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Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.07,0:00:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.02,0:00:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening everybody!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.58,0:00:21.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This hall is pretty full.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.69,0:00:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I guess this is gonna be an interesting talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.13,0:00:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are on a tight schedule. Our speaker Jake Applebaum
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.10,0:00:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is gonna be joined by Julian Assange via, by a videostream
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.42,0:00:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really hope that's gonna work.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.54,0:00:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So without further do, please welcome our speaker and have fun!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.64,0:00:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So! We have a surprise guest. Some of you might know her.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.52,0:01:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She saved Edward Snowdens life. Her name is Sarah Harrison.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.19,0:02:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank You!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.57,0:02:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening my name is Sarah Harrison, as you all appear to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.02,0:02:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a journalist working for WikiLealks.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.25,0:02:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This Year I was part, as Jacob just said, of the WikiLeaks-team that saved Snowden from a life in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.10,0:02:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This act and my job has meant that our legal advice is that I do not return to my home, the UK,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.42,0:02:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the ongoing terrorism investigation there in relation to movements of Eward Snowden documents.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.80,0:02:33.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The UK Government has chosen to define disclosing classified documents
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.65,0:02:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an intent to influence government behavior as terrorism.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.38,0:02:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m therefore currently remaining in Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.71,0:02:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it’s not just myself personally that has legal issues at WikiLeaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.25,0:02:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a fourth Christmas arrested, Julian Assange continues to be detained without charge in the UK.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.38,0:02:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He’s been granted formal political asylum by Ecuador
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.18,0:02:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the threat from the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.18,0:02:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in breach of international law,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.05,0:02:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the UK continues to refuse to allow him his legal right to take up this asylum.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.80,0:03:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In November of this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.88,0:03:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a US Government official confirmed that the enormous grand jury investigation,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.41,0:03:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which commenced in 2010, into WikiLeaks,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.88,0:03:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its staff, and specifically Julian Assange, continues.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.13,0:03:20.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was then confirmed by the spokesperson of the prosecutor’s office in Virginia.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.05,0:03:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Icelandic Parliament held an inquiry earlier this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.20,0:03:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it found that the FBI had secretly and unlawfully sent nine agents to Iceland
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.28,0:03:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to conduct an investigation into WikiLeaks there.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.13,0:03:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Further secret interrogations took place in Denmark and Washington.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.76,0:03:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The informant they were speaking with has been charged with fraud
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.61,0:03:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and convicted on other charges in Iceland.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.16,0:03:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the Icelandic Supreme Court, we won a substantial victory over the extralegal US financial blockade
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.99,0:03:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was erected against us in 2010 by VISA, MasterCard, PayPal, and other US financial giants.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.06,0:03:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subsequently, MasterCard pulled out of the blockade.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.90,0:04:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We’ve since filed a $77 million legal case against VISA for the damages.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.45,0:04:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We filed a suit against VISA in Denmark as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.37,0:04:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in response to questions about how PayPal’s owner can
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.57,0:04:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start a free press outlet whilst blocking another media organisation,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.32,0:04:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he’s announced that the PayPal blockade of WikiLeaks has ended.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.97,0:04:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry! That wasn't meant to be pause for a clap. I just needed some water, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.02,0:04:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We filed criminal cases in Sweden
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.49,0:04:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Germany in relation to the unlawful intelligence activity against us there,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.30,0:04:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including at the CCC in 2009.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.01,0:04:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Together with the Center for Constitutional Rights we filed a suit against the US military
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.74,0:04:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the unprecedented secrecy applied to Chelsea Manning’s trial.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.92,0:04:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet through these attacks we’ve continued our publishing work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.57,0:04:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In April of this year, we launched the Public Library of US Diplomacy,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.37,0:04:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the largest and most comprehensible searchable database of US diplomatic cables in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.29,0:05:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This coincided with our release of 1.7 million US cables
