0:00:01.006,0:00:03.332 Earlier in the show, I told you [br]about a militant action 0:00:03.332,0:00:06.957 in which a branch of the RBC [br](|Royal Bank of Canada) went kaboom. 0:00:06.957,0:00:11.141 Predictably, any time brave peeps [br]try to take shit to the next level, 0:00:11.141,0:00:14.849 so-called radicals bring out the same [br]old tired arguments. 0:00:14.849,0:00:17.489 "The blowback from this action [br]will make it harder to organize." 0:00:17.489,0:00:20.142 "This action takes the movement [br]back 20 years" 0:00:20.142,0:00:21.701 "These people are irresponsible..." 0:00:21.701,0:00:23.436 Blah blah motherfuckin' blah. 0:00:23.436,0:00:24.506 Seriously. 0:00:24.506,0:00:27.613 These folks act like prisoners in a penitentiary 0:00:27.613,0:00:31.226 who suck up to the guards to get special privileges, 0:00:31.226,0:00:34.420 while snitching on those trying to start a slave revolt. 0:00:34.420,0:00:38.835 If they had it their way, these motherfuckers [br]would have us organizing marches and die-ins 0:00:38.835,0:00:41.085 til the end of the fucking world. 0:00:41.085,0:00:49.246 "According to my source, the end of the world [br]will be on February 14, in the year 2016" 0:00:49.246,0:00:51.829 "Valentine's Day. 0:00:51.829,0:00:53.005 Bummer." 0:00:53.005,0:00:55.802 To help us unravel why this annoyance keeps happening, 0:00:55.802,0:01:00.581 and since we have less than 4 years to go til [br]the whole fuckin' thing goes to shit, 0:01:00.581,0:01:05.668 I bring you Peter Gelderloos, author of [br]"How Nonviolence Protects the State". 0:01:05.668,0:01:07.815 Hey Pete, how the fuck are you? 0:01:07.815,0:01:09.648 [PG] Um, doin' pretty good today. 0:01:09.648,0:01:14.430 [SubMedia} So Peter, how the fuck [br]does nonviolence protect the state? 0:01:14.430,0:01:16.034 [PG] Basically the idea is that... 0:01:16.034,0:01:17.807 well especially in north america... 0:01:17.807,0:01:24.584 pacifists and non-violence advocates have had [br]a very defining role, and even a censoring role 0:01:24.584,0:01:30.509 in determining what other people's participation [br]can be in a whole range of social struggles, 0:01:30.509,0:01:34.514 and that the way that they have affected social struggles 0:01:34.514,0:01:39.090 has been, has made it very much easier for the state [br]to control those social struggles. 0:01:39.090,0:01:44.177 That non-violence plays a function [br]of recuperating social struggles, 0:01:44.177,0:01:46.176 of taking out their teeth, 0:01:46.176,0:01:47.715 of making them harmless, 0:01:47.715,0:01:52.764 so that they can just exist in this, in this sort of, um 0:01:52.764,0:01:55.235 cesspool of democratic plurality 0:01:55.235,0:01:57.790 in which everything is ok, 0:01:57.790,0:02:00.816 nothing can really be challenged or changed, 0:02:00.816,0:02:04.956 and ideas, opinions can be expressed uh, infintely, 0:02:04.956,0:02:06.768 without ever having any real impact, 0:02:06.768,0:02:09.622 without really translating into action. 0:02:10.344,0:02:13.787 Um, a lot of times, people will justify non-violence 0:02:13.787,0:02:19.134 making the very common sense, very simple [br]and ultimately false argument 0:02:19.134,0:02:23.279 that violence is the government's strongsuit, 0:02:23.279,0:02:28.127 and it makes no sense to fight the violence of the [br]government with violence of our own. 0:02:28.127,0:02:31.539 And what they're doing is conflating [br]very very different activities, 0:02:31.539,0:02:37.014 they're suggesting that somehow [br]defending yourself against police violence 0:02:37.014,0:02:39.763 or destroying commodities, 0:02:39.763,0:02:42.098 or taking over property, 0:02:42.098,0:02:43.770 fighting to free prisoners, 0:02:43.770,0:02:46.276 Indigenous people fighting to take over stolen land, 0:02:46.276,0:02:47.849 uh, things of this nature, 0:02:47.849,0:02:53.663 somehow has any similarities with [br]governments carpetbombing villages, 0:02:53.663,0:02:55.367 or using landmines, 0:02:55.367,0:02:56.704 or police torturing people, 0:02:56.704,0:02:58.142 or putting someone in prison, 0:02:58.142,0:03:04.904 that just because by some linguistic coincidence, [br]these difference things can be described as violence, 0:03:04.904,0:03:09.414 that somehow there's not only similarities [br]between them, but that they're the same thing, 0:03:09.414,0:03:11.355 and that one is going to reproduce the other. 