0:00:00.470,0:00:08.251 Okay everyone, [br]so.. let's start. 0:00:08.251,0:00:14.991 And, OK, tonight I'm gonna talk about[br]the Buddhist attitude to sensuality, 0:00:14.991,0:00:22.247 to sensual pleasures, and, as always,[br]one of the interesting things about 0:00:22.247,0:00:26.523 the Buddhist teachings is always has[br]a slightly different take on things, 0:00:26.523,0:00:28.862 than most of the rest of the world, 0:00:28.862,0:00:32.152 and so it is also with sensuality[br]and sensual pleasures. 0:00:32.152,0:00:36.665 And it is an important part of[br]the Buddhist path to understand 0:00:36.665,0:00:40.451 these things, and for that reason,[br]I think it is interesting, at least, 0:00:40.451,0:00:44.775 to have kind of a broader understanding[br]how it fits in on the path, 0:00:44.775,0:00:50.817 and how it kind of all is integrated into the[br]idea that we call Buddhist practice. 0:00:50.817,0:00:55.386 But first of all, what do we mean by[br]sensual pleasures in Buddhism? 0:00:55.386,0:01:00.610 And what we mean is of course the idea of[br]desire, when we talk about desire, 0:01:00.610,0:01:05.075 when we talk about desire in Buddhism,[br]for everything concerned with the five senses, 0:01:05.075,0:01:09.353 anything you see, anything you hear,[br]anything you taste, anything you touch, 0:01:09.353,0:01:11.878 even anything you smell in this world, 0:01:11.878,0:01:15.525 that is the kind of the world of[br]the sensual, sensuality. 0:01:15.525,0:01:18.273 So you can start to see pretty much[br]straight away, 0:01:18.273,0:01:22.364 if that is the world of sensuality,[br]that's pretty much all there is almost, 0:01:22.364,0:01:26.902 that's kind of our world is bombarded by[br]the five senses throughout the day, 0:01:26.902,0:01:29.294 week after week, year after year, 0:01:29.294,0:01:33.188 usually for the whole lifetime,[br]and only occasionally you escape 0:01:33.188,0:01:36.758 that world a little bit, maybe through[br]meditation practice or whatever, 0:01:36.758,0:01:44.518 but basically, that is the life we live,[br]a sensual life, engulfed in sensual objects, 0:01:44.518,0:01:48.984 and of course then the desire and[br]aversions that arise from that. 0:01:48.984,0:01:52.020 So even at night, you dream something[br]and still in a sense, 0:01:52.020,0:01:55.540 you are enmeshed in the world of[br]sensuality, why is that? 0:01:55.540,0:02:01.704 Because your dreams and all these things,[br]they are also often about such things, 0:02:01.704,0:02:06.146 so it's a very vast, very all encompassing[br]part of our life. 0:02:06.146,0:02:10.260 So how do we Buddhists,[br]how do we think about it, 0:02:10.260,0:02:13.517 how does the Buddha think about this,[br]I always want to come back to 0:02:13.517,0:02:17.057 the word of the Buddha, what does[br]the Buddha say should be our attitude 0:02:17.057,0:02:20.185 towards these things, [br]that is I want to talk about tonight. 0:02:20.185,0:02:25.528 And the first thing, the first way[br]in which the Buddhism is different from 0:02:25.528,0:02:29.810 the rest of the world in thinking about[br]sensuality is that Buddhism doesn't 0:02:29.810,0:02:35.445 really have a puritanical kind of strain[br]to it, Buddhism doesn't say that 0:02:35.445,0:02:39.803 sensuality is bad just because it's[br]bad, Buddhism doesn't say that 0:02:39.803,0:02:45.178 enjoying ourselves in the world, [br]having relationships, entertainment, 0:02:45.178,0:02:49.671 eating nice food, all that stuff is not[br]"bad" from a Buddhist point of view. 0:02:49.671,0:02:55.055 So Buddhism lacks some of this puritanical[br]strain that you can sometimes find elsewhere 0:02:55.055,0:02:59.907 in our society. That is already[br]quite a liberating thing, yeah? 0:02:59.907,0:03:04.250 Enjoying oneself is OK. [br]One interesting passage in the... 0:03:04.250,0:03:06.872 I've just thought about this beforehand, 0:03:06.872,0:03:09.202 there's an interesting passage[br]in the Pali canon, 0:03:09.202,0:03:11.740 this is the Pali canon,[br]the word of the Buddha, 0:03:11.740,0:03:14.030 and the word of the Buddha says,[br]to the monks, 0:03:14.030,0:03:16.523 some of the monks might not be[br]practicing properly or 0:03:16.523,0:03:21.143 kind of not fully getting into the meditation[br]or whatever, and he says to them, 0:03:21.143,0:03:25.742 "You are missing out! You are missing out[br]the happiness of the monastic life!" 0:03:25.742,0:03:29.557 The happiness of the monastic life,[br]what is that? That is kind of meditating, 0:03:29.557,0:03:33.756 being peaceful inside, getting some of[br]the joy and happiness that comes from 0:03:33.756,0:03:36.566 meditation practice.[br]If you don't get that happiness, 0:03:36.566,0:03:39.842 you are not getting[br]the happiness of the monastic life, 0:03:39.842,0:03:43.240 and you are also missing out on[br]the happiness of lay life, yeah? 0:03:43.240,0:03:45.606 It's almost... I don't think[br]this is the point, 0:03:45.606,0:03:48.276 the point is not that[br]you guys, you'd better disrobe 0:03:48.276,0:03:51.132 and get back into lay life,[br]I don't think that's the point, 0:03:51.132,0:03:55.642 but the point is that, as human beings,[br]desires, happiness or pleasures 0:03:55.642,0:04:01.110 in one way or another, whether that is[br]the lay kind of pleasures of the senses, 0:04:01.110,0:04:04.489 or the pleasures of the mind in[br]meditation, doesn't really matter, 0:04:04.489,0:04:08.755 we always, life without pleasure[br]is a meaningless life. 0:04:08.755,0:04:14.906 So this is the first thing, so Buddhism is[br]not anti-pleasure, or anti-happiness or 0:04:14.906,0:04:18.805 anti-enjoyment, I think this is a very [br]important point to keep in mind, 0:04:18.805,0:04:23.771 because sometimes you can[br]maybe get that idea from certain ways 0:04:23.771,0:04:28.402 in which the Buddha's teachings are taught.[br]So this is the one side of the coin, 0:04:28.402,0:04:32.823 but the other side of the coin is that[br]the Buddha also said that there can be 0:04:32.823,0:04:37.323 certain dangers with sensual pleasures. [br]So what are those dangers? 0:04:37.323,0:04:40.542 If we shouldn't be afraid of them,[br]how come they are dangerous as well? 0:04:40.542,0:04:42.745 Then of course, one of the dangers, 0:04:42.745,0:04:46.725 one of the main points of the Buddhist[br]teachings is to live well, 0:04:46.725,0:04:49.055 to live with kindness and compassion. 0:04:49.055,0:04:52.755 And of course, the moment that[br]those sensual pleasures take us 0:04:52.755,0:04:57.258 beyond the boundary of morality,[br]when we start misbehaving, 0:04:57.258,0:05:01.057 maybe stealing or committing adultery[br]or whatever else it is, 0:05:01.057,0:05:02.905 once we get down that avenue, 0:05:02.905,0:05:06.445 that is when we have taken[br]sensual indulgence too far. 0:05:06.445,0:05:09.655 So we indulge,[br]maybe I shouldn't say indulge, 0:05:09.655,0:05:14.356 we enjoy the sensual pleasures[br]within the bounds of morality, yeah? 0:05:14.356,0:05:16.827 This is kind of the Buddhist attitude. 0:05:16.827,0:05:19.760 So we don't hurt other people,[br]we don't hurt other beings, 0:05:19.760,0:05:23.574 and when we don't do that,[br]then it is an acceptable way 0:05:23.574,0:05:26.363 of enjoying the world around us. 0:05:26.363,0:05:29.043 That is the first thing, [br]I think that's pretty obvious, 0:05:29.043,0:05:32.213 you probably all know that already,[br]unless you are your first time here 0:05:32.213,0:05:36.631 maybe tonight, because this is[br]kind of 101 Buddhism, yeah? 0:05:36.631,0:05:40.875 But then the other reason[br]why sensuality is problematic, 0:05:40.875,0:05:43.595 now we are getting to the[br]kind of deeper reasons, 0:05:43.595,0:05:49.271 and one of the main reasons is[br]because sensuality is, to some extent, 0:05:49.271,0:05:52.771 opposed to the meditation practice. 0:05:52.771,0:05:55.838 If you really want to go[br]really really deep in meditation, 0:05:55.838,0:05:58.208 if you don't just come here on a Friday night, 0:05:58.208,0:06:01.427 I mean it's wonderful to come here[br]on Friday night, relax a little bit, 0:06:01.427,0:06:03.862 just enjoy the good company,[br]and have a good time, 0:06:03.862,0:06:06.149 I think that's a wonderful thing already, 0:06:06.149,0:06:09.212 but if you want to take meditation[br]a little bit deeper than that, 0:06:09.212,0:06:12.365 say you come out to Jhana Grove[br]on a 9-day retreat with Ajahn Brahm, 0:06:12.365,0:06:15.761 or something else, or you go to some other[br]retreat centre or whatever it is, 0:06:15.761,0:06:19.170 if you want to take it deeper,[br]the deeper you want to take it, 0:06:19.170,0:06:24.940 the more of an obstacle the sensual [br]desires and the sensual indulgence of 0:06:24.940,0:06:28.618 the world actually becomes.[br]It's like a trade-off in a sense, 0:06:28.618,0:06:32.876 the more you let go of the sensual world, [br]the more profound your meditation becomes, 0:06:32.876,0:06:35.587 the more you're attached to the sensual work, 0:06:35.587,0:06:37.657 the more kind of shallow[br]your meditation is. 0:06:37.657,0:06:40.464 It's almost like an inversely[br]proportional relationship, 0:06:40.464,0:06:43.804 to just use my old mathematics[br]from the University days, yeah, 0:06:43.804,0:06:47.780 inversely proportional relationship,[br]sounds very mathematical, 0:06:47.780,0:06:50.535 we should have some of these[br]mathematical concepts 0:06:50.535,0:06:54.829 in Buddhist books to kind of make it[br]really clear what is going on, I reckon. 0:06:54.829,0:07:01.074 So this is why it is problematic. [br]Why does it have to be like that? 0:07:01.074,0:07:06.385 Very often, you hear people saying that,[br]"I want to enjoy the world and I also 0:07:06.385,0:07:10.128 "want to enjoy meditation. I don't[br]want to give up one to have the other one, 0:07:10.128,0:07:14.259 "I want to enjoy both, so what's the point[br]of becoming a monk, for example, or a nun 0:07:14.259,0:07:18.018 "because that's really nuts, you can't[br]enjoy the ordinary life." 0:07:18.018,0:07:21.294 But the point is that you cannot[br]enjoy both fully, 0:07:21.294,0:07:24.684 there's always a trade-off between[br]the two, and this is the thing that 0:07:24.684,0:07:27.776 I think a lot of people in[br]the Buddhist world, perhaps, 0:07:27.776,0:07:31.807 especially in the West, because people are[br]still kind of fairly new to Buddhism, 0:07:31.807,0:07:35.466 they don't really grasp[br]what these concepts are, 0:07:35.466,0:07:38.196 so to understand that,[br]you actually have to, you know, 0:07:38.196,0:07:41.626 you have to actually see or read[br]some of the discourse of the Buddha, 0:07:41.626,0:07:44.455 to see that this actually is the case. 0:07:44.455,0:07:47.377 And when you think about it,[br]it is actually very obvious, 0:07:47.377,0:07:49.207 I was gonna say blooming obvious, 0:07:49.207,0:07:52.208 but that's kind of bad,[br]but it's very obvious, yeah? 0:07:52.208,0:07:55.538 Why is it so obvious?[br]Because if you... 0:07:55.538,0:08:00.386 especially if you indulge in sensual[br]pleasures, if you enjoy that too much, 0:08:00.386,0:08:04.367 what happens is that[br]you attach to the sensuality. 0:08:04.367,0:08:08.510 Attachment is always just behind[br]indulgence and enjoyment, 0:08:08.510,0:08:12.848 if you enjoy it a lot, you want it again,[br]that is attachment, you want to be there, 0:08:12.848,0:08:16.358 you want to be able to see it, because[br]"wow, so many beautiful sites," 0:08:16.358,0:08:20.459 you want to be able to hear because the[br]music you listen to is so beautiful. 0:08:20.459,0:08:23.603 And maybe it is, I'm not saying it isn't,[br]but you attach to that, 0:08:23.603,0:08:27.227 or you want to enjoy your relationships,[br]or your food, or whatever it is, 0:08:27.227,0:08:31.524 and all of that, because we indulge in it,[br]we attach to it, 0:08:31.524,0:08:35.957 and when you attach to it, when you[br]try to meditate, you can't let go. 0:08:35.957,0:08:39.558 Letting go is precisely the exact[br]opposite of indulgence, 0:08:39.558,0:08:43.452 you go inwards,[br]and the more inwards you want to go, 0:08:43.452,0:08:48.383 the more you have to let go of[br]the five senses and the sensual world. 