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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.35,0:00:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: Our speaker today is Evan Roth.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.41,0:00:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a multi-disciplinary American artist\Nbased in Paris.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.04,0:00:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's working with sculptures, prints,\Nvideos and websites
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.11,0:00:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the upcoming hour during his talk\Nhe'll take you on a journey about art,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.41,0:00:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,politics, culture,\Nthe misuse of communication technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.91,0:00:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how all of these are connected\Nto each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.34,0:00:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please give a warm round of applause\Nfor Evan Roth, our speaker today!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.67,0:00:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.67,0:00:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.16,0:00:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Hi everybody, thanks so much for coming,\NI'm really humbled and honoured to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.96,0:00:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my first time on this side of the internet\Nwith you all, so thanks so much for joining.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.95,0:00:59.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ya, my name is Evan. I'm an American,\NI'm living in Paris at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.03,0:01:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm an artist, and so I'm gonna talk a bit\Nabout the art I've been making the last few
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.67,0:01:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.80,0:01:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how it's changed as the internet's changed,\Nand hopefully weave some threads through here.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.24,0:01:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The work I'm making primarily shows up\Nin these three areas of the gallery,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.49,0:01:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public space and the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.86,0:01:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The mediums I'm using are often quite different,\Nbut historically the work I've been making
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.89,0:01:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been connected by this relationship\Nbetween misuse and empowerment,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.72,0:01:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how misuse can kind of be this lens\Nthat we, as we all know, look at technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.43,0:01:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but lots of things in life around us\Nis sort of see things that have other
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.96,0:01:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of unintended uses, right.\NFemale voice in bg: Introducing the iRobot
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.27,0:01:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,robot..
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.43,0:01:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: To make things, like consumer domestic\Nproducts much more interesting, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.33,0:01:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is the doomba,\Nthis old old internet meme, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.82,0:01:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}\Nbut, so good, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.49,0:01:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a wonderful gift that the internet gave\Nus
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.73,0:01:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the doomba,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.49,0:01:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I can't wait until.. I really feel like\Nthis
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.70,0:01:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be in the permanent collection
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.98,0:01:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Museum of Modern Arts,\Nthis is one of my favourite sculptures
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.60,0:01:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've seen in the last few years.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.34,0:02:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for me, I tried to have like doomba vision\Nwhen I'm doing activism
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.70,0:02:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or when I'm doing art\Nand thinking about like
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.01,0:02:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what else can I ducttape knifes onto\Nto make it more interesting than it was
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.36,0:02:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way the manufacturer sort of\Ner, advertised it to me, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.13,0:02:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ahm, and so that's kind of a main inspiration\Nfor a lot of the art work that I look at,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.16,0:02:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm a fan of\Nand that I'm trying to make in my own practice.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.52,0:02:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so two maybe more specific themes\NI'm gonna try to show through different projects
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.00,0:02:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are 1) this idea of technological empowerment,\Nwhich is part of the reason I became an artist,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.42,0:02:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other this idea of visualisation\Nthrough misuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.52,0:02:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my kind of .. my history with technological\Nempowerment went back to the ..
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.76,0:02:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was an architect.\NI was at university and I was..
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.08,0:02:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had one class about computers,\Nthat my dad sort of forced me to take,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.60,0:02:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I didn't think\Nit was that interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.13,0:02:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was back when I was literally still doing,\Nlike, graphite with a straight edge on vellum,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.37,0:02:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.59,0:02:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was like the first class where they're\Ngonna
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.70,0:03:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do things like 3D modelling on Autocad,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.01,0:03:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was one week about the internet.\NAnd I had like this really vivid memory
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.41,0:03:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the professor brought up\Nthis fetch window on an old Mac,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.54,0:03:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and like edited it in a little text document\Nand dragged it in and the dog
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.75,0:03:14.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ran it up to the internet and then\Nhe'd refresh on the browser
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.29,0:03:18.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it updated.\NAnd of course this is like small news now,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.11,0:03:20.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for me this was huge.\NI couldn't believe it,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.53,0:03:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I really just couldn't believe\Nthat for free I could say anything to anybody
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.66,0:03:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nobody could really censor it.\NIt just seemed like it was too good to be
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.36,0:03:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.07,0:03:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was kind of the death\Nknell on my architectural career.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.76,0:03:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I would go on to graduate\Nand work for a couple of years,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.03,0:03:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but very quickly I was falling in love\Nwith the internet in the early kind-of-like
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.57,0:03:39.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flash days,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.41,0:03:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember, that time was really fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.06,0:03:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I was coming home from\Nmy architecture job and sort of trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.67,0:03:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learn code
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.63,0:03:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trying .. kind of had my first introduction\Nto open source,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.41,0:03:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like reading Joshua Davis' praystation FLA\Nfiles,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.91,0:03:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if anybody remembers that day.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.25,0:03:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that was kind of my introduction to technology,\Nand it was really empowering,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.76,0:04:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, it was a feeling, that I still remember\Nand try to, like, hone in on
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.68,0:04:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm getting more depressed these days.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.81,0:04:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, how this shows up in some of my work,\NI'm gonna start around, like, 2005
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.58,0:04:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some projects that I've been doing\Nup to projects that I've been doing right
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.18,0:04:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.73,0:04:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back in 2005/2006 I co-founded an organisation\Ncalled Graffiti Reseach Lab
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.84,0:04:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a friend named James Powderly,\Nwhile we were in residency at IBM in New York.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.18,0:04:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the basic idea we had with\NGraffiti Research Lab was that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.05,0:04:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologies were getting a lot cheaper\Nto the point where they're almost getting
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.17,0:04:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disposable,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.73,0:04:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like LEDs, digital projectors were getting\Nreally cheap, lasers were getting really cheap,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.16,0:04:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were interested in trying to make projects\Nthat would start to get graffiti writers and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.38,0:04:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activists
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.89,0:04:44.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking to the\Nfree software movement more.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.29,0:04:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like have a common dialogue for\Nthese two very different groups of toolbuilders.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.45,0:04:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, with that as, like, a premise,\Nwe sort of thought of ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.56,0:04:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the Q branch for graffiti writers, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.47,0:04:57.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just show one quick project.\NThis was called 'Laser Tag'.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.19,0:05:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was a in retrospect very simple\Ncomputer vision project,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.76,0:05:05.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we would basically go out with\Na digital projector
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.39,0:05:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'd invite activists and\Nwe'd invite graffiti writers,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.04,0:05:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'd set up on this sort of\Nbiggest buildings that we could find in town.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.30,0:05:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we would just have this kind of open system,\Nlike, the only rules that we had with the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.39,0:05:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.65,0:05:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that there couldn't be a censor button.\NPeople had to be allowed to say
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.32,0:05:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever they wanted.\NMost of the times we did it without permission,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.42,0:05:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which isn't saying much because\Nat the time there wasn't a lot of people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.59,0:05:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,projecting in public so there weren't a lot\Nof
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.32,0:05:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of laws in this sort of grey area.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.92,0:05:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So even when the police usually came\Nit was more of a conversation than a ticket.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.35,0:05:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we were making,\Nthis is one example of lots of projects
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.24,0:05:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were making where it was kind of about\Namplifying free speech,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.09,0:05:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like trying to use technologies\Nthat were getting cheaper and cheaper and
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.46,0:05:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cheaper
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.74,0:05:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to level that playing field between people\Nwho live in cities and people who advertise
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.68,0:05:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.08,0:05:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what kind of visual language\Nand visual communication we have in both those
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.43,0:05:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.56,0:06:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was the work Graffiti Research Lab\Nwas doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.93,0:06:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At some point we realized with Graffiti Research\NLab
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.11,0:06:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the sort of technical hacking we were\Ndoing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.94,0:06:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was much less interesting than the\Nmore social hacking we were doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.95,0:06:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we also, we were getting much more\Npress than we deserved,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.12,0:06:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were trying to figure out\Nwhy that was happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.71,0:06:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one thing we sorta came to was\Nwe were sorta fulfilling this narrative
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.43,0:06:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the media wants, which is\Nthat we are living in the future now, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.72,0:06:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is why everyone is reporting on\Nhoverboards now, like, ???
