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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.86,0:00:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald [DE]: Ja, einen wunderschönen guten\NTag. Herzlich willkommen zu Tag 4 auf der
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.98,0:00:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,XHain Bühne. Unserem letzten Live Talk\Nhier. Der Talk wird in Englisch sein.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.08,0:00:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darum wechsele ich jetzt auch mal auf\NEnglisch.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.53,0:00:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald [EN]: So. Good afternoon,\Neverybody. Welcome to day 4 of the remote
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.50,0:00:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chasos experience. Our last live talk here\Non our XHain stage, which is as was the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.77,0:00:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about self-driving cars yesterday, a\Nproduction we do for the Munich channel. I
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.57,0:00:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of forgot to mention that yesterday.\NSorry. Thank you Munich for choosing nice
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.06,0:00:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talks and we are happy to produce them.\NAnd yeah, so today our guest is Dr. Kira
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.91,0:01:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vinke. She is from the Potsdam Institute\Nfor Climate Impact Research and she is
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.57,0:01:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to tell us a little bit about Corona\Nand the climate crisis. And is going to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.33,0:01:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compare those emergencies. And yeah,\Nwithout further ado, the stage is yours.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.05,0:01:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kira: Thanks, so much, Felix. And it's a\Npleasure to be here and talk to you today
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.61,0:01:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the parallels of the Corona pandemic\Nand the climate crisis. This talk builds
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.00,0:01:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upon a research paper that we released\Nover the summer, and it will follow its
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.78,0:01:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,structure more or less. At the end we'll\Nhave time for discussion. So let me just
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.47,0:01:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start by giving you a quick run through\Nwhat I will go through. We structured our
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.27,0:01:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk into several sections called\Ndiagnosis, prognosis, therapy,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.14,0:01:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rehabilitation, and of course, the\Nconclusion. And on the right hand side,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.72,0:01:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see the paper. So during the\NCovid-19 pandemic, institutional deficits
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.84,0:02:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surfaced, one could see there was a lack\Nof preparedness. Risks that could have
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.00,0:02:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been averted were not. And there are\Nsignificant parallels between this global
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.88,0:02:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health emergency and the climate\Nemergency, which have become apparent over
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.17,0:02:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the past years. And the questions that\Narose were, how can global society manage
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.24,0:02:24.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the shared risks and avert emergencies and\Nwhat can we learn for emergency prevention
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.21,0:02:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and management? So what is an emergency?\NThis is the first thing we started out
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.99,0:02:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with. And we rely upon a paper that was\Npublished before this on on the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.73,0:02:39.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emergency. And here already the parallels\Nunfold. It is called the emergency
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.63,0:02:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,formula, and it basically defines\Nemergency as risk multiplied by urgency.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.02,0:02:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what is risk? Risk is the probability\Ntimes the damage and the urgency is the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.45,0:02:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reaction time over the intervention time.\NSo here you can see a picture of what is
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.99,0:03:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed to be the Titanic and the\Niceberg. And this is exactly the situation
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.64,0:03:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that provides a metaphor for what an\Nemergency is. As I said before, emergency
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.85,0:03:20.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is identified by risk times urgency, which\Nis the probability times damage for
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.78,0:03:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,multiplied by reaction time over\Nintervention time. And I will go more into
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.79,0:03:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,detail of what this means in terms of the\Nclimate crisis and the Corona crisis.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.87,0:03:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, what is important to realize\Nthat, is that if reaction time and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.22,0:03:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intervention time converge, so the time to\Navoid damages and the time that is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.04,0:03:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available to do so, we have lost control.\NSo it's very important to to avoid this
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.55,0:03:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will go structure the talk with\Nthis emergency formula. So let's first
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.84,0:04:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at the diagnosis, which is providing\Nscientific understanding. If we do a risk
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.63,0:04:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assessment of the SARS-CoV-2 and climate\Nchange. There are several factors that you
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.38,0:04:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to look at. For example, in the case\Nof Covid-19, the contagiousness, the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.95,0:04:23.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,duration of infections, the transmission\Npathways, the mortality, which groups are
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.27,0:04:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more at risk and why? What are the options\Navailable for therapy? This, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.72,0:04:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changed throughout the duration of the\Npandemic. How is immunity structured? Does
