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(drawers scraping)

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- (Cindy) Did you know they have[br]press-on nails for pedicures?

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(chuckles)

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- (Speaker) Wait a minute-

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- (Cindy) I haven't tried them yet,

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but I'm really dying to try them,

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isn't that crazy? (chuckles)

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I'm thinking of just wearing them myself

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just for a party,[br]just as a joke, you know?

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I mean, they just, I mean, [br]except these aren't as obvious.

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These are maybe more obvious

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because they have [br]little polka dots on them

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and they just look like,

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'Who would wear little[br]polka dots on your toes?'

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My work is not about fantasizing

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about characters or situations.

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Some people, I think, [br]have thought that

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the characters I do were,

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yeah, as if I've always fantasized

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about being a femme fatale[br]or whatever, you know,

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in my film stills.

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Yeah, I don't think of[br]it as that literal to me.

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When I'm doing the characters,

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I really don't feel like [br]it's some sort of something[br]

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that grows out of my fantasy,[br]my own dreams.

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In college when I would do it,

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I would become a character

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and then sort of think,

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'Well, gee, here I am as Lucille Ball, [br]and what do I now?'

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So then it became sort of a thing

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and a little more like performance.

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And I started to do it [br]going to parties sometimes.

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I remember once getting all in character

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and wanting to go to some opening

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and feeling like something was missing,

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and then I put a pillow under the dress

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and went as a pregnant woman.

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When I moved to New York,

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I did it a few times,

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but it suddenly wasn't the same

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I think because in the city

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I felt like I needed my own

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sort of, street armour, or whatever

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just to deal with the street,[br]and people out on the street,

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and the crazy people,[br]and the real crazy people

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who looked like some of the characters

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I was looking like.

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And I didn't want to be confused,[br]I guess, with them.

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That's the advantage[br]of being in them myself

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is I can just play around.

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When I've experimented[br]with other people in them,

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as models, paid models, [br]or friends or family,

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I feel like I just, [br]I don't know what to tell them to do

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because I don't really know

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what it is I'm looking for until I see it.

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So I tend to sort of rush them[br]through the whole process.

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Then I redo it with myself,[br]and it's like grueling.

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So, I mean, even though I love to do it,

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it's much more work

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because I'm like frustrated

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at trying to capture on film

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something that I can't even articulate.

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Because I don't really know[br]what it is I am looking for.

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until I see it.