0:03:11.355,0:03:13.092 When in fact, by fighting back, 0:03:13.092,0:03:17.439 people actually raise the stakes of repression [br]and oppression for the state, 0:03:17.439,0:03:21.013 and actually make real short term differences, 0:03:21.013,0:03:27.576 and I think also have a greater potentiality of [br]ultimately destroying the state and capitalism, 0:03:27.576,0:03:29.949 and helping us create those worlds that we want. 0:03:30.103,0:03:33.548 [SM] Why is militant resistance celebrated [br]throughout history? 0:03:33.548,0:03:35.922 Like for instance the American Revolution, 0:03:35.922,0:03:39.308 but when it happens in the present tense [br]it's discouraged? 0:03:39.308,0:03:44.815 [PG] I think it's because the left, [br]to a large extent subconsciously 0:03:44.815,0:03:48.843 has as its primary role to make resistance harmless. 0:03:49.551,0:03:55.275 States have recognized that resistance [br]will never disappear, 0:03:55.275,0:03:56.979 that struggles will never disappear, 0:03:56.979,0:04:01.472 and in the past they tried suppressing struggles [br]the first time that they showed their heads, 0:04:01.472,0:04:02.923 that there was any signs of them, 0:04:02.923,0:04:04.144 and that proved ineffective, 0:04:04.144,0:04:06.608 so nowadays the ways that states rule 0:04:06.608,0:04:10.724 is by accepting the inevitability [br]of conflict and resistance, 0:04:10.724,0:04:13.228 and just trying to manage it permanently. 0:04:13.228,0:04:17.368 And the best way to manage it [br]is to also have people in the resistance 0:04:17.368,0:04:19.269 who are managing it for you. 0:04:19.269,0:04:21.673 And that's really the role that non-violence plays, 0:04:21.673,0:04:25.370 and it's really encouraged, um, [br]by the media, 0:04:25.370,0:04:29.071 by various dominant political discourses, 0:04:29.071,0:04:32.215 that the state is allowed to use violence, 0:04:32.215,0:04:35.702 but people who are rebelling, 0:04:35.702,0:04:36.728 people who are angry, 0:04:36.728,0:04:39.573 people who are trying to um attack the system, 0:04:39.573,0:04:45.929 are aggressively isolated, slandered, [br]badmouthed, punished, 0:04:45.929,0:04:48.728 if they ever use violent tactics. 0:04:48.728,0:04:52.058 [REPORTER]* From the burned out shell of [br]an Ottawa bank in a quiet family neighbourhood 0:04:52.098,0:04:57.518 come loud cries of condemnation against the [br]self proclaimed anarchists who blew it up. 0:04:57.518,0:05:04.278 If blowing up this bank is advanced notice or a way [br]to boost the ranks of a murky anti-globalization movement, 0:05:04.278,0:05:05.968 it may have backfired. 0:05:05.968,0:05:08.678 [ Michel Juneau-Katsuya, "Security Expert" ] [br]There's been a wave of criticism 0:05:08.678,0:05:12.368 coming even from other special interest group. 0:05:12.368,0:05:14.718 [ REPORTER ] On the same website other activists 0:05:14.718,0:05:21.758 call the fire bombers everything from idiots to [br]domestic terrorists who crossed the line, too radical. 0:05:21.758,0:05:25.448 [Tom Quigley, Canadian Centre for Intelligence and [br]Security Studies] The mass of protesters in Canada [br]don't support violent activity to start with, 0:05:25.448,0:05:30.128 but there will be a minority that sees this as an inspir-[br]ational message in order to carry out further violent acts. 0:05:30.128,0:05:33.938 And so, in this way, the state and the media train - 0:05:33.938,0:05:37.768 especially more professionally-minded activists [br]within the resistance -- 0:05:37.768,0:05:45.608 to enforce this code of non-violence so that they [br]never incur that loss in popularity or that bad press. 0:05:46.004,0:05:49.814 And this creates a self-policing function that... 0:05:49.874,0:05:53.754 and people who are sort of politicians of the movement [br]are more succeptible to it 0:05:53.754,0:05:56.674 because they're thinking often in terms [br]of their own careers. 0:05:56.674,0:06:00.604 [ Stimulator ] Give me some examples of how militant [br]actions have helped the motherfucking resistance. 