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.79,0:06:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're here, you know?\NAnd graffiti writers with lasers
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.76,0:06:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was one of those apparently, like,\Nmonumental future points that we'd hit,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.90,0:06:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so the media was trying to write\Nabout our projects,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.81,0:06:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we realized that this was sort of\Na social hack where we could start to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.27,0:06:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,empower other people with maybe\Nmore marginalized voices
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.68,0:06:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get in the newspapers more often.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.06,0:06:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, our mission changed slightly,\Nand so we kind of morphed the energy that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.30,0:06:49.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.49,0:06:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Graffiti Research Lab into this group\Ncalled the Free Art and Technology Lab,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.77,0:06:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which didn't really have a sort of\Nset code or manifesto,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.54,0:07:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the basic idea was that we were gonna\Nuse what even Franco called radical entertainment,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.21,0:07:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This idea that you could make sort of engaging\Nmedia on the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.27,0:07:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people are gonna want to click on,\Nnot because they agree with the politics,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.24,0:07:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they wanna see people\Nacting a fool in the streets, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.52,0:07:14.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll show, I'll show one project here.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.99,0:07:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was from a suite of projects\Nwe did in Berlin, gosh, a few years ago now,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.40,0:07:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called 'Fuck Google', where we came together\Nto make Fuck Google projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.24,0:07:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this was one where we rented a..\Nactually, Aram Bartholl was over here,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.30,0:07:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see him seated there in the driver's\Nseat,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.18,0:07:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rented this car for very cheap,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.08,0:07:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bought a roof rack off of ebay i think,\Nfor, like, 15 Euros,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.14,0:07:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then everything above the roof\Nwas just cardboard, ducttape and wires.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.33,0:07:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was nothing technical in this project,\Nit was purely a social hack.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.86,0:07:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this was probably my second greatest\Ntechnological empowering moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.95,0:07:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Driving the google car is fucking amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.77,0:07:50.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here is what that looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.19,0:07:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.55,0:07:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.92,0:08:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So once we had the car,\Nwe were just brainstorming,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.53,0:08:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, what are the little skits we could\Nplay out, that would kind of put google
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.50,0:08:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a compromised position.\NAnd so, yeah, it was breaking down.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.72,0:08:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the drinking and driving.\N{\i1}Laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.08,0:08:22.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.61,0:08:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you wanna know how strong google's\Nbrand is, this is a staged carjacking,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.05,0:08:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where someone off the street\Nrisks their life to save a corporate automobile
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.83,0:08:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engaged in spying practices.\N{\i1}Laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.60,0:09:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the idea is that we were then leaking\Nthese on the internet and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.06,0:09:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was a long time ago back when\Nwe were not sure if google was evil or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.84,0:09:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.10,0:09:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this discussion was happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.40,0:09:12.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's happening more in Germany than in\Nother places, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.77,0:09:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the idea was to get those conversations\Nhappening outside of places like this,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.86,0:09:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and outside of places like our gallery\Nand art institutions and more in, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.04,0:09:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mainstream press,\Nand, like, people over coffee
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.45,0:09:23.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,picking up this story
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.100,0:09:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and starting to talk about these issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.76,0:09:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was kind of the idea behind\NF.A.T. Lab function.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.85,0:09:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was also maintaining a solo practice\Nat the same time as I was doing these
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.12,0:09:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more collaborative projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.98,0:09:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one called 'Free Speech' I did\Nin Vienna in 2000.. I don't know, like 3 or
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.09,0:09:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,4 years ago now?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.47,0:09:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is again, like, a very simple technology,\Nthis is another rented car with vinyl letters
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.16,0:09:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a mobile phone number, mobile Viennese\Nphone number,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.72,0:09:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an arrow pointing to a loudspeaker\Non the roof.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.42,0:09:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's the only input you get\Nas the viewer.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.45,0:09:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we just drove this around Vienna\Nfor three days,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.07,0:10:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people that were sort of curious\Nenough to call that would have their phone
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.81,0:10:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,routed directly to the speaker,\Nand there was noone on the other line,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.54,0:10:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so their first realisation that they were\Nsort of in the system when they would just
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.68,0:10:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hear themselves, like,\N'Hello?' echoing throughout the streets.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.44,0:10:19.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll show a bit of that that looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.03,0:10:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}noise{\i0}\NFemale voice: Hallo? Hallo!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.76,0:10:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ich bin der Champion!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.74,0:10:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Male voice: {\i1}Laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.97,0:10:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}noise{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.71,0:10:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children: Hallo! Fick dich!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.69,0:10:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Male voice: Laura! Ich liebe dich!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.16,0:11:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.91,0:11:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Group voices: Hallo? Niiiiice!
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.89,0:11:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So fresh, man. TschĂś.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.15,0:11:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: And so, like, that guy was maybe my\Nfavourite,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.57,0:11:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or maybe that guy who picked up
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.75,0:11:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just started laughing,\Neven though when confronted
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.86,0:11:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.93,0:11:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,louder voice in public, and they were..\Nmaybe thought that were gonna have,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.69,0:11:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they set out, commute to work or\Ngo to coffee,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.35,0:11:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though maybe they didn't choose\Nto say these more poignant points, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.34,0:11:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe just the laughter to me was this\Nmore pure feeling of what technological
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.98,0:11:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,empowerment feels like, right, like\Njust laughing on the streets
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.52,0:11:35.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you kind of have\Nthis empowered voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.45,0:11:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, that, that's the feeling I wanna\Nget as an artist and so,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.69,0:11:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the work I was doing was trying\Nto sort of set up, set up these systems
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.37,0:11:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would allow other people\Nto have these sort of experiences.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.71,0:11:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, like very simple tools for\Nempowerment,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.27,0:11:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very low-tech tools for empowerment.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.69,0:11:54.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thread that I was doing throughout\Nthat period and maybe more so
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.77,0:11:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last 3 years
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.41,0:11:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to do with sort of this idea of visualizing\Nthe invisible
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.47,0:12:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I think is something that artists wrestle\Nwith quite a bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.99,0:12:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And specifically thinking about visualizing\Nthe network,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.22,0:12:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking about visualizing the internet\Nand how the internet is sort of touching us
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.01,0:12:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have this new connection culturally\Nto each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.94,0:12:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I did.. this was maybe 3 or 4 years\Nago,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.22,0:12:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did this sort of homage to wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.44,0:12:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still love surfing wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.75,0:12:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me as someone who sort of maybe has\Na bit of nostalgia for the old days of the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.68,0:12:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.93,0:12:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like wikipedia is one of these\Nfew holdouts on the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.10,0:12:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is semi-egoless uploads\Nstill happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.47,0:12:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.71,0:12:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not necessarily...\Npeople are making uploads not because
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.49,0:12:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're trying to craft their own avatar online,\Nbut they.. because they really want to explain
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.39,0:12:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how a doroknot (?) functions,\Nor they really want to explain
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.71,0:12:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how a boxer engine works, right,\Nit's content that if Konstant were here
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.61,0:12:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would call media with an alibi, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.66,0:12:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's media that has reason for existing\Nbeyond just sort of supporting our own
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.56,0:13:00.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,online visions of who we are\Nand who we aren't.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.11,0:13:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so for this reason I really\Nlove wikipedia.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.70,0:13:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feels like this really sort of\Nfree and honest place to surf sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.33,0:13:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I made this series of eleven websites,\Nkind of as a monument to wikipedia,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.14,0:13:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I spent a summer just surfing\Nfor animated GIFs on wikipedia
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.21,0:13:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was a really awesome way\Nto spend the summer.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.88,0:13:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, when I found ones that\NI would wanna kind of use as raw materials
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.42,0:13:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would just copy and paste it\Na couple of hundred times
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.50,0:13:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and rename the files so\Nthat when the browser tries to load it in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.30,0:13:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't cache them all immediately.\NIt thinks they're all separate files.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.68,0:13:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what ends up happening\Nis..
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.30,0:13:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, it can't load them\Nall at once, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.47,0:13:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it just starts loading them in\Nas the packets are sort of delivered
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.74,0:13:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this linear fashion, and..\Nso the pieces never quite look the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.87,0:13:47.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're all...\Nin a sense these kind of unique views
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.13,0:13:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were depending on your process,\Nyour speed and what browser you're using
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.40,0:13:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how fast your internet connection is.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.97,0:13:55.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're always gonna load in slightly different\Nas the packets sort of traverse the network
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.69,0:13:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this linear fashion.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.71,0:14:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what you get is.. are these compositions\Nthat are very simple
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.83,0:14:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they're not, in this case,\Nlike a perfect circle, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.75,0:14:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You kind of see this visualization\Nof the data kind of as it's going
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.56,0:14:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the network.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.40,0:14:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you view these same pieces\Nin the TOR browser,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.98,0:14:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I don't have to explain\Nwhat it is in this audience,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.06,0:14:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is really fun for the first time,\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.61,0:14:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get get a sense of how...\Nso this is the exact same website
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.32,0:14:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just viewed through TOR.\NAnd you can see in the piece
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.14,0:14:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the composition is altered, right,\Nbecause, as the pieces are moving around
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.60,0:14:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's being rerouted to different nodes,\Nthey kind of come back together
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.17,0:14:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that's very different\Nthan the way it's happening
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.10,0:14:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a straight connection\Nthrough Firefox, and so
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.12,0:14:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the resulting composition is less fluid,\Nit's more staggered and you can kind of..
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.77,0:14:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is some kind of visual clue\Nof how that piece went through the network.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.43,0:14:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another series I've been doing\Nfor several years now is..
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.02,0:14:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been archiving my own browsing folder,\Nmy cache directory,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.55,0:14:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been basically archiving that\Nevery couple of weeks.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.95,0:15:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then when I get invited to show a piece\Nfrom that series I just basically..
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.57,0:15:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I use a image packing algorithm,\Nso just pack all these images
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.21,0:15:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the smallest amount of room possible,\Nand I'll make these prints
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.57,0:15:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are just straight print-outs of\Nmy internet cache.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.46,0:15:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is what one month\Nof my internet cache looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.88,0:15:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is what 3 months looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.37,0:15:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're relatively uncensored.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.06,0:15:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go through it to look and make sure,\N'cause sometimes my wife will use the computer,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.48,0:15:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll make sure there is nothing of hers\Nshe doesn't want on there,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.44,0:15:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I check it for banking details,\Nbut besides that it's pretty..
