1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [μουσική] 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Αφηγητής: το παρακάτω πρόγραμμα είναι μια προσφορά του ΝΕΤ, 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 του Διεθνούς Τηλεοπτικού Εκπαιδευτικού Δικτύου. 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Δημόσια συζήτηση ανάμεσα στον Τζέιμς Μπάλντουιν και τον Γουίλιαμ Μπάκλεϊ. 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Θέμα: "Το Αμερικάνικο Όνειρο έχει πραγματωθεί 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 εις βάρος των Αφροαμερικανών;" 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Η δημόσια συζήτηση έλαβε χώρα πρόσφατα στο Πανεπιστήμιο του Κέιμπριτζ στην Αγγλία 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και μαγνητοσκοπήθηκε από το NET. 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Βρισκόμαστε στην αίθουσα συζητήσεων της Φοιτητικής Λέσχης του Κέιμπριτζ. 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Περιμένω με ανυπομονησία, μαζί με εκατοντάδες φοιτητές, 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 για τη συζήτηση που αναμένεται να είναι από τις πιο συναρπαστικές 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 που έχουν λάβει χώρα στα 150 χρόνια λειτουργίας της λέσχης. 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Πραγματικά, δεν έχω δει ποτέ τόσο μεγάλο ακροατήριο σε συζήτηση εδώ. 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Η αίθουσα σφύζει από φοιτητές. Κάθονται στα παγκάκια, στο πάτωμα, 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και πολλοί περισσότεροι προσπαθούν να μπουν στην αίθουσα. 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Το θέμα που έχει τραβήξει τόσο μεγάλο ακροατήριο απόψε είναι το εξής: 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Το Αμερικανικό Όνειρο έχει πραγματωθεί εις βάρος των Αφροαμερικανών; 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Τη συζήτηση θα ανοίξουν δύο προπτυχιακοί φοιτητές, 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 υποστηρίζοντας τις δύο αντιμαχόμενες πλευρές, 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και ύστερα θα μιλήσει ο πρώτος επίτιμος καλεσμένος μας, ο κος Τζέιμς Μπόλντουιν. 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ο διάσημος αμερικανός συγγραφέας που έγινε παγκοσμίως γνωστός 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 με το μυθιστόρημα "Μια Άλλη Χώρα". 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ύστερα, κατά της πρότασης θα μιλήσει ο Γουίλιαμ Μπάκλεϊ, επίσης Αμερικανός. 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Γνωστός συντηρητικός στις Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες. 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Να σημειώσω "συντηρητικός" με την έννοια που αποδίδουν οι Αμερικανοί. 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Συγγραφέας του "Up From Liberalism" και αρθρογράφος στο National Review. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ένας από τους πρώτους δημοσιογράφους υπέρ του γερουσιαστή Γκόλντγουοτερ. 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Από στιγμή σε στιγμή, ο πρόεδρος θα εισάγει τους αξιωματικούς 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και τους επίτιμους καλεσμένους του, θα πάρει θέση, 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και θα ξεκινήσει η συζήτηση. 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [χειροκρότημα] 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Πρόεδρος: Η πρόταση απόψε είναι η εξής: 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "Το Αμερικανικό Όνειρο πραγματώθηκε εις βάρος των Αφροαμερικανών." 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Υποστηρικτής της πρότασης, κος Ν. Χέικοκ απ' το Πανεπιστήμιο Πέμπροουκ. 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Αντίθετος, ο κος Τζέρεμι Μπάρφορντ απ' το Κολέγιο Εμάνουελ. 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ο κος Τζέιμς Μπόλντουιν θα μιλήσει τρίτος, ο κος Γουίλιαμ Φ. Μπάκλεϊ τέταρτος. 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Κε Χέικοκ, έχετε την προσοχή μας. 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [χειροκρότημα] 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ντέιβιντ Χέικοκ: Κε πρόεδρε, σύμφωνα με την παράδοση, 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ο πρώτος ομιλητής απευθύνει επισήμως τις ευχαριστίες του στους καλεσμένους. 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ειλικρινά είναι μεγάλη μου τιμή να καλωσορίζω τον κο Γουίλιαμ Μπάκλεϊ 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και τον κο Τζέιμς Μπόλντουιν στο πανέπιστήμιό μας. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ο κος Μπάκλεϊ έχει τη φήμη του πιο εύγλωττου συντηρητικού στις ΗΠΑ. 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Απόφοιτος του Γέιλ, 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 πρωτοέγινε γνωστός με το βιβλίο "Ο Θεός και ο Άνθρωπος στο Γέιλ". 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [γέλια] 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Από τότε, έχει αφιερωθεί στους κοσμικούς, όπως Νόρμαν Μάιλερ, Κένεθ Τίναν, 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μέρι Μακάρθι και Φιντέλ Κάστρο, 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 κανείς από αυτούς δεν βγήκε αλώβητος απ' τις αντιπαραθέσεις. 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [γέλια] 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Η παρούσα ασχολία του είναι η επιμέλεια μιας δεξιάς εφημερίδας στις ΗΠΑ, 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 με τίτλο "The National Review". 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ο κος Τζέιμς Μπόλντουιν δεν χρειάζεται συστάσεις. 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Είναι διεθνώς γνωστός ως συγγραφέας και υπέρμαχος των κοινωνικών δικαιωμάτων. 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Το τρίτο μυθιστόρημά του "Μια Άλλη Χώρα" δημοσιεύθηκε σήμερα στην Αγγλία, 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 σε χαρτόδετη έκδοση. 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Καλωσορίζω θερμά τον κο Μπόλντουιν και τον κο Μπάκλεϊ στη λέσχη μας απόψε. 