0:08:48.383,0:08:52.091 Yeah? If you hold onto the senses,[br]you can only go so far inside, 0:08:52.091,0:08:56.688 the less you hold onto the senses, [br]the deeper you can go inside. 0:08:56.688,0:09:02.091 So this is why there is a problem there,[br]and that is why, there is like a trade-off 0:09:02.091,0:09:05.492 between the sensual world[br]and the deep meditation. 0:09:05.492,0:09:10.182 So sensuality is not immoral,[br]it is not bad, it is not evil, 0:09:10.182,0:09:12.320 as long as you do it in a moral way, 0:09:12.320,0:09:16.291 but it can lead to a blockage[br]in your meditation practice, 0:09:16.291,0:09:19.387 and that is why it is problematic. 0:09:19.387,0:09:23.518 I'm sure you can see what I'm talking[br]about here, how, always going outside 0:09:23.518,0:09:27.586 is the opposite of going inside.[br]If you attach to external things, 0:09:27.586,0:09:32.256 you cannot let go and go inside as a[br]consequence, there's a trade-off there. 0:09:32.256,0:09:35.441 So once you understand that,[br]you start to understand 0:09:35.441,0:09:38.162 why there is such a thing[br]as monastic life, yeah? 0:09:38.162,0:09:41.642 This is precisely why,[br]because monastic life is 0:09:41.642,0:09:48.119 trying to enhance that process of[br]letting go of external things, 0:09:48.119,0:09:53.148 while moving more inwards,[br]that is what this whole thing is about, 0:09:53.148,0:09:55.806 that is why there is such a thing[br]as monastic life. 0:09:55.806,0:09:58.727 These things are far harder[br]to do in lay life 0:09:58.727,0:10:02.197 than they are in the monastic life,[br]and that is why we live in this way. 0:10:02.197,0:10:07.615 It's not because we are world-denying,[br]boring kind of people sitting in the forest, 0:10:07.615,0:10:11.106 crying by ourselves, [br]because it's such a terrible thing 0:10:11.106,0:10:13.275 to be a monastic,[br]that's not really the point. 0:10:13.275,0:10:15.205 The point is that it's actually... 0:10:15.205,0:10:17.651 we are not kind of masochists[br]or anything like that, 0:10:17.651,0:10:19.969 there is another point[br]to this whole thing. 0:10:19.969,0:10:24.709 So, this is the reason, and then there is...[br]this is actually a very important reason, 0:10:24.709,0:10:27.198 I think, if you really want to[br]enjoy meditation, 0:10:27.198,0:10:29.777 some degree of letting go is[br]actually necessary, 0:10:29.777,0:10:32.344 and I'm sure you can see that[br]already to some extent, 0:10:32.344,0:10:34.721 even just by coming here[br]on Friday nights. 0:10:34.721,0:10:39.711 But there is a third reason why[br]sensuality is problematic, 0:10:39.711,0:10:44.195 and now we are coming to the really deep[br]parts of the Buddhist teachings, 0:10:44.195,0:10:51.950 and in a deeper sense the sensuality is[br]the bond that ties us to saṃsāra. 0:10:51.950,0:10:56.675 That is why it is really problematic.[br]Saṃsāra is this Pali word which means like 0:10:56.675,0:11:01.258 the round of existence. You carry on,[br]you born here, you die there, 0:11:01.258,0:11:06.290 rebirth and re-death. [br]Have you heard the word re-death before? 0:11:06.290,0:11:09.536 Re-death is a really good word[br]because you don't die only once, 0:11:09.536,0:11:12.894 you die many times. If you get reborn,[br]you get have to re-die as well, 0:11:12.894,0:11:18.589 I think we should kind of start this,[br]you know, implement this word "re-death" 0:11:18.589,0:11:22.487 in the Buddhist teaching because it really[br]gets to the point of what this is about. 0:11:22.487,0:11:24.979 Rebirth, re-death, re-life, re-everything. 0:11:24.979,0:11:27.459 That's kind of part of[br]the problem here. 0:11:27.459,0:11:31.734 So if you don't want all this "re-,"[br]we can just kind of shorten it down to "re-" 0:11:31.734,0:11:33.712 that kind of make it a bit simple, 0:11:33.712,0:11:36.152 if there's not all this "re-" stuff[br]all the time 0:11:36.152,0:11:40.222 there comes a point when you start to[br]realise that actually the bondage to 0:11:40.222,0:11:44.605 saṃsāric existence, that is the real[br]problem, and the most powerful, 0:11:44.605,0:11:48.984 the strongest of all those bonds is[br]the bond of sensuality: 0:11:48.984,0:11:53.290 It ties you to saṃsāra, why?[br]Because sensuality is always about future, 0:11:53.290,0:11:56.430 it's about craving,[br]it's about moving somewhere else, 0:11:56.430,0:11:58.510 always moving towards something, 0:11:58.510,0:12:00.995 never really being satisfied[br]in the present moment, 0:12:00.995,0:12:05.315 and that moving towards something is like[br]a projection of yourself into the future, 0:12:05.315,0:12:08.934 that is why it ties you eternally,[br]hopefully not eternally, 0:12:08.934,0:12:13.537 but for a long time into the future[br]again and again and again. 0:12:13.537,0:12:16.408 So these are some of the reasons, 0:12:16.408,0:12:18.933 you can see here again[br]the balance of Buddhism. 0:12:18.933,0:12:21.856 The balance of seeing the problem[br]with something, 0:12:21.856,0:12:26.722 seeing the gratification and the problem,[br]and then finding a kind of middle way. 0:12:26.722,0:12:30.130 So many things in the Buddhist teachings[br]are about a middle way, 0:12:30.130,0:12:33.287 and so it is also with sensuality. 0:12:33.287,0:12:36.764 So it's a natural path,[br]whereby your meditation deepens, 0:12:36.764,0:12:41.914 you naturally let go of things[br]that actually are less important to you. 0:12:41.920,0:12:45.402 Sensuality becomes less important,[br]meditation becomes more important, 0:12:45.402,0:12:50.192 you don't force it, you don't push it[br]aside, it happens quite naturally, 0:12:50.192,0:12:55.144 this is a beautiful part,[br]the beautiful path that you see right there. 0:12:55.144,0:13:02.442 So if there is a problem with sensuality,[br]if you are really keen on 0:13:02.442,0:13:07.215 your spiritual path, I don't know how keen you are,[br]everyone here probably to various degrees, 0:13:07.215,0:13:11.806 but don't leave just because you're not 100% keen, [br]because still might be interesting 0:13:11.806,0:13:16.957 to see what's happening next. [br]I promise to... for me anyway 0:13:16.957,0:13:19.544 it's very interesting, [br]it's very hard for me to understand 0:13:19.544,0:13:23.079 what other people find interesting, [br]that's my own limitation really, 0:13:23.079,0:13:25.709 but I think some of[br]these things actually are. 0:13:25.709,0:13:30.157 It's a big picture view of life and[br]the world, and this is why it is interesting. 0:13:30.157,0:13:34.962 So how can we deal with these things[br]in such a way to move a little bit away 0:13:34.962,0:13:39.786 from sensuality, and a little bit more[br]towards spiritual happiness 0:13:39.786,0:13:42.624 and meditation and[br]depth of meditation? 0:13:42.624,0:13:47.334 How can we actually do that[br]in a way that is easy, natural, 0:13:47.334,0:13:51.960 not kind of forced or anything like that?[br]And the first thing, 0:13:51.960,0:13:55.394 one of the things I that always found[br]very interesting in the suttas, 0:13:55.394,0:13:58.081 when he talks about overcoming 0:13:58.081,0:14:01.161 the defilements and[br]the problems of the mind. 0:14:01.161,0:14:06.462 The defilements and the problems usually[br]you can summarise them in two main 0:14:06.462,0:14:11.530 defilements, one being ill-will, including[br]anger and upset and all that kind of stuff 0:14:11.530,0:14:14.295 and the other one being desire. 0:14:14.295,0:14:18.451 These are the two kind of main defilements[br]that we tend to deal with, 0:14:18.451,0:14:21.881 and of course dealing with ill-will is[br]actually the most important one. 0:14:21.881,0:14:26.127 If I'm gonna really recommend you to[br]deal with one thing in your life, 0:14:26.127,0:14:31.021 of your mental phenomena that are[br]problematic, ill-will, is Number 1. 0:14:31.021,0:14:33.420 Please, if you are serious[br]about this path, 0:14:33.420,0:14:37.747 see if you can do something about that. [br]I may give a talk here again about how to 0:14:37.747,0:14:41.623 deal with ill-will, because I think it's such[br]an incredibly important part of the path 0:14:41.623,0:14:44.826 and surprisingly you may think[br]that it's hard to get rid of ill-will, 0:14:44.826,0:14:46.956 it isn't that hard actually, 0:14:46.956,0:14:51.024 especially if you have the right motivation,[br]the right kind of perseverance, 0:14:51.024,0:14:55.324 everyone can get rid of ill-will,[br]at least to a large extent, 0:14:55.324,0:15:00.979 maybe not 100%, but at least a lot of it.[br]So that is ill-will, so focus on that, 0:15:00.979,0:15:04.804 but sensuality also[br]is a little bit of a problem, 0:15:04.804,0:15:06.862 so that's what I want to focus on now. 0:15:06.862,0:15:10.642 So how does the Buddha say[br]we should deal with these things? 0:15:10.642,0:15:14.479 What is kind of the method? And very often,[br]people think that you deal with 0:15:14.479,0:15:18.017 these things through[br]meditation practice, by sitting here, 0:15:18.017,0:15:22.452 and becoming peaceful and calm, [br]and that is certainly part of it, 0:15:22.452,0:15:27.178 but really, one of the remarkable things[br]I remember reading the suttas, 0:15:27.178,0:15:31.525 when the Buddha says that[br]there is two powers in your meditation, 0:15:31.525,0:15:35.870 the two powers on the spiritual path,[br]and the first power is 0:15:35.870,0:15:41.280 the power of reflection. Yeah?[br]What does the power of reflection do? 0:15:41.280,0:15:45.629 And the Buddha says that the power of[br]reflection, what it does, 0:15:45.629,0:15:49.758 it overcomes the misconduct[br]by body, speech and mind, 0:15:49.758,0:15:54.926 and it allows you to have good conduct[br]by body, speech and mind. In other words, 0:15:54.926,0:15:58.969 all your ability to practice morality[br]by body and speech, 0:15:58.969,0:16:03.219 and also your ability to think[br]in a way that is not destructive 0:16:03.219,0:16:07.556 for your meditation, including[br]getting rid of ill-will and sensuality 0:16:07.556,0:16:10.155 it's all about how we reflect[br]about the world, 0:16:10.155,0:16:15.085 how we think about things, it is not just[br]about sitting back and enjoying the peace, 0:16:15.085,0:16:19.611 that is a little bit of it, but mainly[br]it's about how we think about things. 0:16:19.611,0:16:24.740 So it's very interesting: what that means[br]is that if we learn to think 0:16:24.740,0:16:28.209 in the right way, we can actually[br]overcome these problems. 0:16:28.209,0:16:31.499 So this is what I want to do tonight,[br]I want to look at a bit more 0:16:31.499,0:16:33.942 how can we think about these things[br]in such a way 0:16:33.942,0:16:36.092 that these things actually are reduced. 0:16:36.092,0:16:38.776 And then, when you have[br]that power of reflection, 0:16:38.776,0:16:42.639 then comes the second power,[br]which is bhāvanābala. 0:16:42.639,0:16:48.073 Do you like Pali words? Yeah?[br]Sounds pretty cool, good to you, cool? 0:16:48.073,0:16:51.499 I like Pali words, I always find it very[br]nice to come back to the Pali, 0:16:51.499,0:16:54.278 because I love reading the suttas, [br]the word of the Buddha, 0:16:54.278,0:16:57.995 bhāvanābala means the power of meditation,[br]or the power of development. 0:16:57.995,0:17:01.894 I think in Sinhalese bhāvanā is actually[br]used specifically to refer to meditation 0:17:01.894,0:17:07.005 practice, and in large part[br]that's true also of the suttas. 0:17:07.005,0:17:11.858 So once that meditation,[br]the power of meditation is 0:17:11.858,0:17:15.982 to develop the really deep samādhis[br]on the path, the four jhanas, 0:17:15.982,0:17:19.328 the seven factors of awakening, [br]and these kind of things. 