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.38,0:15:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty much uncensored.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.76,0:15:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, it's meant to be..\NI kind of think of them as self portraits.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.91,0:15:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're.. I think of them actually more\Nlike false self portraits,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.45,0:15:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause it's.. unless you truly think\Nthat you are your browsing data,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.58,0:15:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not.. it does.. it's..\Nthese prints aren't who I feel like I am.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.53,0:15:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in.. I think over the long term\Nthe idea is more they are meant
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.31,0:15:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be this sort of portrait of the internet\Nat this one moment in time, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.47,0:15:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as sort of screen size has changed\Nand screens shift from our laps to our pockets,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.46,0:16:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as browser resolutions\Nand all these standards change,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.93,0:16:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the kind of fabric\Nof the web changes,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.84,0:16:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these prints hopefully,\Nwhen someone digs out of my basement,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.18,0:16:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, 20 years from now,\Nthey'll have these sort of prints
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.57,0:16:13.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the internet felt like\Nin this one moment in time.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.03,0:16:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the idea anyway.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.09,0:16:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another related series has to do\Nagain with this kind of shift from
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.96,0:16:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the screen to the pocket.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.93,0:16:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I'm really sort of fascinated\Nwith this idea of casual computing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.68,0:16:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I feel..\NI feel like that move when we started
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.88,0:16:30.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having computers in our pockets\Nevery day was a really fundamental shift.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.74,0:16:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I had this series called\N'Multi-touch Paintings',
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.51,0:16:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are created just from,\Nbasically just take a piece of tracing paper
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.75,0:16:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put it over my phone and then\Nperform the sort of interface tasks
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.78,0:16:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it asked me to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.73,0:16:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this one's called\N'Slide to unlock'.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.21,0:16:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a.. this one's called\N'Zoom in, zoom out'.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.71,0:16:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're literally just ink on paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.95,0:16:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the capacitive touch still works\Nthrough the paper
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.29,0:16:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's.. I'm kind of like a,\Nmaybe a short term it's meant to be,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.07,0:17:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe purely a visualization\Nin a sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.20,0:17:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think maybe..\NI hope that there's more, there is also
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.49,0:17:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like kind of an artistic side of these too,\Nwhere they're also kind of commenting
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.32,0:17:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the way we're consuming media\Nright now.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.02,0:17:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this one's called\N'Next next next', right?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.25,0:17:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is..\Nand 'next next next' is the way
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.59,0:17:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably this piece will be consumed\Nin 99% of the time, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.19,0:17:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the 10 people that see this\Nhanging on a wall,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.32,0:17:22.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rest are just gonna 'next'\Nthrough this on instagram, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.39,0:17:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's meant to sort of,\Nkind of archive, like, the bug in amber
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.88,0:17:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit, these moments that\Nwe're going through right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.25,0:17:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we're touching pixels\Nfor the first time,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.18,0:17:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these things that kind of feel,\Nsort of high-tech in a sense,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.06,0:17:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but quickly are feeling very blunt,\Nlike to me this feels like
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.24,0:17:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very blunt way to consume media,\Na very blunt way to have a relationship
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.83,0:17:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with art.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.86,0:17:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So hopefully it's commenting\Non that a bit too.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.34,0:17:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a related piece from the series.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.86,0:17:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is.. this piece is called 'Level Cleared'.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.47,0:17:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is me playing Angry Birds\Nfrom start to finish.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.03,0:17:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Laughing{\i0} And so..\N{\i1}Applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.36,0:18:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the grid starts in the upper left corner\Nwith level 1-1.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.47,0:18:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoever else has a Angry.. or had\Nat one point an Angry Birds addiction,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.39,0:18:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know the level well.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.64,0:18:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I just played straight through.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.98,0:18:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes me full-time Angry Birds play,\Nlike 8-10 hours a day for 3 days
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.30,0:18:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get through.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.35,0:18:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they keep adding levels,\Nso when I have to remake the piece now
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.74,0:18:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's even more of a nightmare.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.33,0:18:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it just marches straight through.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.44,0:18:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have one sheet per level..\Nper attempted level,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.32,0:18:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so again, this piece, like,\NI've been thinking a lot about
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.37,0:18:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the art.. how art and the internet\Nrelate in terms of the consumption of art
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.37,0:18:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how time is affected with\Nour consumption of art.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.63,0:18:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was, actually, I was thinking about\Nconversations we had earlier
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.77,0:18:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the F.A.T. days
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.09,0:18:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we were both kind of joking at one point\Nabout how we felt like the internet was
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.66,0:18:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of.. we always had to load projects up,\Nlike, if we didn't release something in 2
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.47,0:18:50.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weeks,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.63,0:18:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was like we were\Ndead on the internet, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.01,0:18:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we felt this kind of like push\Nfrom the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.37,0:18:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we had to keep making and\Nkeep making and keep making.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.73,0:18:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was something interesting about\Nparticipating in that culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.88,0:19:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then more and more\NI've been thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.80,0:19:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can you maybe still contribute\Nand participate in that kind of consumption
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.23,0:19:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of media,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.19,0:19:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then have the same piece\Nmean something slightly different
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.33,0:19:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people that are gonna invest\Nmore amounts of time in it, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.73,0:19:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how pieces, even if people consume it\Nin a blog post title and have one reaction,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.10,0:19:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which might be a familiar reaction\Nlike laughter,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.51,0:19:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I actually really like\Nfrom this piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.73,0:19:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm trying to embed in these\Nother kind of readings of the work,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.51,0:19:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you come in and you sit\Non this bench, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.16,0:19:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is maybe my interpretation\Nof the piece, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.15,0:19:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you sit in front of these, like\N1500 sheets of paper
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.62,0:19:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after the kind of wave of laughter\Nleaves you and you realize
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.38,0:19:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, all the things I could have done\Nat that time, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.42,0:19:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I coulda learned French,\NI coulda lost ten pounds,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.94,0:19:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I coulda learned how to cook more,\NI could've read a whole bunch of books,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.08,0:19:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and instead I was like just flicking,\Nlike, birds at pigs
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.80,0:19:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over and over and over and over again.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.28,0:19:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's.. I like both readings.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.63,0:19:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I like the reading that..\Nit can be consumed in Instagram quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.66,0:20:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like the reading..\NI.. if people are able to sit with it
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.10,0:20:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe contemplate these larger issues\NI like it as well, but I think
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.24,0:20:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in art-making right now there is this..\NI'm trying to make work that isn't
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.75,0:20:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just addressing the internet's drive\Nto have things faster and quicker
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.06,0:20:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in blogpost titles, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.72,0:20:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause I felt it sort of affected\Nthe art I was making.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.04,0:20:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also the internet has like\Nfundamentally changed, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.86,0:20:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I think.. I think the times\Nthat we were at IBM and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.81,0:20:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were doing F.A.T. Lab\Nand the times that we were
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.30,0:20:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of wrestling with that work -\Nthings really changed, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.92,0:20:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we all felt it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.56,0:20:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in this crowd I don't\Nreally have to talk about it, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.99,0:20:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for a while, the internet to me\Nfelt like this, and shame on me, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.26,0:20:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as I've been making work and\Nthe work's been changing,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.09,0:20:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my relationship to the internet\Nhas been changing,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.73,0:20:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I'm gonna into some things\Nthat I know you all know,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.30,0:20:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is kind of like my personal take\Non it, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.65,0:20:55.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My.. this is like how I came to think\Nabout the situation that we're in now.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.03,0:20:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to think the internet\Nwas the Big Bang, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.45,0:20:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was how I was introduced to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.54,0:21:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I thought, holy shit, this is\Ngonna happen
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.05,0:21:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's just gonna keep multiplying,\Ngetting bigger and bigger
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.12,0:21:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there'll be a server for every interest,\Nand everybody'll be a publisher,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.67,0:21:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone's gonna be empowered.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.73,0:21:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought it was this\NBig Bang model of what was gonna happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.48,0:21:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think more and more that, like,\Nit's actually the Big Crunch model,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.42,0:21:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is when the universe expands\Nto a maximization point
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.70,0:21:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then at some point starts\Ncontracting down, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.05,0:21:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think, I think that that middle point..\NI think that middle point was when
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.49,0:21:24.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we accepted Gmail.\N{\i1}Laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.45,0:21:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I think once we, like,\Nculturally decided that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.37,0:21:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone could read our emails\Nand advertise us to our inbox,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.01,0:21:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really think people at Google\Nwere just like, holy shit, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.03,0:21:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'They bought it.'\NLike, from that point on it was just really
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.51,0:21:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.30,0:21:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so now it's been of course\Ncondensing into fewer and fewer servers,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.38,0:21:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and.. anyway, we all know this stuff, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.16,0:21:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this kind of like, this condensation\Nof the internet down to one point
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.47,0:21:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feels like it's happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.95,0:21:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kind of targeted marketing\Nthat just was annoying at one point
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.46,0:21:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now feels really more sinister, like,\NI mean, it was kind of ok
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.09,0:22:00.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to read our email and\Nadvertise to us,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.77,0:22:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then when you start, like,\Nkind of snitching on us,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.40,0:22:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was just.. that was hard for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.23,0:22:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, we don't even need to talk about this,\N'cause I know it gets addressed all the time
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.05,0:22:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.30,0:22:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for me, as someone who is making art\Nthat was engaged in the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.10,0:22:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of the inspirations that I was taking\Nfor, from the kind of free culture movement
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.24,0:22:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and free software movement,\Nengaged with the internet, and like,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.74,0:22:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the convolution of these 3 things, of like,\Nmonetization of the web,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.04,0:22:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the centralization of the web,\Nand then this kind of spying scandal.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.00,0:22:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They really left me in kind of like staggering\Nfor ways to get back to making art
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.85,0:22:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about an internet that didn't feel\Nfunny to me any more, right, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.63,0:22:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet was ..\Nthis is how I felt like.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.82,0:22:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt like the lolcats were just\Nthis Trojan horse, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.33,0:22:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, and I.. after all this was sort of happening\NI couldn't even see the cats
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.34,0:22:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the internet any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.09,0:22:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I thought, the internet was\Nthe land of the cats and unicorns,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.42,0:22:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now, the fur has kind of been removed\Nand you see the terminator's shiny skull
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.16,0:22:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the red beady eye.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.68,0:22:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so if.. and just like from a personal\Nstandpoint it got hard
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.71,0:23:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get interested in making art\Nin that medium again.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.16,0:23:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, that was like all leading up\Nto this talk,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.60,0:23:09.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which maybe a lot of you\Nhave seen either at transmediale last year,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.95,0:23:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or here, or, I mean, around the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.96,0:23:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was in the internet\Nfor a second there.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.19,0:23:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was Peter's talk at transmediale,\Nwhere he gets on stage
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.02,0:23:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he basically says\N'We've lost, and it's over.'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.20,0:23:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is something I know that\Nwe've heard here from Frank and Rop
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.52,0:23:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,10 years ago, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.55,0:23:29.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know this isn't a new narrative.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.35,0:23:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for me, Peter's talk came along\Nkind of at the right time,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.17,0:23:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where.. like, the Pirate Bay, for me,\Nand the work that Piratbyran had been
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.15,0:23:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.67,0:23:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been really one of my main, like,\Nheroes, one of the main reasons
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.22,0:23:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started making art.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.38,0:23:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, the Pirate Bay for me is still,\NI think, one of the most amazing things made
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.78,0:23:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during my lifetime.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.52,0:23:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was what really turned me,\Nkind of, from architecture to thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.80,0:23:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how entertainment and activism\Ncould overlap,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.99,0:23:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how people could really\Nchange things
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.66,0:23:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have kind of powerstructure-altering\Nthings that we could contribute
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.57,0:24:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.56,0:24:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you have these kind of\Npersonal heroes get on stage
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.38,0:24:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tell you that that's over..
