1 00:00:14,010 --> 00:00:16,258 So I'm going to talk about trust. 2 00:00:16,258 --> 00:00:18,902 And I'm going to start by reminding you 3 00:00:18,902 --> 00:00:22,749 of the standard views that people have about trust. 4 00:00:22,749 --> 00:00:24,499 I think these are so commonplace 5 00:00:24,499 --> 00:00:26,857 they've become cliches of our society. 6 00:00:26,857 --> 00:00:28,876 And I think there are three. 7 00:00:28,876 --> 00:00:30,613 One's a claim: 8 00:00:30,613 --> 00:00:35,542 there's been a great decline in trust. Very widely believed. 9 00:00:35,756 --> 00:00:40,547 The second is an aim: we should have more trust. 10 00:00:40,547 --> 00:00:45,395 And the third is a task: we should rebuild trust. 11 00:00:46,332 --> 00:00:52,409 I think that the claim, the aim and the task are all misconceived. 12 00:00:52,409 --> 00:00:54,498 So what I'm going to try to tell you today 13 00:00:54,498 --> 00:00:58,896 is a different story about a claim, an aim and a task, 14 00:00:58,896 --> 00:01:03,713 which I think give one quite a lot better purchase on that matter. 15 00:01:03,713 --> 00:01:04,960 First the claim. 16 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,804 Why do people think trust has declined? 17 00:01:07,804 --> 00:01:11,545 And if I really think about it on the basis of my own evidence, 18 00:01:11,545 --> 00:01:13,782 I don't know the answer. 19 00:01:13,782 --> 00:01:19,097 I don't -- I'm inclined to think it may have declined in some activities 20 00:01:19,097 --> 00:01:22,843 or some institutions and it might have grown in others. 21 00:01:22,843 --> 00:01:24,562 I don't have an overview. 22 00:01:24,929 --> 00:01:28,884 But of course I can look at the opinion polls. 23 00:01:29,023 --> 00:01:31,376 And the opinion polls are supposedly 24 00:01:31,376 --> 00:01:34,912 the sourse of the belief that trust has declined. 25 00:01:35,604 --> 00:01:39,177 When you actually look at opinion polls across time, 26 00:01:39,177 --> 00:01:40,937 there is not much evidence for that. 27 00:01:41,029 --> 00:01:45,098 That's to say the people who were mistrusted 20 years ago 28 00:01:45,098 --> 00:01:49,467 principally journalists and politicians, are still mistrusted. 29 00:01:49,467 --> 00:01:52,962 And the people who were highly trusted 20 years ago 30 00:01:52,962 --> 00:01:56,432 are sill rather highly trusted: judges, nurses. 31 00:01:56,432 --> 00:01:58,757 The rest of us is in between. 32 00:01:58,757 --> 00:02:01,497 And by the way, the average person in the street 33 00:02:01,497 --> 00:02:03,819 is almost exactly midway. 34 00:02:03,819 --> 00:02:05,750 But is that good evidence? 35 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:10,031 What opinion polls record is of course opinions. 36 00:02:10,031 --> 00:02:11,375 What else can they record? 37 00:02:11,375 --> 00:02:13,138 So, they are looking at 38 00:02:13,138 --> 00:02:16,361 the generic attitudes that people report 39 00:02:16,361 --> 00:02:18,856 when you ask them certain questions. 40 00:02:18,856 --> 00:02:20,258 Do you trust politicians? 41 00:02:20,258 --> 00:02:22,657 Do you trust teachers? 42 00:02:22,657 --> 00:02:24,379 Now, if somebody said to you: 43 00:02:24,379 --> 00:02:26,096 "Do you trust greengrocers?" 44 00:02:26,096 --> 00:02:28,459 "Do you trust fishmongers?" 45 00:02:28,459 --> 00:02:31,038 "Do you trust elementary school teachers?" 46 00:02:31,038 --> 00:02:34,445 You would probably begin by saying: "To do what?" 47 00:02:34,445 --> 00:02:37,742 And that would be a perfectly sensible response. 48 00:02:37,742 --> 00:02:39,839 And you might say, 49 00:02:39,839 --> 00:02:42,876 when you understood the answer to that, 50 00:02:42,876 --> 00:02:46,343 "Well, I trust some of them, but not others." 