0:17:19.328,0:17:23.512 So a very deep meditation practice[br]that that is about, 0:17:23.512,0:17:27.344 and it's not so much about [br]overcoming defilements, 0:17:27.344,0:17:30.486 but to go really deep in your meditation. 0:17:30.486,0:17:34.543 So remember that, learn to think[br]in the right way. 0:17:34.543,0:17:37.840 As you think in the right way,[br]your life starts to change, 0:17:37.840,0:17:40.822 the way you think about people,[br]the way you reflect on things, 0:17:40.822,0:17:44.290 the way you perceive reality around[br]you is actually different, 0:17:44.290,0:17:47.787 because you are reflecting[br]in the right way. 0:17:47.787,0:17:50.306 So, how do we do this? [br]And what I'm gonna do, 0:17:50.306,0:17:54.093 this is my kind of standard way of[br]talking about sensual pleasures, 0:17:54.093,0:17:57.153 and many of you would have[br]heard about it before, 0:17:57.153,0:17:59.276 but please don't leave because of that, 0:17:59.276,0:18:03.994 because these are things that are eternally[br]important and wonderful to hear about 0:18:03.994,0:18:07.562 many many times in my opinion.[br]I have heard it more than any one of you, 0:18:07.562,0:18:11.955 and I still get inspired by[br]some of these teachings. 0:18:11.955,0:18:16.765 So... to make the point clear,[br]what the Buddha does, 0:18:16.765,0:18:22.194 he gives a number of similes that refer[br]directly to sensual pleasures, 0:18:22.194,0:18:25.369 and I'm gonna recount[br]some of these similes for you, 0:18:25.369,0:18:31.892 and remember, similes and these little stories[br]the Buddha uses are tools of reflection, 0:18:31.892,0:18:34.462 tools for how to think about the world, 0:18:34.462,0:18:36.908 not tools for forcing you[br]one way or another one, 0:18:36.908,0:18:41.091 but for natural reflection and maturing[br]of the mind as a consequence of 0:18:41.091,0:18:45.971 these reflections. [br]So the first simile that the Buddha uses, 0:18:45.971,0:18:49.208 one of the similes that he uses is 0:18:49.208,0:18:54.161 what is called the simile of[br]the grass torch, the burning grass torch. 0:18:54.161,0:18:58.927 The Buddha says that,[br]imagine, someone coming along, 0:18:58.927,0:19:03.505 and they have a grass torch, they have[br]a grass torch which is burning, 0:19:03.505,0:19:07.758 and then they go against the wind,[br]the wind coming in one direction, 0:19:07.758,0:19:11.641 the grass torch, coming front of you.[br]What happens is, the grass torch, 0:19:11.641,0:19:16.511 of course, has all the cinders, [br]and all the burning things coming off 0:19:16.511,0:19:20.375 it all the time, that's what a grass torch[br]is like, so if you go against the wind, 0:19:20.375,0:19:25.856 all the things, all the cinders, would kind of[br]hit you, and soon enough, 0:19:25.856,0:19:29.362 you'll be on fire if you're not[br]very careful, and if you are on fire, 0:19:29.362,0:19:34.314 that's usually considered painful[br]in Buddhism, that's dukkha, suffering. 0:19:34.314,0:19:38.739 So you wanna avoid getting on fire,[br]this is kind of the simile here. 0:19:38.739,0:19:42.876 So what does this mean?[br]How is this a simile for sensual pleasures 0:19:42.876,0:19:48.059 of the world? And the way this works is[br]when you grab onto that grass torch, 0:19:48.059,0:19:52.870 you are attaching to the sensual objects[br]and the sensual pleasures 0:19:52.870,0:19:55.708 of the world, yeah?[br]You start taking up a relationship, 0:19:55.708,0:19:59.042 or taking up a certain kind of[br]entertainment, or whatever it is, 0:19:59.042,0:20:02.342 and you grasp onto that,[br]your life revolve around those things, 0:20:02.342,0:20:05.425 and as you attach to those things[br]of the world, 0:20:05.425,0:20:08.823 because you are attaching to them, [br]it is a little bit of light from 0:20:08.823,0:20:11.959 that grass torch, and that light[br]you get from the grass torch, 0:20:11.959,0:20:15.172 that is like the happiness that comes[br]from the sensual pleasures. 0:20:15.172,0:20:19.669 But soon enough, the grass, the happiness[br]that comes from the light, it turns into suffering, 0:20:19.669,0:20:23.069 because you're going against the wind. [br]What is that suffering? 0:20:23.069,0:20:28.249 That suffering is that as soon as we attach[br]to things in the world, 0:20:28.249,0:20:33.730 we are essentially asking for suffering.[br]Why? Because all the things in the world, 0:20:33.730,0:20:38.760 worldly things are inherently[br]impermanent, always subject to change, 0:20:38.760,0:20:43.514 out of our control, unreliable,[br]fundamentally unreliable, 0:20:43.514,0:20:50.349 and if you try to grasp onto and attach to[br]something that is by nature unreliable, 0:20:50.349,0:20:55.200 by nature impermanent,[br]what's gonna happen? You're gonna suffer. 0:20:55.200,0:21:00.389 It's kind of very basic Buddhist idea,[br]if things are impermanent, 0:21:00.389,0:21:05.627 suffering must happen as a consequence.[br]So think about it. 0:21:05.627,0:21:09.593 This really is, really problematic, 0:21:09.593,0:21:13.846 and sometimes people say,[br]"if I'm gonna be a good Buddhist, 0:21:13.846,0:21:17.482 "what I should do then is[br]just to avoid attachments." 0:21:17.482,0:21:20.364 Yeah? You can try that and see[br]how that works in your life, 0:21:20.364,0:21:23.800 try to avoid all attachments, [br]and the answer is it is impossible 0:21:23.800,0:21:29.114 to avoid all attachments, maybe if you're[br]an arahant, and usually at this point, 0:21:29.114,0:21:31.539 I'd like to ask how many arahants[br]in the assembly, 0:21:31.539,0:21:34.269 and usually what you find[br]is not that many, yeah? 0:21:34.269,0:21:37.455 Not that many in the assembly,[br]so that is the problem, 0:21:37.455,0:21:41.366 because you're not arahant, yeah,[br]you are going to attach. Why? 0:21:41.366,0:21:44.966 Because all of this comes from[br]the sense of self. 0:21:44.966,0:21:50.133 When there is a perception of a self inside,[br]that is permanent, that is always there, 0:21:50.133,0:21:54.487 that sense of self would take certain[br]things in the world to belong to it. 0:21:54.487,0:21:59.433 "These are my things,[br]this is my realm of control", if you like. 0:21:59.433,0:22:02.686 The sense of self believes[br]it can control the world, 0:22:02.686,0:22:05.216 it forgets about[br]the impermanence of things, 0:22:05.216,0:22:09.045 and kind of projects the sense of self[br]outwards to all these other things as well, 0:22:09.045,0:22:13.304 and because we think we can control,[br]we try to control, but we can't. 0:22:13.304,0:22:17.731 The world always goes according to[br]its own causes and conditions, 0:22:17.731,0:22:21.551 and our ability to control things[br]is actually supremely limited. 0:22:21.551,0:22:26.970 Then things fall apart, we grieve,[br]yeah? We cry, we feel despair, 0:22:26.970,0:22:30.498 because things aren't going according to[br]plan, how we wanted them go, 0:22:30.498,0:22:34.501 and it's because we haven't really[br]understood the Buddhist idea of 0:22:34.501,0:22:38.884 impermanence, of unreliability. [br]Take that on board! Yeah? 0:22:38.884,0:22:43.379 If you take that on board you don't grasp[br]so strongly on that grass torch any more, 0:22:43.379,0:22:47.382 you realise the grass torch is[br]inherently problematic, you're gonna burn, 0:22:47.382,0:22:52.224 and if you burn, if you burn up,[br]then of course, after while, you're gonna die! 0:22:52.224,0:22:55.929 So that's what happens when you burn,[br]and this is really problematic for you. 0:22:55.929,0:22:59.685 So you grasp a little bit more lightly,[br]you seek for happiness and satisfaction 0:22:59.685,0:23:03.681 in the world in slightly different places,[br]not so much in those places 0:23:03.681,0:23:07.265 where you have to grasp[br]and attach so strongly. 0:23:07.265,0:23:09.885 The simile of the grass torch, yeah, 0:23:09.885,0:23:15.052 one of the most basic, fundamental similes[br]for the problem of the sensual world. 0:23:15.052,0:23:19.883 If you go inside, it is slightly different[br]because you don't grasp so strongly onto 0:23:19.883,0:23:22.954 the internal states of the mind,[br]it's a much lighter touch 0:23:22.954,0:23:26.121 that you have with those things. 0:23:26.121,0:23:30.664 Simile Number 2. This is the simile of[br]the Buddha where he talks about, 0:23:30.664,0:23:37.845 it's about birds, and this bird has[br]kind of got hold of a piece of meat, 0:23:37.845,0:23:42.259 and of course if a bird gets hold of[br]meat, it's a very happy bird, yeah? 0:23:42.259,0:23:47.387 So the bird takes off, holds the piece[br]of meat in its little claws and flies off. 0:23:47.387,0:23:51.080 But of course, there are many other birds[br]who would also like a piece of meat, 0:23:51.080,0:23:54.220 you don't get left alone if you are a bird[br]holding a piece of meat. 0:23:54.220,0:23:57.649 Other birds want it too. [br]So as soon as it flies off, 0:23:57.649,0:24:01.492 the other birds also take off,[br]follow that bird, grab hold of it, 0:24:01.492,0:24:04.385 try to rip out the piece of meat[br]from its claws, yeah? 0:24:04.385,0:24:10.197 And the Buddha says, if that bird doesn't[br]give up that piece of meat quickly, 0:24:10.197,0:24:14.356 what's gonna happen to that bird?[br]Well, it will either suffer or it will die 0:24:14.356,0:24:17.371 because it will have to fight with[br]these other birds, yeah? 0:24:17.371,0:24:20.785 That is the consequence of[br]grabbing hold of that piece of meat. 0:24:20.785,0:24:27.611 And as you kind of understand, the piece[br]of meat of course is here a simile for 0:24:27.611,0:24:32.716 the sensual pleasures, or the sensual[br]objects of the world, yeah? 0:24:32.716,0:24:38.116 Because we grab onto those sensual objects,[br]the problem is that the world is such 0:24:38.116,0:24:41.567 that other people also want[br]those sensual objects, yeah? 0:24:41.567,0:24:45.747 As soon as you find some wonderful[br]person to share your life with, 0:24:45.747,0:24:48.970 and kind of you're thinking about[br]having a partnership, 0:24:48.970,0:24:52.145 you find that other people too[br]are interested in that person, yeah? 0:24:52.145,0:24:56.445 Problematic, and even if you actually[br]have a nice partnership, 0:24:56.445,0:25:00.125 and you find somebody to live with, [br]then of course you are eternally slightly 0:25:00.125,0:25:03.830 worried that that person might leave you,[br]maybe they will find someone else. 0:25:03.830,0:25:07.613 There's always some underlying concern[br]there because you never know. 0:25:07.613,0:25:11.396 This is kind of the fighting over[br]the piece of meat almost, yeah? 0:25:11.396,0:25:15.610 We are fighting over things in the world,[br]and the world is full of that, 0:25:15.610,0:25:21.179 so much of how we live our life,[br]and how the world works is this fight 0:25:21.179,0:25:24.836 over limited resources. [br]Everybody wants more, 0:25:24.836,0:25:29.199 nobody is ever quite satisfied, there is[br]no kind of end-point in terms of craving, 0:25:29.199,0:25:32.240 and because there is no[br]end-point for all of us, 0:25:32.240,0:25:34.263 we fight over limited resources, 0:25:34.263,0:25:37.136 always wanting more,[br]always wanting to go somewhere else. 0:25:37.136,0:25:41.629 There's a beautiful story that in the...[br]this is in the sutta called the 0:25:41.629,0:25:45.636 "Raṭṭhapāla Sutta", a very nice sutta[br]that I would recommend you all to read 0:25:45.636,0:25:49.304 if you have the chance, is of a young man[br]from a very wealthy family, 0:25:49.304,0:25:53.756 and he goes forth in the time of[br]the Buddha, and he has got everything in life, 0:25:53.756,0:25:56.456 and then he goes forth,[br]his parents try to hold him back.. 0:25:56.456,0:25:59.100 I'm not gonna tell the whole story,[br]it's a long story, 0:25:59.100,0:26:03.533 it's a very kind of nice one, quite funny,[br]and entertaining as well, 0:26:03.533,0:26:06.447 this is a nice thing about[br]the Buddha's teachings, 0:26:06.447,0:26:09.779 it's both a little bit entertaining,[br]and profound at the same time, 0:26:09.779,0:26:12.267 so beautiful combination. 