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.47,0:04:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it, are you immune after the infection, so\Non, so forth. In the case of climate
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.38,0:04:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change, of course, one very important\Nvariable are greenhouse gas emissions and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.99,0:04:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the concentration of greenhouse gases in\Nthe atmosphere, but also how the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.37,0:04:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system reacts to it. So what is the\Nclimate sensitivity here? Then temperature
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.37,0:05:00.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rise, the resulting climate impacts, sea\Nlevel rise, extreme events such as
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.10,0:05:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tropical cyclones, floods and droughts, et\Ncetera, and also our adaptive capacity,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.88,0:05:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how how we are able to respond and adapt\Nto these different changes. So this risk
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.99,0:05:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assessment, this diagnosis is the basis\Nfor all further steps that we're looking
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.37,0:05:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at. One example here, and that became\Nquite clear early on in the Covid-19
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.45,0:05:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemic is the Case Fatality Rate of\NCovid-19. This is basically, this graph is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.79,0:05:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically showing you that the older the\Nage groups are, the higher the mortality
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.83,0:05:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rate is. So this means that elderly people\Nare much more likely to develop severe
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.66,0:05:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,symptoms and are also much more likely to\Ndie from those symptoms than younger
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.08,0:06:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people. In, in the case of climate change,\Nthe projections are also quite clear. Here
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.33,0:06:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see two different graphs on\Nclimate change projections. On the left
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.95,0:06:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hand side, you can see how greenhouse gas\Nemissions would drive temperature change
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.86,0:06:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over time. So you can see the change until\N2100. And you can see that it strongly
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.27,0:06:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depends on the emissions pathway we take.\NSo the blue, the blue areas that you see
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.32,0:06:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here is the pathway that would be in line\Nwith the Paris Agreement that would
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.33,0:06:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,require rapid emissions reductions. And\Nthe red pathway is what would happen if we
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.20,0:06:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not stop growing the emissions and\Nwould lead us to what we call a business
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.78,0:06:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as usual scenario, which could lead to 4\Ndegrees plus by the end of the century. On
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.07,0:07:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right hand side, you see the so-called\NBurning Ember graphic also from the IPCC,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.60,0:07:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can see the different levels of\Nrisks associated with different
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.41,0:07:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,temperature levels on the right hand side.\NSo, for example, unique and threatened
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.35,0:07:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systems such as coral reef systems are\Nalready under pressure right now as we are
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.68,0:07:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around above 1° Celsius, above industrial\Nlevels of average temperature. So when you
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.40,0:07:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at pandemics, when you look at\Nclimate change, in the case of Germany,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.26,0:07:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these threats to global security are\Nalready mentioned in certain documents. So
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.41,0:07:42.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can see it here and the guidelines on\NCivilian Crisis Prevention and also in the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.39,0:07:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whitebook of the German military, the\NGerman Bundeswehr. I posted 2 quotes for
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.22,0:07:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you here. For example, health risks can\Nhave destabilizing effects on whole
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.49,0:07:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regions and can undo long standing\Ndevelopment gains. So these aspects are
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.40,0:08:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentioned, climate impacts and pandemics\Nare mentioned as challenges for German
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.54,0:08:13.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security, but there's no concrete strategy\Nof what to do with this risk. So looking
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.57,0:08:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the next step, the prognosis, we can\Nsee here, how we define urgency again. So
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.28,0:08:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,urgency is a reaction time over\Nintervention time and intervention time is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.98,0:08:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a time span from the point that a risk\Nidentified to the point of impact.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.79,0:08:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reaction time is a time span needed to\Nchange course and avoid impact. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.96,0:08:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reaction time depends both on hard\Nfactors. So what type of infrastructure
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.28,0:08:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have or what type of technology you\Nhave? And also on soft factors such as
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.38,0:08:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information networks, political leadership\Nand willingness to act. So it's not only,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.74,0:08:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only the system that defines how we are\Nable to react, but also the choices by
