1 00:00:00,190 --> 00:00:05,670 When it comes to dietary-centered discussions between non-vegans and vegans, things can 2 00:00:05,670 --> 00:00:11,690 easily become heated. From academic one-upmanship of the most recent research to the far more 3 00:00:11,690 --> 00:00:16,990 informal frenzied exchange of sardonic memes and crafty YouTube comments, 4 00:00:16,990 --> 00:00:20,050 it's safe to say: “words are had.” 5 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:24,960 Well, one team of international scientists decided to analyze the arguments from 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,900 the meat-eating camp by bringing out the big guns: the N-Words. 7 00:00:34,999 --> 00:00:40,480 Hi it's Emily from Bite Size Vegan and welcome to another vegan nugget. Humans have a wide 8 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:46,199 array of reasons for eating animals. From taste to tradition to nutrition, to the absurd 9 00:00:46,199 --> 00:00:52,449 assertion that animals want to be eaten—yes that’s a thing and it’s far more common 10 00:00:52,449 --> 00:00:53,289 than you may think. 11 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:59,340 But what’s behind this need to justify, explain and rationalize the consumption of animals? 12 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:05,780 Why do omnivores often offer up unbidden impassioned defenses of their dietary practices 13 00:01:05,790 --> 00:01:11,080 upon learning someone is vegan—whether they be passive apologies for consuming meat in 14 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,970 their presence or outright attacks and challenges? 15 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:20,380 Well, nothing provokes our knee-jerk defenses or highlights our human capacity for award-worthy 16 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:25,560 rationalizations, and impassioned justifications, quite like the perceived judgment 17 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,240 of behaviors we’re already insecure about. 18 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:34,340 Despite the seemingly endless iterations of meat-eating defenses, a similar refrain has 19 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:39,820 been coursing through them for thousands of years. (Yes, thousands). 20 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:46,240 In 2015, an international team of researchers produced the first empirical systematic study 21 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,930 of meat-consumption rationalizations, more or less corralling the multitudes of justifications 22 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:57,060 into four main categories, denoted by what they call the 4N’s: 23 00:01:57,060 --> 00:02:01,520 that it’s Natural, Normal, Necessary, and Nice. 24 00:02:01,530 --> 00:02:05,910 Building off of the 3N’s presented in Dr. Melanie Joy’s landmark text 25 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:12,240 Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows, the team added the 4th N of “Nice” to capture “the 26 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,980 enjoyment people derive from eating meat,” which they said “is a major barrier to reducing 27 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:22,350 meat consumption and/or adopting a vegetarian diet,” as they found that, “meat-eaters…often 28 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:27,760 appeal to the tastiness of meat, or the hedonic pleasure that they derive from it, as a justification 29 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:33,440 for its continued consumption,” a rationale not encompassed within Joy’s original 3 strata. 30 00:02:33,450 --> 00:02:38,340 In this video, I’ll be presenting an overview of this particular study, the drive behind 31 00:02:38,340 --> 00:02:42,530 the human need for rationalization, as well as touch upon the broader implications of 32 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:47,110 the 4Ns—which reach far beyond the realm of dietary dissonance into 33 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:50,880 “Many historical practices, from slavery to sexism.” 34 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,640 Perhaps most controversially, the study strove to address the question: are omnivores inherently 35 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:01,050 more tolerant of social inequality within their own species? 36 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:05,990 Let’s start with a quick look at the 4N’s as defined within the study’s parameters, 37 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:11,910 again with the first 3 taking inspiration from Dr. Joy’s Three N’s of Justification.” 38 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:14,990 N #1: Eating Meat Is Natural 39 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:21,090 Our first N “Appeals to biology, biological hierarchy, natural selection, human evolution, 40 00:03:21,090 --> 00:03:23,490 or the naturalness of eating meat.” 41 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:27,700 Examples include: It is natural for humans to eat meat; Humans are carnivores; We’ve 42 00:03:27,709 --> 00:03:32,040 always eaten meat and/or have evolved to do so; We have canine teeth; Animals eat other 43 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,780 animals; Animals are here for us to eat; et cetera 44 00:03:34,780 --> 00:03:37,870 N #2: Eating Meat Is Necessary 45 00:03:37,870 --> 00:03:43,560 The 2nd N “Appeals to the necessity of meat for survival, strength, development, health, 46 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,459 animal population control, or economic stability.” 