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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.11,0:00:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}34c3 intro{\i0}\NHerald: Okay, so ladies and gentlemen
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.87,0:00:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katika Kühnreich. So did you all\Nthank the angels today? No, yes, maybe?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.72,0:00:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]\NHerald: Did you all took your prosĂm two
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.62,0:00:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today? No? Okay, see, Katika will tell you\Nabout the social credit system from China,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.20,0:00:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will tell you a little bit more about\Nhow a human being can be valued. She is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.57,0:01:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the magista in political science and\Nmodern and ancient Chinese science. She
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.83,0:01:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only has her theoretical knowledge\Nfrom books, but she always also combines
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.86,0:01:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it with the street study. So please\Nwelcome, with a very warm hand of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.36,0:01:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applause, Katika!\N[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.67,0:01:29.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katika: Hey guys, I'm happy to be here,\Nand first I want to thank all the people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.70,0:01:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who made that possible. This conference\Nand this talk; so thanks to all you, and a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.77,0:01:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,special thanks to all the people\Ntranslating.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.01,0:01:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]\NKatika: Before we start, I like to say a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.58,0:02:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few points. The first was the thank you,\Nwe already have. The second is I have to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.03,0:02:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apologize: English is not my mother tongue\Nso you will have some funny mistakes that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.93,0:02:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I make, so the Internet has a bit more\Nfun. Because the world can be (nice). The
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.39,0:02:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,second thing, is I will take you on a\Njourney through China's social credit
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.84,0:02:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system - its current state. And because we\Nonly have half an hour, more or less,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.23,0:02:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I'd really like to spend a lot of\Ntime with you guys on talks, on discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.51,0:02:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and QA, we have to leave a lot of\Ninteresting sites out. So there were some
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.70,0:02:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,excellent talks on the CCC about\Ntechnological aspects of Internet and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.16,0:02:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet usage in China. I will\Nconcentrate really hard on this social
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.98,0:02:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,credit system. But if you have questions,\Nplease ask in the Q&A. The Q&A will not be
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.27,0:03:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recorded, so you can feel free. And if you\Nhave more questions, just contact me after
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.02,0:03:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the talk. And, it's a China topic and\Noften when you talk about China, people
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.56,0:03:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say "oh yeah, oh yeah: that's China." This\Nis no China bashing session - I'm sorry
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.46,0:03:27.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for anyone who expected that. China has a\Ngovernment, and a government wants to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.95,0:03:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control something. So this talk is about\Nsocial credit systems in China but it is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.44,0:03:40.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a tendency I see internationally.\NIt's the tendency to answer social
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.42,0:03:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problems with technological solutions, or\Nat least it's the try. So please keep in
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.21,0:03:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mind: it's happening in China, but it's\Nnot that we are safe in the West or cozy
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.42,0:04:00.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anything else. So it's meant as an\Nexample of an international tendency. And
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.39,0:04:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I prepared some cards, so I will stick to\Nthe topic. I have to look at them from
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.32,0:04:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time to time. This talk presents my\Ncurrent state of research; it's not the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.01,0:04:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truth. And this talked sadly represents my\Ncurrent state of my cold as well, so I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.28,0:04:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not totally fed please apologized that as\Nwell. For a little journey I prepared a
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.29,0:04:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couple of stops. The first one will be a\Nvideo from 2015 made by Extra Credit on
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.83,0:04:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social credit systems in China. So if you\Ndon't like the talk, you have seven and a
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.14,0:04:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,half minutes to just vanish - nobody will\Nnotice. The next point will be "Updates
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.53,0:04:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Corrections" - it's a video from\N2015, and there's some faulty information
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.13,0:04:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in it. And to do that, I will give you a\Nquick look at the Chinese Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.71,0:05:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,landscape. The next point will be the\Ncurrent state of social credit systems. If
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.33,0:05:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say SCS: it's the same - I'm just lazy.\NAnd there's one question often not
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.52,0:05:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answered when talking about the Chinese\Ncredit system - it's why is it happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.80,0:05:27.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again it's not because it's an evil\Ngovernment. It's a government. So we'll
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.99,0:05:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dive in some ideological aspects of\NChinese politics today. And in the end,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.90,0:05:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm really looking forward to that point\Nbecause I can shut a bit up and listen to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.04,0:05:47.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your thoughts and we're really interested\Nin that. So, everyone ready? Cozy? That's
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.57,0:05:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wonderful, thanks! Then we can start with\Nthe video; that isn't it shown right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.29,0:06:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we need some technical support. It's\Nmuch more fun when you see the pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.59,0:06:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we have time, so.\NHerald: Do we have the (tv guys) here?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.47,0:06:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katika: We got free water!\NHerald: Gentlemen, I think we have a
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.09,0:06:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical problem here, so while the VOC\Nand my stage manager is trying to get some
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.61,0:06:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people from there. Yes he will do this -\Nhe's a good guy. He's the best guy!