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.84,0:09:04.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society and political leaders. So again,\Nurgent action is required if the risk of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.30,0:09:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,damage is high and the reaction time and\Nintervention time converge. So we know
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.33,0:09:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that control is lost if the reaction time\Nis longer than the intervention time
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.47,0:09:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available. Then basically, the impacts\Ncannot be avoided any longer. When we look
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.15,0:09:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the urgency in the case of SARS-CoV-2\Nthe coronavirus that has caused the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.09,0:09:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemic over the past year, there are\Ncritical time points after which a certain
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.86,0:09:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,level of damage can no longer be avoided.\NAnd this critical time spans encompass,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.02,0:09:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, national outbreaks. So it\Ncould have been contained locally or, or
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.12,0:09:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to certain regions within one state. It\Ncould have been that a pandemic could have
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.46,0:10:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been avoided and just limited to an\Nendemic so that the virus would not have
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.05,0:10:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spread beyond China. And another critical\Ntime span is that the number of intensive
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.37,0:10:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,care patients is not larger than the\Nnumber of intensive care beds. And even
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.06,0:10:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,small delays in testing and tracing can\Nhave large and deadly consequences. So
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.40,0:10:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this means that even if you then invest in\Nadaptation, meaning you start buying
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.08,0:10:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intensive care units, ventilators, trained\Nstaff, etc., if you are already on this
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.57,0:10:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exponential curve, this will not suffice\Nto prevent the damage which you could have
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.51,0:10:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prevented if you had started to to act\Nearlier. And a similar situation on a much
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.13,0:10:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,larger scale we are facing with the\Nclimate crisis. We know for intervention
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.94,0:11:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time that at the current levels of CO2\Nemissions, the carbon budget, so the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.56,0:11:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of CO2 that we can still release\Ninto the atmosphere will be exceeded in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.98,0:11:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less than 8 years under the current\Nemissions pathway. And this would mean
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.60,0:11:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, as I showed earlier, some graphs\Nthat certain risks would materialize. For
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.68,0:11:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, tipping elements could occur in\Nthe Earth's system as early as 1.5
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.11,0:11:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,degrees. And this could mean that there's\Npotential points of no return after which
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.55,0:11:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these these risks and these changes can no\Nlonger be undone. The reaction time herein
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.69,0:11:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the decarbonization of the global\Neconomy. So if you imagine that we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.26,0:11:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to net zero emissions globally, this\Nrequires also time to do so. We cannot
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.63,0:11:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just simply switch from one day to another\Nand it's time to decarbonize energy
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.45,0:12:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system, to build new structures to, for\Nexample, change the way we practice
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.70,0:12:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agriculture, the way we construct\Nbuildings, etc. All of this requires
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.99,0:12:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain times until we have both the\Ntechnology available, but also the system
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.09,0:12:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure available to us so that we\Ncan transform all of this. And yeah, the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.94,0:12:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control is lost when the time left for\Nintervention to avoid harm is smaller than
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.97,0:12:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time needed for reaction. So this is\Nthe point at which the Titanic sunk.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.47,0:12:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then... even though the iceberg was\Nvisible relatively early on. There were
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.49,0:12:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only a few seconds in which the captain\Ncould have turned the ship and avoided the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.01,0:12:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impact. After that, it was no longer\Npossible and the fate was sealed,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.15,0:12:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically. So what you here sees is that\Ntipping points in the Earth's system can
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.03,0:13:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start as early as around 1.5°s for some\Nsystems. And the tipping elements are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.94,0:13:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connected potentially in somewhat of a\Ndomino effect, meaning that they can start
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.95,0:13:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,influencing each other when one system\Ntips it affects the tipping probability of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.37,0:13:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the others. So, for example, one element\Nhere is the Amazon rainforest. It can tip,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.13,0:13:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change it's its character from a tropical\Nrainforest to more of a savannah type of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.75,0:13:39.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forest when the temperatures rise above 4°\Nor when deforestation reaches a quarter of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.93,0:13:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the of the forest cover. So this is very\Nworrisome because right now deforestation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.72,0:13:53.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rates are very high and also warming is is\Nincreasing. So this tipping point is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.07,0:14:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approaching sooner than is comfortable for\Nour risk assessment. What is the role of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.20,0:14:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science in this prognosis? So what is\Ninteresting about the role of science and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.63,0:14:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here is that we learned in the Corona\Npandemic that science can help us to