47 00:03:46,459 --> 00:03:51,310 Examples include: Humans need meat to survive; Meat provides good nutrients; Our bodies need 48 00:03:51,310 --> 00:03:55,569 the protein; Protein is a necessary part of our diet; and, one of my personal favorites: 49 00:03:55,569 --> 00:03:59,689 Because if we didn’t, there would be an overabundance of certain animals. 50 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:06,760 I made a video about that. A while ago. I dance in it. 51 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,940 N #3: Eating Meat Is Normal 52 00:04:09,940 --> 00:04:14,240 The 3rd N “Appeals to dominant societal norms, normative behavior, 53 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,460 historical human behavior, or socially constructed food pyramids.” 54 00:04:18,470 --> 00:04:22,720 Examples include: Society says it’s okay; I was raised eating meat; Meat is culturally 55 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,760 accepted or an important part of tradition; A lot of other people eat meat; 56 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,740 It’s abnormal NOT to eat meat; et cetera 57 00:04:28,740 --> 00:04:34,060 And finally the additional N #4: Eating Meat Is Nice 58 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:38,320 This new N was introduced to capture “Appeals to the tastiness of meat, 59 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,080 or that it is fulfilling or satisfying.” 60 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:46,250 Examples include: It tastes good; It’s delicious; Tastes great (I mean bacon...come on) 61 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,760 [yes, that’s actually in the official study. Table1]; 62 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:58,160 Meat adds so much flavor to a meal it does not make sense to leave it out”, “The best tasting food 63 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,500 is normally a meat-based dish; Meals without meat would just be bland and boring; et cetera 64 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:06,840 It’s important to note that a number of objections and diversion tactics fall a bit 65 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:12,840 outside the realm of the 4Ns. In the first two studies, wherein respondents offered spontaneous 66 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:18,900 justifications, categories of Humane Slaughter, Religion, Sustainability, Various Miscellany 67 00:05:18,910 --> 00:05:22,930 and the outright rejection of the study’s premise were recorded. 68 00:05:22,930 --> 00:05:27,530 While they subsequently included concepts of religion, hierarchy and fate within the 69 00:05:27,530 --> 00:05:31,980 “Natural” category and health arguments within the “Necessary,” at the study’s 70 00:05:31,990 --> 00:05:36,790 outset, the team clarified that while “there are numerous strategies available to omnivores 71 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:42,380 to bring their beliefs and behavior in line, including denying that animals used as food 72 00:05:42,380 --> 00:05:47,270 suffer or that such animals are worthy of moral concern,” their goal was to focus 73 00:05:47,270 --> 00:05:51,740 on the “common, yet under-studied mechanism [of] rationalization.” 74 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:56,780 Unlike straight up denials of animal sentience, willful ignorance or passive avoidance of what 75 00:05:56,780 --> 00:06:02,100 we do to animals—essentially the “I don’t see it so it doesn’t happen” mentality—“ 76 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:06,940 rationalization involves providing reasonable justifications for one’s behavior when it 77 00:06:06,949 --> 00:06:12,130 comes under scrutiny or criticism, or when one’s behavior is perceived as discrepant 78 00:06:12,130 --> 00:06:14,900 with an integral aspect of one’s character.” 79 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:19,830 So what were the results? To go in depth, please see the blog post for this video linked 80 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:23,580 in the description, but some of the main findings were as follows: 81 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:29,850 Overall, as expected, “omnivores had the highest 4N scores, followed by semi-vegetarians.” 82 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:33,570 (meaning people who only eat some animals…apparently). 83 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:38,759 “Vegetarians and dietary and lifestyle vegans had the lowest 4N scores.” 84 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:42,440 Men endorsed the 4Ns more strongly than did women. 85 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,750 Men also engaged in more direct justification strategies, while women tended towards “indirect 86 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:51,830 strategies of dissociating or avoiding thoughts of animal suffering.” 