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.05,0:05:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Kissinger period. We launched our third Spy Files,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.94,0:05:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,239 documents from 92 global intelligence contractors
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.21,0:05:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposing their technology, methods, and contracts.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.90,0:05:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We completed releasing the Global Intelligence Files, over five million emails
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.57,0:05:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from US intelligence firm Stratfor, the revelations from which included
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.90,0:05:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documenting their spying on activists around the globe.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.53,0:05:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We published the primary negotiating positions for fourteen countries of the Trans-Pacific Partnership,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.42,0:05:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new international legal regime that would control
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.96,0:05:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,40% of the world’s GDP.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.07,0:05:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As well as getting Snowden asylum, we set up Mr Snowden’s defence fund,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.15,0:05:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of a broader endeavor, the Journalistic Source Protection Defence Fund,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.04,0:05:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which aims to protect and fund sources in trouble.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.66,0:05:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This will be an important fund for future sources, especially when we look at the US crackdown on whistleblowers
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.24,0:06:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Snowden and alleged WikiLeaks source Chelsea Manning,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.30,0:06:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was sentenced this year to 35 years in prison, and another
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.46,0:06:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alleged WikiLeaks source Jeremy Hammond, who was sentenced to ten years in prison
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.32,0:06:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this November.\NThese men, Snowden, Manning, and Hammond,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.73,0:06:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are prime examples of a politicized youth who have grown up
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.33,0:06:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a free internet and want to keep it that way. It is this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.71,0:06:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,class of people that we are here to discuss this evening, the powers they
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.22,0:06:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we all have, and can have, and the good that we can do with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.46,0:06:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am joined here tonight for this discussion by two men I admire hugely.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.17,0:06:31.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hopefully one of them will appear soon.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.45,0:06:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange and Jacob Appelbaum, both who
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.16,0:06:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have had a long history in defending our right to knowledge, despite political
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.80,0:06:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and legal pressure. There He is...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.73,0:07:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Julian, seeing as I haven’t seen you for quite awhile,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.16,0:07:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what’s been happening in this field this year, what’s
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.80,0:07:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what’s your strategic view about it, this fight for freedom of knowledge, are we winning
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.25,0:07:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or are we losing?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.13,0:07:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have an 18-page speech
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.84,0:07:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the strategic vision, but I think I’ve got about five minutes, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.49,0:07:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the most.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.57,0:07:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, less?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.26,0:07:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. Well. First off, it’s very
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.96,0:07:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting to see the CCC has grown by 30%
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.88,0:07:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.41,0:07:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can see the CCC
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.58,0:07:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a type a very important type
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.25,0:07:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of institution which does have analogues.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.66,0:07:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The CCC is a paradox in that it has the vibrancy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.25,0:07:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a young movement, but also now has been going nearly
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.33,0:08:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,30 years since its founding in 1981 by Wau Holland
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.72,0:08:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great point, great point.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.61,0:08:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Blame the NSA?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.96,0:08:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Blame the NSA?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.88,0:08:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s the new ‘blame Canada’.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.40,0:08:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it here or the embassy they’re spying on the most?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.09,0:08:36.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such a good talk, isn’t it guys?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.41,0:08:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wish Bruce Willis (Assange’s Skype name) would pick up the phone.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.63,0:08:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should we move over while we’re waiting to you, Jake.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.77,0:08:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I saying, I think it’s quite interesting, it does seem to be a trend that there are these young
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.88,0:08:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical people. We look at Manning, Snowden, Hammond…
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.08,0:09:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often sysadmins. Why are they playing such an important role
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.01,0:09:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this fight for freedom of information?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.38,0:09:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, So, I think there are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.72,0:09:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a couple important points. The first important point is to understand that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.13,0:09:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ll of us have agency, but some of us actually have literally