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.05,0:14:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand risk before they arrive at our\Ndoorstep. So before we can see the effects
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.98,0:14:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these risks. So long before the impact\Noccurs, we can, through science, for
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.50,0:14:29.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example, through epidemiological models,\Nthrough climate models, anticipate the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.29,0:14:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,risk and therefore act very early on and\Nso to say, increase our perceived
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.74,0:14:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intervention time. So we need to assess\Nthe risk. What is the probability and what
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.82,0:14:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,type of damages could could occur and what\Nis the urgency? What is intervention time?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.71,0:14:48.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are critical point that we really\Nneed to avoid? And what is the reaction
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.82,0:14:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time when how can we still intervene? And\Nwe know for both Corona and the climate,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.41,0:15:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that cascading impacts could overwhelm our\Ncapacity. In the case of Corona, of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.21,0:15:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course, is mostly refers to our health\Nsystems capacity. And we know that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.60,0:15:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immediate action is required to avoid\Ndamages such as deaths. And what is the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.77,0:15:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therapy, our headline for the therapy is\Navoiding the unmanageable and managing the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.26,0:15:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unavoidable. So the unmanageable in this\Ncase is health system overload or collapse
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.32,0:15:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of extreme demand for intensive\Ncare. And in climate change, it would be
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.89,0:15:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than 2° global warming. And to avoid\Nreally this tipping cascade and potential
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.54,0:15:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ecosystem collapses that would follow.\NThis would require mitigation and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.45,0:15:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prevention of infections in the case of\NCovid and mitigation of greenhouse gas
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.92,0:15:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emissions in the case of climate change.\NThe unavoidable is in the case of Covid-19
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.15,0:15:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disease outbreaks and deaths from\Ninfections that have already occurred and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.40,0:16:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in climate change, warming and impacts\Nfrom already released greenhouse gas
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.74,0:16:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emissions, which we are already witnessing\Ntoday. And throughout this entire year, it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.46,0:16:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has become abundantly clear that wildfires\Nare destroying habitats of both humans and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.17,0:16:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,animals. And the unavoidable requires us\Nalso to invest into adaptation so that we
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.52,0:16:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can limit the experience of damages that\Nare occurring. Yeah, what can we learn
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.72,0:16:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the pandemic, it is that people can\Nand are willing to change their behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.54,0:16:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they perceive a crisis and that the sum\Nof many individual actions matter. So it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.64,0:16:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does matter if I the way I behave\Npersonally, it does matter. It can change
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.97,0:16:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the course of a global and national\Ncrisis. So this insight is very, very
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.08,0:16:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important for for both crises, actually.\NBut it also requires strategic and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.78,0:17:00.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coordinated action. So we need this\Ngovernment regulations in order to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.47,0:17:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coordinate our collective action that\Nrests on individual efforts. So these are
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.48,0:17:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all insights that are in that sense\Nencouraging in the sense that we are able
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.91,0:17:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cope and to overcome very complex\Ncrises. And when we look at how to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.95,0:17:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transition to carbon neutrality and how to\Nreach climate stability, we can look at
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.37,0:17:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two approaches. One is a bottom-up\Napproach, people changing their habits,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.50,0:17:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one is this coordinated top-down\Napproach where we redefine how we want to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.68,0:17:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,govern global commons. And one important\Ninsight is this solidarity that this is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.88,0:17:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on. For the climate crisis, it is\Nclear that we need to change the course of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.73,0:17:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global emissions here you can see the so-\Ncalled carbon staircase up on which a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.90,0:17:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paper was built that shows that there are\Nseveral steps that are required in the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.58,0:18:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,next decades in order to reach net zero\Nemissions by the middle of the century