0:26:12.267,0:26:15.260 Anyway, so he goes forth, yeah,[br]against his parents' wishes, 0:26:15.260,0:26:18.477 his parents are really opposed to it,[br]and he goes forth, 0:26:18.477,0:26:22.485 and then he becomes an arahant.[br]When he comes back after being an arahant, 0:26:22.485,0:26:25.067 his parents try to lure him[br]back to lay life, 0:26:25.067,0:26:27.715 "oh, come and get all this[br]gold and stuff." 0:26:27.715,0:26:31.110 And he comes, he's an arahant, he's[br]fully enlightened, he's not interested in 0:26:31.110,0:26:34.666 gold and that kind of thing any more,[br]so he kind of dismisses his parents, 0:26:34.666,0:26:38.194 he calls his father "householder",[br]that's one of the things that I remember 0:26:38.194,0:26:40.770 from there. [br]He says "householder" to his father, 0:26:40.770,0:26:43.495 and I have never tried to say[br]that to my own father, 0:26:43.495,0:26:48.145 because I think it may go down[br]really badly if I said that (laughter). 0:26:48.145,0:26:50.347 "Householder"... OK, 0:26:50.347,0:26:56.943 but... then he realises that, [br]so his parents kind of give up on him, 0:26:56.943,0:27:00.042 and he goes off into the forest,[br]he goes into the forest, 0:27:00.042,0:27:06.169 and a local king comes out to see him,[br]and the king comes out, and the king asks, 0:27:06.169,0:27:09.274 the king is very old that this point,[br]and he asks Raṭṭhapāla, 0:27:09.274,0:27:13.027 "you have got everything for goodness[br]sake, you have got a good education, 0:27:13.027,0:27:16.193 "you come from a good family, [br]you are wealthy, you have friends, 0:27:16.193,0:27:20.753 "you have everything in life, why on earth[br]did you go forth? Are you nuts?" 0:27:20.753,0:27:24.235 No, he didn't say that, I made that up,[br]that's not the part of the sutta, 0:27:24.235,0:27:26.563 I'm adding a little bit for effects.. 0:27:26.563,0:27:30.153 Because he's much too respectful[br]to ask a question like that, 0:27:30.153,0:27:34.485 so, but he says,[br]"why did you go forth? Is because of... 0:27:34.485,0:27:38.084 "what is the reason?"[br]And then Raṭṭhapāla tells him, 0:27:38.084,0:27:41.769 "well, because I understood[br]these four principles of Dhamma," 0:27:41.769,0:27:47.882 and one of these principles is that[br]the world is a slave to craving, 0:27:47.882,0:27:51.936 the world is insatiate,[br]a slave to craving. 0:27:51.936,0:27:55.686 You are not in charge, this is the reason[br]why we like to desire sometimes, 0:27:55.686,0:27:58.263 because we think we are in charge, 0:27:58.263,0:28:02.117 the desire is mine, I will use desire[br]as my tool to get things. 0:28:02.117,0:28:06.848 No, it's the exact opposite, again[br]the Buddha turns the world around 180°. 0:28:06.848,0:28:10.028 It's the opposite, you are the slave,[br]craving is in charge. 0:28:10.028,0:28:13.816 You are saying, "yes, master,[br]lead me wherever you want to go," 0:28:13.816,0:28:18.615 and you follow after your master.[br]Craving is your master. Can you see that? 0:28:18.615,0:28:21.652 The reason you can't see it is[br]because you have a sense of self, 0:28:21.652,0:28:24.989 that tells you you are in charge,[br]and you are doing these things, 0:28:24.989,0:28:28.138 but actually, that is false.[br]What is true is craving is in charge, 0:28:28.138,0:28:32.844 and you are following along like this silly[br]dog on a leash or something like that, 0:28:32.844,0:28:35.047 yeah, going this way, going that way, 0:28:35.047,0:28:37.676 "yes, master, where would you[br]want to go next?" Yeah? 0:28:37.676,0:28:41.166 That's craving for you, and it's[br]terrible if you think about it. 0:28:41.166,0:28:44.587 So then, this is what Raṭṭhapāla says to[br]the king, and the king says, 0:28:44.587,0:28:46.878 "I don't understand,[br]what are you talking about?" 0:28:46.878,0:28:52.685 And Raṭṭhapāla says, "well, your majesty,[br]imagine that there was a man, 0:28:52.685,0:28:56.048 "you are already wealthy,[br]you have this enormous kingdom, 0:28:56.048,0:29:00.789 "you have gold and silver piled up[br]in massive storehouses, you have grain, 0:29:00.789,0:29:05.234 "you have everything in this large kingdom[br]of yours, but imagine the man came from 0:29:05.234,0:29:09.625 "the west, and this man in the west said,[br]'well, to the west of your kingdom, 0:29:09.625,0:29:14.423 'there is another kingdom, full of gold,[br]full of silver, full of treasure, 0:29:14.423,0:29:17.638 full of all kinds of elephants and horses[br]and all this kind of stuff.'" 0:29:17.638,0:29:21.650 Elephants and horses and cattle were[br]kind of very much part of 0:29:21.650,0:29:24.987 what was considered wealth[br]in those days, yeah? 0:29:24.987,0:29:29.325 'But even though this kingdom[br]to the west has all these things, 0:29:29.325,0:29:34.343 'its army is weaker than yours. If you[br]wish, you could conquer that country.' 0:29:34.343,0:29:36.862 "What would you do, your majesty?" 0:29:36.862,0:29:40.705 And the king replies,[br]"oh we would conquer it of course.." 0:29:40.705,0:29:45.866 And, as if its absolutely obvious[br]that you conquer countries if you can, 0:29:45.866,0:29:49.377 and then he says, "well, if there was[br]another man coming from the north, 0:29:49.377,0:29:52.092 "and said exactly the same thing.[br]What would you do?" 0:29:52.092,0:29:54.304 "Oh, we would conquer[br]that country as well." 0:29:54.304,0:29:58.007 "What if there was another man coming[br]from the east?" "Conquer that one, too." 0:29:58.007,0:30:01.754 "From the south?" "Conquer that one, too."[br]"Overseas?" "Conquer that one, too." 0:30:01.754,0:30:03.865 "Is there any kingdom[br]you would not conquer?" 0:30:03.865,0:30:06.596 Again, that question is not there,[br]but is kind of implied, 0:30:06.596,0:30:10.150 "Of course not! Conquer anything[br]that is there if it's weaker than mine, 0:30:10.150,0:30:14.367 "we will conquer it."[br]So where does desire end? 0:30:14.367,0:30:17.644 It doesn't end, yeah?[br]It just expands, expands, expands, 0:30:17.644,0:30:22.230 and once you get the whole Earth,[br]you're kind of setting your sights on Mars 0:30:22.230,0:30:26.150 and Venus probably,[br]because you're not satisfied yet. 0:30:26.150,0:30:28.924 And then the next solar system and[br]then the next galaxy. 0:30:28.924,0:30:33.006 And I reckon the reason why all of these[br]physicists had this idea of the multiverse, 0:30:33.006,0:30:36.258 have you heard about the multiverse?[br]This idea in astronomy, 0:30:36.258,0:30:39.528 that there's not only one universe,[br]but there are many universes. 0:30:39.528,0:30:44.381 I think they realise that when craving[br]comes, and the entire universe is yours, 0:30:44.381,0:30:49.169 where is craving gonna go?[br]"Ok, better build, make up a multiverse, 0:30:49.169,0:30:51.934 "then there's more chance of[br]satisfying our craving," 0:30:51.934,0:30:55.816 That's where I think the multiverse idea[br]came from, kind of some sort of, maybe, 0:30:55.816,0:31:03.019 a secret subconscious drive of craving[br]that kind of brought forth the idea of 0:31:03.019,0:31:06.939 the multiverse. That's a very heretical[br]idea, don't tell that to any astronomers, 0:31:06.939,0:31:10.322 they will kind of tell you[br]that I'm a fool, an idiot. 0:31:10.322,0:31:13.039 I don't understand astronomy[br]or physics, of course. 0:31:13.039,0:31:15.310 But it kind of makes sense[br]though, doesn't it? 0:31:15.310,0:31:19.152 Because craving knows no bounds, [br]there is no limit, it keeps on going, 0:31:19.152,0:31:23.406 and going and going. And this is the problem.[br]So this is the thing here, yeah, 0:31:23.406,0:31:28.399 and this is why there is never enough,[br]never enough to satisfy everyone, 0:31:28.399,0:31:32.480 this is why we have craving, the desire,[br]this is one of the reasons why we have 0:31:32.480,0:31:36.590 the Royal Banking Commission in Australia[br]right now, because people are just greedy, 0:31:36.590,0:31:40.405 and there is not enough, and you fight.[br]You have an office full of politics, 0:31:40.405,0:31:44.136 and people fighting in the office,[br]trying to put down others, 0:31:44.136,0:31:47.837 and make themselves look glorious, [br]and they would kind of get the promotion 0:31:47.837,0:31:51.367 or the bonus or whatever it is,[br]and this is the problem with these things, 0:31:51.367,0:31:54.725 fighting over things,[br]always trying to get ahead, 0:31:54.725,0:31:58.195 and then having lots of casualties[br]of course on the way. 0:31:58.195,0:32:02.515 So this is to me a very problematic[br]part with sensuality, 0:32:02.515,0:32:09.030 sensuality is inherently full of conflict,[br]inherently it leads to violence, 0:32:09.030,0:32:13.226 inherently it leads to wars[br]and all kinds of problems, yeah? 0:32:13.226,0:32:16.406 And you can see[br]why that has to be the case, 0:32:16.406,0:32:20.186 because there is never enough for[br]everyone, because craving knows no limits, 0:32:20.186,0:32:24.318 and we want the same kind of things, [br]and ultimately we will fight over it, 0:32:24.318,0:32:27.843 fight over the inheritance,[br]fight over the promotion at work, 0:32:27.843,0:32:32.437 fight over the last piece of cake, if you[br]are little children, fight over toys. 0:32:32.437,0:32:35.497 Whatever it is, there's always the world[br]of sensuality 0:32:35.497,0:32:39.215 tends to lead towards[br]conflict and violence. 0:32:39.215,0:32:42.335 Think about that, and that is very [br]off-putting in a way, yeah? 0:32:42.335,0:32:46.534 You cannot really have a peaceful world[br]as long as sensuality is involved. 0:32:46.534,0:32:50.613 So that is the second simile of[br]the Buddha, 0:32:50.613,0:32:53.404 and I think a very very powerful one. 0:32:53.404,0:32:59.552 The third simile of the Buddha,[br]it's not his third one, but it is a simile 0:32:59.552,0:33:05.006 anyway, the third one in this talk,[br]that is the simile of the dream. 0:33:05.006,0:33:08.195 The Buddha says that sensual pleasures[br]are like a dream. 0:33:08.195,0:33:12.223 We talk about the world not being real,[br]sometimes being like an illusion, 0:33:12.223,0:33:16.997 being like a projection of the mind, [br]illusory, and sensuality, 0:33:16.997,0:33:21.433 sensual pleasures are just like that.[br]And if you think about it again, 0:33:21.433,0:33:26.359 it's fairly obvious why this is the case,[br]these similes are very easy, I think, 0:33:26.359,0:33:30.682 to understand. Why is it?[br]How come it as a dream? 0:33:30.682,0:33:35.065 And the reason it is a dream is because[br]the way we think about things, 0:33:35.065,0:33:37.900 the way we think about possessions, [br]the way we think about, 0:33:37.900,0:33:40.370 when I get this new house,[br]when I get this car, 0:33:40.370,0:33:42.769 when I get this relationship[br]or whatever, 0:33:42.769,0:33:46.872 the idea in our mind is[br]very different from the reality, yeah? 0:33:46.872,0:33:50.651 We know that especially from[br]relationships, when you fall in love, 0:33:50.651,0:33:55.203 and you have this kind of idea of[br]the perfect partner in life, 0:33:55.203,0:33:58.373 and you can't even see[br]any negative aspect on them, 0:33:58.373,0:34:04.439 because you are so biased, you are so...[br]you only see one side of your partner. 0:34:04.439,0:34:06.833 But the reality of course[br]is much broader. 0:34:06.833,0:34:10.879 So the reality turns out to be[br]very very different from the fantasy. 0:34:10.879,0:34:14.003 That is also true in smaller things[br]in life. You get a new car, 0:34:14.003,0:34:18.164 you have all these dreams about this car,[br]for some people, not for everyone, 0:34:18.164,0:34:21.719 but some people have these kind of[br]fantasies, but the reality, 0:34:21.719,0:34:25.229 after driving for a few weeks, [br]it gets pretty ordinary again, 0:34:25.229,0:34:27.809 and the fantasy recurs[br]and builds up again. 