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.02,0:24:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I happy to hear that\NI had this kind of moment where I was like,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.90,0:24:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why am I feeling happy about\Nhearing that, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.65,0:24:13.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I realized that that was kind\Nof how I was feeling,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.49,0:24:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have somebody else say that..\Nit felt really.. good's the wrong word,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.16,0:24:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it felt.. strangely empowering\Nto sort of start to admit to myself
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.30,0:24:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that maybe the kind of ship\Nwas sinking, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.66,0:24:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, shortly after that we were also having\Nconversations within the F.A.T. Lab internally,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.88,0:24:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, not by unanimous decision\Nbut by majority we decided
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.28,0:24:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we were gonna shut the doors\Nat F.A.T. Lab.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.92,0:24:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I won't speak for the group,\Nbut my.. my personal thoughts on why
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.96,0:24:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we.. they shut down, which maybe\Nisn't important in the greater sense,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.11,0:24:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just, kind of again, like as\Na.. kind of my personal take
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.27,0:24:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how I'm working through this stuff\Nwas like.. I felt like F.A.T. Lab..
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.96,0:24:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the internet had sort of\Noutpaced us, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.26,0:24:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that idea of radical entertainment\Nhad a moment when there was
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.83,0:25:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a loophole in the media where\Nkind of companies and capitalism
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.71,0:25:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hadn't really figured out viral\Nmarketing yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.46,0:25:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had this.. this like big opening\Nwhere we could really speak to people
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.13,0:25:08.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a larger platform because\Nthere weren't whole divisions
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.77,0:25:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Wieden+Kennedy that were just\Ntrying to do this for the largest companies.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.65,0:25:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, it was.. we figured that out first,\Nand so we had this kind of weakness
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.31,0:25:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we could exploit.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.81,0:25:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as that changed we kind of failed\Nas a group, I think, to keep up
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.06,0:25:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with new modes of activism.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.01,0:25:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other thing that I was sort of\Nfeeling was that we were kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.13,0:25:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providing this David and Goliath\Nnarrative to people.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.19,0:25:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both within the group, they were\Ngetting closer to sort of Silicon Valley,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.76,0:25:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our audience, which I felt like\Nwas getting closer and closer to Silicon Valley,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.28,0:25:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that like... people that were getting\Nentrenched more into that way of thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.16,0:25:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were looking and enjoying our content\Nin a way that sort of felt uncomfortable in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.05,0:25:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.28,0:25:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it felt like the kind of humorous pranks\Nthat we were pulling was helping them cope,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.50,0:25:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way, with the fact that they were\Nsupporting that system.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.35,0:25:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And... it kind of felt like we were\Nthe comedian on the Titanic,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.09,0:25:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like telling jokes as it was sinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.73,0:26:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, it felt to me that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.28,0:26:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so at some point it felt\Nmore powerful to kind of just say
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.86,0:26:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Goodbye' and maybe put a message\Nin a bottle and jump off the ship
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.17,0:26:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than sit there and keep\Nbailing out the ship, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.39,0:26:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that's where I was\Nat the beginning of this year.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.08,0:26:17.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the work that I'm gonna show\Nfrom this point on,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.85,0:26:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I think I still have.. yeah, ok,\N25 minutes or so,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.79,0:26:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is kind of the work I've been doing\Nto try to get back to that point
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.50,0:26:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had when I first saw FETCH\Nand FTP and kind of understood,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.26,0:26:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a very rudimentary way,\Nhow the internet functions,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.25,0:26:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what that empowering\Nmoment felt like,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.28,0:26:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trying to struggle to get back\Nto a point where I could make art
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.70,0:26:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was engaged in the internet again.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.04,0:26:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, one way.. one way I started\Nthat search was to sort of start
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.41,0:26:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the beginning, and thinking about,\Nlike, what is our cultural conception
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.79,0:26:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the internet is,\Nwhat it looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.45,0:26:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have generally a kind of\Nvery poor visual metaphor
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.05,0:26:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for what the internet is, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.16,0:26:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is just a google image search\Nfor the word 'internet'
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.39,0:26:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doesn't, to me,\Nfeel very representative
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.92,0:26:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the network is\Nor what it feels like.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.92,0:27:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I started to get more\Ninto thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.17,0:27:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it was, like,\Nit can't just be, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.97,0:27:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blue-glowing logos in clouds,\Nit has to be something physical.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.23,0:27:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I started reading Andrew Blum's\Nbook 'Tubes'.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.07,0:27:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started reading Neal Stephenson's\N'Mother Earth Mother Board',
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.82,0:27:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, if there is any sort of internet\Ninfrastructure nerds,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.81,0:27:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like an amazing primer,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.45,0:27:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of the first maybe seminal texts\Nabout following internet cables
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.44,0:27:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the globe,\Nwhich is kind of understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.15,0:27:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it looks like in these moments\Nof transition, when it sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.57,0:27:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enters the water and reaches the land.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.50,0:27:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one thing that Andrew Blum\Ntalks about in his book is this idea
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.44,0:27:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these kind of like.. there's no\Nmonuments for this thing that's really
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.63,0:27:42.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a major part of our sort of time\Nhere on Earth,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.100,0:27:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe our part of culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.93,0:27:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like there's not\Nthese places that we can kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.07,0:27:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go visit and commune with\Nin the same way there are other
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.31,0:27:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,architectural landmarks.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.18,0:27:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so you get these kind of like\Nlonely manhole covers
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.49,0:27:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on these very desolate beaches\Nin Nova Scotia.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.55,0:28:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, at the same time that\NI was sort of doing that research,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.23,0:28:07.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is gonna sound like a big\Nleft turn, but I'm gonna pull it back,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.05,0:28:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time I was doing\Nthat research I was also working
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.87,0:28:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on another project that required\Nthe use of an infra-red camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.62,0:28:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I was kind of spending my time\Ndoing this research and looking
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.26,0:28:17.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the internet trying to find\Nreally cheap infra-red cameras,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.81,0:28:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause of course I'm an artist\Nand I'm broke,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.09,0:28:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I kept finding myself on these\Nwebsites of people selling technology
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.29,0:28:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ghost hunters, which is a community\Nthat I had no interactions with,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.67,0:28:32.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no experience of, but they just had\Nreally good cheap infra-red cameras.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.62,0:28:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.29,0:28:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was like, I was sitting there\Nin these online ghost hunting shops,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.22,0:28:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.27,0:28:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I felt myself having one of those\Nmoments with technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.41,0:28:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where.. that I hadn't felt in a long time,\Nit was just like a kid.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.71,0:28:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, looking at this technology,\NI mean, like 'What the fuck is this,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.50,0:28:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, why, I don't understand!'\Nand they..
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.75,0:28:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then I started to get interested in it\Nmore on
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.65,0:28:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of like a metaphorical or conceptual\Nlevel,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.57,0:28:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause what the ghost hunter..\Nghost hunting community was..
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.34,0:29:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is kind of interested in doing is, they're..\Nthey talk about disembodied human energy
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.90,0:29:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.16,0:29:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so they're making tech to try to\Nvisualize disembodied human energy.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.40,0:29:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in a sense this felt like what I was\Ntrying to do with a lot of the work
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.10,0:29:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was doing, which was trying\Nto take all this kind of invisible momentum
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.64,0:29:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's getting stored in servers and\Ngoing through the fibre-optic cables
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.34,0:29:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thinking about ways to kind of visualize\Nthat work to come to some understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.20,0:29:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.80,0:29:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the ghost hunting community had this\Namazing tech to do that with.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.30,0:29:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so then I started to go really deep\Ndown this ghost hunting rabbit hole,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.67,0:29:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was another fun way to spend\Nthree months on the internet. {\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.48,0:29:34.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll show just one clip.. 'cause I'd\Nnever seen any of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.55,0:29:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so people that are familiar with\Nthese communities, this is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.37,0:29:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe old hat, but to me this\Nwas like just fascinating.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.18,0:29:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is.. they also come from where\NI come from, so this is like,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.40,0:29:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Mid-West Spirit Organisation,\Nlike they're all from the midwest
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.14,0:29:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the US, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.72,0:29:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause it's super boring there and\Nso apparently like.. {\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.14,0:29:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you either do drugs or you\Nhunt for ghosts, and.. {\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.48,0:29:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is one from the Mid-West\NSpirit Group, and this is one of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.07,0:29:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many many clips on youtube.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.53,0:30:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a video shot in full-spectrum\Ncamera, which is just a camera
Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.54,0:30:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been modified you see\Na little bit more of the ultra-violet spectrum
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.42,0:30:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a little bit more of the infrared\Nspectrum, and the audio you're gonna hear
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.30,0:30:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is from what they call a spirit box,\Nwhich is essentially a hacked radio,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.16,0:30:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that just keeps scanning,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.95,0:30:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'll talk more about that in a bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.13,0:30:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Guy: This is a device that you guys\Ncan come forward any spirits and speak with
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.86,0:30:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me. (??)