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.09,0:18:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worldwide. And there are several low\Nhanging fruits that could be tackled very
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.16,0:18:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,early on. But for this, we need\Nrehabilitation, we need healing of body
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.06,0:18:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and soul across the generations, because\Nit is a really interesting situation that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.37,0:18:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Covid-19 pandemic, the elderly\Ngenerations are much more at risk than the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.12,0:18:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,younger generations. I remind you of the\Nslide that I had shown earlier where you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.99,0:18:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the case fatality rate going up as you\Nas the age increases. Whereas in the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.88,0:18:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate crisis, the younger generations\Nare the most affected because in the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.21,0:18:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,future, like the the heap of the mass of\Nclimate impacts. So it is important to to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.47,0:19:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unite behind the science and to have a\Nkind of constellation of actors that seeks
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.09,0:19:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect the weakest. And this has\Nworked to some degree at least, and in
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.51,0:19:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different constellations. In the case of\Nthe Covid-19 pandemic, the different
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.16,0:19:15.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actors who are less affected by the\Npandemic moved to protect the elderly
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.29,0:19:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generations. And in the case of the\Nclimate crisis, we need the same thing. We
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.44,0:19:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need a coalition of actors who is willing\Nto change course in order to protect the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.72,0:19:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youth. And this is the ethical dilemma, of\Ncourse, of weighing economic, cultural and
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.93,0:19:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,societal sacrifices against the direct\Nprotection of lives from the infection or
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.51,0:19:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against severe future climate risk\Nunfolding only in maybe decades, although
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.02,0:19:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can obviously see already very severe\Nclimate impacts emerge. So one key
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.68,0:19:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ingredient for this is intergenerational\Njustice. And we demand in this in this
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.54,0:20:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paper, so-called climate and Corona\Ncontract. Where young generations would
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.35,0:20:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pledge to protect the elderly and other at\Nrisk groups by adhering to infection
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.61,0:20:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protection measures. As has been the case\Nover the past year. Most young people have
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.61,0:20:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adhered to to the infection protection\Nmeasures, although they themselves were
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.65,0:20:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not at high risk. And at the same time,\Nolder generations would uphold and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.30,0:20:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strengthen commitments on climate\Nprotection, such as the Paris Agreement,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.45,0:20:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as the European Green Deal to protect\Nthe future of the youth. At the end, I
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.17,0:20:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would like to remind you that already all\Nfuture crises will happen against the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.56,0:20:47.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,background, against, of the climate\Ncrisis. So we have seen, for example, in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.03,0:20:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the case of the Corona pandemic, that\Nisland nations like Vanuatu had to battle
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.55,0:20:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on two fronts, basically trying to uphold\Ninfection protection measures while also
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.87,0:21:03.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being extremely affected by tropical\Ncyclones. And in other cases, this was
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.58,0:21:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also the case like with droughts, with\Nfloods, with heat waves. It's very
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.99,0:21:12.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difficult to address multiple crises,\Nwhich is why we need to address the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.59,0:21:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate crisis urgently. The conclusion\Nhere is it's time to act and the different
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.89,0:21:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,variables of the emergency formula can be\Ninfluenced by mitigation, which lowers the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.10,0:21:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probability for damage to occur at the\Nbeginning. Adaptation, limiting the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.46,0:21:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience of adverse effects of damages.\NGovernance to be able to efficiently use
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.56,0:21:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our reaction, time. And science, which can\Nincrease the human perception of the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.95,0:21:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remaining intervention time. So based on\Nthis going back through, to our emergency
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.14,0:21:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,formula, we have built a kind of\Ncontingency plan because we know some
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.94,0:22:00.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,damages can no longer be avoided, both for\Nclimate change and the Corona pandemic.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.39,0:22:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there are certain things that we can\Ndo to limit the damages and limit the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.16,0:22:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience of the damages. With this, I\Nlook forward to our discussion and I close