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.46,0:06:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gentlemen, ladies, applause for the VOC!\N[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.06,0:06:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So while we're waiting to have the\Nvideo; and trust me it looked really good
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.69,0:06:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from here. Let's play a little game -\Nlater we will have a Q&A session but
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.39,0:07:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately we are not allowed or we we\Ncan't record the Q&A session, and we will
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.26,0:07:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also not video stream the Q&A session. So\NI would like you to have a quick hand of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.94,0:07:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,applause for all of you, because you will\Nhave a great discussion with this nice
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.77,0:07:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lady and therefore we try to make applause\N- we test the applause.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.97,0:07:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katika: Okay\N[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.07,0:07:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: No no no, that should be louder -\Ncome on!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.40,0:07:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]\NHerald: Okay we still have no video, but I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.60,0:07:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think over there I did not hear any\Napplause. Could you, could you please try
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.58,0:07:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it again?\N[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.52,0:07:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Yeah, better, better. I think\Nthese guys are way better. Are they? Come
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.74,0:08:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on!\N[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.74,0:08:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katika: Otherwise I can use the time to\Ngive you some information I'd present you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.26,0:08:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after the video. Thank you. The\Ninformation you get in the video is based
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.14,0:08:25.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a press release of the American Civil\NLiberties Union, and that contains some
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.90,0:08:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mistakes. One thing - when you want to\Nknow something about China, the government
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.63,0:08:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really open in publishing what they're\Ndoing, and what they're planning to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.13,0:08:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's seems to be much more comfortable\Nto just copy, but maybe have a look into
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.98,0:08:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the government says because it's a\Ngood way to find out what they are doing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.34,0:08:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're scaring the open. It works\Nwith a lot of governments. And I realized
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.55,0:09:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that because this video had a lot of\Nimpact, and there was a lot of news report
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.86,0:09:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on that scary system in China but when you\Nlooked at the news report and you had the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.65,0:09:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video before, you found out that it was\Nmore or less the same, the very same, as
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.74,0:09:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the video even years later. So please\Nif you want to find something out - check
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.88,0:09:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for facts. They might be online too. So\Nthat's the picture, and that's my break.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.18,0:09:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Video: Okay, so one you recently brought\Nthis to our attention, and when we first
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.78,0:09:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started looking into it, we couldn't\Nbelieve it. Even now looking at this I
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.40,0:09:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,keep thinking that there's got to be\Nsomething about this that I just don't
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.29,0:09:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand, like, I must be reading this\Nwrong. It's just so clearly something out
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.51,0:09:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of dystopian science fiction. And yet,\Nhere it is in our world, and people are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.77,0:09:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually embracing it. Apparently China\Nhas gamified being an obedient citizen.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.07,0:10:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Music]\NVideo: Going under the innocuous name of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.85,0:10:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sesame Credit, China has created a score\Nfor how good a citizen you are, and that's
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.25,0:10:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the scariest things I've heard in\Nquite a while. It's jointly run by
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.42,0:10:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tencent, yes that Tencent - the one that\Nowns Riot Games and has a significant
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.44,0:10:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share in Epic and Activision-Blizzard, and\Nalso the ascendant Chinese competitor to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.71,0:10:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazon, Alibaba, hence the name Sesame. So\Nthe owners of China's largest social
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.23,0:10:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,networks have partnered with the\Ngovernments to create something akin to
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.15,0:10:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the US credit score. But instead of\Nmeasuring how regularly you pay your
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.15,0:10:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bills, it measures how obediently you\Nfollow the party line. They dredge data
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.86,0:10:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from your social network, so if you post\Npictures of Tiananmen Square, or share a
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.47,0:10:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,link about the recent stock market\Ncollapse, your Sesame Credit score goes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.31,0:10:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down. Share a link from the state-\Nsponsored news agency about how good the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.67,0:10:49.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economy is doing and your score goes up.\NThe Alibaba and Tencent are also the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.71,0:10:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,largest online retailers in China so\NSesame Credit is also able to pull data
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.95,0:10:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from your purchases. If you're making\Npurchases the state deems valuable like