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.35,0:30:49.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, so, if you have a message, please\Ncome forward and speak to me into this device.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.07,0:30:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}noise{\i0}\NFemale voice: Hi.\NGuy: Hi, tell me your name.\N{\i1}noise{\i0}\N{\i1}noise{\i0}{\i1}boop{\i0}\N{\i1}noiseboopnoise{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.57,0:30:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Ok, I'll let you do your own\Nyoutube searching for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.01,0:30:55.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even that idea, like, if you have\Na message for me, come speak into this device,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.31,0:30:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I wanna use that for like the title\Nof
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.22,0:30:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my next solo show, to me it's like sooo...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.87,0:31:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is like something happening there\Nthat seems like a statement that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.51,0:31:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is greater than the ghost hunting\Ncommunity.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.44,0:31:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also their relationship with technology\Nkind of feels very.. I mean it's strange to
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.12,0:31:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say this
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.42,0:31:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause for me as a sort of non-believer\Nin ghosts I find the technology maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.48,0:31:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inherently flawed, but I.. the approach\Nseems so honest to me in a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.66,0:31:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like they're really setting out to make tools\Nin a very honest way, very little commercial
Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.17,0:31:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interest,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.26,0:31:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to satisfy this niche community.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.59,0:31:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So anyway, this is like a... it was really\Ngetting
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.58,0:31:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back to sort of, like, DIY culture
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.51,0:31:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of people making technology\Nfor their own needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.57,0:31:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's a relatively self-aware community\Ntoo,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.06,0:31:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like they talk about this idea
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.31,0:31:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of matrixing a lot, which is the same as\Napophenia, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.13,0:31:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's this idea that our brains are kind of\Nhardwired to find patterns in randomness.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.34,0:31:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, they're aware of this.\NAnd so scepticism is like a big badge,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.92,0:31:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people, if you wanna rise the ranks\Nin the paranormal community,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.05,0:31:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to kind of debunk more\Nghosts than you find, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.53,0:31:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this to me is something that's\Nreally interesting too,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.15,0:32:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause I think that they might actually\Nbe more critical of the investigations
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.32,0:32:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're doing than we're doing, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.34,0:32:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so then when we look and see\Nthat we've got 5807 friend requests
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.70,0:32:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it feels like this might be a matrixing\Nthat we're doing with our own technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.19,0:32:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with social media rather than\Nthe ghost hunting.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.14,0:32:17.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or whether.. like, the kind of like popular\Nidea
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.57,0:32:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that technology can solve our problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.39,0:32:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can explain all these complicated\Nproblems in 13 minutes or less,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.63,0:32:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 120 characters or less, it seems\Nlike maybe our relationship technology
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.63,0:32:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe isn't any more flawed than\Ntheir relationship with technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.64,0:32:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I decided to sort of set out\Non my own kind of... pilgrimage
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.88,0:32:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the internet, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.03,0:32:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way the ghost hunters..\Nthis isn't something that ghost hunters do
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.58,0:32:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of around the kitchen table\Nover coffee, right,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.77,0:32:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they go to what they call 'areas of\Nactivity', which are actually not graveyards,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.90,0:32:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.15,0:32:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This would be an area of inactivity.\NIt's more, like, abandoned hospitals,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.46,0:32:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or insane asylums, like areas where\Nactivity happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.47,0:32:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the.. because I wasn't looking\Nfor ghosts, I'm looking for more
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.75,0:33:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this, like, reforged relationship\Nwith a.. an innocence lost of the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.31,0:33:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The area that I decided to go to,\Nwhich is talked about a lot by
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.29,0:33:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stephenson's 'Mother Earth Mother Board'\Narticle, is this Porthcurno beach,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.12,0:33:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is.. if you're in the UK and you\Njust keep driving west as far as you can
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.33,0:33:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until.. literally when the land ends\Nthere's a hotel called Land's End,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.90,0:33:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you're there, you're\Nwithin, like, 3 km of really cool stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.45,0:33:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you're in.. you're where 15% of the global\Ninternet flows through fibre-optic cables.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.67,0:33:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's historically where the pirate ships\Nwould hide in the coves.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.92,0:33:38.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2000 BC it was where all the standing-stone\Ncircles..
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.35,0:33:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's all these standing stones in this\Narea.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.12,0:33:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's where in 1870 the first telegraph came\Nout
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.92,0:33:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the ocean, the exact same beach
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.44,0:33:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the fibre-optic cables are at now.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.38,0:33:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2 km up the beach is where Marconi\Nwas building these amazing structures
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.48,0:33:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to send the first wireless transmissions\Nover the Atlantic,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.18,0:34:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all within this super-remote area\Nway out at the west of the UK.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.36,0:34:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I made my map and I had\Nmy little destinations I wanted to go to,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.25,0:34:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I rented a car, I got my gear.\NI had a mix of, like, ghost-hunting gear
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.80,0:34:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I bought and some that I'd made,\Nand some just other devices that I'd thought
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.31,0:34:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might come in handy.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.06,0:34:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I started by doing something that\NNeal Stephenson suggested to do
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.55,0:34:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're hunting for the internet,\Nwhich is to follow the manholes.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.50,0:34:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I started just following\Nthe manholes.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.15,0:34:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And.. it really.. it's.. so when you're on\Nthese like surfer beaches,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.73,0:34:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where nobody is and you see\Nlike 30 manholes in the parking lot
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.42,0:34:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's meant just to get to the beach\Nto go surfing,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.95,0:34:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're probably getting close.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.72,0:34:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On these little farmroads that\Nwere just out in the middle of nowhere
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.17,0:34:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with just sheep kind of grazing,\Nevery once in a while there'd be a driveway
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.21,0:34:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that had these really large sort of\Naccess covers,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.29,0:34:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you looked, they're designed\Nto look like these typical british country
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.46,0:34:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,houses,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.00,0:34:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but on closer inspection you can see\Nthat there's all these extra security measures
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.88,0:35:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and blacked-out windows,\Nand so this is a internet landing location.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.69,0:35:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Farms that have way more airconditioning\Nthan they need for the .. {\i1}laughing{\i0} .. sheep.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.81,0:35:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's probably a good sign\Nyou're getting close.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.86,0:35:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I wasn't.. I wasn't really interested\Nin.. as a sort of journalistic endeavour,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.13,0:35:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, it was really more.. I wanted to\Nsort of step away from the computer
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.32,0:35:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a moment,\NI wanted to get out into nature
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.63,0:35:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanted to sort of just see\Nwhat it felt like to stand on top of that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.60,0:35:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cable,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.76,0:35:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, what would it feel like to stand\Non top of this cable where 25% of the traffic
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.47,0:35:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was flowing through.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.72,0:35:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I started taking this series of\Nlandscapes, like just landscape photography.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.97,0:35:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes.. sometimes the cable was\Nwithin the frame.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.30,0:35:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I took this photo I actually didn't know\Nexactly what I was shooting,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.17,0:35:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in this frame is both the cable and\Nthe GCHQ-tapped cable,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.04,0:35:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you can kind of see the dishes\Nup there in the background.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.49,0:35:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's.. it was less for me about, like,\Nthose actual recording the cables, the dishes.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.57,0:35:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was more about something that I read about\Nin Andrew Blum's book,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.88,0:36:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was there's this really interesting phenomena\Nthat happens when you go hunting for the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.83,0:36:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is like you end up in these super-remote\Nlocations,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.09,0:36:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like you're trying to go have this research\Nand
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.33,0:36:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience with telecommunications,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.11,0:36:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you end up like on these really\Nlonely beaches which is by design
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.64,0:36:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause they don't want cables and nets\Naround them.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.93,0:36:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many times you don't have 3G or cellphone\Nservice, and it's kind of just you and like,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.46,0:36:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.61,0:36:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this lonely beach.\NIt's.. this.. sort of interesting,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.76,0:36:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me it was really beautiful, like,\NIt really felt.. it felt good.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:27.62,0:36:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So.. this is something I've been doing\Nmore and more lately, and I just..
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.47,0:36:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I go to these places as a way,\Nnot to necessarily document
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.85,0:36:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,physical artifacts of the internet\Nbut more just putting myself
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.75,0:36:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in sort of a place where I wanna\Nmake art about the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.33,0:36:44.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the internet manifests itself\Nin different ways in different countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.09,0:36:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the UK, it's just these wooden signs,\Nthis is.. it's just a yellow wooden sign
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.85,0:36:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says 'telephone cable' on it,\Nwhich is like the most beautiful
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.60,0:36:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of, like, anticlimactic understated\Nmonument you could have, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.41,0:37:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is one of the biggest global\Ninternet connection points in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.37,0:37:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's just this little tiny sign, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.15,0:37:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to me that was really perfect\Nin a way, like, I was.. I was really..
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.67,0:37:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it felt good that it was that, and\Nthat something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.10,0:37:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And.. so at the same time I was taking that\Nphotography, I was also taking readings
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.56,0:37:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this series of ghost-hunting devices.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.44,0:37:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is probably my favourite one,\Nthis is called the Ovilus 3.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.06,0:37:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is by a company called 'Digital Dowsing',\Nwhich is a really great name for
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.56,0:37:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a ghost-hunting tech company,\Nmade by Bill Chappell.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.55,0:37:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the Ovilus 3 has this\Nkind of like old.. it's called visual draw
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.30,0:37:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mode.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.79,0:37:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And based on kind of EMF and temperature\Nreadings, it has this drawing system,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.90,0:37:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it spits out.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.56,0:37:46.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so at every place that I was taking\Na photograph I was also taking this reading
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.02,0:37:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this ghost-hunting device.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.86,0:37:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, this manifested in different ways.\NWhen I showed in the gallery one way was
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.15,0:37:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this series of essentially paired landscape\Nphotography where on the top is just a photograph
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.73,0:38:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from these various places and then on the\Nbottom
Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.79,0:38:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of laser-etched into the surface of the\Nprint
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.97,0:38:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are these readouts from the ghost-hunting\Ndevice.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.49,0:38:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is kind of.. even.. even if you didn't\Nknow
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.51,0:38:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that came to the piece and didn't know the\Nbackground
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.17,0:38:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's meant to be this kind of play between\Nanalogue and digital and this play between
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.11,0:38:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of the spiritual and the real,\Nand when you view these prints,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.88,0:38:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you kind of have the same interaction with\Nthe print
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.96,0:38:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was having when I was documenting them,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.64,0:38:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was you.. you had this kind of natural\Nposition when you're kind of viewing
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.15,0:38:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the horizon line,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.91,0:38:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then when we kind of check our phones,\Nright,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.33,0:38:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's kind of like this all day long.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.14,0:38:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the pieces are meant to have that as\Nwell,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.03,0:38:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you.. you kind of look at the horizon\Nline
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.04,0:38:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the photo and then you kind of bend down\Nto look at the little digital read-out.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.95,0:38:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this was.. this was one of the series from\Nan exhibition I did in London last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.35,0:38:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,6 months ago - no, 3 months ago\NI got an invitation to come to New Zealand
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.72,0:38:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a place that was on my kind of like\Nbucket list for internet exploratory research
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.09,0:38:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purposes,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.56,0:39:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because New Zealand has this.. this.. they\Nhave
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.17,0:39:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than 2 cables, but there is 1 cable
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.97,0:39:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called the Southern Cross Network,\Nwhich is essentially its main connection
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.28,0:39:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the globe, and it comes in\Non the West Coast and then
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.51,0:39:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crosses, like, I don't... like 30 km maybe,\Nand then exits on the right.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.49,0:39:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it comes over from Australia,\Ngoes underground for a very short
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.24,0:39:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of time, then bounces off\Nfor essentially California.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.27,0:39:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's its main connection\Nto the world, these 2 very actually unguarded
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.12,0:39:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connection points.\NI.. maybe in the Q&A I can talk about more..