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.31,0:09:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have more agency than others in the sense that you have access to systems
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.81,0:09:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that give you access to information that helps to found knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.38,0:09:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have in your own head.\NSo someone like Manning
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.87,0:09:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or someone like Snowden who has access to these documents in the course of their work,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.72,0:09:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will simply have a better understanding of what is actually happening. They have access
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.80,0:09:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the primary source documents as part of their job.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.77,0:09:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This, I think, fundamentally is a really critical,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.88,0:09:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say a formative thing.\NWhen you start to read these
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.33,0:09:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,original source documents you start to understand the way that organisations
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.55,0:09:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually think internally. And, this is one of the things that Julian Assange has said quite
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.88,0:09:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite a lot, it’s that when you read the internal documents of an organisation,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.26,0:10:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s how they really think about a thing. This is different than a press release.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.38,0:10:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people who have grown up on the internet, and they’re essentially natives on the internet, and that’s all of us,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.88,0:10:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, for the most part. It’s definitely me. That
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.88,0:10:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially forms a way of thinking about organisations where the official
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.64,0:10:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing that they say is not interesting. You know that there’s an agenda behind that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.18,0:10:18.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don’t necessarily know what that true agenda is.\NAnd so people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.05,0:10:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who grow up in this and see these documents, they realise the agency
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.80,0:10:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have. They understand it, they see that power, and they want to do something about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.25,0:10:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some cases, some people do it in small starts and fits.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.97,0:10:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,o there are lots of sources for lots of newspapers that are inside
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.33,0:10:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of defense organisations or really, really large companies, and they share
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.61,0:10:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this information. But in the case of Chelsea Manning,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.30,0:10:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the case of Snowden, they went big.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.85,0:10:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I presume that this is because of the scale of the wrongdoing that they saw,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.70,0:10:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in addition to the amount of agency that was provided by their access
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.48,0:10:59.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by their understanding of the actual information that they were able to have in their possession.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.55,0:11:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And do you think that it’s something to do
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.00,0:11:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with being technical; they have a potential ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.41,0:11:09.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find a way to do this safer than other people, perhaps? Or?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.65,0:11:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it’s clearly the case that this helps.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.05,0:11:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s no question that understanding how to use those computer systems and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.46,0:11:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being able to navigate them, that that is going to be a helpful skill.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.17,0:11:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ut I think what it really is is that these are people who grew up in an era,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.38,0:11:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I myself am one of these people, where we grew up in an era where
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.16,0:11:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are overloaded by information but we still are able to absorb a great deal of it
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.40,0:11:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we really are constantly going through this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.93,0:11:42.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we look to the past, we see that it’s not just technical people, it’s actually people who have an analytical mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.26,0:11:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for example, Daniel Ellsberg, who’s famous for the ‘Ellsberg Paradox’.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.85,0:11:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for example, Daniel Ellsberg, who’s famous for the ‘Ellsberg Paradox’.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.21,0:11:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was of course a very seriously embedded person in the US military,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.34,0:11:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was in the RAND corporation, he worked with McNamara,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.93,0:11:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and during the Vietnam War he had access to huge amounts of information.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.04,0:12:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was the ability to analyse this information and to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.54,0:12:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this case how the US Government during the Vietnam War was lying to the entire world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.01,0:12:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was the magnitude of those lies combined
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.71,0:12:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the ability to prove that they were lies that I believe,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.69,0:12:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ombined with his analytical skill… It was clear what the action might be,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.88,0:12:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it wasn’t clear what the outcome would be.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.02,0:12:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with Ellsberg, the outcome was a very positive one. In fact it’s the most positive