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.68,0:11:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,work shoes or local agricultural products,\Nyour score goes up. If you import anime
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.37,0:11:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Japan, though, down the score goes.\NAnd this score has real-world
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.34,0:11:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consequences. Like many games, Sesame\NCredit has tiers and levels, and having a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.40,0:11:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,high score gives you special benefits -\Nlike making it easier to get the paperwork
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.31,0:11:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to travel. Or making it easier to\Nget a loan. Now currently, there are no
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.38,0:11:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consequences for having a low score but\Nthere's been talk about implementing
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.98,0:11:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,penalties once the system becomes\Nmandatory in 2020. Penalties like slower
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.51,0:11:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet speeds for low scoring citizens.\NOr even restricting the jobs that a low
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.55,0:11:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scoring person's allowed to hold. But\Nthere's one more layer to Sesame Credit,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.49,0:11:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and here's where this goes from being\Nrepulsive to downright insidious. Because
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.25,0:11:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is all part of a social network it\Nalso scans your friends -
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.87,0:11:46.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you will lose points for having friends\Nwith low obedience scores. And it tells
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.19,0:11:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you this. At any point, anybody can check\Nanyone elses score. And when you check
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.54,0:11:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your own score, Sesame Credit provides a\Nhandy map of your friends to show you who
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.54,0:11:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is dragging your score down. Have you ever\Nhad that thing where you play a game with
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.44,0:12:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody who wasn't doing very well and\Nyou've tried to change their behavior to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.98,0:12:05.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make them do better? Or maybe after a\Nwhile you just sort of stopped playing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.45,0:12:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the people who are holding you back.\NThat's at the heart of how this system
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.17,0:12:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,works, and it's also what makes this one\Nof the most terrifying tools of
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.68,0:12:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authoritarian oppression I've ever read\Nabout. Because like mass censorship, jail
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.22,0:12:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, assassinations - those are all big\Nmessy implements for keeping a population
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.46,0:12:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in line. That messiness and severity\Nfoster resentment - eventually rebellion.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.30,0:12:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're expensive, they're unwieldy - in\Nthe end, those tools are impossible to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.89,0:12:34.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maintain. But social pressure?\NOstracization? Those things are free -
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.46,0:12:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they happen on their own. And as a\Ngovernment tool they don't have nearly the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.90,0:12:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same potential for going embarrassingly\Ndisastrously wrong. With a system like
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.52,0:12:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this in place, a government doesn't even\Nhave to tell neighbor to spy on neighbor;
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.38,0:12:50.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to rat each other out. Because that's all\Nbuilt into a seemingly innocuous game
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.87,0:12:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system. The government need not step in.\NRe-education will be handled for them by
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.23,0:12:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,friends, classmates, and relatives who\Nwant to maintain a high score. And if that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.44,0:13:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't work then potentially dangerous\Nideas still end up quarantined by the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.97,0:13:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social isolation this game system causes.\NExpress or help to spread to many radical
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.13,0:13:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas, and people will stop associating\Nwith you. And not because some jackbooted
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.89,0:13:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thugs showed up at the door with threats,\Nbut simply because associating with
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.62,0:13:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody with those ideas will lose them\Nall the privileges they've worked so hard
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.35,0:13:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to obtain. It recontextualizes obedience\Nto an authoritarian regime.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.82,0:13:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the past, you obeyed such powers\Nbecause you were afraid. Fear kept you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.10,0:13:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,motivated. But fear is negative. It\Nfosters resentment. The world we're
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.81,0:13:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stepping into instead uses positive\Nreinforcement to promote being subservient
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.87,0:13:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the will of the regime. It's Big\NBrother's kinder, gentler hand. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.16,0:13:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things that make this scary is that we've\Nseen the efficacy of this only too well in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.90,0:13:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,games. You may not actually know this, but\Nwhen World of Warcraft was in its early
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.33,0:13:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stages of development, it had an unrested\Npenalty mechanic that started limiting
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.63,0:13:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experienced gains for players who had\Nplayed too much. And players hated it -
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.75,0:14:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they resented it they complained about it\Nevery day. So after brainstorming on this