0:34:27.809,0:34:31.659 I remember myself when I was young,[br]so a while ago now, 0:34:31.659,0:34:36.750 but I had been young as well, (laughter)[br]so, when I was at university, 0:34:36.750,0:34:40.653 for example, which is about 30 years[br]ago now or more, 0:34:40.653,0:34:44.334 I remember thinking about[br]my own future, and I thought, 0:34:44.334,0:34:47.687 gee, I'm gonna have a really good job,[br]I'm gonna make lots of money, 0:34:47.687,0:34:52.864 I'm gonna do all these kind of cool things,[br]I'm gonna have a wife like this and this, 0:34:52.864,0:34:56.721 that kind of wife, and I'm gonna do, [br]live well, I'm gonna have, 0:34:56.721,0:35:00.529 everything's going to be nice, and have the right[br]kinds of friends, and that kind of stuff, 0:35:00.529,0:35:03.790 actually, it wasn't exactly like that, [br]I'm just making something up, 0:35:03.790,0:35:06.912 but it was a little bit like that, [br]the dream about the future, 0:35:06.912,0:35:10.682 especially the dream about, you know [br]girlfriend and wife, that sort of stuff, 0:35:10.682,0:35:15.314 and having a nice house, and you can see[br]what a waste of time that was, yeah? 0:35:15.314,0:35:19.206 When you look at this, it was a complete[br]absolute mistake! 0:35:19.206,0:35:23.091 Talking about the dream being wrong,[br]this is kind of maxing on wrongness. 0:35:23.091,0:35:26.887 Absolutely wrong. But the reality is[br]that for every one of us, 0:35:26.887,0:35:28.547 it is a little bit like that, 0:35:28.547,0:35:32.219 you dream about something, you have[br]this idea what something is gonna be like, 0:35:32.219,0:35:35.219 and the reality is always different, yeah? 0:35:35.219,0:35:39.004 Life is like a dream, moving towards[br]something that never actually arises, 0:35:39.004,0:35:41.198 and then when you get those things, 0:35:41.198,0:35:43.548 and realise that[br]the dream isn't gonna work out, 0:35:43.548,0:35:46.897 you think about new things,[br]you change your dream a little bit, 0:35:46.897,0:35:49.353 but it's still a dream,[br]it will never actually get there. 0:35:49.353,0:35:53.002 We live in this life of [br]one thing to bring something about, 0:35:53.002,0:35:57.655 we live in a dream life that never[br]actually comes out to be quite like that. 0:35:57.655,0:36:00.491 So much of life is like that,[br]and this is one of the reasons 0:36:00.491,0:36:04.034 why the mindfulness is so difficult,[br]because if you live a dream, 0:36:04.034,0:36:08.471 if you live craving, if you live desire,[br]the mind is always onto something else, 0:36:08.471,0:36:11.571 never really happy[br]to be in present moment. 0:36:11.571,0:36:13.359 So as you let go of those things, 0:36:13.359,0:36:16.799 the mind settles into[br]the present moment much more. 0:36:16.799,0:36:20.008 That is the simile of the dream. 0:36:20.008,0:36:23.657 Another of my really favourite similes[br]from the suttas, 0:36:23.657,0:36:28.199 is the simile of the borrowed goods. [br]This is the Buddha, when he talks about, 0:36:28.199,0:36:33.001 he says that, "imagine a rich person",[br]in those days, rich persons were 0:36:33.001,0:36:36.736 pretty humble compared to what are[br]these days, the rich person, he drives, 0:36:36.736,0:36:41.291 oh sorry, not a rich person, what am I talking[br]about, an ordinary person who borrows 0:36:41.291,0:36:44.479 goods of rich people.[br]So he gets a nice carriage, 0:36:44.479,0:36:48.019 and he has some nice jewellery,[br]like nice earrings or whatever, 0:36:48.019,0:36:50.484 and that was considered[br]a rich person in those days, 0:36:50.484,0:36:52.834 a nice carriage and some earrings, 0:36:52.834,0:36:58.230 and then he drives around in his carriage,[br]wearing his nice earrings, 0:36:58.230,0:37:04.638 and he drives around in town,[br]very humble, anyway, he drives around town, 0:37:04.638,0:37:07.570 and people look at him, [br]"wow, check out this rich guy, 0:37:07.570,0:37:11.798 "he is really wealthy, this is how[br]the wealthy enjoy their wealth!" 0:37:11.798,0:37:15.468 This is what they say about this man,[br]and of course when people point to you, 0:37:15.468,0:37:19.085 and say, "you are wealthy," you start[br]inflating your ego straight away, yeah? 0:37:19.085,0:37:22.857 "Yeah, I am important, that's right,[br]I'm rich, you guys you are less than me, 0:37:22.857,0:37:25.288 "I am more because I'm more wealthy[br]than you are." 0:37:25.288,0:37:28.816 And this is what happens if you are[br]wealthy, you start to feel more important, 0:37:28.816,0:37:32.122 yeah? It's just part and parcel,[br]it's nothing, it's unfortunate, 0:37:32.122,0:37:34.224 but it's just the reality of human beings, 0:37:34.224,0:37:37.119 we are like that, yeah?[br]That's just the reality of things. 0:37:37.119,0:37:41.422 And of course, then, because these things[br]are borrowed, the owner comes back, 0:37:41.422,0:37:46.392 and takes back the carriage, takes back[br]those earrings, and then how does he feel? 0:37:46.392,0:37:51.237 He feels naked, he feels like that[br]the attachment he has built up to 0:37:51.237,0:37:54.828 those things, these things,[br]his sense of identity, 0:37:54.828,0:37:58.775 which now is vested in those goods,[br]suddenly is taken away. 0:37:58.775,0:38:01.776 You feel naked,[br]you feel something is gone, 0:38:01.776,0:38:06.067 "What, I'm not wealthy after all!"[br]It's like you are shocked, you forgot 0:38:06.067,0:38:10.757 that those goods actually were borrowed,[br]that is the problem. 0:38:10.757,0:38:15.245 And the reality of our life is that [br]our life is full of borrowed goods. 0:38:15.245,0:38:18.890 Yeah? What is borrowed in life?[br]If you think about it 0:38:18.890,0:38:22.690 pretty much everything we have[br]in this life is actually borrowed, yeah? 0:38:22.690,0:38:26.374 Everything you own in your life,[br]your relationships, 0:38:26.374,0:38:29.907 your friendships in this world,[br]you physical body 0:38:29.907,0:38:32.856 ultimately is borrowed as well.[br]Why is it borrowed? 0:38:32.856,0:38:38.390 Because very often nature comes,[br]impermanence comes, unreliability comes, 0:38:38.390,0:38:43.376 and snatches it back, and there's nothing[br]you can do to control it or to hold onto it. 0:38:43.376,0:38:47.875 At the very latest, when you die,[br]it's going to be taken away from you. 0:38:47.875,0:38:52.638 Everything in our life, pretty much,[br]especially everything in the sensual world 0:38:52.638,0:38:58.029 are borrowed goods - you can't hold onto[br]them, it's gonna have to go. 0:38:58.029,0:39:01.702 What does this mean? [br]And this is actually very, I don't know, 0:39:01.702,0:39:04.825 it's very powerful, you know,[br]if you think about in this life, 0:39:04.825,0:39:07.326 if you borrow something,[br]if you rent something, 0:39:07.326,0:39:09.893 like you rent an apartment[br]for a few months, 0:39:09.893,0:39:12.558 how much investment are[br]you gonna put into 0:39:12.558,0:39:15.188 an apartment you're renting[br]from someone else? 0:39:15.188,0:39:18.458 Not that much, because you won't be[br]able to enjoy that investment, 0:39:18.458,0:39:20.877 the owner would enjoy it,[br]rather than you. 0:39:20.877,0:39:23.467 So if everything in your life[br]is borrowed goods, 0:39:23.467,0:39:27.323 it means you start investing less[br]in those borrowed goods in your life, 0:39:27.323,0:39:31.439 and you start investing, instead, in those[br]things that actually go beyond that, 0:39:31.439,0:39:36.606 that are more profound, that have a deeper[br]sense of meaning and fulfilment. 0:39:36.606,0:39:41.403 What is that? And the difference of course[br]is that, the difference here is 0:39:41.403,0:39:45.153 between focusing solely[br]on this little existence, 0:39:45.153,0:39:48.073 this little slice of existence[br]that we have here and now, 0:39:48.073,0:39:52.187 and to compare that to the existence that[br]you have, from a Buddhist point of view, 0:39:52.187,0:39:57.202 the vast existence takes into account[br]past lives and future lives, 0:39:57.202,0:40:01.858 it's a panorama, far far wider,[br]than the little reality we are aware of 0:40:01.858,0:40:05.680 right now in this life.[br]And this is why the idea of rebirth, 0:40:05.680,0:40:10.330 the idea of re-existence, of re-death,[br]of re-everything is so important, 0:40:10.330,0:40:13.525 because it changes your calculation of[br]what is important, 0:40:13.525,0:40:16.890 how we should live,[br]what is important in our lives? 0:40:16.890,0:40:21.112 What is the thing that is not borrowed[br]goods in this sense? 0:40:21.112,0:40:24.296 The thing that is not the borrowed goods[br]is your mind. Why? 0:40:24.296,0:40:27.634 Because your mind is what goes beyond this[br]ordinary life 0:40:27.634,0:40:29.868 and you take with you into your future. 0:40:29.868,0:40:33.726 If you build up a beautiful mind[br]in this life, if you build up 0:40:33.726,0:40:37.372 a light mind full of good merit and[br]happiness and good qualities, 0:40:37.372,0:40:42.027 that is what you take with you into the[br]future. And don't be fooled, 0:40:42.027,0:40:45.562 it can be done, you can change,[br]you can become more bright, 0:40:45.562,0:40:48.494 you can become more happy.[br]It's a gradual process, 0:40:48.494,0:40:53.021 it takes perseverance and commitment,[br]but it can be done. How do we do it? 0:40:53.021,0:41:02.499 And the way we do it is[br]not by focusing so much 0:41:02.499,0:41:05.776 on the results and the goals of this life, 0:41:05.776,0:41:09.158 but focusing more on the process,[br]focusing more 0:41:09.158,0:41:14.040 on how we get to these things,[br]rather than actually the goals themselves. 0:41:14.040,0:41:16.367 And I think this is one of those, again, 0:41:16.367,0:41:19.467 critical things and[br]critical differences in life. 0:41:19.467,0:41:23.456 The vast majority of people, because[br]we are interested in the sensual realm, 0:41:23.456,0:41:28.043 the sensual things, we always want[br]to enhance the sensual pleasures in life, 0:41:28.043,0:41:32.841 we focus on those goals, how to get there, [br]and very often the problem is that 0:41:32.841,0:41:37.473 the goal justifies the means, the end[br]justifies the means, yeah? 0:41:37.473,0:41:41.096 It's one of those ancient sayings which[br]is complete nonsense of course 0:41:41.096,0:41:44.638 from the Buddhist point of view,[br]because we want to get to those goals, 0:41:44.638,0:41:48.505 and whatever means we use[br]to get there is irrelevant. 0:41:48.505,0:41:50.514 Of course the problem with that is 0:41:50.514,0:41:53.474 that you may be building up[br]a lot in this life, 0:41:53.474,0:41:58.024 you make this life very beautiful and[br]you have all kinds of things in this life, 0:41:58.024,0:42:02.668 but as part and parcel of that[br]you take all sorts of short-cuts, 0:42:02.668,0:42:06.500 you do bad things to other people. [br]When you come to the end of your life, 0:42:06.500,0:42:09.289 imagine how you feel.[br]You come to the end of your life, 0:42:09.289,0:42:11.379 you have built up all of these things, 0:42:11.379,0:42:15.447 and all of these things you have built up,[br]they belong to this world, 0:42:15.447,0:42:19.965 they are borrowed goods, now you're[br]gonna have to let go of all of that, 0:42:19.965,0:42:24.679 and in the meantime, you have done[br]many bad things to drag your mind down, 0:42:24.679,0:42:27.409 make the mind a bit darker,[br]a bit more unpleasant, 0:42:27.409,0:42:32.420 a bit heavier place to be. That is all[br]that you have left when you die. 0:42:32.420,0:42:33.717 How do you feel? 0:42:33.717,0:42:37.128 You feel like you have wasted an[br]opportunity. You feel there's nothing left, 0:42:37.128,0:42:39.946 you feel kind of this sense of[br]emptiness and confusion, 0:42:39.946,0:42:45.406 "I have wasted the opportunity,[br]I have lived a life focusing solely on 0:42:45.406,0:42:49.356 "things that belong to this world,[br]and there's nothing I can take with me 0:42:49.356,0:42:52.091 "except for the badness[br]I have done in the meantime, 0:42:52.091,0:42:55.509 "and that has let me down, and the future[br]now, is looking very dismal." 0:42:55.509,0:42:58.816 This is the problem[br]by focusing on these things. 