1 00:00:01,072 --> 00:00:02,313 Man: Pfizer only. 2 00:00:02,313 --> 00:00:06,070 If they try to give me Johnson & Johnson, I'll tell them to give me COVID instead. 3 00:00:06,070 --> 00:00:09,454 Narrator: The internet seems to know exactly which vaccines are the best 4 00:00:09,454 --> 00:00:10,778 and the worst. 5 00:00:10,796 --> 00:00:11,798 M: Moderna? 6 00:00:11,818 --> 00:00:13,400 More like mediocre, average. 7 00:00:13,420 --> 00:00:14,566 We don't do average. 8 00:00:14,586 --> 00:00:16,318 Mira Fricke: Humans love comparing. 9 00:00:16,338 --> 00:00:19,469 No wonder we're also doing it with the COVID-19 vaccines. 10 00:00:19,768 --> 00:00:23,206 The problem is you can't compare vaccines that easily. 11 00:00:23,286 --> 00:00:27,407 And doing so might even be harmful in a pandemic. 12 00:00:28,677 --> 00:00:30,444 N: We tend to look at these numbers - 13 00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:31,658 efficacy rates - 14 00:00:31,678 --> 00:00:34,919 because they measure how likely you are to get COVID-19 15 00:00:34,939 --> 00:00:36,816 after you've been vaccinated. 16 00:00:37,983 --> 00:00:41,130 MF: The problem is that these numbers were not created equal. 17 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:45,582 Instead, they are determined by when and where the efficacy trials took place. 18 00:00:45,603 --> 00:00:46,656 Carlos Guzmán: I think 19 00:00:46,676 --> 00:00:49,386 that simple comparisons of vaccine efficacy out of context 20 00:00:49,406 --> 00:00:51,817 can lead to very wrong conclusions. 21 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:56,817 There are key differences in the study population for example, 22 00:00:56,817 --> 00:01:02,395 age, gender, genetic environmental factor, preexisting conditions. 23 00:01:02,875 --> 00:01:05,005 N: So how do efficacy trials work? 24 00:01:05,025 --> 00:01:07,313 Participants are split into two groups. 25 00:01:07,333 --> 00:01:10,330 One group gets the vaccine; the other, a placebo. 26 00:01:10,810 --> 00:01:13,240 They then go about their lives as usual. 27 00:01:13,761 --> 00:01:15,396 After a certain period of time, 28 00:01:15,416 --> 00:01:18,651 researchers count how many of them caught COVID-19. 29 00:01:19,123 --> 00:01:22,787 If all participants who got sick came from the placebo group, 30 00:01:22,807 --> 00:01:24,932 and zero from the vaccine group, 31 00:01:24,952 --> 00:01:27,505 the vaccine would be 100% effective. 32 00:01:28,267 --> 00:01:32,090 And if exactly the same number of people from both groups got sick, 33 00:01:32,110 --> 00:01:34,319 the vaccine efficacy would be zero 34 00:01:34,339 --> 00:01:38,031 because the risk of getting infected didn't change with the vaccine. 35 00:01:38,907 --> 00:01:42,646 But the chance of the participants getting the disease during a trial 36 00:01:42,666 --> 00:01:45,854 corresponds with the overall infection rate in their environment. 37 00:01:46,076 --> 00:01:51,289 CG: There are also differences in terms of presence or absence of virus variant 38 00:01:51,601 --> 00:01:56,542 that are neutralized more or less efficiently by the antibodies 39 00:01:56,562 --> 00:02:01,271 stimulated by the type protein of the original SARS‑CoV‑2 virus 40 00:02:01,271 --> 00:02:04,433 that is the one that was included in current vaccines. 41 00:02:04,768 --> 00:02:08,514 MF: So while we think we know which vaccine is best, 42 00:02:08,534 --> 00:02:12,905 our opinions have actually been influenced by circumstantial factors. 43 00:02:13,489 --> 00:02:15,138 N: Let's look at an example. 44 00:02:15,468 --> 00:02:19,078 The Moderna and Pfizer trials were performed mostly in the US 45 00:02:19,098 --> 00:02:22,395 and before the arrival of more infectious variants, 46 00:02:22,415 --> 00:02:25,133 like the one from the UK or South Africa. 47 00:02:27,498 --> 00:02:30,927 The AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson trials, on the other hand, 48 00:02:30,927 --> 00:02:32,615 were either conducted later 49 00:02:32,635 --> 00:02:33,645 or in countries 50 00:02:33,665 --> 00:02:37,917 where more infectious variants emerged and became dominant in infections. 51 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:43,231 MF: So efficacy rates will never be exactly the same 52 00:02:43,251 --> 00:02:44,946 in a real world setting, 53 00:02:44,966 --> 00:02:46,680 and they can change over time. 54 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,676 CG: For example, recently we have the report from Qatar, 55 00:02:49,695 --> 00:02:53,594 where 50% and 45% of the infection 56 00:02:53,614 --> 00:02:57,444 are caused by the South African and the British variant. 57 00:02:57,603 --> 00:03:03,116 This study showed us that the efficacy of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine 58 00:03:03,136 --> 00:03:10,432 drops to 89% and 75% for infection caused by the British and South African variant. 