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.12,0:14:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a while, Blizzard had the idea to\Nsimply change how the mechanic was
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.47,0:14:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presented. Without changing any of the\Nexisting numbers or systems, they started
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.54,0:14:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,referring to the unrested experience state\Nas normal, and made it the default. And
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.65,0:14:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they started calling the original normal\Nexperience gained state as rested. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.40,0:14:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all they changed, and everybody loved it.\NPeople would log on every day just to get
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.34,0:14:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that bonus. Positive reinforcement works\Nwonders. But unlike World of Warcraft,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.40,0:14:31.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which built a system just to get people to\Nembrace meaningless grinding, Sesame
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.90,0:14:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Credit has built a system to get people to\Nenjoy falling into line. Now the system's
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.48,0:14:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not mandatory yet - it's opt-in right now.\NBut it's going to be mandatory in 2020,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.40,0:14:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a terrible brilliance to\Nphasing that in. The early adopters are
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.76,0:14:49.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be people excited about this\Nsystem. People who are already patriotic
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.39,0:14:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are eager for anything that'll help\Ndisplay that patriotism to the world. And,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.28,0:14:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as early adopters they're gonna talk it\Nup. They're gonna give it an air of being
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.64,0:15:00.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positive and fun.\NThen it'll be foisted on the society as a
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.33,0:15:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole. More than that though, the early\Nadopters are gonna compete. Already you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.26,0:15:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can see hundreds of thousands of tweets\Ndisplaying people's high scores or showing
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.36,0:15:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off the new milestones they've hit. Giving\Na hard numbers to their patriotism and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.22,0:15:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,giving them bragging rights for being the\Nmost patriotic, most right-thinking person
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.30,0:15:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they know. And that's gonna set the tone\Nfor how Sesame Credit is intended to be
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.22,0:15:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used - as a competition to see who can\Nagree with the government the most. We've
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.52,0:15:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talked about propaganda games on this\Nchannel before but for all the time we've
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.05,0:15:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spent examining and deconstructing\Nterrible games that espouse hate and for
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.17,0:15:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the studies on propaganda games James\Nhas done, this is the use of game systems
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.30,0:15:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that frightens me the most. Because to\Nmost people Sesame Credit will seem
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.13,0:15:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,benign. Perhaps even fun - it's a\Nconversation starter, something to share
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.90,0:15:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with your friends. But it's making heavy\Nuse of all the psychological motivators
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.93,0:15:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we Gamemakers deploy in scoring\Nsystems, and ladders and levels. Systems
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.27,0:15:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we built to shape play habits and to\Nkeep people coming back. Like I said, I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.43,0:15:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still kind of in a state of disbelief\Nlooking at this. If any of you are
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.53,0:16:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching this from China, please tell me\Nif I'm misunderstanding this thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.10,0:16:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I would love to be wrong about it.\NIf not, well, I hope this episode can do
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.41,0:16:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some small amount to help the fight to\Nkeep such a system from becoming
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.86,0:16:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mandatory. For everyone in the rest of the\Nworld, I hope this helps remind us all how
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.62,0:16:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important it is to be aware and to be\Nvigilant. All of these gamification
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.83,0:16:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,techniques we've learned through making\Ngames offer incredible opportunities for
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.41,0:16:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making this world a better more engaging\Nplace. But every great tool carries with
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.88,0:16:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it the potential for misuse. And it's on\Nus as a community who understands this
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.78,0:16:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amazing new medium, to do what we can to\Nstop that. We'll see you next week.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.24,0:16:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]\NKatika: So, we had the shedule, and thank
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.15,0:16:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you to Extra Credit for this video, and\Nthank you for concentrating on
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.79,0:17:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gamification. Because a lot of time, when\NI talk to social scientists, without a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.56,0:17:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of technological knowledge, it was like\Nokay - it's a new system. And the whole
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.47,0:17:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gamification thing triggered me, and I\Nwondered about a lot of people who didn't
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.84,0:17:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem too interested in it. Because I said\Nthat the video contains some faulty
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.80,0:17:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information. First, I'd like to\Nconcentrate on key aspects they told us in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.03,0:17:39.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this video. There is a social rating\Nsystem in China now. The system will