51 00:02:46,343 --> 00:02:48,046 That's a perfectly rational thing. 52 00:02:48,046 --> 00:02:50,949 In short, in our real lives, 53 00:02:50,949 --> 00:02:55,177 we seek to place trust in a differenciated way. 54 00:02:55,177 --> 00:02:58,212 We don't make an assumption that the level of trust 55 00:02:58,212 --> 00:03:00,019 that we will have 56 00:03:00,019 --> 00:03:02,085 in every instance of a certain type 57 00:03:02,085 --> 00:03:05,658 of official office helder or type of person 58 00:03:05,658 --> 00:03:07,701 is going to be uniform. 59 00:03:07,855 --> 00:03:11,180 I might, for example, say that I certainly trust 60 00:03:11,180 --> 00:03:13,210 a certain elementary school teacher I know, 61 00:03:13,210 --> 00:03:16,345 to teach the reception class to read, 62 00:03:16,345 --> 00:03:19,874 but no way to drive the school mini bus. 63 00:03:19,874 --> 00:03:20,580 (Laughter) 64 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:23,320 I might after all know that she wasn't a good driver. 65 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,649 I might trust my most loquacious friend 66 00:03:26,649 --> 00:03:29,591 to keep a conversation going, 67 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:38,127 but perhaps not to keep a secret. 68 00:03:38,373 --> 00:03:39,744 Simple. 69 00:03:39,744 --> 00:03:44,178 So if we've got those evidence in our ordinary lives, 70 00:03:44,178 --> 00:03:46,888 in the way that trust is differenciated, 71 00:03:46,888 --> 00:03:50,062 why do we sort of drop all that intelligence 72 00:03:50,062 --> 00:03:53,403 when we think about trust more abstractly? 73 00:03:53,403 --> 00:03:57,962 I think the polls are very bad guides to the level of trust 74 00:03:57,962 --> 00:04:01,417 that actually exists, because they try to obliterate 75 00:04:01,417 --> 00:04:05,984 the good judgement that goes into placing trust. 76 00:04:06,122 --> 00:04:08,337 Secondly, what about the aim? 77 00:04:08,337 --> 00:04:11,128 The aim is to have more trust. 78 00:04:11,128 --> 00:04:13,962 Well, frankly, I think that's a stupid aim. 79 00:04:14,392 --> 00:04:16,337 It's not what I would aim at. 80 00:04:16,337 --> 00:04:19,728 I would aim to have more trust in the trustworthy, 81 00:04:19,728 --> 00:04:22,211 but not in the untrustworthy. 82 00:04:22,211 --> 00:04:22,990 (Laughter) 83 00:04:22,990 --> 00:04:28,461 In fact, I aim positively to try not to trust the untrustworthy. 84 00:04:28,461 --> 00:04:29,726 (Laughter) 85 00:04:29,726 --> 00:04:33,366 And I think of those people who, for example, 86 00:04:33,366 --> 00:04:37,964 placed their savings with the very aptly named Mr Madoff, 87 00:04:37,964 --> 00:04:39,343 who then made off with them, 88 00:04:39,343 --> 00:04:40,515 (Laughter) 89 00:04:40,515 --> 00:04:41,627 And I think of them, 90 00:04:41,627 --> 00:04:44,736 I think: "Well, yes, too much trust." 91 00:04:44,736 --> 00:04:48,548 More trust is not an intelligent aim in this life. 92 00:04:48,548 --> 00:04:55,004 Intelligently placed and intelligently refused trust is the proper aim. 93 00:04:55,004 --> 00:04:56,591 Well one once said that, 94 00:04:56,591 --> 00:04:59,864 one says: "Yeah, ok, that means that what matters 95 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:04,503 in the first place is not trust, but trustworthiness." 96 00:05:04,611 --> 00:05:09,171 It's judging how trustworthy people are in particular respects. 97 00:05:09,371 --> 00:05:12,599 And i think this judgement requires us to look at three things: 98 00:05:12,676 --> 00:05:15,158 Are they competent? 99 00:05:15,158 --> 00:05:16,506 Are they honest? 