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.21,0:12:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outcome for any whistleblower so far that I know of in the history of the United States
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.45,0:12:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe even in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.65,0:12:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we see right now with Snowden
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.30,0:12:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we’ve now seen with Chelsea Manning is unfortunately a very different outcome,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.71,0:12:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least for Manning.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.42,0:12:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is also a hugely important point
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.01,0:12:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is that Ellsberg did this in the context of resistance against the Vietnam War.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.90,0:12:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when Ellsberg did this, there were huge support networks,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.01,0:12:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were gigantic things that split across all political spectrums of society.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.45,0:12:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it is the analytical framework
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.41,0:13:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we find ourselves with still, but additionally with the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.17,0:13:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so every single person here that works as a sysadmin,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.56,0:13:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could you raise your hand?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.41,0:13:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.50,0:13:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You represent, and I’m sorry to steal Julian’s thunder, but he was using Skype and well…
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.37,0:13:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all know Skype has interception and man-in-the-middle problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.32,0:13:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I’m going to take advantage of that fact. You see, it’s not just the NSA.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.38,0:13:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone that raised their hand, you should raise your hand again.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.40,0:13:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you work at a company
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.72,0:13:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you think that they might be involved in something that is a little bit scary,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.10,0:13:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep your hand up.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.26,0:13:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.46,0:13:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here’s the deal:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.53,0:13:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody else in the room lacks the information that you probably have access to.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.29,0:13:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you were to make a moral judgment,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.54,0:14:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you were to make an ethical consideration about these things,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.34,0:14:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,t would be the case that as a political class you would be able to inform all of the political classes in this room,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.32,0:14:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of the other people in this room, in a way that only you have the agency to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.90,0:14:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those that benefit from you never doing that are the other people that have that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.54,0:14:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those people are also members of other classes as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.79,0:14:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the question is, if you were to unite as a political class,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.34,0:14:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are to unite with you in that political class, we can see that there’s a contextual way
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.16,0:14:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to view this through a historical lens, essentially.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.50,0:14:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is to say when the industrialized workers of the world decided
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.12,0:14:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that race and gender were not lines that we should split on,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.72,0:14:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but instead we should look at workers and owners,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.72,0:14:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we started to see real change in the way that workers were treated and in the way the world itself was organizing labor.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.08,0:14:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this was a hugely important change
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.49,0:14:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the industrial revolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.12,0:14:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are going through a very similar time now
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.20,0:14:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with regard to information politics and with regard to the value of information in the information age.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.09,0:15:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fantastic, Bruce Willis.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.88,0:15:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus Christ, Julian, use Jitsi already.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.69,0:15:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, we’ve identified the potential
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.97,0:15:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that you’re talking about and you’ve spoken about how it’s good
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.46,0:15:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for them to unite.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.04,0:15:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the next steps?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.54,0:15:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do they come forth? How do they share this information?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.54,0:15:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, let’s consider a couple of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.17,0:15:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First is that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.70,0:15:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bradley Manning, now Chelsea Manning; Daniel Ellsberg, still Daniel Ellsberg;
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.16,0:16:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Edward Snowden, living in exile in Russia unfortunately.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.04,0:16:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Still Edward Snowden.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.29,0:16:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Still Edward Snowden, hopefully.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.12,0:16:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are people who have taken great actions where they did not even set out to sacrifice themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.88,0:16:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But once when I met Daniel Ellsberg he said,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.89,0:16:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘Wouldn’t you go to prison for the rest of your life to end this war?’
