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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.30,0:00:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Music: Elliott Smith “2:45 AM”]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.10,0:00:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elliott Smith: Oh, definitely. Yeah, there's\Na bunch of Elvis Costello records that like...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.99,0:00:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was in high school, just made all the\Ndifference
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.61,0:00:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between feeling like a total freak and feeling\Nlike ... only a freak.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.07,0:00:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.66,0:00:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A freak among other freaks.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.40,0:00:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Music:Elliott Smith: "2:45 AM"]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.20,0:00:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: Tell me how your very distinctive,\Nsoft vocal style kind of emerged.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.18,0:00:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: I didn't like how I sounded\Nsinging in my band,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.22,0:00:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was hard to sing like how I wanted\Nto because
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.38,0:00:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,playing live I had to just be at the\Ntop of my lungs all the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.76,0:01:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it made me sound like I had a really bad\Ncold or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.12,0:01:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It sounds really hoarse and kind of macho and weird.\N[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.36,0:01:14.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I've been doing four-track songs by\Nmyself since I was like a teenager,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.06,0:01:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I'd sing in a way that I ... I just\Ndidn't think other people would like it,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.28,0:01:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I didn't play it for them but eventually\NI got over that, which I'm happy that I did,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.23,0:01:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's kind of a drag to be playing\Na kind of music
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.54,0:01:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you don't really like as much as another\Nkind.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.52,0:01:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> [Music]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.00,0:01:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: Obviously some people have\Ngiven you some sort of folk music tag
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.45,0:01:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just seems to me to be pretty off the\Nmark.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.42,0:01:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: Yeah, that really bothered me right at first,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.68,0:01:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I first started playing, people would\Nbe like, “Paul Simon.”
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.16,0:01:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd be like, “I don't feel like I'm anything\Nlike Paul Simon.”
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.86,0:01:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: And in some ways…
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.88,0:01:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: Thank you. Oh, iced tea.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.18,0:01:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Waitress: Do you want me to get you Cokes? They didn't have any.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.96,0:01:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: No, that's fine, iced tea\Nis great, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.48,0:02:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: How much of your writing about, let's not call them addicts,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.48,0:02:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's call them dependents.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.82,0:02:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much of that is based on subjective experience
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.81,0:02:08.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how much is just based on being an observer?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.63,0:02:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: I'm definitely in them, but on the other hand
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.67,0:02:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not like a diary or anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.78,0:02:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, yeah, it's good to call them dependents,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.24,0:02:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that was the point, as opposed to them being songs strictly about drugs or…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.86,0:02:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's lots of ways people can be dependent on another person, or drugs, or...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.22,0:02:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> [Music: Elliott Smith “BETWEEN THE BARS”]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.96,0:02:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: I think everybody has that...\NThose two irreconcilable ...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.84,0:02:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: Impulses.\N>> Elliott Smith: Constant…
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.68,0:02:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doing battle with themselves that way, every day, all the time and sometimes it sucks,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.24,0:02:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but other times it results in people making\Nsort of a dream comprehensible to someone else
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.90,0:02:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People are so… seem so chaotic internally,\Nbut being filtered through some form
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.74,0:03:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like making a record, sort of filters it down into something that can be understood.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.62,0:03:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to represent chaos, or like an absence of something.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.70,0:03:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's much easier to represent the presence of something or a situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.60,0:03:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People can be chaos but it's hard to fit it
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.20,0:03:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into some creative piece that you made.\NIt's hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.83,0:03:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> [Music: Elliott Smith “Either/Or”]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.16,0:03:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: Listening to Either/Or,\NI was kind of struck by how well it does manage
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.88,0:03:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to juggle sweetness and pain. Is it too easy to say
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.42,0:03:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these songs are kind of melancholy,\Nthere's a lot of sorrowful quality to Elliott Smith's music?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.02,0:03:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: Yeah, they don't make me sad or feel sorrowful to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.48,0:03:58.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but on the other hand I’m not… a lot of people are kind of depressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.46,0:04:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm happy some of the time, and some of the time I'm not.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.18,0:04:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But like when I see a movie, for example, that I really like, that moves me or whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.68,0:04:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s usually happy and sad at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.54,0:04:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, yeah, certain songs just feel a way that's hard\Nto put into words
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.12,0:04:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not happy and it's also not really\Nsad but I couldn't say what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.82,0:04:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> [Music]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.12,0:04:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: You lived in these very\Ndifferent parts of America.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.77,0:04:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dallas, Portland, Brooklyn, is a kind of interesting\Ntriangle, there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.94,0:04:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: Yeah, actually, I've been thinking about moving somewhere, out of the US, maybe,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.21,0:04:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to get out of here.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.10,0:04:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Barney Hoskyns: Whereabouts are you thinking of going?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.20,0:04:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,>> Elliott Smith: I don't know, I have no idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.92,0:04:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somewhere where people aren't so mad would be nice
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.42,0:04:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't know if there is anywhere\Nlike that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.76,0:05:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who knows?