skilled political views.

"The fascist government's right
to persecute people that it had let into

"the country was generally recognized."

Okay, so Hector felt betrayed by Italy?

Without a doubt.

As I was saying prior,
also because my father was from Trieste.

From his father, my grandfather,
he had also received an irredentist

and nationalist education.

Trieste...
- Of course.

...had always been divided
between people from Trieste

instead of irredentists,
those who love Italy, Italian culture,

Italian language,
like my grandfather and the Slovenians.

He had received this education,
and so he was an irredentist nationalist.

Additionally, he was a genius official,
and so he felt like an Italian.

He loved Italy
and he felt betrayed by this terrible law.

In addition, in Hector's letters,
in this text, it also highlights

a responsibility
by the Italian people themselves

for that which is happening.

He writes:
"The political maturity

"of the Italian people
is apparently that of government rule

"that it has and that it deserves."

There is a precise responsibility
by the people.

Well, the problem of the Italian people...
(Laughter)

is living, yes, it's like saying...

living today like yesterday.

In other words,
the lack of personal responsibility

and...not this...

in this way...y..., accepting anything,
a leader or a guide,

that which has
an...an...uglier appearance, if you will.

And that...Trieste,
not coincidentally Mussolini

and September 18, 1938,
where they were

at the Unity of Italy Square
to present the Racial Laws

not only because of
the nationalism that was there,

but because Trieste was
a very multiethnic, multicultural city.

There were more than two centuries
in which ethnic groups were diverse.

They coexisted.

But at the very moment 
in which Mussolini was harsh towards Jews,

who, I repeat, were profound Italians
and felt as such, and had also fought

for Italy during the First World War,
at the point, everyone was inclined

to accept the rule of fascism.

We return to Hector and Adelina,
who, because of their decisions,

leave the Second World War behind,
in which the persecution of Jews

and the holocaust is about to start.

They leave behind the errors of war,
however, like I said, they face a life

that is not easy.

Like we said,
Adelina was a lawyer with a great career.

She finds herself having
to start her work up again.

Yes, because the main difficulty was
a work shortage.

There was an excess of workers
(Laughter)

from Tel Aviv.

And then, there were few jobs
or they were completely insecure.

Another big problem was
a housing shortage.

So much so that my parents were forced
to live with a family in an apartment,

with a kind of Polish family.

And so the difficulty was, above all,
the work shortage.

Also because the two small bags
of two thousand stars were not

to be touched at all.
My father was not flexible.

And so then my mom, in other words,
my mom, as long as my father remained

in Tel Aviv until August 23, 1944,
when he then went to work

at the British oil refinery... yes...
No, he also had my mom

because then he had had my sister first
and then I was born in 1942.

So then when my father left,
he felt the obligation to work

to support the family
also because he liked the idea

of having money...
(Laughter)

to freely spend.

As mentioned, your mother was free...
- Yes, free.

in Palestine.
- Yes.

Your father, on the other hand,
had to move abroad to Persia

because meanwhile he found work
with an oil company.

So two lovers who find themselves
far apart in a foreign land,

and the only point of contact
between these two people becomes

the writing, the letters
that will then become so important

for documentation, for their memories.
- Yes.

In fact, if my father accepts
this two year contract

with this Iranian company,
from Abadan and in Persia,

he would do his work
as an industrial chemist

in this precise military zone.

He certainly separated from,
he left his wife, his children,

in Tel Aviv.
Then, although very tired,

every evening my mom wrote
and reported what had happened

during her workday,
because she had found work

with a company that was part
of the Tel Aviv pharmaceutical industry.

After then being fired,
she went into a...into a house to iron...

So, she could do anything.
And so she reported with great ability,

descriptive, careful about everything
that went on during the day.

Rather, my father sometimes wrote letters
with extensive description.

He explained to her a bit about his duty,
weather problems because it was very hot,

relationships with the British,
that local population that was

in truly devastating conditions.
Okay so they were letters that,

among other things... If you permit me...
- Sure.

a tangent... Things one absolutely knew
but I didn't even know

the letters existed.

Then perhaps we can also elaborate
on how they were found.

Then also about how the decision
to publish them came about.

Let's go back.
We had said that while Hector

and Adelina were in Palestine,
their children were born.

Yes, my sister...
- You were born

and your sister Ana was born.

It is fitting that the future
of these two children is often focused

on in these letters that Hector
and Adelina exchange.

I would like to read another
particularly significant passage

that is again written by Hector
in Abadan in February 23, 1945:

"If on one hand, the war tends
to be nearing its end, on the other,

"for us, the situation in Palestine
is taking a favorable turn.

"These days, I am overthinking
and continuously thinking

"about the problem and worried,
not so much about our personal future,

"but the future of our children.
I feel irresistibly carried towards

"a solution that,
although never once explored,

"today seems inevitable to me.
Perhaps in a year's time we will find

"the need to have to return to Italy.
Then they will return

"to being one hundred percent Italians."

Probably if your father could have chosen,
he would have never...ah...wanted

to return to Italy.