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.50,0:39:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.96,0:39:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But basically, on this trip I got..\NI mean I got there and they were doing
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.76,0:39:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,construction work
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.21,0:39:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the cable was just really there, like,\Nit was dug up and in a puddle
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.51,0:39:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just sitting there next to this military\Ncompound
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.79,0:39:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with like this military airstrip
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.75,0:39:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with like planes taking off.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.04,0:39:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was there for 2 hours with a ghost-hunting\Ndevice just kind of touching the cable
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.10,0:39:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nobody said anything.\NIt was amazing. {\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.96,0:39:58.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And.. prior to this trip though I was doing\Nmore kind of research to try and understand
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.77,0:40:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the internet really really was,\Nand.. there's a lot of people in the room
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.21,0:40:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are more, who have more technical\Nknowledge than I do, so if I'm..
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.51,0:40:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm misquoting things please tell me\Nafterwards so I can update this.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.05,0:40:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But my.. my current understanding is that\Nwhat's going through the fibre-optic
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.67,0:40:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is essentially infrared.. infrared laser light\Nthat's being modulated at different frequencies
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.55,0:40:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of centre around\Nthis 1550 nm mark, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.35,0:40:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so give or take a few nm, the internet\Nhappens generally in this near-infrared spectrum.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.01,0:40:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is interesting to me as kind of an artmaker,\Nbecause most of our digital devices can sense
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.47,0:40:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that near-infrared spectrum, in that same\N1550 nm range.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.32,0:40:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So most.. most digital cameras you can open\Nup
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.21,0:40:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and .. if you go all the way down to the CCD
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.17,0:40:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can take off the infrared-blocking chip\Nand you get left with a camera that senses
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.11,0:40:55.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that light, and you can put another lens\Non top
Dialogue: 0,0:40:55.93,0:40:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that blocks everything but the infrared light,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.14,0:40:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you're left with a device that's\Nkind of
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.73,0:41:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in my head anyway,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.39,0:41:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sensing the world in the same sort of spectrum\Nthat's going through the fibre-optic cable.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.72,0:41:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these tutorials are. have.. this presentation\NI'm gonna have a link to at the end,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.18,0:41:14.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the links are here but this is from a website\Ncalled Life Pixel which has really amazing
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.45,0:41:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like screw-by-screw tutorials for how to do\Nthis with most consumer and like prosumer
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.37,0:41:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,digital cameras.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.87,0:41:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so then I started shooting these..\Nthese are photographs from
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.23,0:41:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is from the West Coast of New Zealand,\Nshot with this modified Lumix GF1 camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.59,0:41:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it started like.. I had this feeling\Nwhere
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.40,0:41:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the visuals that these cameras were giving,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.67,0:41:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like.. in.. there's like a technical connection\Nto the internet, but for me there was also
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.04,0:41:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of a visual connection where\Nthe photos had the sort of feeling
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.41,0:41:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was having, they were sort of these\Ndark strange glimpses of the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.45,0:41:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that wasn't Nyan cats and unicorns, right,\Nit was this kind of, like, darker stranger
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.06,0:41:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,view
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.51,0:41:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the internet landscape looked like,\Nand the more I was taking photos
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.91,0:42:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sort of less and less interested I got\Nin actually shooting a cable
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.04,0:42:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the more and more interested I got\Nin just what these landscapes looked like.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.78,0:42:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so in this example you can kind of see\Nthe dirt that's kind of slowly growing over
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.06,0:42:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from where the trench was dug,\Nor in this one.. from this distance
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.70,0:42:18.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't see anything.\NThere's a small moment where like
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.23,0:42:21.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an old coaxial cable kind of\Ncomes out of that cliff.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.03,0:42:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for me it's more about really\Nthinking about like an old-school artform,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.81,0:42:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of like the landscape, and trying to think\Nabout
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.81,0:42:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how I can make these landscape images
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.40,0:42:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are sort of reflective both of the\Nphysical landscape and of our kind of like
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.40,0:42:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network landscape and cultural landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.69,0:42:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are just some of the kind of images\NI was taking on this New Zealand trip.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.48,0:42:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah, again, sometimes there is like\Nno visual evidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.24,0:42:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes it's just.. just a tree that happens\Nto be growing on top of the internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.16,0:42:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I'm still.. this is stuff I'm still\Ngoing
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.34,0:42:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.84,0:42:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I'm kinda drifting into\Nworks in progress,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.82,0:43:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but where I'm thinking this is going\Nin one way is a series of new websites
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.45,0:43:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm gonna be making that\Nare really boring.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.11,0:43:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think there's like a really big\Nmarket in boring in the arts
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.37,0:43:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's coming up.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.14,0:43:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I think we've had enough\Nof this like really quick stuff,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.50,0:43:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so now I'm gonna take it back,\Nand so I'm making pieces that are..
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.78,0:43:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had these experiences..\Nso these are tripod shots.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.17,0:43:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm shooting usually like 10-15\Nminute tripod shots at these
Dialogue: 0,0:43:19.17,0:43:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different locations, and...\Nso these are really quiet moments,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.10,0:43:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially just video streaming\Ninto a browser,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.39,0:43:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and part of the idea is like giving..\Nforcing people to have the experience
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.87,0:43:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was having, so it's..\NI would find myself in these amazing locations
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.24,0:43:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes there'd even be like\Nwhales breaching in the background
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.40,0:43:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and like 7 minutes into the shot\NI'd catch myself, like, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.75,0:43:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bending down to the phone again,\Nand like, even in this like amazing environment
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.77,0:43:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I was having a hard time\Nbreaking out of that really like rapid-phased
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.19,0:43:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of click-bait mentality that I'm starting\Nto fall into as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.44,0:43:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I want these websites to be\Nsuper super boring,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.59,0:43:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, more contemplative, more\Non the timeline of what viewing nature is
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.52,0:43:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.57,0:44:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than what viewing the web is like.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.76,0:44:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is.. this is the triangular sign here\Nis
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.29,0:44:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the cable signs look like in New Zealand,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.61,0:44:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is, if there's any copy-me fans, like,\Nwhen I got out there and found
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.23,0:44:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's this like beautiful triangle,\Nlike, standing over the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.53,0:44:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was like an amazing moment for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.65,0:44:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the.. so these websites are gonna be\Ndifferent websites.. each website will
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.00,0:44:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just have one video flowing through it,\Nslow, infrared video shots with this sort
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.24,0:44:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of audio
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.14,0:44:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the background. The audio is made\Nfrom my own ghost-hunting tech,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.41,0:44:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I'll be releasing when I get finished\Nwith all the stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.61,0:44:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is my own version of the\Nspirit box,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.79,0:44:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where, instead of just scanning through\Nthe radio, I have it hooked up
Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.28,0:44:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a pulse sensor,\Nso it's skipping through the radio stations
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.70,0:44:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on my heart beat.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.76,0:44:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So every time my pulse goes\Nit switches radio stations.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.26,0:44:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And.. so the audio is like.. yah, it looked..\NI looked rather strange like just kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.14,0:44:52.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting there
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.41,0:44:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to commune with the internet, like,\Nhooked put to this heart monitor
Dialogue: 0,0:44:54.93,0:44:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this infrared camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.09,0:44:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the pieces are sort of meant to\Nkind of hopefully give
Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.58,0:45:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of those feelings I was having\Nwhen I was there.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.15,0:45:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other idea is that these videos\Nare all gonna be located in servers
Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.42,0:45:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are as close as possible to where\NI shot them, so
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.66,0:45:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm actually thinking of them less as websites\Nas kind of like network-specific videos.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.99,0:45:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, in the New Zealand example,\NI have server space in New Zealand now,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.98,0:45:22.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where these videos are hosted,\Nso that when you view the video,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.85,0:45:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it loads into the browser and it's\Nstreaming.. you know, chances are,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.94,0:45:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have like kind of like a 50-50 chance\Ndepending on what country you are in,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.73,0:45:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the video, as it's being converted into\Nthe same spectrum that it's shot in,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.11,0:45:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also streaming kind of like just underneath\Nthe frame there.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.45,0:45:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so even though you can't kind of\Nwitness this visually, the idea is like
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.16,0:45:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to.. kind of like I was doing with\Nthe
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.41,0:45:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wikipedia series.. like trying to come up
Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.24,0:45:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with not just a piece that's kind of\Na visual aesthetic of the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.44,0:45:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but something that's really kind of about\Nan experience of the network.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.54,0:45:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the last sort of thing\NI'm playing with is the..
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.31,0:46:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're gonna be all hosted at these URLs,\Nthat when you copy and paste the URL
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.61,0:46:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a mapping application, the URL is\Nactually a GPS coordinate,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.55,0:46:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if you paste the URL into Google Maps,\Nit'll take you to the exact location
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.72,0:46:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the camera was housed (?).
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.94,0:46:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, in Google Earth you can\Nkind of see the triangular sign and the tree
Dialogue: 0,0:46:16.50,0:46:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the same sign and tree\Nfrom the image.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.48,0:46:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I'm kind of playing with the idea\Nof the URL as being both
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.92,0:46:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an address on the globe and the network,\Nand trying to tie again together these 2 things.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.71,0:46:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And part of this for me is again, like,\Nwithout being too nostalgic for the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.23,0:46:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of old,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.90,0:46:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allow the influences that I'm drawing from,\Nfrom the kind of earlier net art scene
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.47,0:46:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was characterized with this kind of classic\Nnet art diagram, where.. the art happens here,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.15,0:46:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.36,0:46:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it's not.. there was this big push\Nin the earlier net art wave that wasn't about
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.70,0:46:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having kind of imagery that was sort of\Nquasi-antithetic(?) of the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.69,0:47:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming on tumbler and being printed\Nin 3D printing into objects (?)
