1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,476 Well let me help you understand. 2 00:00:01,476 --> 00:00:04,210 You don't understand my faith like I do, alright, so, 3 00:00:04,210 --> 00:00:06,603 so give me, for a moment, the benefit of the doubt 4 00:00:06,603 --> 00:00:09,414 that having been a leader of my church, a bishop and a state president, 5 00:00:09,414 --> 00:00:12,496 I understand my church better than you do. - Right. 6 00:00:12,496 --> 00:00:15,797 - Alright, my church has very strong beliefs that Mormons 7 00:00:15,797 --> 00:00:19,138 should not participate in, encourage, in any way support abortion. 8 00:00:19,138 --> 00:00:24,119 - You could be excommunicated if you do, it says right there. That's what they say, I don't say it! [laughs] 9 00:00:24,119 --> 00:00:26,032 - Are you thinking I'm disagreeing with you? 10 00:00:26,032 --> 00:00:27,675 - No, I don't know but if it's stronger... 11 00:00:27,675 --> 00:00:29,367 - Are you disagreeing with me? 12 00:00:29,367 --> 00:00:33,665 Let me once again say, I understand my faith better than you do. 13 00:00:33,665 --> 00:00:34,803 - Right. 14 00:00:34,803 --> 00:00:35,955 - You don't believe that do you? 15 00:00:35,955 --> 00:00:37,875 - I'm not sure, you see, I... 16 00:00:37,875 --> 00:00:39,619 - Well, then it's hardly worth having a discussion with you. 17 00:00:39,619 --> 00:00:40,772 - Well no no, I'm... 18 00:00:40,772 --> 00:00:42,682 - Listen, let me... can I complete the point? 19 00:00:42,682 --> 00:00:47,146 - Well, the reason I said that, is because you also said in another forum, 20 00:00:47,146 --> 00:00:51,340 I think it was on Stephanopoulos, about the second coming of Christ. - Right. 21 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:53,860 - And you said it's gonna happen in Jerusalem. - And it is. 22 00:00:53,860 --> 00:00:56,031 - And your church says it's gonna happen in Missouri. - No it doesn't. 23 00:00:56,031 --> 00:00:59,868 - Oh, is that wrong? - Is what wrong, is what wrong? 24 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:05,227 The church says that Christ appears on the Mount of Olives and splits the Mount of Olives 25 00:01:05,227 --> 00:01:07,464 and appears in Jerusalem. That's what the church says. 26 00:01:07,464 --> 00:01:11,569 And then over a thousand years, the millennium, that the world is reigned in two places, 27 00:01:11,569 --> 00:01:13,777 Jerusalem and Missouri. That's what the church says. 28 00:01:13,777 --> 00:01:20,125 The second coming, the arrival of Jesus Christ, our church says is in Jerusalem. That's the church doctrine. 29 00:01:20,125 --> 00:01:24,262 - So Stephanopoulos mis-quoted your church, which is not surprising... 30 00:01:24,262 --> 00:01:25,809 - That's fine, that's fine. 31 00:01:25,809 --> 00:01:28,772 - ...but I was basing my question on that premise. 32 00:01:28,772 --> 00:01:32,584 - Cleon Skousen has a book called "A Thousand Years" you can talk about. 33 00:01:32,584 --> 00:01:35,536 Christ appears, it's throughout the Bible, Christ appears in Jerusalem, 34 00:01:35,536 --> 00:01:39,721 splits the Mount of Olives to stop the war that's coming in to kill all the Jews, 35 00:01:39,721 --> 00:01:43,396 it's... our church believes that. That's where the coming and glory of Christ occurs. 36 00:01:43,396 --> 00:01:46,742 We also believe that over the thousand years that follows, the millennium, 37 00:01:46,742 --> 00:01:51,910 he will reign from two places, that the law will come forward from one place... 38 00:01:53,294 --> 00:01:58,724 from Missouri, and the other will be in Jerusalem. Alright, that's... now back to abortion. 39 00:01:58,724 --> 00:02:01,959 - Before we... I have to get back on... but before we do anything else 40 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:04,543 I want you to understand one thing. I take this stuff real seriously. 41 00:02:04,543 --> 00:02:06,900 - Oh I don't though. For me this is all frivolous. [!] 42 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:08,904 - No, I take you... no seriously now... 43 00:02:08,904 --> 00:02:10,024 - Come on, I'm running for President! 44 00:02:10,024 --> 00:02:16,278 - Now gimme a second, I'm just... just relax. I take you seriously, and I take what you're saying seriously. 45 00:02:16,278 --> 00:02:20,853 - But you're not giving me the opportunity to explain to you... 46 00:02:20,853 --> 00:02:21,857 - We only got eight minutes. 