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.95,0:17:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become mandatory in 2020. That's all\Nright. It works on Big Data algorithms,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.80,0:17:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,artificial intelligence, and your online\Nand offline data. And it uses technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.32,0:18:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like gamification and nudging. And if you\Nhear it's an Orwellian system - no it's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.40,0:18:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not. 1984 was about force. Gamification is\Nabout feeling good and cozy. So, in the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.62,0:18:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updates and corrections, I promise you a\Nquick look at the end Chinese internet
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.94,0:18:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,landscape. What most people already know.\NFrom the beginning the Chinese government
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.08,0:18:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started to control the internet as much as\Nit could and its users. So some
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.94,0:18:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vocabularies you might have heard are the\NGreat Firewall, or its new extra the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.65,0:18:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Golden Shield, the Great Cannon, which is\Na DDoS weapon. It would be really
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.73,0:18:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fascinating to dive in there, but we have\Nto watch from far. Another point that's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.58,0:19:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really interesting for us looking Social\NCredit System is true name or real name
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.73,0:19:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registration. Which means you can't use a\Nlot of services if you don't give them
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.92,0:19:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your ID number. And the mandatory system\Nin 2020 will work on ID numbers as far as
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.72,0:19:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we know. So, we watched the other side:\Nthe users, their millions of users - it's
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.90,0:19:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one more than 1.4 billion people in China.\NAnd ICTs are really popular. Much more
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.91,0:19:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than in Germany, for example. And another\Nthing that please keep in mind - cash is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.08,0:19:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vanishing in China.\NA couple of years ago, for example, when I
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.18,0:19:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lived in China 2004: I paid my rent in\Ncash half a year in advance. When I paid
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.19,0:19:55.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for anything I paid cash. You could\Ncouldn't find a lot of places accepting
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.81,0:20:02.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cards. But now China didn't have this\Ndevelopment of cards - they just jumped
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.42,0:20:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right through paying with mobile apps. And\Nyou can buy noodles or snack or magazine
Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.53,0:20:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with your mobile phone. And the Chinese\Nusers found multiple ways to deal with
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.12,0:20:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,censorship, and to trespass it. It's a\Nwonderful thing to look up.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.28,0:20:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now, the big players of the Chinese\NInternet, because we learned some names in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.60,0:20:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the film. I made something very Chinese -\NI made something colorful. Okay, you have
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.39,0:20:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three big players: its Alibaba and Tencent\N- we heard about them, and Baidu is the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.63,0:20:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,third biggest player. Each millions of\Nusers, or billions. So to explain this, I
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.55,0:20:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will use some American companies names to\Nhelp understanding. And Baidu is known for
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.60,0:21:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that; was the wrong; yeah, Baidu is known\Nfor Baidu Barker - this is like the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.27,0:21:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chinese Wikipedia, it's just a bit much\Ncontrolled. And a have Baidu Pay, and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.62,0:21:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Baidu is huge in artificial intelligence.\NSo the next one is Tencent - we learned
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.40,0:21:24.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the gaming thing. And developed QQ -\Nthis is a messenger than some of you might
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.55,0:21:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remember: ICQ. Yeah, it's just a bit\Nbigger. Another app a lot of people don't
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.86,0:21:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think it's Chinese, it is Chinese, it's\Ncalled WeChat. It's I can say they even
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.89,0:21:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mmm WhatsApp, right? And guess what WeChat\Ndeveloped - WeChat Pay. And there's
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.28,0:21:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another little company Tencent holds some\Nparts in its SnapChat - it's twelve
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.32,0:22:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent owned by Tencent. Alibaba has\NAlipay which is one of the biggest payment
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.32,0:22:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apps. And you can even use it in Germany\Nnow I think, in some shops. It's running
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.96,0:22:16.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Taobao Wang, which is like eBay just a bit\Nbigger. And Sina Weibo. Weibo mains micro
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.49,0:22:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blogging or twittering. And Sina is the\Nbiggest company in China, and they hold
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.03,0:22:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more or less a third. Now we come to\Nsomething really interesting - it's Ant
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.68,0:22:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Financials. Because Ant Financials created\Nsomething called Sesame Credit. Sesame
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.97,0:22:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Credit is Ali Baba's child, not Tencent,\Nand Ali Baba's. Tencent developed their
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.27,0:22:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own system. So, updates and corrections\Nwithout colors. 2014 was the year the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.24,0:23:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chinese state council released a planning\Noutline on the construction of social
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.40,0:23:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,credit systems in China. And it gave us a\Nlot of information but only very few