0:42:58.816,0:43:02.722 So instead of focusing on the goal,[br]instead of focusing on the end, 0:43:02.722,0:43:07.793 a Buddhist way of thinking is to focus[br]on the process, to focus on the how, 0:43:07.793,0:43:10.958 how we reach those goals,[br]how we get there, 0:43:10.958,0:43:15.638 and then if the goals don't happen,[br]if we don't achieve those things 0:43:15.638,0:43:18.729 that we would like to achieve in life,[br]it doesn't matter so much, 0:43:18.729,0:43:22.711 because by focusing on the process,[br]we have lifted ourselves up, 0:43:22.711,0:43:25.435 made ourselves a brighter mind, 0:43:25.435,0:43:27.805 and we feel when we come to[br]the end of our life, 0:43:27.805,0:43:31.827 "OK, I may not have achieved very much[br]in this life, but who cares? 0:43:31.827,0:43:36.030 "It's all going to have to go anyway,[br]the only thing I have achieved is building up 0:43:36.030,0:43:40.460 "a brighter and happier mind for myself."[br]And lo and behold, at this point, 0:43:40.460,0:43:43.897 that is the only thing that matters, [br]everything else is irrelevant. 0:43:43.897,0:43:47.754 So it changes your calculation,[br]the simile of the borrowed goods, 0:43:47.754,0:43:51.440 it makes you look at life[br]an entirely different way, 0:43:51.440,0:43:54.470 and this is such a powerful[br]and wonderful thing. 0:43:54.470,0:43:57.908 All those people, you know,[br]who we see have taken short-cuts, 0:43:57.908,0:44:02.313 perhaps, some of the things[br]that have been uncovered by 0:44:02.313,0:44:06.126 the Royal Banking Commission and all this[br]kind of stuff, why have they done that? 0:44:06.126,0:44:08.808 They focused on the goal,[br]not focusing on the process, 0:44:08.808,0:44:11.998 and by doing so,[br]they trick themselves, 0:44:11.998,0:44:16.059 they've made a mistake[br]and created badness within themselves, 0:44:16.059,0:44:19.332 while at the same time,[br]going for worldly things 0:44:19.332,0:44:23.988 that are inherently[br]impermanent and problematic. 0:44:23.988,0:44:27.656 So there you are,[br]the simile of the borrowed goods. 0:44:27.656,0:44:35.424 The next simile, this is the simile of[br]the jungle or the forest, 0:44:35.424,0:44:39.110 and the Buddha says, imagine[br]two people living in a village 0:44:39.110,0:44:42.789 or living in a town,[br]and they go down into the forest. 0:44:42.789,0:44:45.379 When they go down into the forest, 0:44:45.379,0:44:49.503 the first of these people, he walks into[br]the forest, and he looks around, 0:44:49.503,0:44:54.383 the forest is very dark,[br]the forest is very thick and dense, 0:44:54.383,0:44:57.293 and he can't see very far[br]in any direction at all, 0:44:57.293,0:44:59.288 but he's wandering around in this forest, 0:44:59.288,0:45:04.545 looking for things that make will him happy,[br]and then he comes to a mango tree, 0:45:04.545,0:45:09.193 "wow!", the mango tree, ripe mangoes[br]on the tree, he climb up the mango tree, 0:45:09.193,0:45:13.357 and he goes up in the mango tree[br]and sits there and eats mangoes, 0:45:13.357,0:45:16.647 and while he eats mangoes,[br]because the mangoes are so delicious, 0:45:16.647,0:45:19.189 is there anyone here who[br]doesn't like mangoes? 0:45:19.189,0:45:22.975 Everybody likes nice ripe mangoes,[br]when they're nice... maybe not everyone, 0:45:22.975,0:45:25.664 maybe there is always someone[br]who is kind of different, 0:45:25.664,0:45:28.630 but most people like ripe mangoes. 0:45:28.630,0:45:33.656 He goes up into the tree, indulging in[br]ripe mangoes, and because he's indulging, 0:45:33.656,0:45:37.338 he loses his mindfulness, no idea what's[br]going on, "oh mango is so nice!" 0:45:37.338,0:45:43.103 and sits there, and just kind of[br]intoxicated by mangos, mango intoxication. 0:45:43.103,0:45:46.783 Then, comes another man.[br]You think alcohol is bad, 0:45:46.783,0:45:49.735 maybe mango is even worse,[br]in some ways. 0:45:49.735,0:45:52.580 So then another man comes along,[br]and he does not know 0:45:52.580,0:45:54.270 how to climb a tree, so he thinks 0:45:54.270,0:45:57.886 "ah, all those nice mangos, how am I gonna[br]get hold of them, hmm, OK," 0:45:57.886,0:46:02.997 takes out his axe, and starts[br]chopping down the tree at the root. 0:46:02.997,0:46:07.393 And the Buddha says, "well, if that man[br]who's already up in that mango tree, 0:46:07.393,0:46:10.883 "if he doesn't come down quickly,[br]what's gonna happen?" 0:46:10.883,0:46:14.122 Well, he's gonna fall down,[br]he's gonna break a leg and an arm, 0:46:14.122,0:46:18.557 or he might even die if it's high enough,[br]that's what's gonna happen, yeah? 0:46:18.557,0:46:21.722 So this is the problem,[br]and what is the point of this? 0:46:21.722,0:46:27.166 The point of this is that these two men,[br]these two people who walk into the jungle, 0:46:27.166,0:46:30.999 walk into the forest,[br]the jungle here, as I read it, 0:46:30.999,0:46:34.325 is a simile for the sensual world, yeah? 0:46:34.325,0:46:38.552 We are in the sensual world, maybe we are[br]in the city, when you are in the city, 0:46:38.552,0:46:42.255 there are all kinds of sensual pleasures[br]available for you, there's cafes, 0:46:42.255,0:46:46.492 there's entertainment going on, that's[br]where you, kind of you find your partner 0:46:46.492,0:46:49.866 for life and all these kind of things.[br]Cities are a place of sensuality. 0:46:49.866,0:46:53.754 Walking around in the city,[br]looking at all of these nice potential 0:46:53.754,0:46:56.742 sensual pleasures,[br]walking around in the jungle. 0:46:56.742,0:47:01.395 But of course, just like the city,[br]the jungle is a place where you can't 0:47:01.395,0:47:06.216 see very far, yeah? When you are in[br]the realm of sensual pleasures, 0:47:06.216,0:47:10.497 your mind is limited, your mind is not[br]vast and expansive, 0:47:10.497,0:47:14.473 as it can be in meditation practice,[br]it's limited and contracted. 0:47:14.473,0:47:19.541 You can't see very far away, you have no[br]overview, you have no bird's eye view, 0:47:19.541,0:47:23.481 you have no perspective on what is going on,[br]that is the problem in the jungle, 0:47:23.481,0:47:26.503 all you're doing is looking for the next[br]sensual pleasure, yeah? 0:47:26.503,0:47:29.261 Life is a bit like that,[br]looking for the next pleasure, 0:47:29.261,0:47:32.283 looking for the next happiness,[br]looking for what we can do next. 0:47:32.283,0:47:36.121 When are we gonna go on holiday?[br]Which restaurant are we going to tonight? 0:47:36.121,0:47:39.907 What are we gonna do? Always thinking[br]of some more pleasure down the road, 0:47:39.907,0:47:45.362 and as you indulge in those pleasures,[br]as you indulge in this happiness of 0:47:45.362,0:47:49.940 the senses, then because you are indulging[br]because you are intoxicated, 0:47:49.940,0:47:52.200 you're losing your mindfulness, 0:47:52.200,0:47:55.556 and before you know it,[br]it is your turn to die, yeah? 0:47:55.556,0:48:00.344 Before you know it you are, I don't know,[br]75, 80, 85, I don't know when people 0:48:00.344,0:48:03.458 die these days, at various ages,[br]and that's it, you had it, 0:48:03.458,0:48:07.894 you're finished, and because you were[br]intoxicated on the way, 0:48:07.894,0:48:10.444 because you were indulging[br]too much on the way, 0:48:10.444,0:48:13.843 you lost your mindfulness,[br]you lost your ability to think clearly 0:48:13.843,0:48:18.738 about what is really important in life,[br]and then death surprises you, 0:48:18.738,0:48:23.038 when it finally happens, and of course,[br]you're not ready to die when that happens.. 0:48:23.038,0:48:26.525 You got intoxicated,[br]because you were intoxicated 0:48:26.525,0:48:30.007 you forgot that living well is important,[br]you forgot that kindness 0:48:30.007,0:48:33.966 and compassion, and peace in life,[br]actually is so significant 0:48:33.966,0:48:36.496 to make us really happy[br]in a deeper sense, 0:48:36.496,0:48:40.410 and for practicing the spiritual path.[br]You forgot all of that, 0:48:40.410,0:48:44.124 and then when you die, you die[br]in a bad way, wondering what you did. 0:48:44.124,0:48:47.841 So what is the alternative?[br]The alternative is this: 0:48:47.841,0:48:51.472 and this is another nice little simile[br]from the suttas, 0:48:51.472,0:48:56.209 the simile of two friends walking through[br]the jungle, walking through this dense 0:48:56.209,0:49:01.700 jungle of sensuality, not really seeing[br]very far ahead in any direction at all, 0:49:01.700,0:49:05.071 and they come to a hill, a tall hill,[br]almost like a mountain, 0:49:05.071,0:49:08.742 and then one friend says to the other one,[br]"lets go to the top of the hill, 0:49:08.742,0:49:11.500 "to the top of the mountain."[br]The other man says, "no, no, 0:49:11.500,0:49:14.338 "I'm not interested, I will stay down[br]here at the bottom." 0:49:14.338,0:49:17.435 So his friend says,[br]"OK, I will go up by myself." 0:49:17.435,0:49:19.997 So he goes up to the top of the mountain, 0:49:19.997,0:49:22.967 and when he gets up to the top of[br]the mountain, he says, 0:49:22.967,0:49:26.417 "wow, you should see,[br]when you stand on the top of mountain, 0:49:26.417,0:49:31.107 "you can see fields, you can see villages,[br]you can see roads, 0:49:31.107,0:49:34.762 "you can see all of these things,[br]lakes and gardens and groves, 0:49:34.762,0:49:37.942 "all this kind of stuff!"[br]So he shouts down to his friend, 0:49:37.942,0:49:41.431 "Yea! I can see all this stuff from[br]the top here." And his friend says, 0:49:41.431,0:49:45.100 "no way, absolutely no chance you can see[br]that from the top of the mountain," 0:49:45.100,0:49:47.863 and the friend on the top[br]gets a bit exasperated 0:49:47.863,0:49:51.117 because he can see all these things.[br]So he goes down to 0:49:51.117,0:49:54.334 the bottom of the mountain,[br]grabs his friend by his arm, 0:49:54.334,0:49:57.911 not using too much violence because[br]he's a good Buddhist, but a little bit, 0:49:57.911,0:50:01.077 "OK, come along."[br]He drags him up to the top of the mountain 0:50:01.077,0:50:04.591 he gets super-strength when it's something[br]important to show other people, 0:50:04.591,0:50:07.623 drags him all the way up, and says,[br]"Look! Ok, what do you see?" 0:50:07.623,0:50:13.154 "Oh, yeah, I see fields, gardens, groves,[br]villages, roads, all these things." 0:50:13.154,0:50:17.130 "Well, why did you say at the bottom of[br]the mountain that you didn't see that?" 0:50:17.130,0:50:22.210 And the friend replies, "because when I[br]was at the bottom, I was obstructed by 0:50:22.210,0:50:25.175 "this very mountain,[br]from being able to see those things." 0:50:25.175,0:50:30.809 And the point here is that when you are[br]in the midst of the sensuality, 0:50:30.809,0:50:34.005 when you are in midst of the sensual[br]objects of the world, 0:50:34.005,0:50:36.772 you have no perspective,[br]you have no overview, 0:50:36.772,0:50:40.608 you are like a fish in water, [br]all you know is water, you have no idea 0:50:40.608,0:50:43.961 about anything else, it's impossible for[br]you to understand sensuality. 0:50:43.961,0:50:48.836 When you practice the spiritual path, [br]you elevate yourself, gradually lifting 0:50:48.836,0:50:53.341 yourself out of sensuality, until one day[br]you reach the state of samādhi, 0:50:53.341,0:50:57.158 and when you reach the state of[br]samādhi for the first time 0:50:57.158,0:51:01.192 have you extracted yourself from the world[br]of sensuality for the very first time, 0:51:01.192,0:51:03.341 do you have the eagle's,[br]the bird's eye view, 0:51:03.341,0:51:05.931 and you can actually see[br]what is going on. 0:51:05.931,0:51:10.124 Then you understand sensuality,[br]then you know the problem of these things. 0:51:10.124,0:51:14.929 This is the opposite of being in[br]the jungle, being in the forest. 