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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.76,0:00:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chris Anderson: Perhaps we could start\Nby just telling us about your country.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.44,0:00:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's three dots there on the globe.\NThose dots are pretty huge.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.32,0:00:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think each one\Nis about the size of California.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.00,0:00:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell us about Kiribati.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.88,0:00:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anote Tong: Well, let me first begin\Nby saying how deeply grateful I am
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.40,0:00:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this opportunity to share my story\Nwith people who do care.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.56,0:00:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I've been sharing my story with\Na lot of people who don't care too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.16,0:00:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Kiribati is comprised\Nof three groups of islands:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.04,0:00:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Gilbert Group on the west,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.88,0:00:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have the Phoenix Islands in the middle,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.24,0:00:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Line Islands in the east.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.68,0:00:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And quite frankly, Kiribati\Nis perhaps the only country
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.80,0:00:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is actually\Nin the four corners of the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.17,0:00:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are in the Northern Hemisphere,\Nin the Southern Hemisphere,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.49,0:00:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also in the east and the west\Nof the International Date Line.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.57,0:00:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These islands are entirely\Nmade up of coral atolls,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.92,0:01:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on average about\Ntwo meters above sea level.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.88,0:01:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this is what we have.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.36,0:01:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually not more\Nthan two kilometers in width.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.20,0:01:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, on many occasions,\NI've been asked by people,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.16,0:01:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know, you're suffering,\Nwhy don't you move back?"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.72,0:01:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.96,0:01:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have no concept\Nof what it is that's involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.68,0:01:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the rising sea, they say,\N"Well, you can move back."
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.28,0:01:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this is what I tell them.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.88,0:01:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we move back, we will fall off\Non the other side of the ocean. OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.24,0:01:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But these are the kinds of issues\Nthat people don't understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.04,0:01:42.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So certainly this is\Njust a picture of fragility there.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.28,0:01:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When was it that you yourself realized
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.84,0:01:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there might be\Nimpending peril for your country?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.48,0:01:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, the story of climate change\Nhas been one that has been going on
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.96,0:01:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for quite a number of decades.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.44,0:01:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I came into office in 2003,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.20,0:02:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I began talking about climate change\Nat the United Nations General Assembly,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.48,0:02:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not with so much passion,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.24,0:02:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because then there was still\Nthis controversy among the scientists
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.88,0:02:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it was human-induced,\Nwhether it was real or it wasn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.16,0:02:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think that that debate\Nwas fairly much concluded in 2007
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.32,0:02:25.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Fourth Assessment\NReport of the IPCC,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.92,0:02:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which made a categorical statement\Nthat it is real, it's human-induced,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.80,0:02:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's predicting\Nsome very serious scenarios
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.76,0:02:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for countries like mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.32,0:02:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that's when I got very serious.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.60,0:02:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the past, I talked about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.60,0:02:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were worried.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.84,0:02:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when the scenarios,\Nthe predictions came in 2007,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.60,0:02:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it became a real issue for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.96,0:02:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Now, those predictions are,\NI think, that by 2100,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.60,0:03:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sea levels are forecast to rise\Nperhaps three feet.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.40,0:03:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's scenarios where\Nit's higher than that, for sure,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.04,0:03:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what would you say\Nto a skeptic who said,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.20,0:03:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What's three feet?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.40,0:03:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're on average\Nsix feet above sea level.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.60,0:03:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the problem?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.20,0:03:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, I think\Nit's got to be understood
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.28,0:03:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a marginal rise in sea level
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.36,0:03:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would mean a loss of a lot of land,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.96,0:03:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because much of the land is low.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.24,0:03:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And quite apart from that,\Nwe are getting the swells at the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.36,0:03:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not about getting two feet.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.56,0:03:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think what many people do not understand
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.60,0:03:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is they think climate change is something\Nthat is happening in the future.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.80,0:03:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we're at the very\Nbottom end of the spectrum.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.64,0:03:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's already with us.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.92,0:03:46.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have communities\Nwho already have been dislocated.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.76,0:03:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have had to move,\Nand every parliament session,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.72,0:03:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm getting complaints\Nfrom different communities
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.08,0:03:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking for assistance to build seawalls,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.16,0:03:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see what we can do\Nabout the freshwater lens
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.72,0:04:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's being destroyed,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.56,0:04:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so in my trips\Nto the different islands,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.32,0:04:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm seeing evidence of communities