100 00:05:16,506 --> 00:05:17,951 Are they reliable? 101 00:05:17,951 --> 00:05:21,693 And if we find that a person is competent in the relevant matters, 102 00:05:21,693 --> 00:05:23,755 and reliable, and honest, 103 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:26,057 we'll have a pretty good reason to trust them, 104 00:05:26,057 --> 00:05:28,277 because they'll be trustworthy. 105 00:05:28,277 --> 00:05:32,035 But if, on the other hand, they are unreliable, we might not. 106 00:05:32,035 --> 00:05:34,298 I have friends who are competent and honest, 107 00:05:34,298 --> 00:05:36,554 but I would not trust them to post a letter, 108 00:05:36,554 --> 00:05:37,929 because they are forgetful. 109 00:05:37,929 --> 00:05:38,738 (Laughter) 110 00:05:38,738 --> 00:05:40,986 I have friends who are very confident 111 00:05:40,986 --> 00:05:43,218 they can do certain things, 112 00:05:43,218 --> 00:05:47,501 but I realise that they overestimate their own competence. 113 00:05:47,501 --> 00:05:50,415 I'm very glad to say I don't think I have many friends 114 00:05:50,415 --> 00:05:53,835 who are competent and reliable, but extremely dishonest. 115 00:05:53,835 --> 00:05:55,003 (Laughter) 116 00:05:55,003 --> 00:05:56,658 If so, I haven't yet spotted it. 117 00:05:56,658 --> 00:05:58,248 (Laughter) 118 00:05:58,433 --> 00:06:00,411 But that's what we are looking for, 119 00:06:00,411 --> 00:06:02,798 trustworthiness before trust. 120 00:06:02,874 --> 00:06:04,776 Trust is the response. 121 00:06:04,776 --> 00:06:07,045 Trustworthiness is what we have to judge. 122 00:06:07,045 --> 00:06:08,661 And, of course, it is difficult. 123 00:06:08,830 --> 00:06:11,698 Across the last few decades, we tried to construct 124 00:06:11,698 --> 00:06:15,256 systems of accountability for all sorts of institutions, 125 00:06:15,256 --> 00:06:17,737 and professionals, and officials, and so on, 126 00:06:17,737 --> 00:06:22,095 that we'll make it easier for us to judge their trustworthiness. 127 00:06:22,095 --> 00:06:25,349 A lot of these systems have the converse effect. 128 00:06:25,349 --> 00:06:27,389 They don't work as they are supposed to. 129 00:06:27,389 --> 00:06:31,129 I remember I was talking with a midwife, who said: 130 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:33,961 "Well, you see the problem is it takes longer to do 131 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:36,527 the paper work than to deliver the baby." 132 00:06:36,527 --> 00:06:37,539 (Laughter) 133 00:06:37,539 --> 00:06:41,659 And all over our public life or institutional life, 134 00:06:41,659 --> 00:06:44,961 we find that problem that the system of accountability, 135 00:06:44,961 --> 00:06:50,329 that is meant to secure trustworthiness and evidence of trustworthiness 136 00:06:50,329 --> 00:06:52,294 is actually doing the opposite. 137 00:06:52,294 --> 00:06:57,376 It is distracting people who have to do difficult tasks, like midwives 138 00:06:57,376 --> 00:07:00,045 from doing them, by requiring them 139 00:07:00,045 --> 00:07:02,181 to "tick the boxes", as we say. 140 00:07:02,181 --> 00:07:04,594 You can all give your own examples there. 141 00:07:04,886 --> 00:07:07,049 So, so much for the aim. 142 00:07:07,049 --> 00:07:09,626 The aim, I think, is more trustworthiness, 143 00:07:09,626 --> 00:07:13,577 and that's going to be different if we are trying to be trustworthy 144 00:07:13,577 --> 00:07:16,899 and communicate our trustworthiness to other people, 145 00:07:16,899 --> 00:07:20,338 and if we are trying to judge whether other people or office helders, 146 00:07:20,338 --> 00:07:22,712 or polititians are trustworthy. 