0:51:14.929,0:51:17.923 Then you know the problem,[br]then you know what is going on. 0:51:17.923,0:51:22.937 Most of the time we are just intoxicated,[br]following along, and for this reason, 0:51:22.937,0:51:27.672 sometimes we need to have a little bit of[br]faith and confidence in the teachings of 0:51:27.672,0:51:32.443 the Buddha, in the promise of[br]what meditation actually can do for us. 0:51:32.443,0:51:36.541 So what is the promise?[br]Well this is the very last simile, 0:51:36.541,0:51:39.870 actually, a couple of more similes,[br]we'll have to see what happens, 0:51:39.870,0:51:42.633 I've only got a few more minutes,[br]otherwise I'm gonna be overtime, 0:51:42.633,0:51:46.745 the very last simile[br]that I want to talk about tonight, 0:51:46.745,0:51:49.182 and this is the simile of the dog, 0:51:49.182,0:51:54.151 the simile of the dog is[br]the dog which is hungry. 0:51:54.151,0:51:56.801 If you've seen some of[br]these dogs in India, 0:51:56.801,0:51:59.189 they're always hungry, [br]always looking for food, 0:51:59.189,0:52:01.581 they're not like the[br]pampered dogs in the West. 0:52:01.581,0:52:04.821 With dogs we look after them,[br]they're really kind of happy, 0:52:04.821,0:52:08.699 but in India, they are kind of[br]really scrawny, and kind of terrible, 0:52:08.699,0:52:12.662 and terrified of human beings,[br]for kicking them and all this kind of stuff. 0:52:12.662,0:52:18.641 So these dogs in India they are running[br]around, yeah, from one butcher shop 0:52:18.641,0:52:22.106 to the next one, and whenever[br]they come to a butcher shop, 0:52:22.106,0:52:25.836 the butcher is not gonna them give any meat.[br]You don't give valuable meat 0:52:25.836,0:52:29.676 to a kind of strange scrawny dodgy dog[br]coming around every now and again. 0:52:29.676,0:52:32.745 But the butcher,[br]because he has a little bit of compassion, 0:52:32.745,0:52:35.649 when all the meat has been taken[br]off the bone, 0:52:35.649,0:52:39.717 he chucks the bone out to the dog,[br]and of course this bone, 0:52:39.717,0:52:43.191 which has no meat on it,[br]all it has is a little bit of blood, 0:52:43.191,0:52:48.854 the dog kind of ignores this bone,[br]all he gets is a taste of blood, 0:52:48.854,0:52:54.556 all it does is increasing its craving for[br]some real meat, for real sustenance, yeah? 0:52:54.556,0:52:58.908 More craving. So as soon as the dog[br]has finished licking off the blood 0:52:58.908,0:53:02.926 of that bone, it runs off to the next[br]butcher shop, still craving, 0:53:02.926,0:53:07.440 still desiring, try to get something else.[br]It goes to the next butcher shop, 0:53:07.440,0:53:11.193 the same thing happens again,[br]no meat, no sustenance, 0:53:11.193,0:53:15.883 nothing that fulfills you inside,[br]again the same kind of craving, 0:53:15.883,0:53:20.602 by licking the blood and not really getting[br]anything else. And on and on it goes, 0:53:20.602,0:53:24.679 from butcher shop to butcher shop,[br]from household to household, 0:53:24.679,0:53:29.700 life after life, eon after eon.[br]This is the simile of human beings, 0:53:29.700,0:53:33.315 the simile of always running after[br]sensual pleasures, 0:53:33.315,0:53:35.834 never giving any real satisfaction, 0:53:35.834,0:53:39.194 never giving any sense of[br]fulfillment and completion, 0:53:39.194,0:53:42.468 never being a real goal,[br]a real purpose in life, 0:53:42.468,0:53:44.560 never actually getting you anywhere. 0:53:44.560,0:53:48.620 You always just keep on doing[br]the same thing again and again and again. 0:53:48.620,0:53:52.388 This is the real problem of[br]craving for sensual pleasures, 0:53:52.388,0:53:56.556 there is no finality to it, there is no[br]goal, there is nowhere we are going, 0:53:56.556,0:53:59.439 we're just doing the same thing again[br]and again and again. 0:53:59.439,0:54:03.574 This is the simile of the dog.[br]So what is the alternative? 0:54:03.574,0:54:05.959 This is where the Buddhist path comes in. 0:54:05.959,0:54:08.942 The Buddha says,[br]"there is an alternative happiness." 0:54:08.942,0:54:12.532 The happiness that leads to[br]real fulfilment, real completion, 0:54:12.532,0:54:15.827 that actually is a real end[br]in its own right. 0:54:15.827,0:54:19.691 What is that happiness?[br]It starts off by practicing kindness and 0:54:19.691,0:54:23.543 generosity and compassion in this world,[br]and as you do that, 0:54:23.543,0:54:28.113 I would really recommend that each one[br]of you to think about this very carefully, 0:54:28.113,0:54:32.316 when you do an act of kindness,[br]when you do an act of generosity, 0:54:32.316,0:54:36.854 how do you feel about yourself?[br]And I'm sure you will have noticed 0:54:36.854,0:54:40.450 that when you do an act of kindness,[br]when it really comes from your heart, 0:54:40.450,0:54:43.850 you feel good about yourself.[br]How does that feel? 0:54:43.850,0:54:47.854 And you will also notice[br]it's a very different kind of feeling 0:54:47.854,0:54:51.158 from the feeling of satisfaction[br]that you get from craving. 0:54:51.158,0:54:55.383 When you crave, that satisfaction you get[br]is kind of hollow and empty, 0:54:55.383,0:54:59.463 and you crave while you are doing it,[br]and the craving soon re-arises again, 0:54:59.463,0:55:02.929 it's very hollow kind of[br]satisfaction you get there. 0:55:02.929,0:55:07.445 But the happiness that you get through[br]living well, through doing the right thing 0:55:07.445,0:55:11.935 is a satisfaction, a happiness,[br]that has no craving coming with it. 0:55:11.935,0:55:17.290 There is no craving there, it is a[br]happiness that is in the present moment, 0:55:17.290,0:55:21.803 and because of that, it is a peaceful[br]and beautiful kind of happiness. 0:55:21.803,0:55:25.658 This is already just by living well,[br]just by living with kindness, 0:55:25.658,0:55:30.498 by living with care, living with honesty[br]and doing the right things in the world. 0:55:30.498,0:55:34.499 And as you keep on doing this,[br]you get into meditation, you come here to 0:55:34.499,0:55:38.399 the Dhammaloka Centre on Fridays, [br]maybe you come to the Saturday meditation, 0:55:38.399,0:55:42.083 maybe you start coming to Jhana Grove,[br]doing some retreats or whatever, 0:55:42.083,0:55:46.711 as you do that, you are deepening your[br]meditation gradually gradually over time, 0:55:46.711,0:55:51.778 and as your meditation gets deeper,[br]that happiness that you started getting 0:55:51.778,0:55:56.240 just by living in a kind way gets[br]more and more internalised, 0:55:56.240,0:55:59.385 more and more you find this[br]through your meditation practice, 0:55:59.385,0:56:03.235 just by sitting inside of yourself,[br]being inside of yourself, 0:56:03.235,0:56:08.038 finding that true refuge within,[br]the happiness, the joy, becomes 0:56:08.038,0:56:11.008 more and more powerful,[br]more and more in the present moment, 0:56:11.008,0:56:16.989 more and more unified, until one day[br]you reach a full state of samādhi, 0:56:16.989,0:56:22.108 a full state, a deep state of meditation[br]practice. And when you do that, one day, 0:56:22.108,0:56:26.903 you realise that you have found[br]a complete sense of satisfaction, 0:56:26.903,0:56:30.433 a complete sense of fulfillment. 0:56:30.433,0:56:33.510 There is no further goal,[br]there is nowhere else to go. 0:56:33.510,0:56:39.448 Before you were always driven by craving,[br]driven by desires. The craving always 0:56:39.448,0:56:43.643 promising you satisfaction, yeah?[br]If you think about it, whenever you think 0:56:43.643,0:56:47.442 about a relationship or think about any[br]sensual objects in the world, 0:56:47.442,0:56:51.338 there is always a promise of[br]satisfaction there, but it doesn't last. 0:56:51.338,0:56:55.488 And even when you have it, it's not all[br]that interesting. Craving is still there. 0:56:55.488,0:56:59.654 But here for the first time in your life,[br]you find absolute satisfaction. 0:56:59.654,0:57:02.996 Craving is completely gone.[br]There is no desire anymore. 0:57:02.996,0:57:06.828 There is no drive to go anywhere else.[br]So what is that? 0:57:06.828,0:57:10.977 Well what that is,[br]and this is why it is so profound, 0:57:10.977,0:57:13.173 what you have found, you have found 0:57:13.173,0:57:16.899 the answer to the very meaning, [br]the question of the meaning of life. 0:57:16.899,0:57:20.512 The moment there is no more drive[br]anymore, there is no more will, 0:57:20.512,0:57:24.625 there is no more craving, there is no more[br]to go. You have found something 0:57:24.625,0:57:27.262 where you find complete contentment[br]and satisfaction. 0:57:27.262,0:57:32.007 The whole inside has been filled up, [br]there is no more itch there, 0:57:32.007,0:57:34.676 all that is gone, complete satisfaction, 0:57:34.676,0:57:38.136 that is the answer to the question of[br]the meaning of life. 0:57:38.136,0:57:40.709 You have discovered[br]the very meaning of life itself. 0:57:40.709,0:57:43.362 This is what the Buddhist path promises, 0:57:43.362,0:57:47.342 this is why it is so extraordinary[br]exceptional and profound, 0:57:47.342,0:57:50.616 it really gives you the answer to[br]the meaning of life. 0:57:50.616,0:57:54.948 And I think if we can just[br]grasp that and get that, 0:57:54.948,0:57:59.328 from that comes that commitment[br]and perseverance to the Buddhist path, 0:57:59.328,0:58:02.105 because you understand there is[br]nothing else to look for, 0:58:02.105,0:58:05.666 this is it, this is what[br]life actually is all about. 0:58:05.666,0:58:09.206 Of course, you may get into[br]that state of samādhi, 0:58:09.206,0:58:11.471 and then you may lose it again afterwards. 0:58:11.471,0:58:15.562 That is where the idea of insight comes.[br]The final analysis, 0:58:15.562,0:58:19.792 it is the insight, the understanding,[br]that kind of breaks this whole process, 0:58:19.792,0:58:22.432 and makes craving[br]stop once and for all. 0:58:22.432,0:58:25.496 And that is where you find [br]the final meaning of life through 0:58:25.496,0:58:29.595 the Buddhist practice. And this is what[br]this all is leading us towards, 0:58:29.595,0:58:34.594 towards that very sense of finding the[br]meaning of life, but to do that, 0:58:34.594,0:58:38.992 in the process, you also gradually[br]abandon all the sensual objects, 0:58:38.992,0:58:42.112 all the sensual desires in this world[br]you gradually abandon, 0:58:42.112,0:58:44.389 until one day you actually reach this. 0:58:44.389,0:58:47.597 And then you understand[br]what really life is about, 0:58:47.597,0:58:49.687 you understand the purpose of all of this, 0:58:49.687,0:58:55.552 and you understand why it was necessary[br]on that path to abandon these things. 0:58:55.552,0:58:59.339 So please don't go back home and think 0:58:59.339,0:59:02.463 you're going to abandon[br]all sensuality in one go, 0:59:02.463,0:59:05.503 chuck out all the nice things[br]in your life, don't do that, 0:59:05.503,0:59:07.751 just reflect on these things,[br]reflect on them, 0:59:07.751,0:59:12.023 think about them, see if they make sense[br]to you, internalise them so that 0:59:12.023,0:59:15.525 they become your wisdom rather than[br]the Buddha's wisdom or someone else's 0:59:15.525,0:59:18.929 wisdom, and as you internalise[br]these things, gradually, 0:59:18.929,0:59:22.889 your life will start to go down[br]a different path, all by itself, 0:59:22.889,0:59:26.889 and you will start to feel more satisfied,[br]you'll start to find more meaning in life, 0:59:26.889,0:59:31.564 and everything becomes much more[br]profound as a consequence. 0:59:31.564,0:59:35.366 Okay, that is all for tonight. 0:59:35.366,0:59:46.800 (Audience) Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu. 0:59:46.800,0:59:50.066 OK, would anyone...