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [χειροκρότημα] 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Φανταστείτε, κε πρόεδρε, μια κοινωνία 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 που, πάνω απ'όλα δίνει βάση στην ελευθερία και την ισότητα. 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μια κοινωνία, όπου δεν υφίστανται τεχνητά εμπόδια στην προσωπική ολοκλήρωση 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και στην πρόοδο. 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μια κοινωνία, όπου κάποιος μπορεί να γίνει από εργάτης σιδηροδρόμων, πρόεδρος. 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μια κοινωνία, όπου όλοι οι άνθρωποι είναι ελεύθεροι με όλη τη σημασία της λέξης. 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ελεύθεροι να ζήσουν, όπου θέλουν. Ελεύθεροι να δουλέψουν, όπου επιλέξουν. 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ίσοι απέναντι στον νόμο και στην κάθε δημόσια αρχή. 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Και ίσοι στα μάτια των συνανθρώπων τους. 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μια κοινωνία, όπου η μισαλλοδοξία και η προκατάληψη είναι άγνωστοι όροι. 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Φανταστείτε, ωστόσο, ότι μία απ'τις προϋποθέσεις αυτής της κοινωνίας 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 είναι η παρατεταμένη και σκόπιμη εκμετάλλευση του 1/9 των κατοίκων της. 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ένας στους εννέα ανθρώπους έχει στερηθεί τα δικαιώματά του, 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 αυτά που η υπόλοιπη κοινωνία έχει ως δεδομένα. 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ένας στους εννέα δεν έχει την ευκαιρία να ολοκληρωθεί ή να πραγματοποιήσει 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 τις δυνατότητές του. 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ένας στους εννέα δεν μπορεί να υποσχεθεί στα παιδιά του ένα ασφαλές μέλλον 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και απεριόριστες δυνατότητες. 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Φανταστείτε αυτό, κε πρόεδρε, 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και θα συνειδητοποιήσετε την πικρή πραγματικότητα του Αμερικανικού Ονείρου. 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Πριν μερικές εβδομάδες, ο Μάρτιν Λούθερ Κινγκ έκανε μη-βίαιη διαδήλωση 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 στη Σέλμα της Αλαμπάμα, 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 με σκοπό την εγγραφή των νέγρων στους εκλογικούς καταλόγους. 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μέχρι το τέλος της εβδομάδας, έγραψε πολύ εύστοχα σε επιστολή, 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 με σκοπό τη συγκέντρωση χρημάτων, από τη φυλακή της Σέλμα στην Αλαμπάμα, 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "υπάρχουν περισσότεροι νέγροι στη φυλακή, παρά στους εκλογικούς καταλόγους." 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Όταν ο Κινγκ έγραψε την επιστολή, 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 335 απ' τους 32,700 νέγρους στο Ντάλας είχαν το δικαίωμα ψήφου. 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Το ένα τοις εκατό του πληθυσμού στο Ντάλας. 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μετά από μαζική διαδήλωση στο δικαστήριο, 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 237 νέγροι, ο Κινγκ ανάμεσά τους, συνελήφθησαν. 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Την επόμενη μέρα, 470 παιδιά που είχαν φύγει απ'τα σχολεία τους 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 για να διαμαρτυρηθούν ενάντια στη σύλληψη του Κινγκ, 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 κατηγορήθηκαν για νεανική παραβατικότητα. 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [γέλια] 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Την ίδια μέρα, 36 ενήλικες κατηγορήθηκαν για καταφρόνηση δικαστικής αρχής, 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 επειδή διαμαρτυρήθηκαν έξω απ' το κτίριο, 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 την ώρα που συνεδρίαζε το Κομητειακό Δικαστήριο. 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Την επόμενη μέρα, 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 111 άνθρωποι συνελήφθησαν με την ίδια κατηγορία, 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 παρόλο που δήλωσαν ότι ήθελαν απλώς να δουν τους εκλογικούς καταλόγους. 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 400 φοιτητές συνελήφθησαν και μεταφέρθηκαν στο οπλοστάσιο, 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 όπου πέρασαν τη νύχτα πάνω στο κρύο τσιμεντένιο πάτωμα. 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Την επόμενη μέρα, οι διαμαρτυρίες εξαπλώθηκαν στο Μάριον της Αλαμπάμα. 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Στο Μάριον, οι νέγροι ξεπερνούν σε αριθμό τους λευκούς, 11,000 προς 6,000 κάτοικοι. 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Παρόλα αυτά, μόνο 300 νέγροι έχουν το δικαίωμα ψήφου. 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Οι νέγροι στο Μάριον ήθελαν 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 να δοκιμάσουν την εφαρμογή του νόμου για τους δημόσιους χώρους. 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μπήκαν σε ένα μαγαζί, όπου τους σέρβιραν κόκα-κόλα με αλάτι 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και τους είπαν ότι τα χαμπέργκερ είχαν πάει 5 δολάρια το ένα. 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Μετά τη σύλληψη 15 νέγρων, 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 που διαμαρτυρήθηκαν για αυτή την αντιμετώπιση, 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 700 νέγροι δεν πήγαν στα μαθήματά τους 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 και παρήλασαν ειρηνικά προς τη φυλακή. 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Εκεί τραγούδησαν ύμνους για τον αγώνα των κοινωνικών δικαιωμάτων, 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 μέχρι που απειλήθηκαν από έναν αστυνομικό ότι αν τολμήσουν να πουν άλλο τραγούδι, 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 θα συλληφθούν. Και βέβαια τραγούδησαν 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 144 99:59:59,999 --> 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