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.99,0:23:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specific information. So, they started,\Nand in 2020 it will be managed mandatory.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.74,0:23:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they worked on for as long as at least\N2005.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.56,0:23:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It allows governmental and private SCS. So\Nyou have both. And eight companies are
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.01,0:23:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed to form their own private social\Ncredit systems. We learned Tencent and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.81,0:23:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alibaba are two of them. In different\Nregions, Hainan for example, it's an
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.89,0:23:52.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,island - you have social credit systems\Nrun by the government. So you see you have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.41,0:23:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of different systems running at the\Nsame time in different regions and
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.91,0:24:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes you can choose between different\Nsocial credit systems at the same place.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.14,0:24:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Sesame Credit we have learned is the\Nbiggest and run by Alibaba. And Sesame
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.24,0:24:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Credit is not the one who will be\Nmandatory. I have one other point that I
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.17,0:24:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forgot it might come back later. So, to\Ngive you a bit more information, let's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.75,0:24:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a quick look at recent developments\Nthat I thought of would be really
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.22,0:24:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting for you when you have that\Nscenario of a society that is formed by a
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.56,0:24:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,writing system. In 2016 there were some\Nnew guidelines on the SCS. New
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.46,0:25:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cybersecurity laws and you might expect it\Nthey are getting a bit harder and harder
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.02,0:25:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every time. And there was a police robot -\NI don't know if you heard about it I was
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.60,0:25:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to write an article but then we had\Na really nice conference that made us a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.03,0:25:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of work and my article died in the\Nway. So you might have watched Wall-E -
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.24,0:25:18.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was the movie couple of years ago.\NYou might remember Eve - there was a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.43,0:25:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little cute white robot that had a\Nspecialty - it could taser. Someone in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.25,0:25:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,China must have watched that movie too,\Nbecause guess what - it looks like Eve and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.69,0:25:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can tazer. You find pictures and\Nclips online. And the People's Bank of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.12,0:25:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,China announced its own digital currency\Nto come soon. They are working on it for
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.30,0:25:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years. And the real name registrations for\Nonline comments. So no real name
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.09,0:25:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registrations, no online comments. And in\N2020 - the mandatory Social Credit System.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.33,0:26:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next question is usually: how does the\Nsocial criticism work? And we take a quick
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.11,0:26:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at Sesame Credit because they added\Nmore and more services that Extra Credit
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.57,0:26:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guys could know about. So we learned a lot\Nof data mining they do.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.69,0:26:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, when you use AliPay it goes\Nto your scores. So your score gets higher
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.07,0:26:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and higher the more you shop with AliPay.\NThen other Alibaba services - we know
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.83,0:26:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are different and millions of\Nservices. And now it's getting special
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.25,0:26:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it draws information from\Nofficials as well. So we have information
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.07,0:26:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from courts, debtors registries, and\Nbecause love always makes everything
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.13,0:27:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better, you get your data from the biggest\Ndating app in China - it's Baihe. So you
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.16,0:27:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can see if the person you want to fall in\Nlove with have a good score. And of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.25,0:27:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course, they're including more and more\Nservices. And there are penalties now. If
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.79,0:27:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you forgot to pay your child support for a\Ncouple of month or years or; I have heard
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.46,0:27:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people can forget that for quite a long\Ntime. There are penalties: for example,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.82,0:27:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't take high-speed trains or first-\Nclass flight tickets. Which is a very
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.48,0:27:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intelligent way. Again, it's a very\Nintelligent way to add penalties because
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.56,0:27:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you start with people nobody likes,\Nnobody likes openly, it's clever. And of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.46,0:27:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course, the companies do not tell you a\Nlot about the technologies like they use
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.80,0:28:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the systems. So and then people want to\Nknow about the mandatory system, what it
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.14,0:28:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can do, how will it look and so on, and\Nthere's a very simple answer - we don't
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.12,0:28:20.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know. The Chinese government doesn't give\Nyou a lot of information on how it will
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.19,0:28:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look. But we can guess. In having a look\Non how the government worked in the last