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.83,0:47:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and showing up in a gallery,\Nbut it was really thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.73,0:47:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more fundamentally about\Nthe internet as a platform and a vehicle
Dialogue: 0,0:47:07.47,0:47:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for viewing art and art that can only\Nhappen within that medium.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:13.46,0:47:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I'm kind of trying to take\Nthat idea that's an old one,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.64,0:47:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and overlay that diagram on top\Nof something that's like one step removed
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.95,0:47:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of the metaphor, and thinking\Nabout art that happens in a physical location
Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.28,0:47:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the network at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.36,0:47:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could do one more project or we\Ncould do Q&A,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.13,0:47:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much time do we have now,\N5 more minutes?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.56,0:47:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe I'll wrap it up there.\NAngel: ... 10-15 minutes...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:35.93,0:47:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Ok, ok, I'll do one more project.\NOk.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.38,0:47:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was.. that's going up to like\Nyah, 3.. this is now 2 months ago..
Dialogue: 0,0:47:42.79,0:47:46.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3 months ago.\NI got invited to do a piece in Paraguay
Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.43,0:47:50.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not one of the main\Ninternet hubs, globally.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.03,0:47:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I decided to kind of wrestle with a\Ndifferent piece of the infrastructure of the
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.19,0:47:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.27,0:47:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is kind of the surface, right,\Nthe place that we have this
Dialogue: 0,0:47:56.02,0:47:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more immediate contact with the network.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.93,0:48:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And.. 'cause I noticed when we.. when you\Nfilm
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.67,0:48:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,devices in infrared it has this interesting\Nscenario
Dialogue: 0,0:48:05.42,0:48:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the visual spectrum is kind of inverted\Nin a way where.. the LEDs don't really
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.31,0:48:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emit much infrared light at all,\Nand so the screen, to the viewer,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.79,0:48:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see everything, but to the infrared camera\Nit's almost completely black.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.51,0:48:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And similarly the kind of infrared lights\Nthat sort of shine from the top
Dialogue: 0,0:48:21.04,0:48:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all of our iPhones at our faces\Nall the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.54,0:48:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we can't see with the naked eye,\Nbecome more and more apparent
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.40,0:48:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you're shooting with the infrared.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:27.55,0:48:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, I started.. built this kind of contraption\Nthat I set up in my hotel room
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.34,0:48:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which looked really strange, and then\Ninvited people to come up to the hotel room
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.90,0:48:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and kind of put their device on top of\Nthis camera rig, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.43,0:48:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the invitation was just to waste time,\Nlike, again, trying to get back to this idea
Dialogue: 0,0:48:43.55,0:48:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of casual computing, like,\Nwhat do you do when you're in line
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.60,0:48:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the grocery store, waiting at the\Ndoctor's office, like, what's your bag,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.82,0:48:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it Angry Birds, is it checking facebook?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.89,0:48:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just said, 'here, waste 5 or 10 minutes'\Nand I would record them with this
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.69,0:49:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrared camera and it's kind of..\Nin a way it's connected
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.61,0:49:03.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the paranormal research,\Nbut maybe it's more connected
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.99,0:49:06.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the multi-touch series\Nthat has to do with sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:49:06.15,0:49:09.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,backgrounding, the digital backgrounding,\Nthe interface design and foreground
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.69,0:49:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the human movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:11.42,0:49:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, what you get left with is..\Nyou see the way people are kind of moving
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.51,0:49:21.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over these different devices without seeing\Nthese designs that the..
Dialogue: 0,0:49:21.89,0:49:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Apple and Google are designing for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.53,0:49:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll play just a minute what\Nthat looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.03,0:49:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}electronic noises like birds and bass{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.02,0:50:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: A little boring, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:13.67,0:50:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, but that piece is meant to be this..\Nhave this kind of..
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.92,0:50:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these things that kind of feel so natural\Nand we get so into it,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.24,0:50:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you kind of remove\Nwhat's actually happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.33,0:50:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it kind of ends up looking and\Nsounding so alien, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.39,0:50:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The audio is actually just from\Na contact mic that's placed in the back,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.78,0:50:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's not.. it's just an analog microphone\Npicking up the kind of soft fingertaps on
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.40,0:50:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the screen.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.50,0:50:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the.. it became just this series of\Npeople
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.54,0:50:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sort of agreed to meet with me
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.46,0:50:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and give me 5 or 10 minutes of their\Ncomputing time, shown in the gallery
Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.68,0:50:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this kind of series of again of like\Nportraits through technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:49.90,0:50:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's called 'Dances for Mobile Phones'.\NIt's meant to be idea
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.54,0:50:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're kind of dancing for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.02,0:50:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, so I'll leave it there.\NSo this is me, kind of struggling through,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.62,0:51:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying again to make work and trying\Nto find these sort of optimistic paths
Dialogue: 0,0:51:03.82,0:51:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through a kind of increasingly dark\Ninternet landscape
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.45,0:51:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get back to this kind of more\Nmagical moment I first had
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.10,0:51:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we first kind of understood\Nwhat technological empowerment felt like.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:14.75,0:51:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you so much for spending\Nthe hour with me,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.05,0:51:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if there's any Q&A, I think we have\Na couple of minutes now.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:19.81,0:51:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:21.95,0:51:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.50,0:51:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.08,0:51:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: Thank you so much for your\Nphenomenal talk, Evan,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.78,0:51:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you can tell by the applause that\Nthe people really really liked it.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:46.22,0:51:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Thank you.\NAngel: It was really awesome.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.77,0:51:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: So we have another 5-10 minutes\Nfor questions and answers.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:51.13,0:51:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you ask questions, please move to the\Nmicrophones.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.12,0:51:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have 4 microphones here in the hall.\NDo we have any question from the internet?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:58.78,0:52:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet? No? Alrighty. So we'll start\Nwith this question from over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.89,0:52:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: I really liked your term 'disembodied\Nhuman energy'. I'm gonna start using that
Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.39,0:52:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"DHE".
Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.85,0:52:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: It's not my term, but I like it too.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:12.58,0:52:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: I've been writing about that as well\Nfrom the dark side of how the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.07,0:52:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and digital culture is affecting our\Nbehaviours and society, and was
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.07,0:52:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of putting that into terms of\Ndisembodying experience.. disembody..
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.01,0:52:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disembodied information, and I'm really\Ngoing after that a lot in terms of
Dialogue: 0,0:52:35.24,0:52:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,analyzing digital culture, and just\Nwondering what you think we might do
Dialogue: 0,0:52:42.58,0:52:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to reembody our culture more\Nand not get so lost in these
Dialogue: 0,0:52:48.69,0:52:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technological things that we can do,\Nbut to, like, I just was covering
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.78,0:53:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the failed Paris climate summit,\Nand I feel like the corporate agenda
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.44,0:53:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is liking that we are going more\Nand more into a disembodied place,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.81,0:53:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it can capture our energy more.\NSo I'd just like to ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.54,0:53:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you have any ideas, what we can do\Nto be more reembodying our experiences.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.44,0:53:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Answer: Yah.. no, good question.\NI mean, I can only talk about what I'm..
Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.45,0:53:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how I'm kind of wrestling with it.\NIn.. one sort of decision I made as an artist,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:27.06,0:53:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of, is like I feel like I make better\Nwork when I'm optimistic
Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.91,0:53:33.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than pessimistic.\NLike, I think, anyone who suffered
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.37,0:53:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through depression, like, you know,\Nor had people around you with depression,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.40,0:53:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not a good place to be in when you\Nwanna make thin.. produce things, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.64,0:53:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, part of it is like just finding ways\Nto fall in love with it again.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.05,0:53:45.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, for me that was part of it,\Nit was just trying to find ways
Dialogue: 0,0:53:45.95,0:53:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to kind of fall in love with things again,\Nto the point where I really want to make them.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:49.84,0:53:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other one, for me, too, I mean\NI know there's whole movements of people
Dialogue: 0,0:53:54.19,0:53:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are doing these kind of digital retreat\Nthings which is something I hadn't
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.47,0:54:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,participated in in a formal setting,\Nbut for me just getting away for a moment
Dialogue: 0,0:54:01.71,0:54:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and having these excuses, even for just\Na few days or a week, to sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.86,0:54:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exist by myself without connection..\NI know it's nothing new, I know
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.74,0:54:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people are talking about this,\Nbut it had a real effect on me.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:12.32,0:54:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, one thing that i noticed was,\NI was much more present, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.34,0:54:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially on the UK trip, where..\Nthese are like really cliffy regions,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.32,0:54:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, so a lot of the hiking trails\Nthat I was shooting on were like
Dialogue: 0,0:54:21.34,0:54:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really steep drop-off on the other side\Nof this path, and so I couldn't even do
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.82,0:54:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I normally do, even when I'm away\Nfrom email, but I'm walking around the city
Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.86,0:54:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm still thinking about.. 'Oh, I gotta\Nemail this person, I gotta do that..'
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.83,0:54:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not really present, right.\NAnd I noticed that I had to, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.56,0:54:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop doing that because I kept\Nslipping and falling and, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.57,0:54:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't wanna die.\NAnd so I had this moment
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.11,0:54:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being out in nature again, where,\Nnot only was I away from the tech,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.29,0:54:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but mentally I had to step away from it too,\Njust to be really thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.66,0:54:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot'.\NAnd being able to do that for a few days,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:50.90,0:54:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, now, I'm lining up my schedule\Nthroughout the year
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.55,0:54:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I'm setting up these moments,\Nwhere I have that time to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:56.36,0:54:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, I don't know if that's the answer or\Nnot,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.56,0:55:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for me it's been one way to deal with\Nit.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.34,0:55:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: Thank you very much. Next question\Nfrom this microphone please.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:03.42,0:55:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Thank you very much.I don't know, is it\Non?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.36,0:55:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: Yeah, it's on. Just speak into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.71,0:55:11.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Thank you very much for your talk.\NI'd actually, for me personally,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.81,0:55:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been also struggling a lot with the\Nthought about the dark sides of the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:55:18.29,0:55:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recently,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:18.72,0:55:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your talk actually gave me back a lot\Nof
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.59,0:55:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positive attitude about it, so
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.71,0:55:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you very much for that.\NBut one question that I have:
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.87,0:55:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your 10-second definition of\Nwhat is art, for you?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.77,0:55:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Oh my god.\N{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.46,0:55:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.00,0:55:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Alright, here's a short one I came up\Nwith,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:38.83,0:55:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause the long one's hard, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.56,0:55:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think design is creative work that is influenced\Ndirectly by money and art is creative work
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.83,0:55:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is influenced indirectly by money.\NAnd that's kind of the only difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.51,0:55:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughing{\i0}\N{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.05,0:55:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.36,0:55:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: Thank you. Next question from that\Nmicrophone over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.22,0:56:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Hi. So I wasn't familiar with your work..\NI'm over here.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.77,0:56:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not familiar with your work, and\NI really like it.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.93,0:56:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what I liked most about it is\Nreally that sense of excitement and wonder
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.62,0:56:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you first had when you discovered..\Nwhat was it? SCP? No, it was..