[br]Thank you very much. 0:59:50.066,1:00:04.058 Would anyone like to ask any questions[br]or comment or anything like that? 1:00:04.058,1:00:07.719 (Questioner) Ajahn, suttas about[br]stream winners enjoying 1:00:07.719,1:00:17.275 sensual pleasures...I just, you know,[br]I wonder about, our chances.. (laughter) 1:00:17.275,1:00:22.473 (Ajhan) Well, it's a long path, and even[br]though you have full insight into reality, 1:00:22.473,1:00:26.202 if you are a stream-enterer,[br]especially if you are layperson, 1:00:26.202,1:00:29.862 the reality is that you don't often have[br]time to do any meditation practice, 1:00:29.862,1:00:33.343 and when you don't have time, you're[br]gonna seek for happiness somewhere else, 1:00:33.343,1:00:36.919 so you seek for that happiness again[br]in sensuality. So it's natural, 1:00:36.919,1:00:40.335 but the mind of a stream-enterer will[br]incline towards meditation, 1:00:40.335,1:00:45.543 you always want to go back to that, and your[br]indulgence would be very kind of basic, 1:00:45.543,1:00:49.094 would be at a very low level compared to[br]the indulgence of the vast majority of people. 1:00:49.094,1:00:52.653 So don't worry about the chances you have,[br]it's not really about the chances, 1:00:52.653,1:00:55.263 what it's about is whether you're[br]going in the right direction. 1:00:55.263,1:00:57.424 As long as you're[br]going to the right direction, 1:00:57.424,1:01:01.036 as long as you see a change in your life,[br]if you keep on going, 1:01:01.036,1:01:04.676 eventually you have to get there, as long[br]as the change kind of keeps on going, 1:01:04.676,1:01:12.091 eventually you're gonna have to reach[br]whatever goal that is that you aspire for. 1:01:12.091,1:01:15.143 Okay, anyone else?[br]Yeah, please don't be shy. 1:01:15.143,1:01:19.047 If you have never asked a question before,[br]this is the chance, yeah, first time, 1:01:19.047,1:01:25.394 is always good, is everybody happy,[br]yeah? Nobody wants to ask questions? 1:01:25.394,1:01:30.103 Okay, good, so I don't know if that[br]means you are entirely convinced, 1:01:30.103,1:01:34.166 or you are utterly sceptical,[br]but it doesn't really matter, 1:01:34.166,1:01:37.022 so lets just take a few questions[br]from overseas then, 1:01:37.022,1:01:41.260 there's three questions from overseas.[br]The first one is from Wolfram, 1:01:41.260,1:01:47.073 from Germany, and he asks,[br]"are you free to enjoy everything, 1:01:47.073,1:01:52.740 "as long as you are not attached to it?[br]Just letting go of desires be 1:01:52.740,1:01:58.356 "a natural and gradual loss of interest,[br]and not by denial or suppression of joy?" 1:01:58.356,1:02:06.541 I would say that you should enjoy life,[br]this is I think an important thing, 1:02:06.541,1:02:11.160 the idea that it is possible to live[br]life without enjoyment and just kind of, 1:02:11.160,1:02:17.262 you know, live, have no joy, kind of[br]enter all the happiness of the path, 1:02:17.262,1:02:21.664 I think that is impossible, so make sure that[br]you enjoy the ordinary happinesses of life, 1:02:21.664,1:02:26.647 and let it be a gradual movement,[br]a gradual reduction of the happiness 1:02:26.647,1:02:30.693 coming from sensuality, and a gradual[br]increase in the happiness coming from 1:02:30.693,1:02:33.573 practice in the path.[br]That is really the ideal way, 1:02:33.573,1:02:37.663 so you don't feel that you are deprived[br]of happiness and joy in your life. 1:02:37.663,1:02:41.412 At the same time, the idea that you are[br]going to enjoy it without being 1:02:41.412,1:02:44.211 attached to it, [br]that's really impossible, yeah? 1:02:44.211,1:02:46.934 You are going to attach to it,[br]you have no choice, 1:02:46.934,1:02:51.524 attachment is a natural expression[br]of the ego. If you have an ego, 1:02:51.524,1:02:54.349 unless if you are a stream-enterer,[br]arahant, again, 1:02:54.349,1:02:57.287 you are going to attach to things,[br]that's what the ego does, 1:02:57.287,1:03:00.906 that's one of the aspects of ego.[br]So don't worry about it so much 1:03:00.906,1:03:04.445 if you are attached, a little bit of[br]attachment is gonna be there, 1:03:04.445,1:03:08.283 move your attachment towards things[br]that are more worthy of attachment. 1:03:08.283,1:03:13.673 Attach a little bit to your precepts,[br]to your kindness, to compassion, 1:03:13.673,1:03:18.033 to all of these positive things, and if[br]you attach more to the positive things, 1:03:18.033,1:03:22.111 you can let go of attachment[br]a little bit to the bad things. Yeah? 1:03:22.111,1:03:26.301 I'm saying "bad" to things that are[br]not as lofty and so noble. 1:03:26.301,1:03:30.053 And gradually as you do that,[br]you are kind of moving, 1:03:30.053,1:03:35.626 kind of climbing up the ladder,[br]if you like, reaching for a higher rung, 1:03:35.626,1:03:38.763 attaching to a higher rung, letting go[br]of the lower rungs, 1:03:38.763,1:03:41.575 attaching to higher things.[br]And as you do that, 1:03:41.575,1:03:45.375 your attachment actually becomes[br]lighter as you move up the ladder. 1:03:45.375,1:03:48.630 Attachments to sensual pleasures[br]are very hard and sticky, 1:03:48.630,1:03:51.002 the higher up you go,[br]the lighter it becomes, 1:03:51.002,1:03:56.424 until eventually all attachment is gone.[br]So that's okay. So don't worry too much 1:03:56.424,1:04:00.684 if there is a bit of attachment there,[br]rather try to move to higher kinds 1:04:00.684,1:04:06.364 of attachment, and let go of the lower[br]ones, and don't force the path, 1:04:06.364,1:04:09.678 I think one of the things that is so[br]important on the Buddhist path is 1:04:09.678,1:04:14.076 to enjoy it, to make sure that it is[br]delightful and enjoyable, 1:04:14.076,1:04:18.596 and if you do that, you're gonna end up[br]on this Buddhist path for a long long time. 1:04:18.596,1:04:22.565 But if you make it miserable, if you make[br]it too hard, too difficult for yourself, 1:04:22.565,1:04:26.329 there's no way you are going to be able[br]to sustain it in the long run. 1:04:26.329,1:04:31.832 So please do that, and then you hopefully[br]will be around for a long time. 1:04:31.832,1:04:34.547 Anyway, nice to hear from you Wolfram. 1:04:34.547,1:04:41.333 Number 2, this is from Hadeel from Israel,[br]"how can we overcome the physical craving 1:04:41.333,1:04:45.249 "to someone we are[br]romantically in love with?" 1:04:45.249,1:04:49.946 Umm, probably cannot, yeah?[br]This is the problem, probably, probably 1:04:49.946,1:04:55.707 can't do that, so don't worry too much[br]about it, practice the path to the best of 1:04:55.707,1:04:59.507 your ability without trying to overcome[br]those things, it's... you know, 1:04:59.507,1:05:02.617 if you are in a romantic relationship, [br]well that's the reason why you 1:05:02.617,1:05:05.328 are there is partly because of that,[br]otherwise you wouldn't be 1:05:05.328,1:05:07.300 in that romantic relationship probably. 1:05:07.300,1:05:09.915 So that's kind of part of the deal[br]when you are there, 1:05:09.915,1:05:14.509 so just think about these similes,[br]practice the path and see what it leads you. 1:05:14.509,1:05:16.901 Who knows where it's gonna lead you[br]in the future, 1:05:16.901,1:05:20.783 but you cannot really overcome that craving[br]while you are in a romantic relationship. 1:05:20.783,1:05:24.458 So just practice, see what happens,[br]maybe down the track, 1:05:24.458,1:05:26.987 something will happen,[br]and maybe things will change, 1:05:26.987,1:05:33.513 but in the meantime, just, you know,[br]take that as the part of the deal 1:05:33.513,1:05:36.687 when you are into[br]that kind of relationship. 1:05:36.687,1:05:40.331 Number 3, is Evy from USA, [br]"can attachment to wholesome things 1:05:40.331,1:05:44.766 "such as a spiritual practice also have[br]the potential to become a form of 1:05:44.766,1:05:48.613 "sensual pleasure, if approached[br]in the wrong way?" 1:05:48.613,1:05:53.343 Um.. it can never be a sensual pleasure 1:05:53.343,1:05:56.913 because attachment to spiritual[br]practice is not sensual, 1:05:56.913,1:06:00.759 it's a different kind of attachment, and[br]as I just said, I think a little bit of 1:06:00.759,1:06:04.839 attachment to your spiritual practice[br]actually is very good thing, 1:06:04.839,1:06:07.586 because if you have no[br]attachments to your precepts, 1:06:07.586,1:06:10.355 what's gonna happen? [br]You're not gonna keep them, basically 1:06:10.355,1:06:13.909 that's what is that it is, because there's[br]always gonna be some desire that wants 1:06:13.909,1:06:17.435 to override the precepts, so if you have no[br]attachment, you shrug your shoulders, 1:06:17.435,1:06:21.247 "oh yeah, whatever," and do whatever you[br]want to do. So a little bit of attachment, 1:06:21.247,1:06:24.598 a little bit of commitment, maybe is [br]a better word of putting it, 1:06:24.598,1:06:28.332 a bit of commitment to these precepts[br]is actually quite important, 1:06:28.332,1:06:30.781 otherwise you'll never[br]really gonna get there. 1:06:30.781,1:06:34.498 So generally speaking, I would say[br]a little bit of attachment to the Buddhist 1:06:34.498,1:06:39.315 path is good, yeah? Okay, I mean, I am[br]proud of being a Buddhist myself, 1:06:39.315,1:06:42.814 and I certainly have some attachment to[br]that path, otherwise I wouldn't be 1:06:42.814,1:06:46.597 a monk anymore, I would be doing[br]all kinds of other stuff instead. 1:06:46.597,1:06:50.978 So a little bit of attachment is good,[br]but not too much attachment, 1:06:50.978,1:06:54.313 not wrong kind of attachment,[br]not attachment that leads you to arguing, 1:06:54.313,1:06:57.767 for example, a lot with a lot of other people.[br]"I believe in rebirth" 1:06:57.767,1:07:01.145 "What? You fool! Believing in rebirth.."[br]"No, rebirth is true!" ... yeah? 1:07:01.145,1:07:04.183 That kind of stuff. And when you get into[br]that sort of thing, 1:07:04.183,1:07:09.852 it becomes problematic. And also be[br]careful where your attachment is: 1:07:09.852,1:07:13.192 don't attach too much to individuals, 1:07:13.192,1:07:16.732 this is one, I think, of the[br]great dangers on the spiritual path, 1:07:16.732,1:07:20.074 you see that everywhere around the world[br]in spiritual matters, 1:07:20.074,1:07:23.844 people are attaching to gurus,[br]people are attaching to teachers, 1:07:23.844,1:07:27.284 and that can lead to lots of problems,[br]it can lead to abuse, 1:07:27.284,1:07:31.415 it can also lead to a lot of[br]distress if that person 1:07:31.415,1:07:33.606 decides to disrobe,[br]for example, yeah? 1:07:33.606,1:07:36.380 You're attached to someone,[br]you think, "yeah, they're an arahant" 1:07:36.380,1:07:38.234 I've seen this so many times. 1:07:38.234,1:07:41.230 It is so hard as a layperson to know[br]who's an arahant, yeah? 1:07:41.230,1:07:42.796 You project onto people, 1:07:42.796,1:07:45.566 you think, "yeah, this person they[br]are definitely an arahant." 1:07:45.566,1:07:49.349 And the next day they are married,[br]yeah? "Wait a minute, what happened??" 1:07:49.349,1:07:53.248 So be very careful with that,[br]it's very very difficult sometimes, 1:07:53.248,1:07:56.078 some people can be very charismatic,[br]they can be good speakers, 1:07:56.078,1:07:58.837 they can have all this kind of[br]magnetic personality or whatever, 1:07:58.837,1:08:00.429 and you are drawn to them, 1:08:00.429,1:08:02.964 and then just as you're[br]drawn to them - bang! 1:08:02.964,1:08:08.424 They're kind of doing all kind of[br]dodgy stuff, and that's always a bad thing. 1:08:08.424,1:08:11.713 So, attach in the right way,[br]attach with a sense of care, 1:08:11.713,1:08:16.094 always investigate, and as you do that,[br]there's nothing wrong with attachment, 1:08:16.094,1:08:19.828 in fact, attachment is part and parcel[br]of having a sense of self, 1:08:19.828,1:08:23.514 you can't really avoid it,[br]unless you are fully enlightened 1:08:23.514,1:08:30.560 or awakened yourself. [br]Okay, so those are my answers. 1:08:30.560,1:08:34.182 Anyone else want to say anything?[br]Everyone, happy or... 1:08:34.182,1:08:37.477 I'm not sure what you are,[br]but you are not asking questions anyway... 1:08:37.477,1:08:42.081 So let's pay respect to[br]the Buddha, Dhamma and Saṅgha. 1:08:42.081,1:08:47.229 (Ajahn faces to the Buddha statue.) 1:08:47.229,1:08:52.113 Arahaṃ sammā... [br](rest of chanting inaudible) 1:08:52.113,1:09:30.767 (rest of chanting inaudible)