47 00:02:21,857 --> 00:02:28,409 - ... that my, that my... my faith has very strong beliefs, that if I commit abortion, encourage an abortion... 48 00:02:28,409 --> 00:02:32,590 I was beaten up in Boston because I pointed out time and again that I encouraged girls 49 00:02:32,590 --> 00:02:34,997 not to get abortions. That I told her [sic] to have adoptions. 50 00:02:34,997 --> 00:02:39,864 I have never done anything that in any way violates the principles of my church in that regard. 51 00:02:39,864 --> 00:02:41,546 I've made other mistakes, but in that regard. 52 00:02:41,546 --> 00:02:49,949 But the church does not say that a member of our church has to be opposed to allowing choice in society. 53 00:02:49,949 --> 00:02:54,761 It does not say that. And therefore, there are Mormon Democrats. 54 00:02:54,761 --> 00:02:58,466 There's a Democratic Party in Utah, filled with Mormons, 55 00:02:58,466 --> 00:03:00,933 and the church doesn't say "they're wrong, they're being ex-communicated", no, it says, 56 00:03:00,933 --> 00:03:05,945 "Look, we are vehemently opposed to abortion. Ourselves, and for ourselves." 57 00:03:05,945 --> 00:03:08,600 "But we allow other people to make their own choice." 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,362 I disagree with that view. Politicially, I looked at it and I said, you know what, that's wrong. 59 00:03:12,362 --> 00:03:18,863 And it's not a Mormon thing, it's a secular position to say, you know what, I was wrong. 60 00:03:18,863 --> 00:03:24,863 We should have as a society a prohibition on abortion in the following circumstances. 61 00:03:24,863 --> 00:03:28,048 But it's not violating my faith, let me assure you. 62 00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:34,082 - I hope we can do this, and we can spend some quality time on the air, 63 00:03:34,082 --> 00:03:36,474 rather than the soundbite stuff. 64 00:03:36,474 --> 00:03:39,557 - No I, I mean, I don't like coming on the air and having you go after my church and me and my... 65 00:03:39,557 --> 00:03:41,235 - I'm not going after your church, I agree with your church! 66 00:03:41,235 --> 00:03:43,955 - I know, that's right, but... I'm not running as a Mormon, 67 00:03:43,955 --> 00:03:48,832 and I get a little tired of coming on a show like yours and having it all about Mormon. [sic] 68 00:03:48,832 --> 00:03:51,106 - See, I don't mind it being about that... 69 00:03:51,106 --> 00:03:52,632 - Yeah, I do. I do. 70 00:03:52,632 --> 00:03:54,943 - I agree with the ethics of your church, for Pete's sake! 71 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:57,182 - So do I, so do I. 72 00:03:57,182 --> 00:03:59,559 - Well, [laughs], so I was trying to... 73 00:03:59,559 --> 00:04:04,081 - No, you're trying to tell me that I'm not a faithful Mormon, that I'm not faithful to my church. 74 00:04:04,081 --> 00:04:08,651 - No, I'm trying to get you to reconcile what I think is a disparity between... 75 00:04:08,651 --> 00:04:12,073 - ...and have a great discussion about Mormonism and the Mormon church 76 00:04:12,073 --> 00:04:14,853 and reading the doctrines of the church and where my view is, and you know what? 77 00:04:14,853 --> 00:04:18,752 I'm not running to talk about Mormonism. 78 00:04:18,752 --> 00:04:23,862 - No, but the point is, you know, people who are likely to vote don't want to elect 79 00:04:23,862 --> 00:04:29,100 a Ted Kennedy, who runs, comes back, or a Senator Harken, 80 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:34,023 who comes here to dalley, and comes here to Iowa and says "I'm pro-life", 81 00:04:34,023 --> 00:04:38,140 and when he gets to Washington stands up and becomes pro-choice. 82 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:40,919 - Here's your opportunity to have that settled in your mind. 83 00:04:40,919 --> 00:04:44,515 I was Governor for four years. See, that is what I'm talking about. 84 00:04:44,515 --> 00:04:48,095 I was Governor for four years. I had a number of pieces of legislation that came to my desk 85 00:04:48,095 --> 00:04:54,135 that dealt with abortion, abstinence education, RU486, and so forth. 86 00:04:54,135 --> 00:04:58,957 I vetoed any bill that was in favour of choice. I was entirely consistent in favour of life. 87 00:04:58,957 --> 00:05:02,664 So it's not just my word that have to take, but my record. Alright, thank you. 88 00:05:02,664 --> 00:05:06,299 - Thank you. Thanks a lot.