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.63,0:56:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Yeah, FETCH.\NQ: Yeah, FETCH, right.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.08,0:56:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's sort of.. that's still there in many\Nways,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:20.64,0:56:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's different, but it's still there.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.62,0:56:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know, I.. I recently discovered\Nphysics, and I've had sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.80,0:56:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same thing where I am like,\Nwow, we're able to understand things
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.04,0:56:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that I didn't think it was\Npossible, because I hated physics
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.21,0:56:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in school, and realized that\Nthis way it was taught
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.23,0:56:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was really boring.\NAnd so I'm thinking, ok,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.62,0:56:43.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I were to do something\Nlike that, it requires you to
Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.57,0:56:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort of take that step away\Nfrom the technicality of it
Dialogue: 0,0:56:46.28,0:56:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see the technicality of it.\NAnd how do you, with the internet,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:49.24,0:56:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how are you able to keep that distance\Nand has that been a problem for you?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.75,0:56:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: I mean, maybe it's easier for me\Nbecause I'm not all that smart technically.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:57.11,0:57:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's not like I was ever so close,\Nlike most of the code.. I had some
Dialogue: 0,0:57:00.91,0:57:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,formal training when I got to\Ngraduate school, but I was never..
Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.44,0:57:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not a very happy programmer.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.40,0:57:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it was never my kind of\Nnative realm anyway,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:09.01,0:57:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I came more from the design field.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:11.65,0:57:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it didn't feel like anything I was having\Nto turn off so much
Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.43,0:57:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause maybe I wasn't ever all that\Nclose to it, in a sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.19,0:57:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't.. that's maybe a bad answer,\Nbut it's probably the truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.57,0:57:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been trying to get closer to physics\Ntoo.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:24.44,0:57:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Yeah?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:25.23,0:57:28.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Like for me, like, I'm super fascinated\Nby the electromagnetic spectrum right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:28.51,0:57:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like the answer's in there, somewhere,\NI feel like, you know? {\i1}laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:57:31.68,0:57:35.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Alright, thanks!\NAngel: Awesome. Next question from here.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.13,0:57:41.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: Ok, thanks. I just.. I mean, the idea\Nof understanding what's happening
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.05,0:57:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the internet is quite important,\Nand I think we're a bit biased here
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.28,0:57:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we all have that visualization\Nof the internet, and
Dialogue: 0,0:57:50.47,0:57:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my question now is:\NYour visualization is of course very
Dialogue: 0,0:57:54.20,0:57:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very valid and very vivid, but\Nall those people that.. that do those
Dialogue: 0,0:57:59.57,0:58:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movements and they scroll facebook,\Nhow can we make this visualization,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.49,0:58:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your.. yours is quite complicated,\Nactually, and not as fast.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:08.83,0:58:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could we.. how could we manage to\Ngive.. give them some sort of visualization,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:13.92,0:58:17.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because what.. what they see is only\Nthe apps, and they don't really
Dialogue: 0,0:58:17.57,0:58:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get to think about it more.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.38,0:58:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Yah. I don't know the answer to that.\NI mean, it's.. for me, part of the reason
Dialogue: 0,0:58:23.96,0:58:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the infrastructure side is so interesting,\Nis that I think that there's something
Dialogue: 0,0:58:27.88,0:58:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,empowering about seeing what it is\Nand knowing how it works.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:31.78,0:58:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, when it seems less mystical and\Nmagical, like the cloud, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.62,0:58:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this terrible metaphor that we all hate,\Nand I think once.. even when I'm explaining
Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.88,0:58:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my work to non-technical people,\Nthe conversations I get into are actually
Dialogue: 0,0:58:43.51,0:58:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of interesting, 'cause they're interested\Nin knowing that too, 'cause people
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.05,0:58:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't really talk about it.\NThe media doesn't talk about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.51,0:58:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The companies that are trying to sell\Nthem services don't talk that way
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.04,0:58:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause it doesn't benefit them, right,\Nit's like... Apple, when your phone fills
Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.19,0:58:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.35,0:58:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they just want you to click here to get\Nmore cloud storage space, and
Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.07,0:59:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't want you to know how to\Nplug in a cable and get it off.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.63,0:59:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I think it's.. the question that\Nyou're asking is one that I'm asking myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.71,0:59:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, how do you communicate some of these\Nideas to people that are..
Dialogue: 0,0:59:09.58,0:59:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I'm interested in both sides,\NI'm interested in people that are
Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.87,0:59:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technically adapt, having interesting ideas\Nand conversations around this,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.05,0:59:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then, how do you also communicate\Nto people that this is a new conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:59:19.20,0:59:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:21.76,0:59:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know the answer to that,\Nthat's what I'm trying to kind of wrestle
Dialogue: 0,0:59:24.32,0:59:24.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with
Dialogue: 0,0:59:24.41,0:59:25.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:25.23,0:59:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I have.. I recently did a show in Florida\Nat a university, and the docents there,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:32.16,0:59:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the people that introduce people\Nto the work, were all like senior citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:59:35.01,0:59:38.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were volunteering time to the museum,\Nand they were one of the most engaged
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.61,0:59:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group of people I've ever had surrounding\Nmy work, 'cause they.. they knew..
Dialogue: 0,0:59:43.04,0:59:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not like they never heard of this stuff\Nbefore, but they had a relationship with
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.38,0:59:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology, but they were more willing\Nto ask questions about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:49.85,0:59:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like they weren't.. they didn't.. they didn't\Ncare if it sounded stupid,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.67,0:59:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were asking all those really\Ninteresting questions, and
Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.22,0:59:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeing that happen to a community\Nof people who were maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:59:58.84,1:00:03.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a further step removed from technology\Nthan I even am, that..
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.45,1:00:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not that it was successful, but\Nit felt to me that.. that they could
Dialogue: 0,1:00:05.96,1:00:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand and have a relationship\Nto it as art pieces, meant that there
Dialogue: 0,1:00:09.93,1:00:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was something there that was consumable\Nby people that weren't.. aren't in this room,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.20,1:00:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.06,1:00:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: Alright, thank you.\NAs time is almost up, guy in orange,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:18.81,1:00:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you got the honour of the last question.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:21.59,1:00:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: With your browser cache thing,\NI did something similar with my computer.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:26.60,1:00:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote a little script that runs in the\Nbackground and makes a screenshot
Dialogue: 0,1:00:30.65,1:00:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every.. random seconds,\NEvan: Ok.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:32.71,1:00:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Q: And I had hoped about.. forgetting\Nabout it, but actually the...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:36.69,1:00:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the counterpart happened, that I checked\Nthe screenshots for every moment
Dialogue: 0,1:00:44.67,1:00:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't have anything to do.\NAnd my behaviour was extremely
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.62,1:00:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,affected by it. Was.. did you have the\Nsame feeling about your browser cache?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.33,1:00:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Yeah.\NQ: Ehm, work?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:53.00,1:00:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evan: Maybe later we can trade notes,\NI'd like to see your work.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.76,1:01:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly, like one of the main things\Nabout that piece was like, it's like
Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.02,1:01:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living with a security camera, right,\Nand you always know it's there,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:03.02,1:01:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, I've gotten better and better about\Nforgetting, but I still know it's there,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:07.69,1:01:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still think about it, and I tried to do\Nportraits of other people, like,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:11.05,1:01:15.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,friends, like who else you're gonna ask\Nto give your internet cache browsing data
Dialogue: 0,1:01:15.38,1:01:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:15.83,1:01:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right?\NAnd it's..I recognized it was like a really
Dialogue: 0,1:01:18.18,1:01:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,invasive question to ask people,\Nyou know?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.54,1:01:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're really asking people.. I mean,\Nusually the cache people give me
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.49,1:01:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was making portraits of other people,\NI would tell them and then they would surf
Dialogue: 0,1:01:27.44,1:01:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and give it to me.\NLike, to just tell them, give me the cache
Dialogue: 0,1:01:30.07,1:01:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that
Dialogue: 0,1:01:30.26,1:01:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you didn't know I was gonna.. you didn't know\NI was monitoring, is like a really
Dialogue: 0,1:01:33.41,1:01:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,invasive question to ask.\NBut yeah, it's like essentially learning to
Dialogue: 0,1:01:36.05,1:01:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,live with a security camera.\NBut that's meant to be kind of built into
Dialogue: 0,1:01:39.86,1:01:43.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the piece, too, 'cause maybe, getting\Nback to the last question, like,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:43.17,1:01:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the reactions I get from\Nwhen people see that work in the gallery is
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.32,1:01:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like.. they're like, oh wow, that's a really..\Nmaybe giving is the wrong word, but
Dialogue: 0,1:01:51.11,1:01:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a lot of.. it's a lot of.. you're sharing\Na lot, right, is the common reaction
Dialogue: 0,1:01:55.04,1:01:56.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get from people.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.40,1:02:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And.. but part of the idea is then..\Nwe're all kind of sharing this
Dialogue: 0,1:02:00.24,1:02:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in different ways, right,\Nthis print, just because I put it in the gallery
Dialogue: 0,1:02:03.00,1:02:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't mean there's any more or less\Neyeballs on that set of data
Dialogue: 0,1:02:05.78,1:02:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than your data, or your friend's data.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:08.94,1:02:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But yeah, of course, when you know\Nthe camera is there, it definitely
Dialogue: 0,1:02:12.55,1:02:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,affects behaviour.
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