Yes, I would have wanted to also.
Rather no, because of having been betrayed

by Italy, my father deeply desired
to return to Italy.

Apart from the experience in Abadan,
also because life in Palestine was truly

very hard, very difficult because of
the work problem, the problem

of the...of the...the lack of apartments.
However, we can't forget

that the attention, the attention
from the Palestinian Arabs and the British

made life particularly difficult.

If we could return back in time...
- Yes.

In September 1940, Tel Aviv was bombed
by Italian planes, no?...

Yes.
- They bombed Tel Aviv and it seems

like there were one hundred
and fifty two deaths.

So life was very hard.
Another tangent...uh... In other words,

one of the big problems was also food.

For example, myself sister and I went
to the <i>gan</i>, which was like kindergarten.

To help you understand, at lunch they used
to give us half an egg to eat.

On the other hand,
while you all faced this situation,

the hope of returning
to Italy continuously remained.

And how did Adelina live
with the hope of returning?

I will read...
- Yes.

...another passage that is significant:
"I will never ask myself

"to take that step.
Here I feel undoubtedly hesitant

"by instinct and by force of tradition.
And I won't ever ask myself not only out

"of obedience, 
but because more than anything else,

"I am concerned
about doing everything possible

"for the future of our children."

It's like saying,
she was also willing to do her part.

There was a sense of pride
to return to Italy, that country

that had dismissed them
in order to then guarantee

a future for you children.

Then here there is a...
(Laughter)

There are many letters.
In any case, when my father says

that they will be
one hundred percent Italians,

he also proposes to my mom
the idea of converting to Catholicism,

because we were Jews.
- Of course.

Then, while the Finzis
of Trieste were assimilated

almost completely...
In other words,

they went to the temple twice a year.
Instead, my mom was from

a much more orthodox family.
They came from the Parrdo,

a very important Iberian family.

Parrdo which was Prado then.
They came from Spain after the expulsion.

So my father proposes this idea
of converting to Catholicism

in order for his children...
- To become...

Yes, to become totally Italians
even as a religion.

However my mom... Here it says
that she was reluctant.

Not because she was personally orthodox.
But because, in that moment when

it was known what was happening
in Europe, the extermination camps

or also a difficult situation,
they absolutely didn't know

where my paternal
and maternal grandparents were.

So, however, the news arrived
even betraying the origin... In short...

It was quite heavy.
- Very heavy.

By the way, meanwhile how did the news
about the war circulate in Europe?

Was there just an awareness
of what was happening?

Was there an awareness
of the extermination camps?

Yes.
- Most of all, also how did they live

with these duplicate feelings?
Because, on the one hand,

there was this hope
of being able to return one day

to a normal life in Italy.
On the other hand, however,

there was a lot of love
also for the fate of loved ones.

They knew everything.

Both about the Jewish institution
and the British.

The news arrived quite detailed.
I don't want to forget a noteworthy group

of young Jews that were part
of the Jewish brigade.

They fought alongside the British
and they also fought in Italy,

in all of Europe.
It was them that said the news offered

details about what was taking place.
So they knew about everything

about what was coming
to Italy and Europe.

The concerns were precisely
that my paternal grandparents,

those who then were moved from Auschwitz,
they did not...

The last official news was transmitted
by a type of telegram by the Red Cross

in July of 1943.
Then my father knew absolutely nothing.

My mom didn't know.
She knew that her parents were hidden.

Her brother was in Switzerland.
But they had absolutely no news.

They couldn't say or write anything
because the mail was altered.

Outgoing and incoming mail was altered.
I found that at least some details

in the letters had been deleted precisely
by the person that did the alterations.

So my father needed to be careful
because they were altered by the British.

They were altered by the Persians.
Then they were altered on arrival

in Palestine.
So they were...

In this situation,
they also found themselves in a state

of uncertainty being far from Europe,
far from what was happening in Europe,

far from the war.

For the moment, Adelina perhaps had hoped
that her family would be privileged

in the immense tragedy
that afflicted the Jews of Europe,

that they would all find themselves
reunited upon their return.

There was almost this illusion, this hope.

Hope is often the last idea.
Hence, there was hope.

They didn't have detailed news.
My father's brother was a doctor

who lived in Bologna
in the mountains of Monghidoro.

He knew
that his parents had been arrested,

that they had been deported.
However, he had not communicated anything.

Then, even though...
There could have always been

the hope of return by being in Aushwitz.

Therefore, they hoped, they hoped.

Unfortunately, however,
the terrible news arrived.

They also arrived in Palestine while
the war...

It was over.
- It was already over.

And like you said,
the terrible news arrived by mail.

News so terrible
that Adelina cannot even transcribe them

in a letter to Hector.
She writes:

"My dear, unfortunately,
the dreary news has arrived.

"I am sending you the letter
because I don't have the courage

"to write to you
about it with my own pen."

It's terrible.
Unfortunately, they were effects

of what had just happened
in the war in Europe.

In a communication letter separate
from the international cross.

Maybe in that exact moment Hector
and Adelina understood

what they had escaped from?