87 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:56,289 In regards to whether “individuals…who consume higher quantities of meat…tend to 88 00:06:56,289 --> 00:07:02,820 be more supportive of inequality in group relationships” and “endorse anti-egalitarian values," 89 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:08,160 they found, as did previous research, that “meat justification appears to be related 90 00:07:08,169 --> 00:07:10,460 to inequality justification.” 91 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:16,280 The researchers invoked Dr. Joy’s examples of the 3Ns employment across others issues, 92 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,850 from slavery to women’s suffrage. “Opponents of women’s suffrage… appealed to the necessity 93 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:28,110 of denying women the vote to prevent ‘irreparable damage’ to the nation, to the natural superiority 94 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:33,730 of male intelligence, and to the historical normalness of male-only voting as 95 00:07:33,730 --> 00:07:35,750 “designed by our forefathers.” 96 00:07:36,260 --> 00:07:40,960 In the end, it’s the reasons behind the rationalizations, the very need for them at 97 00:07:40,970 --> 00:07:45,699 all that are the most profound aspect of this entire issue. It’s something I’ve gone 98 00:07:45,699 --> 00:07:50,460 into in depth in many of my videos, including this revealing speech, along with others I’ve 99 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:52,160 listed in the video description below. 100 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Living in a state of cognitive dissonance wherein our actions directly conflict with 101 00:07:57,850 --> 00:08:03,330 our own professed morals and values, causes extreme dis-ease within us. 102 00:08:03,330 --> 00:08:10,270 Eating animals is, in essence, living a double life. Attempting to be animal lovers and animal killers. 103 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,919 To see ourselves as good people while we pay others to carry out barbaric acts of cruelty 104 00:08:15,919 --> 00:08:19,139 we would never directly inflict upon another being. 105 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:23,260 This is what the study’s creators termed the “meat paradox.” 106 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:28,600 Omnivores are left with the choice of either changing their behaviors to align with their values by ceasing 107 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,120 to eat animals and their byproducts, or manipulating their perception of reality in such a way 108 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,140 that it at least appears that their behaviors align with their values. 109 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:43,580 Not surprisingly, the majority of the world chooses the latter. Because changing our behavior 110 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:48,399 when it comes to eating animals means confronting head-on our complicity in their enslavement, 111 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,510 torture, and murder. It means facing the horrors we’ve supported and vehemently defended. 112 00:08:54,510 --> 00:08:58,110 It means looking ourselves in the mirror with outright honesty. 113 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,820 And brining up protein, desert islands, canines, traditions, the wisdom of the masses, and all 114 00:09:03,830 --> 00:09:10,790 the litany of rationalizations, justifications and avoidances, is by far an easier and safer choice. 115 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,800 There is bliss in ignorance. For the ignorant. 116 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,760 I hope that this video was helpful, and perhaps even prompts the slightest moment of reflection 117 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,920 at the aspects of our behavior we strive so ardently to justify. 118 00:09:27,140 --> 00:09:30,700 Please share it around to spark discussion and I’d love to hear your thoughts in the 119 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:34,850 comments below. Do give the video a like if you liked it and subscribe for more vegan 120 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:39,750 content every Monday, Wednesday and some Fridays. To support messages like this, see the support 121 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:44,350 links below or join us in the Nugget Army on Patreon via the link in the sidebar. 122 00:09:44,350 --> 00:09:48,510 Now go live vegan, own up to your actions, and I’ll see you soon. 123 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,220 There's a stink bug that keeps flying. He's haning out on the light right now. 124 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Whoop! There he goes! 125 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,540 Ahh! 126 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Dude, you're freaking me out! 127 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,900 You're making me feel very unvegan. When you fly at me and it scares me 128 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,900 because I'm supposed to love all creatures and you're scaring me a little bit, when you do that. 129 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,320 Alright little dude, I'm taking you outside.