59 00:03:10,456 --> 00:03:14,905 MF: But maybe there's been too much fixation on effectiveness all along. 60 00:03:14,905 --> 00:03:19,025 N: Effectiveness is usually the metric for the best possible outcome: 61 00:03:19,045 --> 00:03:20,349 no symptoms at all. 62 00:03:21,118 --> 00:03:22,461 Instead, we could look at 63 00:03:22,481 --> 00:03:26,602 how the vaccines prevent hospitalization and death from COVID-19, 64 00:03:26,622 --> 00:03:30,254 because all these vaccines do that equally well. 65 00:03:33,384 --> 00:03:37,594 MF: Now there is one other aspect that influences how we judge vaccines: 66 00:03:38,069 --> 00:03:39,073 side effects. 67 00:03:39,421 --> 00:03:42,040 N: Reports of rare blood clots have made headlines 68 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:43,536 and got people worried. 69 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:46,138 The EU also decided not to renew its contracts 70 00:03:46,158 --> 00:03:48,567 with AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. 71 00:03:48,587 --> 00:03:52,609 All this might give the impression that some vaccines are worse than others. 72 00:03:53,684 --> 00:03:55,704 MF: But again, it's not that simple 73 00:03:55,724 --> 00:03:59,046 because everyone's individual risk of getting infected 74 00:03:59,066 --> 00:04:03,193 influences the assessment of how beneficial each vaccine is. 75 00:04:04,162 --> 00:04:06,908 N: Let's look at an example with the AstraZeneca vaccine 76 00:04:06,926 --> 00:04:11,391 and assume moderate infection rates of 55 cases per hundred thousand. 77 00:04:11,701 --> 00:04:15,135 Out of 100,000 people under the age of 29, 78 00:04:15,155 --> 00:04:19,568 around two will develop a rare blood clot after the AstraZeneca vaccine, 79 00:04:19,588 --> 00:04:23,686 but none would have needed intensive care with a COVID-19 infection. 80 00:04:24,007 --> 00:04:25,729 But someone over the age of 60 81 00:04:25,749 --> 00:04:29,312 is much more likely to end up in intensive care with COVID-19 82 00:04:29,332 --> 00:04:31,622 and less likely to develop a rare blood clot. 83 00:04:31,642 --> 00:04:34,688 MF: That's why some governments recommend the AstraZeneca vaccine 84 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:36,795 only for people aged 60+. 85 00:04:36,966 --> 00:04:40,383 But this assessment changes if the infection rates are higher. 86 00:04:41,064 --> 00:04:44,589 N: Let's look at the same calculation but with higher infection rates. 87 00:04:44,609 --> 00:04:47,398 Here, 401 cases per hundred thousand. 88 00:04:47,748 --> 00:04:51,910 Now everyone is more likely to end up in intensive care with COVID-19 89 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:54,849 than to develop a blood clot after a vaccine. 90 00:04:55,317 --> 00:04:58,980 In this scenario, the benefit of getting the AstraZeneca vaccine 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,794 outweighs the risk of rare blood clots for all age groups. 92 00:05:06,972 --> 00:05:07,979 CG: And of course, 93 00:05:07,999 --> 00:05:13,345 for a preventive intervention aimed at healthy individuals, like vaccine, 94 00:05:13,345 --> 00:05:14,354 it is crucial 95 00:05:14,374 --> 00:05:15,900 that the risk-benefit balance 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,452 is acceptable for different population, groups or even individuals. 97 00:05:20,472 --> 00:05:22,570 MF: So are some vaccines worse than others? 98 00:05:22,594 --> 00:05:24,668 If we just look at side effects, 99 00:05:24,686 --> 00:05:26,692 some perform slightly better, 100 00:05:26,712 --> 00:05:28,627 at least from what we know so far. 101 00:05:29,144 --> 00:05:31,000 But that's only one aspect 102 00:05:31,022 --> 00:05:33,096 and shouldn't be the only one we consider. 103 00:05:33,578 --> 00:05:35,050 CG: I think that the key issue 104 00:05:35,070 --> 00:05:38,135 is that the best vaccine or vaccination program 105 00:05:38,155 --> 00:05:40,838 is the one that allows us to prevent disease and death. 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,086 And of course, to reduce the direct and indirect consequences - 107 00:05:46,106 --> 00:05:47,366 negative consequences - 108 00:05:47,386 --> 00:05:48,644 on the bad damage. 109 00:05:48,713 --> 00:05:52,133 MF: Any vaccine that received emergency approval from the WHO 110 00:05:52,153 --> 00:05:55,014 protects against severe cases of COVID-19. 111 00:05:55,034 --> 00:05:57,393 They prevent deaths and help end this pandemic. 112 00:05:58,534 --> 00:06:00,512 N: So as long as vaccines are scarce, 113 00:06:00,687 --> 00:06:04,428 there's a pretty good argument to take whichever one is available to us, 114 00:06:04,448 --> 00:06:07,685 because if we insist on getting a specific vaccine, 115 00:06:07,705 --> 00:06:09,844 we might prolong this entire pandemic, 116 00:06:10,262 --> 00:06:12,487 and that can cost lives. 117 00:06:12,507 --> 00:06:15,207 Subtitles by Maurício Kakuei Tanaka Review by Carol Wang