147 00:07:22,712 --> 00:07:25,080 It's not easy, it is judgement, 148 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,259 and simple reaction, attitudes don't do 149 00:07:29,259 --> 00:07:31,852 don't do adequately here. 150 00:07:32,236 --> 00:07:35,494 Now, thirdly, the task. 151 00:07:35,755 --> 00:07:38,418 Calling the task rebuilding trust, 152 00:07:38,418 --> 00:07:41,093 I think, also gets things backwards. 153 00:07:41,093 --> 00:07:46,081 It suggests that you and I should rebuild trust. 154 00:07:46,081 --> 00:07:48,295 Well, we could do that for ourselves. 155 00:07:48,295 --> 00:07:50,814 We can rebuild a bit of trustworthiness, 156 00:07:50,814 --> 00:07:54,182 we can do it two people together, trying to improve trust. 157 00:07:54,182 --> 00:07:57,766 But trust, in the end, is distinctive, 158 00:07:57,766 --> 00:08:00,502 because it's given by other people. 159 00:08:00,502 --> 00:08:03,345 You can't rebuild what other people gave you. 160 00:08:03,345 --> 00:08:09,487 You have to give them the basis for giving you their trust. 161 00:08:09,487 --> 00:08:12,837 So you have to, I think, be trustworthy 162 00:08:12,837 --> 00:08:15,044 and that, of course, is because you can't fool 163 00:08:15,044 --> 00:08:18,261 all of the people all of the time. Usually. 164 00:08:18,261 --> 00:08:19,123 (Laughter) 165 00:08:19,123 --> 00:08:23,128 But you also have to provide usable evidence 166 00:08:23,128 --> 00:08:25,037 that you are trustworthy. 167 00:08:25,037 --> 00:08:26,521 How to do it? 168 00:08:26,521 --> 00:08:29,295 Well, everyday, all over the place, it's being done 169 00:08:29,295 --> 00:08:33,960 by ordinary people, by officials, by institutions quite effectively. 170 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,959 Let me give you a simple commercial example. 171 00:08:37,959 --> 00:08:39,959 The shop where I buy my socks 172 00:08:39,959 --> 00:08:42,251 says I may take them back. 173 00:08:42,251 --> 00:08:44,134 And they don't ask any questions, 174 00:08:44,134 --> 00:08:46,144 they take them back and give me the money 175 00:08:46,144 --> 00:08:48,710 or give me the pair of socks of the color I wanted. 176 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:49,898 That's super. 177 00:08:49,898 --> 00:08:52,161 I trust them, because they have made themselves 178 00:08:52,171 --> 00:08:54,096 vulnerable to me. 179 00:08:54,096 --> 00:08:56,038 There's a big lesson in that. 180 00:08:56,038 --> 00:08:59,037 If you make yourself vulnerable to the other party, 181 00:08:59,037 --> 00:09:01,589 then that is very good evidence 182 00:09:01,589 --> 00:09:02,899 that you are trustworthy, 183 00:09:02,899 --> 00:09:06,225 and you have confidence in what you are saying. 184 00:09:06,225 --> 00:09:08,433 So, in the end, I think what we are aiming for 185 00:09:08,433 --> 00:09:11,878 is not very difficult to discern. 186 00:09:11,878 --> 00:09:15,496 It is relationships in which people are trustworthy 187 00:09:15,496 --> 00:09:18,628 and can judge when and how 188 00:09:18,628 --> 00:09:21,204 the other person is trustworthy. 189 00:09:21,204 --> 00:09:24,490 So the moral of all this is 190 00:09:24,490 --> 00:09:28,172 we need to think much less about trust, 191 00:09:28,172 --> 00:09:31,211 let alone about attitudes of trust, 192 00:09:31,211 --> 00:09:35,306 detected or misdetected by opinion polls, 193 00:09:35,306 --> 00:09:37,496 much more about being trustworthy 194 00:09:37,496 --> 00:09:40,045 and how you give people adequate, 195 00:09:40,045 --> 00:09:44,575 useful and simple evidence that you are trustworthy. 196 00:09:44,575 --> 00:09:45,627 Thanks. 197 00:09:45,627 --> 00:09:47,544 (Applause)