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.96,0:28:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20-30 years. So, we can have a look how\Nthey prepare the mandatory system. Like I
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.09,0:28:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,said, different systems at the same time,\Nand they will learn from this. And my
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.22,0:28:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess is they will have like a little\Nmedley of the best features of the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.06,0:28:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,existing systems and get rid of the faulty\Nones. So, by best, I mean best from the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.39,0:29:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point of view of the government of course.\NSo now we are bit later because of our
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.98,0:29:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technological difficulties, thanks again\Nfor solving. Why do you have a Social
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.42,0:29:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Credit System?\NLet's dive a bit back in history. Some
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.38,0:29:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people might remember the year 1989.\NBefore you had a lot of countries that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.27,0:29:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called themselves socialists. But after,\Nyou had only a few and China is one of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.17,0:29:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them. And how did they make it? In the 80s\Nthey had something called the era of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.65,0:29:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reform and opening-up, where they opened\Nup to the West mostly, and to capitalism.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.44,0:29:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you might know what that means.\NChina's called the transformation society.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.76,0:29:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with some people getting rich quickly,\Nand a lot of people getting poorer and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.30,0:29:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,poorer and watching the rich - you have a\Nlot of social tension. And remember, China
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.99,0:30:06.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a huge country. A vast amount on\Npeople, and know people are really good in
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.11,0:30:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting on each other's nerves. So you\Nhave problems. I give you one number that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.00,0:30:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like - in 2014, the official\Ncount of mass incidents everyday was
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.38,0:30:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nearly 250. And the number is rising, so\Nit will be much more today. And a mass
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.13,0:30:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,incident can be anything from pensioners\Nholding up banners demanding more money
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.38,0:30:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they worked their whole lives, I'm\Nsorry, I really have to concentrate on not
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.01,0:30:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,swearing, to like, riots, full-grown\Nriots, petrol bombs, burning buildings.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.85,0:30:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, G20 in Hamburg, you might\Nhave heard. That's a mass incident. That's
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.90,0:30:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nothing to get crazy about, that's just a\Nlittle thing that happened. Hamburg is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.54,0:31:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still standing. And, thank you, hello\NHamburg.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.61,0:31:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]\NAnd keep in mind organized societies are
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.33,0:31:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controlled on different levels. That's not\Nonly China. And social control is usually
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.21,0:31:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done by groups, so it's much easier if we\Ncontrol each other. And it has the long
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.46,0:31:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,history in China too, and a lot of\Nsocialist countries develop new forms of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.37,0:31:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social control. So in China, you have a\NHukou - that means you can only get social
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.28,0:31:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services where you're permitted to live.\NI just give you a really really short
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.38,0:31:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,version of everything it's not it's a bit\Nmore complex as you know. The Tang on
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.94,0:31:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you can say it's an analog version a\Nlot of your stuff what you've done goes in
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.92,0:31:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there. You needed a marriage permit if you\Nwanted to get married and it wasn't easy
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.21,0:32:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to live without a married permit and as\NChina became more and more digitized you
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.15,0:32:13.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might know what comes next. Oh too anyone\Ncontrol became digitized as well and as
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.52,0:32:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people are using ICTs more and more they\Ncreate a huge amount of data. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.95,0:32:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bloody thing with data is you don't feel,\Nsmell or see anything vanishing, do you?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.73,0:32:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people it's helpful as humans to
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.39,0:32:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,develop something towards something we\Ncan't see smell or fear. And more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.97,0:32:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologies are used in civilians and\Nsocial control. But that still leaves the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.89,0:32:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question: why is China doing it? Let's\Ngo to another point I'd really interested
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.96,0:33:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in: ideological influences the way we see\Nthe world and the way we think about it
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.41,0:33:15.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is formed by theories, by ideologies and\Nwhat's the Chinese flag ? You see it
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.04,0:33:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, maybe you remember, some of you,\Nit's red with yellow stars - that usually
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.85,0:33:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a code for socialists and this is Mao\NZedong. He was kind of big in China. And