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.29,0:16:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is something he asked to me, and he asked it quite seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.37,0:16:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it’s very incredible to be able to ask a hypothetical question
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.62,0:16:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of someone that wasn’t a hypothetical question.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.21,0:16:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What he was trying to say is that right now you can make a choice
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.29,0:16:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which you actually have a huge impact,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.69,0:16:38.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should you choose to take on that risk.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.37,0:16:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the point is not to set out to martyr yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.76,0:16:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The point is to set out...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.25,0:16:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you going to stick around this time, Julian?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.19,0:16:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know, I’m waiting for the quantum hand of fate.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.21,0:16:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The quantum hand that wants to strangle you?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.79,0:16:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.34,0:16:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. So we were just discussing right now the previous context,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.12,0:17:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hat is Daniel Ellsberg, the Edward Snowdens, the Chelsea Mannings,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.93,0:17:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how they have done an honorable, a good thing
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.62,0:17:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they’ve shown a duty to a greater humanity,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.96,0:17:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a thing that is more important than loyalty,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.80,0:17:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, to a bureaucratic oath, but rather loyalty to universal principles.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.97,0:17:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the next question is, how does that relate to the people that are here in the audience?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.22,0:17:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How is it the case that people who have access to systems
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.88,0:17:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they have said themselves they think the companies they work for are sort of questionable
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.88,0:17:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or doing dangerous things in the world?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.40,0:17:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where do we go from people who have done these things previously to these people in the audience?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.94,0:17:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I don’t know how much ground you’ve covered,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.21,0:17:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it’s important that we recognize what we are
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.80,0:17:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we have become.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.61,0:17:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that high tech workers are... ...a class.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.13,0:17:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, very often... ... a position
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.13,0:17:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to in fact prompt the leaders of society...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.11,0:18:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...cease operating...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.93,0:18:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should we just leave him like that and continue?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.63,0:18:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I back?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.30,0:18:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. You’ve got three minutes to say something.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.13,0:18:38.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Make it good.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.49,0:18:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those high tech workers, we are a particular class
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.93,0:18:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it’s time that we recognized that we are a class
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.71,0:18:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and look back in history and understood
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.65,0:18:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the great gains in human rights and education
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.21,0:18:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on that were gained through powerful industrial workers
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.16,0:18:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which formed the backbone of the economy of the 20th century,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.32,0:18:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we have that same ability
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.85,0:19:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but even more so because of the greater interconnection
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.38,0:19:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exists now economically and politically.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.49,0:19:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is all underpinned by system administrators.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.32,0:19:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we should understand that system administrators are not just those people who administer one UNIX system or another.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.22,0:19:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are the people who administer systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.38,0:19:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the system that exists globally now
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.77,0:19:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is created by the interconnection of many individual systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.69,0:19:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are all, or many of us, are part of administering that system
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.79,0:19:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have extraordinary power
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.70,0:19:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that is really an order of magnitude
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.81,0:19:48.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different to the power industrial workers had in the 20th century.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.81,0:19:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can see that in the cases of the famous leaks
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.17,0:19:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that WikiLeaks has done or the recent Edward Snowden revelations,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.28,0:20:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is possible now for even single systems administrators to have a very significant change,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.03,0:20:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or rather apply very significant constructive constraint
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.37,0:20:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the behavior of these organizations.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.53,0:20:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not merely wrecking or disabling them,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.62,0:20:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not merely going out on strikes to change policy,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.87,0:20:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather shifting information from an information apartheid system
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.79,0:20:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we’re developing from those with extraordinary power and extraordinary information
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.33,0:20:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the knowledge commons, where it can be used not only as a disciplining force,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.95,0:20:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it can be used to construct and understand the new world that we’re entering into.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.10,0:20:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, Hayden, the former director of the CIA and NSA,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.49,0:20:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is terrified of this. In “Cypherpunks” we called for this directly last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.29,0:20:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But to give you an interesting quote from Hayden,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.62,0:21:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possibly following up on those words of mine and others,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.41,0:21:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“We need to recruit from Snowden’s generation”
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.12,0:21:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says Hayden.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.29,0:21:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“We need to recruit from this group because they have the skills that we require.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.12,0:21:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the challenge is how to recruit this talent while also protecting ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.62,0:21:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.49,0:21:24.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to absolute transparency at all costs.”