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.94,0:22:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the talk. Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.86,0:22:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: There are already some questions in the\Npad. If the audience wants to add more
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.23,0:22:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions, now it's the time for that. The\N1. question is, what do we know about
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.22,0:22:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, groups spreading misinformation to\Nmake climate change and the pandemic
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.85,0:22:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worse? Is there evidence for my impression\Nthat they are mostly the same for both
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.99,0:22:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,topics?\NK: Now, that's a very interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.13,0:22:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question. For the case of climate change.\NIt has been proven many a time that there
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.40,0:22:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are companies, especially fossil fuel\Ncompanies, other lobbyist groups, who are
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.15,0:22:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investing in spreading and the spread of\Nmisinformation, basically. So this is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.06,0:23:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often very well done. It's concealed\Nbehind very fancy looking graphics and for
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.05,0:23:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the layperson, very difficult to\Ndistinguish what is information provided
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.31,0:23:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by scientists and what is information\Nprovided by somebody who can make nice
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.27,0:23:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,graphs, basically. So this is this is a\Nvery crucial element why action has been
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.50,0:23:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delayed over decades. I mean, a lot of\Nthis knowledge about climate change was
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.71,0:23:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already available decades ago. We knew\Nabout the risk. Now we even know more
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.12,0:23:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the risks. Yet people are hesitant\Nto act. And the spread of misinformation
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.94,0:23:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Covid-19 pandemic also goes into\Nthe direction of science denial,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.66,0:23:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically. And I think it comes from the\Nsame sort of mindset sometimes, not from
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.39,0:23:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly the same sources. Exactly. But one\Nelement is, of course, the the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.68,0:24:00.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,availability or non availability of\Nreliable news formats. So in Germany, we
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.21,0:24:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have news formats that I trusted by the\Npublic that everybody can rely on in order
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.99,0:24:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to receive information. But this kind of\Npublicly funded news is not available in
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.31,0:24:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every country. And this has led to news\Nchannels being more or less on one
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.32,0:24:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political spectrum or the other. And it\Nhas led to the politicization of issues
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.82,0:24:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like climate change and the Covid-19\Npandemic, which is very problematic
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.20,0:24:38.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because. It's fine to have an opinion\Nabout which policies should be made. But
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.05,0:24:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the facts should be the same in our\Ndiscussion, even if we have different
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.02,0:24:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opinions about the policies and such. And\NI see here also a lot of danger in the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.38,0:24:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spread of misinformation over social media\Nnetworks from which a lot of people are
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.51,0:24:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now relying on for their news source. So\Nthis is also problematic because there's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.59,0:25:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no real fact checking going on there.\NH: Thank you for that answer. The 2.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.17,0:25:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question would be, given that our CO2\Nbudget will be used up within 8 years
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.21,0:25:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while mainstream politics reject the very\Nconcept of a CO2 budget and fossil lobby
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.55,0:25:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,groups seem to be as influential as ever.\NDo you think that we already crossed the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.58,0:25:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point of losing control?\NK: Um, I mean, it's it's difficult to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.00,0:25:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For once, there are still a lot that we\Ncan save by our actions. So I personally
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.34,0:25:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a lot of hope that the transformation\Nwill be more rapid than what from what we
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.76,0:25:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can foresee from this current standpoint.\NAnd there's still a lot that a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.14,0:25:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systems that are stable for a lot more\Ntime, a lot more emissions. So it's very
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.68,0:25:54.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important that we keep those safe.\NHowever, we have already lost a lot as
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.67,0:25:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well. So it's really, it really depends on\Nyour standpoint. So if you live on the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.16,0:26:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marshall Islands in the Central Pacific,\Nwhich are 2 meters above sea level. Yeah,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.22,0:26:08.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's it's we are at a very critical point.\NAnd also, if you're in Bangladesh, if your
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.79,0:26:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,child has died from a tropical cyclone,\Nthat would have normally not occurred in
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.44,0:26:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that strength, the point of no return has\Nbeen crossed for that child. Right? So