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.76,0:33:39.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you have - here you have three\Nsocialist symbols. It really helps to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.71,0:33:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know a bit about Marxism in researching\NChina and especially in Mao Zedong
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.56,0:33:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thought it's not called maoism it's\Ncalled more Zedong thought it's about what
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.49,0:33:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he thought and in this reform of opening\Nup - I'm trying to feed you a bit of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.58,0:34:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chinese history - the Chinese government\Nopened up to more. For example they opened
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.64,0:34:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up to nationalism. And if you know a bit\Nabout socialism, usually you wouldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.81,0:34:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put socialism and nationalism in one room,\Nbecause they didn't like each other. The
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.19,0:34:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chinese government found a way they like\Neach other. They got really interested
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.84,0:34:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in PR and they really research other\Ncountries how governments there stood in
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.02,0:34:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power. And some are not so well known to\Nmost of us this is Confucius.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.63,0:34:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Confucianism shaped and molded the\NChinese societies for more than 2,000
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.25,0:34:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years. And if you have that big\Ninfluence, you can't just get rid of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.99,0:34:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's in people's memories. It's in the\Nwhole society, and Confusianism came back
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.58,0:35:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an ideology, where some parts of the\NSocialists ideology vanished. Confucianism
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.08,0:35:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came back and Confucianism is about a\Nsociety where everyone is on her or his
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.13,0:35:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place and her place is always below. And\Nwith all these new ideological
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.97,0:35:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,influences, the way of communication\Nchanged as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.43,0:35:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before it was the masses and now it's the\Npublic. All campaigns and programs had
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.61,0:35:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revolutionary names or poetic forms like\Nhundred flowers yet the Great Leap
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.12,0:35:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forward, and all these campaigns molded\Nour picture of China, or the picture
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.99,0:35:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most people have in their hearts people in\Nbloom, red flags. But now it's changed you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.68,0:36:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have new campaigns and programs and they\Nhave other names as well. You have
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.36,0:36:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,socialist harmonious society as a goal for\Nthe society and a couple of years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.36,0:36:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before, you couldn't put socialism and\Nharmony in one room either. And you have
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.22,0:36:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Chinese dream. Yes, it sounds a bit\Nlike American dream, yeah. And we learned
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.70,0:36:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all governments are interested in\Ncontrol and feedback because you can't
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.68,0:36:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,control something, if you don't pay\Nattention and can't blow up anyway. So
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.14,0:36:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we have an autonomous nervous system\Nthat tells every part what's going on, you
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.33,0:36:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have one electronic autonomous nervous\Nsystem now in many societies not only
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.35,0:36:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,China.\NPeople using ICTs and a social credit
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.50,0:37:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system just creates a wonderful\Nopportunity of feedback and on the same
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.44,0:37:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time on influence. So, we come to the end\Nof this talk and to the summary. So, again
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.70,0:37:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this I think is really important: it's an\Ninternational tendency to solve social
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.53,0:37:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problems with technological solutions. And\Nas far as I am concerned this is not the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.89,0:37:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,best way maybe. And the Chinese government\N- they do not count and think in years,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.30,0:37:48.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they think in decades at least. And they\Nlooked at the internet and found out
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.57,0:37:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is a good tool and they're using\Nit. Successfully. But we know at least
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.17,0:38:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since Edward Snowden, that other\Ngovernments are capable of using the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.86,0:38:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Internet as a tool as well. A social\Ncredit system exists of the use of big
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.21,0:38:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data, algorithm, ICTs and gamification.\NAnd it will become mandatory. And this
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.98,0:38:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,game, when it becomes mandatory, will\Ndefine your life. And not only your life,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.46,0:38:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will define the life of the people\Nsurrounding you as well. The schools your
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.20,0:38:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children for example will go to will be\Nchosen on your rate. And there's the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.92,0:38:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opportunity to put this together with a\Nnational cryptocurrency. So, thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.25,0:38:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all for listening that what's my current\Nstate of research and my current state of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.96,0:39:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my code, we both presented to you this\Ntalk and I'm really looking forward to QA
Dialogue: 0,0:39:03.34,0:39:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and discussing. Thanks.\N{\i1}34c3 outro{\i0}
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