Yes without a doubt.
I will also tell you

that when my father had
the idea of going to Palestine,

everyone criticized him;
friends, parents, brothers, the sister,

because they said
he was always pessimistic.

He would rather have wanted them all
to also come with him.

However, he expected it, also because
the war in Europe ended on May 8, 1945.

The news gets to him in August.
Given that months go by

where he doesn't receive positive news,
he feared for the lives of his parents.

Excuse me but if you permit me.
- Of course.

But before the communication
about the deaths of his parents,

he received communication from Sweden
that said his sister was saved.

Then my aunt Yolanda Clara was part
of that group of prisoners

that were moved
from Auschwitz in December 1944.

They were moved west
so as not to leave a mass

of prisoners in Auschwitz,
because the Red Army was coming.

She was then liberated
in the north of Ravensbrück in April 1945.

She was then transferred
to Sweden to recover.

We have said that at this point,
the war ended and Hector and Adelina

along with their children decide
to return to Italy.

How difficult was it once again to start
from scratch because they actually had

to start from scratch.

Ah yes.
It was difficult.

My father's brother,
who had worked in Sansepolcro,

helped him get a job at his work.
He spoke with Mr. Marco Vittoni

and he said he was quite willing
to hire his brother because he was

a chemist.
Mr. Vittoni wanted a change of pace

for his company.
But when we arrived in Italy in May 1946,

with a short stop in Bologna
and then to Parma at the home

of my maternal grandparents,
and then to Sansepolcro precisely

in November of 1946,
we had absolutely nothing.

And there was nothing...
(Laughter)

Without a doubt, a country in devastation.
- Yes, a country in devastation.

I remember the path with holes.
I remember the Tower of Berta Square

in a pile of ruins.
- The Tower of Berta Square was destroyed.

I repeat, it was also a problem to eat.
I remember my father rented

a furnished apartment
in Saint Claire Square

in which the conditions were...
- Insecure.

Very, very insecure.
However, they were young

and they wanted to start over.
There was my sister and myself.

So, they desired to put a painful time
of their lives behind them and start over.

You have previously already answered
that there was resentment towards

that country that made them run away
and also towards those friends

that...
- No.

had put down the idea of the legeri...
- No, absolutely not.

Other than it being something
that is part of our DNA.

Resentment is useless.
It's best to move forward,

to have the will to start again
and to overcome difficulties.

Not resentment.
I never heard my father

nor my mother speak ill of Italians.
Yes, it was upsetting to have lost.

To having lost parents.
To having lost years of work.

My mom could not return to work
in Milan because there was no way

to find a home.

In 2011, Hector Finzi's
and Adelina's epistolary was donated

to the Pieve diary archives.
It's awarded the <i>Premio Pieve</i>.

First and foremost, how were you able
to find these letters again,

because they were made public
by the decision of donating them.

My father dies on June 18, 2002.

We had an apartment in Parma.
In August I was ready to let go of it.

By chance, I found a bag in his office,
a leather one that holds documents.

There were letters inside
this document holder.

And there were two notebooks,
black ones with a red border

that were used in the past,
and they were diaries.

I understood right away
because I have done historical research

for many years, so I understood
it was something interesting.

I found it strange
that my father never told me anything,

because he didn't say there are letters
and diaries.

And so I took them all to my house,
to my office and I left them there

for a year, a year and a half.
Then I slowly began to read them

with a bit of fear.

Because with letters and diaries...
- One will find...

always find something intimate.
Then I think in my family,

nothing would ever be talked about.
No one had ever commented,

made references.
Then gradually I began

to transcribe these letters.
I can't tell you how I did so,

because they were truly written...
- Strictly handwritten.

Yes, handwritten with a fountain pen,
on tissue paper, because then

it was airmail paper.
So it had... It was

a remove your eyes type job.
In any case, I did this transcription job

of the diary, of the letters, etc.
I had the idea of publishing it.

The full version of this diary,
of these letters...

Just to be certain, I collaborated
with the Diary Archives already

for some time for my research.
In any case, just to be certain,

I went to Pieve Santo Stefano
and I had this volume on hand.

It was Cristina Cangi, who you know.
She asked me:

"What is it professor?"
- "It's this work that I did."

"Why don't you submit for the award."

I say I really had not thought
about wanting to publish it.

I start reading some interesting things
and then I submit it.

...They asked me for the archive
and also for the letters,

but I wasn't going to do that.

I remember that it's naturally possible
to read this publication

that is titled "Transparent",
in which the documentation

is precisely presented.
Published by Il Mulino.

Our arrangement time has ended,
although we would like to talk for hours

about this story that is a bit,
by certain passages and elements,

similar to the story
of many other families,

also of the province of Arezzo.
Perhaps there will be a a way

to talk more about it in the future.
Thank you Daniel Finzi,

thanks to all of you
who have followed our event,

a special event
that was made possible in collaboration

with The Archives of Pieve Santo Stefano.
I naturally thank you as well.

In particular, the archives
for this episode were made available

by Nadia Frulli.
Thank you to all of you

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