0:06:00.604,0:06:03.604 [ Peter ] The revolutionary Anti Racist Action [br]in the Netherlands... 0:06:03.604,0:06:10.754 so we're talking about a very bourgeois [br]and democratic society, a wealthy society, 0:06:10.754,0:06:16.694 and also, this was um, this was a group [br]that was active in the 80's, 0:06:16.694,0:06:20.984 so relatively recently, the 80's [br]and the beginning of the 90's- 0:06:20.984,0:06:27.264 and they participated in a broader movement against Shell Oil company 0:06:27.612,0:06:31.612 specifically demanding divestment from South Africa. 0:06:32.080,0:06:36.080 So this is part of the larger anti-capitalist struggles [br]and anti-racist struggles 0:06:36.109,0:06:41.659 that had along their path certain goals [br]that they wanted to achieve, 0:06:42.697,0:06:45.497 certain things that they were fighting for [br]and more immediately 0:06:45.498,0:06:50.068 and so this group, Revolutionary Anti-Racist Action, 0:06:50.068,0:06:54.506 actually carried out a number of bombings [br]and sabotage campaigns against Shell, 0:06:54.506,0:07:01.876 and were successful in winning uh... that divestment, [br]in forcing Shell to pull out of South Africa 0:07:01.902,0:07:05.282 by causing them such immense amounts of damage, 0:07:05.282,0:07:07.982 also in the context of many other tactics, 0:07:07.982,0:07:15.292 including informational campaigns and boycotts [br]and protests and all these other things, 0:07:15.292,0:07:18.292 working together, had a very strong effect. 0:07:18.292,0:07:25.222 [Stimulator] Any time someone brings up the idea of [br]doing some gangsta shit, these punk asses bring up Gandhi. 0:07:25.222,0:07:26.152 What the fuck? 0:07:26.152,0:07:29.822 [ Peter ] Advocates of non-violence [br]they frequently say that non-violence works, 0:07:29.822,0:07:36.562 and the principal examples they use of that are [br]Gandhi in India and Martin Luther King in the U.S. 0:07:37.108,0:07:43.858 The problem with that is that this represents a great, [br]this constitutes a really great historical whitewashing. 0:07:44.064,0:07:48.064 That in fact the resistance in India [br]was incredibly diverse, 0:07:48.350,0:07:50.729 and Gandhi was a very important figure [br]within that resistance, 0:07:50.729,0:07:54.059 but the resistance was by no means [br]pacifist in its entirety, 0:07:54.059,0:07:58.059 that there were a number of armed guerrilla groups, [br]a number of militant struggles, 0:07:58.059,0:08:02.529 very important riots and other strong clashes, 0:08:02.529,0:08:05.409 which were a part of the struggle [br]for Indian independence. 0:08:05.409,0:08:12.549 So on the one hand Gandhi basically got negotiating [br]power from the fact that there were other... 0:08:12.549,0:08:16.439 other elements in the struggle which were [br]even more threatening to British dominance. 0:08:16.439,0:08:21.379 So the British specifically chose [br]to dialogue with Gandhi 0:08:21.536,0:08:26.966 because he was perhaps for them the least [br]threatening of the important elements of resistance. 0:08:26.966,0:08:32.476 And if those other elements had resisted, had not [br]existed, if those other elements had not existed, 0:08:32.476,0:08:34.476 they simply could have ignored Gandhi. 0:08:34.476,0:08:35.836 [ Stimulator ] Thanks Peter. 0:08:35.836,0:08:39.816 And that about does it for this edition of It's The End Of [br]The World As We Know It And I Feel Fine, 0:08:39.816,0:08:44.993 A triple cheese whoopwhoop w/bacon to the following slaves [br]for keeping this pulpit of vulgarity operational: 0:08:44.993,0:09:00.323 [SPELLING?] Gordon, Audre, Britain, Marine, Johal, Michael, Steven, Vincent, Secuda, Edwin, Jim, Peter, Michael, Rodney, Matthew, Dan, Bella, Carlos, Anastasios, Ryan, and Rhea... 0:09:00.565,0:09:08.070 I'd also like to let you all know that I have uploaded [br]a new piece of my upcoming film "End Civ" 0:09:08.070,0:09:13.090 for links to militant actions or to comment [br]on this show, just visit my fucking website 0:09:14.949,0:09:18.089 Now go out there and smash pacifism. 0:09:23.856,0:09:27.926 remember kids, you can ___ [br]high quality video of this show at: