WEBVTT 00:00:03.783 --> 00:00:09.263 00:00:09.263 --> 00:00:10.653 開機 00:00:10.653 --> 00:00:11.885 這是一件重大的事 00:00:11.885 --> 00:00:12.995 這令人感到驚艷 00:00:12.995 --> 00:00:15.516 我不得不一直提醒自己 這都不是真實的 00:00:15.516 --> 00:00:18.574 我們正在做的是一部 有歷史意義的電影 00:00:18.574 --> 00:00:23.519 我的電影生涯有百分之九十都在這了 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:25.169 就像這樣 00:00:25.169 --> 00:00:28.571 來這裏做一部以威廉斯堡為背景的表演 00:00:28.571 --> 00:00:34.655 在柏林做這件事 就好在我的腦海裡表演 00:00:34.655 --> 00:00:41.198 一系列的意第緒語 對我來說,是一件很棒的事 00:00:41.198 --> 00:00:44.026 將要處理一種沒人理解的語言 00:00:44.026 --> 00:00:47.258 我是指,我們正在處理的是 沒人能理解的服裝和儀式 00:00:47.258 --> 00:00:50.785 但本質上的事卻是普遍能理解的 00:00:50.785 --> 00:00:55.505 這是一個非常美麗且獨特的故事 00:00:55.505 --> 00:00:59.355 故事像是描繪了兩個不同的世界 00:00:59.355 --> 00:01:04.385 我不認為這是個關於上帝存在與否或是類似宗教的故事 00:01:04.385 --> 00:01:10.807 更像是一個...勇敢為自己發聲的故事 00:01:10.807 --> 00:01:13.537 很多人都像我一樣 從來都沒有這樣的機會 00:01:13.537 --> 00:01:16.519 我們從來沒有在大眾文化的故事中 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.142 看到自己的影子 00:01:18.142 --> 00:01:20.787 所以我們真的不知道 該如何去創造自己的故事 00:01:20.787 --> 00:01:23.634 我想這是有史以來 第一個真實描繪 00:01:23.634 --> 00:01:25.356 哈希德派的節目 00:01:25.356 --> 00:01:29.704 他們是真實存在的人 他們的經歷也是非常普遍的 00:01:29.704 --> 00:01:31.371 你可以很容易地產生連結 00:01:31.371 --> 00:01:34.338 當大家看到作品的時候 會有人像我一樣 00:01:34.338 --> 00:01:38.537 看到的是這個女孩子 過著跟她一模一樣的生活 00:01:38.537 --> 00:01:42.952 而且她還有勇氣去追逐夢想 00:01:42.952 --> 00:01:45.085 也許自己也可以做到 00:01:53.143 --> 00:01:56.220 當我遇到Ann和Alexa的時候 我們就成了朋友 00:01:56.220 --> 00:02:00.168 我意識到,如果真的有人要去掌握 00:02:00.168 --> 00:02:01.653 這個故事真正的意義 00:02:01.653 --> 00:02:03.555 並真正的去執行 00:02:03.555 --> 00:02:06.403 且對文化產生正面的影響 00:02:06.403 --> 00:02:07.853 那就是這些女人了 00:02:07.853 --> 00:02:09.972 在我遇見Deborah之後,我讀了她的書 00:02:09.972 --> 00:02:11.357 我認為非常的精彩 00:02:11.357 --> 00:02:14.357 我一口氣把這本書看完 00:02:14.357 --> 00:02:16.592 接著,她說: 00:02:16.592 --> 00:02:19.848 「為什麼你不把我的書做成電視劇呢?」 