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.04,0:04:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are now having to cope\Nwith the loss of food crops,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.68,0:04:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the contamination of the water lenses,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.28,0:04:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I see these communities\Nperhaps leaving, having to relocate,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.64,0:04:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within five to 10 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.00,0:04:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And then, I think the country\Nsuffered its first cyclone,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.96,0:04:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is connected, yes?\NWhat happened here?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.52,0:04:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, we're on the equator,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.24,0:04:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm sure many of you understand\Nthat when you're on the equator,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.68,0:04:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's supposed to be in the doldrums.\NWe're not supposed to get the cyclones.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.28,0:04:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We create them, and then we send them\Neither north or south.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.11,0:04:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.52,0:04:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they aren't supposed to come back.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.40,0:04:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for the first time,\Nat the beginning of this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.95,0:04:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Cyclone Pam,\Nwhich destroyed Vanuatu,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.64,0:04:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the process,\Nthe very edges of it actually touched
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.12,0:04:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our two southernmost islands,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.52,0:05:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of Tuvalu was underwater\Nwhen Hurricane Pam struck.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.92,0:05:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for our two southernmost islands,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.64,0:05:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had waves come over half the island,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.00,0:05:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so this has never happened before.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.48,0:05:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a new experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.08,0:05:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've just come back\Nfrom my own constituency,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.44,0:05:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've seen these beautiful trees\Nwhich had been there for decades,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.80,0:05:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've been totally destroyed.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.80,0:05:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is what's happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.52,0:05:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when we talk\Nabout the rising sea level,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.40,0:05:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we think it's something\Nthat happens gradually.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.52,0:05:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It comes with the winds,\Nit comes with the swells,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.60,0:05:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so they can be magnified,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.56,0:05:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what we are beginning to witness\Nis the change in the weather pattern,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.76,0:05:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is perhaps the more urgent challenge
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.52,0:05:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we will face sooner\Nthan perhaps the rising sea level.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.08,0:05:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So the country\Nis already seeing effects now.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.36,0:05:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you look forward,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.56,0:06:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are your options\Nas a country, as a nation?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.52,0:06:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, I've been telling\Nthis story every year.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.20,0:06:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I visit a number of --
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.65,0:06:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been traveling the world\Nto try and get people to understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.64,0:06:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a plan, we think we have a plan.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.12,0:06:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on one occasion,\NI think I spoke in Geneva
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.56,0:06:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was a gentleman\Nwho was interviewing me
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.76,0:06:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on something like this,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.52,0:06:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said, "We are looking\Nat floating islands,"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.88,0:06:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he thought it was funny,\Nbut somebody said,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.12,0:06:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No, this is not funny.\NThese people are looking for solutions."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.08,0:06:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I have been looking\Nat floating islands.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.64,0:06:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Japanese are interested\Nin building floating islands.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.40,0:06:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, as a country,\Nwe have made a commitment
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.36,0:06:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that no matter what happens,\Nwe will try as much as possible
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.08,0:06:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stay and continue to exist as a nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.28,0:06:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What that will take,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.84,0:06:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's going to be\Nsomething quite significant,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.28,0:06:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very, very substantial.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.32,0:06:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either we live on floating islands,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.12,0:07:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we have to build up the islands\Nto continue to stay out of the water
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.12,0:07:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the sea level rises\Nand as the storms get more severe.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.88,0:07:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even that, it's going to be\Nvery, very difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.33,0:07:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get the kind of resourcing\Nthat we would need.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.20,0:07:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And then the only recourse\Nis some form of forced migration.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.08,0:07:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, we are also looking at that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.32,0:07:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because in the event\Nthat nothing comes forward
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.24,0:07:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the international community,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.08,0:07:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are preparing,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.36,0:07:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't want to be caught\Nlike what's happening in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.60,0:07:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? We don't want to mass migrate\Nat some point in time.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.32,0:07:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to be able\Nto give the people the choice today,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.76,0:07:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those who choose\Nand want to do that, to migrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.44,0:07:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't want something to happen\Nthat they are forced to migrate
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.52,0:07:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without having been prepared to do so.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.84,0:07:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, our culture is very different,\Nour society is very different,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.36,0:07:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and once we migrate\Ninto a different environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.72,0:07:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a different culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.96,0:07:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a whole lot\Nof adjustments that are required.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.92,0:07:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Well, there's forced migration\Nin your country's past,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.20,0:07:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think just this week,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.88,0:08:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just yesterday\Nor the day before yesterday,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.16,0:08:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you visited these people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.36,0:08:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happened here? What's the story here?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.56,0:08:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Yes, and I'm sorry,\NI think somebody was asking
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.00,0:08:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why we were sneaking off\Nto visit that place.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.00,0:08:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a very good reason, because we have\Na community of Kiribati people
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.00,0:08:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living in that part\Nof the Solomon Islands,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.12,0:08:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but these were people who were relocated\Nfrom the Phoenix Islands, in fact,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.00,0:08:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the 1960s.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.48,0:08:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was serious drought, and the people\Ncould not continue to live on the island,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.04,0:08:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so they were moved\Nto live here in the Solomon Islands.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.44,0:08:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so yesterday it was very interesting\Nto meet with these people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.64,0:08:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't know who I was.\NThey hadn't heard of me.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.12,0:08:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them later recognized me,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.72,0:08:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think they were very happy.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.32,0:08:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later they really wanted to have\Nthe opportunity to welcome me formally.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.76,0:08:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think what I saw yesterday\Nwas very interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.04,0:08:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because here I see our people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.88,0:09:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I spoke in our language, and of course\Nthey spoke back, they replied,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.72,0:09:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but their accent, they are beginning\Nnot to be able to speak Kiribati properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.44,0:09:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw them, there was\Nthis lady with red teeth.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.96,0:09:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was chewing betel nuts,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.20,0:09:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not something we do in Kiribati.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.48,0:09:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't chew betel nuts.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.12,0:09:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met also a family who have married\Nthe local people here,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.00,0:09:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so this is what is happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.12,0:09:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you go into another community,\Nthere are bound to be changes.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.72,0:09:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is bound to be\Na certain loss of identity,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.20,0:09:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is what we will be\Nlooking for in the future
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.68,0:09:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if and when we do migrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.96,0:09:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: It must have been\Njust an extraordinarily emotional day
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.16,0:09:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of these questions about identity,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.00,0:09:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the joy of seeing you and perhaps\Nan emphasized sense of what they had lost.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.24,0:09:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's very inspiring to hear you say\Nyou're going to fight to the end
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.64,0:09:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to preserve\Nthe nation in a location.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.08,0:09:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: This is our wish.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.40,0:10:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody wants ever to leave their home,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.48,0:10:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so it's been\Na very difficult decision for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.56,0:10:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a leader, you don't make plans\Nto leave your island, your home,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.96,0:10:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I've been asked\Non a number of occasions,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.24,0:10:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"So how do you feel?"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.48,0:10:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it doesn't feel good at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.64,0:10:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an emotional thing,\Nand I've tried to live with it,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.24,0:10:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know that on occasions, I'm accused\Nof not trying to solve the problem
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.20,0:10:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I can't solve the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.20,0:10:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's something that's got\Nto be done collectively.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.04,0:10:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Climate change is a global phenomenon,\Nand as I've often argued,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.84,0:10:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately, the countries,\Nwhen we come to the United Nations --
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.36,0:10:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in a meeting with\Nthe Pacific Island Forum countries
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.28,0:10:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where Australia and New Zealand\Nare also members,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.80,0:10:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had an argument.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.56,0:10:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a bit of a story in the news
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.28,0:10:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they were arguing\Nthat to cut emissions,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.60,0:10:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be something\Nthat they're unable to do
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.88,0:11:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it would affect the industries.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.12,0:11:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so here I was saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.60,0:11:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, I hear you,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.84,0:11:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand what you're saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.52,0:11:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but try also to understand what I'm saying
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.80,0:11:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if you do not cut your emissions,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.44,0:11:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then our survival is on the line.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.84,0:11:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's a matter for you\Nto weigh this, these moral issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.20,0:11:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about industry as opposed to\Nthe survival of a people.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.24,0:11:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: You know, I ask you yesterday\Nwhat made you angry,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.92,0:11:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you said, "I don't get angry."\NBut then you paused.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.44,0:11:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this made you angry.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.08,0:11:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: I'd refer you to my earlier\Nstatement at the United Nations.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.00,0:11:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was very angry, very frustrated\Nand then depressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.96,0:11:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a sense of futility
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.96,0:11:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are fighting a fight\Nthat we have no hope of winning.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.44,0:11:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to change my approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.64,0:11:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had to become more reasonable
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.76,0:11:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I thought people would listen\Nto somebody who was rational,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.93,0:11:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I remain radically rational,\Nwhatever that is.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.52,0:12:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.16,0:12:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Now, a core part\Nof your nation's identity is fishing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.92,0:12:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you said pretty much everyone\Nis involved in fishing in some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.44,0:12:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, we eat fish\Nevery day, every day,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.24,0:12:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think there is no doubt\Nthat our rate of consumption of fish
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.80,0:12:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is perhaps the highest in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.96,0:12:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't have a lot of livestock,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.44,0:12:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's fish that we depend on.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.24,0:12:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So you're dependent on fish,\Nboth at the local level
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.40,0:12:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for the revenues\Nthat the country receives
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.12,0:12:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the global fishing business for tuna,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.72,0:12:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet despite that, a few years ago\Nyou took a very radical step.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.64,0:12:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you tell us about that?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.04,0:12:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think something happened\Nright here in the Phoenix Islands.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.40,0:12:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Let me give some of the background\Nof what fish means for us.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.72,0:12:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have one of the largest\Ntuna fisheries remaining in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.68,0:12:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the Pacific, I think we own\Nsomething like 60 percent
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.56,0:12:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the remaining tuna fisheries,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.48,0:12:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it remains relatively healthy\Nfor some species, but not all.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.76,0:13:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Kiribati is one of the three\Nmajor resource owners,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.92,0:13:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tuna resource owners.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.64,0:13:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at the moment, we have been getting
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.24,0:13:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like 80 to 90\Npercent of our revenue
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.16,0:13:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from access fees, license fees.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.64,0:13:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Of your national revenue.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.52,0:13:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: National revenue,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.36,0:13:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which drives everything that we do
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.20,0:13:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in governments, hospitals,\Nschools and what have you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.24,0:13:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we decided to close this,\Nand it was a very difficult decision.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.48,0:13:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can assure you, politically,\Nlocally, it was not easy,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.04,0:13:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I was convinced that we had to do this
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.00,0:13:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to ensure\Nthat the fishery remains sustainable.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.60,0:13:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There had been some indications\Nthat some of the species,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.40,0:13:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in particular the bigeye,\Nwas under serious threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.56,0:13:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The yellowfin was also heavily fished.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.96,0:13:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skipjack remains healthy.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.72,0:14:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we had to do something like that,\Nand so that was the reason I did that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.52,0:14:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another reason why I did that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.44,0:14:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was because I had been asking\Nthe international community
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.16,0:14:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in order to deal with climate change,\Nin order to fight climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.72,0:14:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there has got to be sacrifice,\Nthere has got to be commitment.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.64,0:14:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in asking the international community\Nto make a sacrifice,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.96,0:14:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought we ourselves\Nneed to make that sacrifice.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.80,0:14:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we made the sacrifice.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.64,0:14:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And forgoing commercial fishing
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.61,0:14:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Phoenix Islands protected area
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.24,0:14:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would mean a loss of revenue.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.12,0:14:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are still trying to assess\Nwhat that loss would be
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.62,0:14:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we actually closed it off\Nat the beginning of this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.88,0:14:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we will see by the end of this year
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.24,0:14:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it means in terms\Nof the lost revenue.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.76,0:14:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So there's so many things\Nplaying into this.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.04,0:15:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the one hand,\Nit may prompt healthier fisheries.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.04,0:15:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, how much are you able\Nto move the price up
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.44,0:15:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you charge for the remaining areas?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.96,0:15:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: The negotiations\Nhave been very difficult,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.60,0:15:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have managed\Nto raise the cost of a vessel day.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.48,0:15:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For any vessel\Nto come in to fish for a day,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.12,0:15:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have raised the fee from --\Nit was $6,000 and $8,000,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.76,0:15:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now to $10,000, $12,000 per vessel day.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.36,0:15:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so there's been\Nthat significant increase.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.60,0:15:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But at the same time,\Nwhat's important to note is,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.20,0:15:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas in the past these fishing boats
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.56,0:15:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be fishing in a day\Nand maybe catch 10 tons,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.52,0:15:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now they're catching maybe 100 tons\Nbecause they've become so efficient.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.44,0:15:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we've got to respond likewise.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.80,0:15:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got to be very, very careful\Nbecause the technology has so improved.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.00,0:15:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a time when the Brazilian fleet\Nmoved from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.44,0:16:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They couldn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.68,0:16:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They started experimenting\Nif they could, per se.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.92,0:16:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now they've got ways of doing it,\Nand they've become so efficient.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.00,0:16:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: Can you give us a sense\Nof what it's like in those negotiations?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.22,0:16:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you're up against companies
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.94,0:16:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have hundreds of millions\Nof dollars at stake, essentially.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.56,0:16:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you hold the line?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.92,0:16:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there any advice you can give
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.00,0:16:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to other leaders who are dealing\Nwith the same companies
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.08,0:16:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how to get\Nthe most for your country,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.40,0:16:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get the most for the fish?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.44,0:16:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What advice would you give?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.00,0:16:42.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, I think we focus\Ntoo often on licensing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.28,0:16:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to get the rate of return,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.97,0:16:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because what we are getting\Nfrom license fees
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.80,0:16:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about 10 percent\Nof the landed value of the catch
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.44,0:16:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the side of the wharf,\Nnot in the retail shops.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.60,0:16:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we only get about 10 percent.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.60,0:16:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we have been trying\Nto do over the years
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.24,0:17:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually to increase\Nour participation in the industry,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.12,0:17:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the harvesting, in the processing,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.76,0:17:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and eventually, hopefully, the marketing.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.64,0:17:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're not easy to penetrate,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.36,0:17:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we are working towards that,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.68,0:17:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yes, the answer would be to enhance.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.32,0:17:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order to increase our rate of return,\Nwe have to become more involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.56,0:17:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we've started doing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.76,0:17:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have to restructure the industry.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.04,0:17:31.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got to tell these people\Nthat the world has changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.44,0:17:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we want to produce the fish ourselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.88,0:17:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: And meanwhile,\Nfor your local fishermen,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.00,0:17:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are still able to fish,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.12,0:17:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what is business like for them?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.60,0:17:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it getting harder?\NAre the waters depleted?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.96,0:17:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or is that being run\Non a sustainable basis?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.44,0:17:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: For the artisanal fishery,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.92,0:17:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do not participate\Nin the commercial fishing activity
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.20,0:17:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except only to supply the domestic market.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.24,0:17:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The tuna fishery is really\Nentirely for the foreign market,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.56,0:18:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mostly here in the US, Europe, Japan.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.80,0:18:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am a fisherman, very much,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.36,0:18:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I used to be able to catch yellowfin.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.56,0:18:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it's very, very rare\Nto be able to catch yellowfin
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.36,0:18:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are being lifted\Nout of the water by the hundreds of tons
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.76,0:18:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by these purse seiners.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.36,0:18:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: So here's a couple\Nof beautiful girls from your country.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.32,0:18:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, as you think about their future,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.56,0:18:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what message would you have for them
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.24,0:18:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what message\Nwould you have for the world?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.28,0:18:39.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Well, I've been telling the world\Nthat we really have to do something
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.73,0:18:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what is happening to the climate
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.60,0:18:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because for us, it's about\Nthe future of these children.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.40,0:18:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have 12 grandchildren, at least.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.36,0:18:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I have 12, my wife knows.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.40,0:18:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Laughter)
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.64,0:18:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think I have eight children.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.68,0:18:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about their future.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.96,0:18:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every day I see my grandchildren,\Nabout the same age as these young girls,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.72,0:19:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I do wonder,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.16,0:19:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I get angry sometimes, yes I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.40,0:19:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder what is to become of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.48,0:19:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it's about them
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.64,0:19:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we should be telling everybody,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.92,0:19:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's not about\Ntheir own national interest,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.20,0:19:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because climate change,\Nregrettably, unfortunately,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.88,0:19:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is viewed by many countries\Nas a national problem. It's not.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.00,0:19:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the argument\Nwe got into recently with our partners,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.02,0:19:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Australians and New Zealanders,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.74,0:19:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they said,\N"We can't cut any more."
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.08,0:19:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what one of the leaders,\Nthe Australian leader, said,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.72,0:19:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've done our part,\Nwe are cutting back.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.00,0:19:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, What about the rest?\NWhy don't you keep it?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.68,0:19:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you could keep\Nthe rest of your emissions
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.40,0:19:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within your boundaries,\Nwithin your borders,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.72,0:19:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd have no question.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.52,0:19:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can go ahead as much as you like.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.36,0:19:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But unfortunately,\Nyou're sending it our way,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.52,0:19:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's affecting\Nthe future of our children.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.74,0:19:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so surely I think that is the heart\Nof the problem of climate change today.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.80,0:20:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will be meeting in Paris\Nat the end of this year,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.88,0:20:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but until we can think of this\Nas a global phenomenon,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.84,0:20:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we create it,\Nindividually, as nations,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.12,0:20:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it affects everybody else,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.08,0:20:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet, we refuse\Nto do anything about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.72,0:20:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we deal with it as a national problem,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.20,0:20:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which it is not -- it is a global issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.32,0:20:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's got to be\Ndealt with collectively.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.12,0:20:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CA: People are incredibly bad\Nat responding to graphs and numbers,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.48,0:20:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we shut our minds to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.28,0:20:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somehow, to people, we're slightly better\Nat responding to that sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.56,0:20:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it seems like it's\Nvery possible that your nation,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.52,0:20:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite, actually because of\Nthe intense problems you face,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.00,0:20:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may yet be the warning light\Nto the world that shines most visibly,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.92,0:20:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most powerfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.92,0:20:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to thank you, \NI'm sure, on behalf of all of us,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.76,0:20:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your extraordinary leadership\Nand for being here.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.28,0:20:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. President, thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.87,0:20:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AT: Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.67,0:21:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Applause)