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.21,0:21:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that’s us, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.82,0:21:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what we need to do is spread that message and go into all those organisations.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.52,0:21:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, deal with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.20,0:21:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m not saying, ‘Don’t join the CIA’.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.50,0:21:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, go and join the CIA. Go in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.72,0:21:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go into the ballpark and get the ball and bring it out,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.87,0:21:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the understanding, with the paranoia,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.85,0:21:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all those organizations will be infiltrated by this generation,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.28,0:21:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by an ideology that is spread across the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.54,0:21:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And every young person is educated on the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.62,0:22:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will be no person that has not been exposed to this ideology
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.09,0:22:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of transparency and understanding and wanting to keep the internet which we were born into free.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.46,0:22:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the last free generation.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.53,0:22:16.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The coming together of the systems of governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.01,0:22:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the new information apartheid, across the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.65,0:22:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,linking together in such that none of us will be able to escape it in just a decade.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.69,0:22:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our identities will be coupled to the information sharing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.93,0:22:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such that none of us will be able to escape it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.20,0:22:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are all becoming part of the state,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.49,0:22:38.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we like it or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.21,0:22:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our only hope is to determine what sort of state it is that we are going to become part of.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.65,0:22:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nd we can do that by looking and being inspired
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.70,0:22:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by some of the actions that produced human rights and free education and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.48,0:22:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by people recognizing that they were part of the state, recognizing their own power
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.58,0:23:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and taking concrete and robust action to make sure
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.69,0:23:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they lived in the sort of society they wanted to and not in a hell-hole dystopia.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.97,0:23:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.37,0:23:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically all those poor people Jake just made identify themselves,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.09,0:23:29.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have the power to change more systems than the one you’re working on right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.60,0:23:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it’s time to take some questions because we don’t have long left.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.85,0:23:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there are any? What's the...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.37,0:23:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you do have Questions, please line up in the middle of the room. we have microphones there.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.28,0:23:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you cannot reach one please put your hand up, we try to get one to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.54,0:23:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While we wait for the first question.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.65,0:23:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’d like to say, it looks like there’s quite a lot of people there..
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.82,0:23:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Start going to the mic even while he's talking if you do have a question.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.81,0:24:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cause otherwise we won't know that you have one and we just keep on going.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.79,0:24:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alternatively just raise your hand... ...quite a lot of people there.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.50,0:24:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you should all know that due to the various sorts of proximity measures
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.12,0:24:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are now employed by NSA, GCHQ, and Five Eyes Alliance,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.80,0:24:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you’ve come there with a telephone,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.62,0:24:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if you’ve been even in Hamburg with a telephone,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.79,0:24:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are all now coupled to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.89,0:24:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are coupled to this event.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.34,0:24:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are coupled to this speech in an irrevocable way.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.58,0:24:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is now true for many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.89,0:24:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So either we have to take command of the position that we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.09,0:24:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,, understand the position we have, understand that we are the last free people,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.54,0:24:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the last people essentially with an ability to act in this situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.25,0:24:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or we are the group that will be crushed
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.20,0:25:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of this association.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.17,0:25:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you were talking about the sysadmins here.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.58,0:25:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about those people who are not sysadmins?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.40,0:25:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only joining CIA and those companies, what else can we do?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.56,0:25:25.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jake, do you want to have a go at that one?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.03,0:25:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure. This is a question of agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.12,0:25:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good timing.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.96,0:25:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a question in which one has to ask very simply,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.89,0:25:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is it that you feel like you can do?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.93,0:25:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many of the people in this audience I’ve had this discussion with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.01,0:25:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, Edward Snowden did not save himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.50,0:25:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, he obviously had some ideas, but Sarah, for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.53,0:25:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as a system administrator, but as someone who was willing to risk her person.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.62,0:25:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She helped, specifically for source protection, she took actions to protect him.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.25,0:25:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are plenty of things that can be done.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.12,0:25:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To give you some ideas, Edward Snowden, still sitting in Russia now,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.41,0:25:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are things that can be done to help him even now.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.92,0:26:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are things to show, that if we can succeed
