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(thoughtful music)

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(drawers scraping)

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- [Cindy] Did you know

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they have press-on nails
for pedicures? (laughs)

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- [Speaker] Wait a minute.

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- I haven't tried them yet,

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but I'm really dying to try them,

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isn't that crazy? (chuckles)

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I'm thinking of just wearing them myself

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just for a party, just
as a joke, you know?

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I mean, they just, I mean,
except these aren't as obvious.

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These are maybe more obvious

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because they have little
polka dots on them

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and they just look like,

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"Who would wear little
polka dots on your toes?"

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My work is not about

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kind of fantasizing about
characters or situations.

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Some people, I think, have thought that

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the characters I do were,

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yeah, like as if I've always fantasized

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about being a femme fatal
or whatever, you know,

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if in my film stills.

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Yeah, I don't think of
it as that literal to me.

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When I'm doing the characters,

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I really don't feel like
it's some sort of something

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that grows out of my
fantasy, my own dreams.

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In college when I would do it,

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I would, you know, become a character

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and then sort of think,

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"Well, gee, here I am as Lucille Ball,

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and what do I do now?"

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So then it became sort of a thing

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and a little more like performance

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and I started to do it
going to parties sometimes

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I remember once getting all in character

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and wanting to go to some opening

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and feeling like something was missing,

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and then I put a pillow under the dress

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and went as a pregnant woman.

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When I moved to New York,
I did it a few times,

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but it suddenly wasn't the same I think

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because in the city I felt
like I needed my own sort of,

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you know, street armor,

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or whatever to just to
deal with the street

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and people out on the
street and the crazy people

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and the real crazy people who look

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like some of the characters
I was looking like.

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And I didn't wanna be
confused, I guess, with them.

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That's the advantage
of being in them myself

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is I can just play around.

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When I've experimented with
other people in them as models,

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paid models or friends or family,

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I feel like I just, I don't
know what to tell them to do

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because I don't really know

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what it is I'm looking for until I see it.

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So I tend to sort of rush
them through the whole process

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and I redo it myself
and it's like grueling.

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So, I mean, even though I love to do it,

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it's much more work

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because, you know, I'm
like frustrated at trying

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to capture on film something
that I can't even articulate

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because I don't really know
what it is I am looking for

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until I see it.