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.14,0:26:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's it's very it's very dependent on your\Nyour standpoint here in Germany. Here in
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.97,0:26:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe, we have the money to fortify our\Nhousing et cetera. We can we can adapt to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.84,0:26:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some degree of climate change, we are also\Nnot as exposed as other countries because
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.61,0:26:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our geography. But it's important to\Nemphasize that it's worth the fight to to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.63,0:26:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,limit emissions now. And I also see some\Npositive indications that it is now being
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.72,0:26:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taken more more seriously.\NH: Thank you, all the good things are 3.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.50,0:26:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a 3. question. Especially if I see the\Npicture in your slide there. Do you think
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.34,0:27:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Corona pandemic made the climate\Nchange ignorance worse in the last year?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.72,0:27:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that it was more in the background and\Npeople are thinking about like more
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.35,0:27:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,threatening problems because that's, they\Nhappen faster than climate change?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.60,0:27:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,K: I don't think so. I think it has still,\Nit has still been in the media. Still, I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.60,0:27:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able to talk here to you. There are still\Npeople who are interested in this. So I
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.99,0:27:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think it was not completely forgotten. But\Nof course, the urgency of the Corona
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.29,0:27:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pandemic demanded the attention of\Npolicymakers, etc.. So I it is my hope
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.34,0:27:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that through the experience of the adverse\Neffects also in industrialized countries
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.34,0:27:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this pandemic, we realized that we are\Nnot exempt in Germany or in Europe or in
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.57,0:28:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the United States or wherever from global\Nshocks. It matters to us if there's a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.48,0:28:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wildlife trade in China. We have to be\Nconcerned about, as should be the people
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.80,0:28:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Bangladesh should be concerned about\Ncoal mines and Brandenburg. So I think
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.93,0:28:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this recognition that we are connected and\Nwe can lose control even in modern
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.88,0:28:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,societies like in Italy, for example,\Ncapacities of the health system were
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.50,0:28:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overwhelmed. So even then, I think we have\Ncome to the realization that we are
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.14,0:28:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually fragile and we need to take risk\Nassessment seriously and not just rely on
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.47,0:28:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our good fortune.\NH: OK, thank you very much for the answer
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.77,0:28:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's another question. If we see\NCorona as the speedrun, can we learn
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.18,0:28:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something from our response to the\Npandemic, from our response to climate
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.52,0:28:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change?\NK: I didn't hear the 1. word.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.55,0:28:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,H: If we see Corona, as the speedrun. So\Nlike that was the fast to react to a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.58,0:29:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worldwide crisis. What can we learn from\Nour response to the pandemic for the fight
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.81,0:29:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against climate change?\NK: Yeah, yeah. The speedrun. Sorry I
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.81,0:29:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't catch it the first time. Yeah. I\Nthink it shows that if we intervene early
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.23,0:29:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough, we really have a chance to avoid\Nlater damages. So we really need to use
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.10,0:29:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this scientific means of risk and\Ndissipation in order to to avoid
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.24,0:29:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exponentially rising damages. So I think\Nthis is this is one very happy
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.83,0:29:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,realization. And the second is, and I\Nmentioned this in the talk, is that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.22,0:29:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything we do matters. It's not that we\Nare just helpless in this situation, but
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.89,0:29:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody can do something and does\Ncontribute to a larger thing. So in the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.45,0:29:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,case of Covid-19, it's whether I will have\Na party with 10 people or not, whether I
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.45,0:30:00.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will choose to meet several friends after\Nanother or not. In the case of climate
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.41,0:30:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change, it does matter if you are taking\Nthe flights, if you're voting for a Green
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.23,0:30:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Party or for for a party that doesn't take\Nanything seriously. So these individual
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.23,0:30:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decisions accumulate to something bigger\Nand they can change the course of a global
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.13,0:30:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and national crisis.\NH: OK, thank you very much, and I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.02,0:30:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see any more questions, so thank you for\Nyour talk and hope to see you soon.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.13,0:30:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,K: Thank you as well.
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