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.12,0:26:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in saving Edward Snowden’s life and to keep him free,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.65,0:26:09.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the next Edward Snowden will have that to look forward to.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.54,0:26:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we look also to what has happened to Chelsea Manning,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.25,0:26:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see additionally that Snowden has clearly learned,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.69,0:26:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as Thomas Drake and Bill Binney set an example
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.49,0:26:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for every single person about what to do and what not to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.56,0:26:26.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not just about systems administrators,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.49,0:26:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s about all of us actually recognizing that positive contribution that each of us can make.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.77,0:26:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK our next question will be microphone 4 ..2 please
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.40,0:26:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi Julian, I’m wondering,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.60,0:26:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you believe that transparency alone is enough to inject some form of conscience into evil organizations,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.09,0:26:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quote and quote “evil” organizations?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.34,0:26:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if not, what do you believe the next step after transparency is?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.28,0:27:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not about injecting conscience,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.04,0:27:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s about providing two things:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.66,0:27:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one, an effective deterrent to particular forms of behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.45,0:27:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and two, finding that information which allows us to construct an order in the world around us,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.17,0:27:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to educate ourselves in how the world works
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.68,0:27:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore be able to manage the world that we are a part of.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.76,0:27:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The restriction of information,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.70,0:27:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the restriction of those bits of information, colors it.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.41,0:27:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It gives off an economic signal that information is important when it’s released,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.56,0:27:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because otherwise why would you spend so much work in restricting it?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.40,0:27:44.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the people that know it best restrict it.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.09,0:27:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should take their measurements of that information
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.80,0:27:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a guide and use that to pull it out where it can achieve some kind of reform.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.28,0:27:55.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That, in itself, is not enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.03,0:27:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It creates an intellectual commons which is part of our mutual education.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.48,0:28:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we need to understand, say, if we look at the Occupy event,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.46,0:28:08.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very interesting political event,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.49,0:28:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where revelations and perhaps destabilization led to a very large group wanting to do something
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.25,0:28:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there was no organizational scaffold for these people to attach themselves to,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.89,0:28:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no nucleus for these people to crystallize onto.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.62,0:28:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it is that problem,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.98,0:28:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is an endemic problem of the anarchist left, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.29,0:28:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The CCC. Why are we having this right now?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.57,0:28:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the CCC is an organized structure.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.04,0:28:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a structure which has been able to grow to accommodate the 30% of extra people that have occurred this year.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.96,0:28:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To shift and change and act like one of the better workers’ universities that are around.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.24,0:29:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have to form unions and networks
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.56,0:29:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and create programs and organizational structures.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.74,0:29:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those organizational structures can also be written in code.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.04,0:29:13.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bitcoin, for example, is an organizational structure
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.49,0:29:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that creates an intermediary between people, it sets up rules between people.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.29,0:29:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may end up as a quite totalitarian system one day,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.70,0:29:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who knows, but at the moment it provides some kind of balancing.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.94,0:29:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So code and human structures do things.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.81,0:29:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks was able to rescue Edward Snowden because we are an organized institution with collective experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.56,0:29:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, I think there’s one question left that’s coming from the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.70,0:29:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On IRC there was the question, what was the most difficult part on getting Snowden out of the US?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.78,0:29:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s quite a loaded question.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.65,0:30:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that’s interesting to think whether we can actually answer that question at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.04,0:30:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’ll give a variant of the answer because of the legal situation it is a little bit difficult.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.79,0:30:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As some of you may know, the UK Government has admitted to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.96,0:30:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spending £6 million a year approximately surveilling this embassy in the police forces alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.85,0:30:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can imagine the difficulty in communicating with various people in different countries
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.87,0:30:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to his diplomatic asylum and into logistics in Hong Kong in a situation like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.88,0:30:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only reason we were able to succeed is because of extemely dilligent…
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.18,0:30:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perfectly timed.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.54,0:30:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we didn’t use Skype.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.80,0:30:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we have time for one more question?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.49,0:30:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we run out of the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.88,0:30:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was such a fantastic, perfect way to make sure that you didn’t learn the answer to that question.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.33,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately that is all the time we have for this talk