00:02:19.848 --> 00:02:22.356 我和Anna想要一起做一部戲已經一段時間了 00:02:22.356 --> 00:02:27.503 我們討論了很多主題 00:02:27.503 --> 00:02:31.738 討論了很多關於在德國生活的猶太人 00:02:31.738 --> 00:02:34.371 對我來說,這是一個關於年輕女性 00:02:34.371 --> 00:02:37.057 尋找自我的故事 00:02:37.057 --> 00:02:39.807 並且在這個世界裡尋找她的群體 00:02:39.807 --> 00:02:42.408 Esther是一個19歲的少女 00:02:42.408 --> 00:02:46.441 他在布魯克林的威廉斯堡出生長大 00:02:46.441 --> 00:02:49.941 這裡有一個族群叫做薩圖馬雷 00:02:51.491 --> 00:02:54.338 - 小艾,別忘了,讓他先開口。 00:02:54.338 --> 00:02:58.221 她生長在一個非常虔誠的社區 00:02:58.221 --> 00:03:04.372 並且,把自己從一段不幸福的指定婚姻裡解放出來 00:03:04.372 --> 00:03:06.024 然後逃到了柏林 00:03:06.024 --> 00:03:10.184 她的故事非常獨特且浪漫 00:03:10.184 --> 00:03:13.423 我們覺得它是如此的不同 就像怎麼會有人離開 00:03:13.423 --> 00:03:18.645 紐約布魯克林的威廉斯堡裡 這個非常孤立的社區 00:03:18.645 --> 00:03:22.255 並無奈地找到了他們的方式 00:03:22.255 --> 00:03:25.605 從很小的時後,她就覺得自己與眾不同 00:03:25.605 --> 00:03:28.242 也總是被別人說她很不一樣 00:03:28.242 --> 00:03:32.672 事實上她的心裡也有很多的疑問 00:03:32.672 --> 00:03:35.643 你可以說她有點“無所畏懼” 00:03:36.223 --> 00:03:40.706 薩圖馬雷的猶太人是哈西德教派 00:03:40.706 --> 00:03:43.622 來自匈牙利的薩圖馬雷市 00:03:43.622 --> 00:03:47.673 他們大多是希特勒大屠殺倖存者們的後裔 00:03:47.673 --> 00:03:52.105 戰後,由那些倖存者們在紐約創立的 00:03:52.105 --> 00:03:54.606 這讓他們和其他很多 00:03:54.606 --> 00:03:56.890 哈西德派的族群不一樣 00:03:56.890 --> 00:04:00.774 因為他們戰後才發展了他們的想法 00:04:00.774 --> 00:04:02.154 而不是戰前 00:04:02.154 --> 00:04:04.519 它是被那些苦苦掙扎在 00:04:04.519 --> 00:04:06.996 我們所能想像 巨大創傷之中的人創立的 00:04:06.996 --> 00:04:10.155 對於第一代 00:04:10.155 --> 00:04:12.422 甚至是第二代 00:04:12.422 --> 00:04:14.488 這個創傷是一個很大的推進力 00:04:14.488 --> 00:04:17.261 造就了這個群體的意識結構 00:04:17.261 --> 00:04:21.725 薩瑪圖雷這個族群也很特別 意第緒語是他們的母語 00:04:21.725 --> 00:04:24.658 我想他們在某種程度上可以被視為 00:04:24.658 --> 00:04:26.614 意第緒語的傳承 00:04:27.194 --> 00:04:28.923 - 為什麼是柏林 - 你說呢 00:04:28.923 --> 00:04:31.556 - 什麼意思? - 她那瘋狂的媽媽住在柏林 00:04:31.556 --> 00:04:35.310 對我們來說,在現今的故事裡 做一些改變是很重要的 00:04:35.310 --> 00:04:38.077 從作者黛博拉費德曼本人的真實生活中 00:04:38.077 --> 00:04:40.942 她是一位年輕的女性 一個公眾人物 00:04:40.942 --> 00:04:44.689 是一個知識份子 我們希望艾絲特在柏林的生活 00:04:44.689 --> 00:04:49.042 可以跟黛博拉在柏林的真實生活 有很大的不同 00:04:49.042 --> 00:04:51.956 所以艾絲特在布魯克林的過去和原著很相似 00:04:51.956 --> 00:04:55.108 但在柏林的經歷幾乎都是虛構的 00:04:57.348 --> 00:05:00.208 你必須脫離那些陳腔濫調 00:05:00.208 --> 00:05:03.908 去超越那些我們所投影出 00:05:03.908 --> 00:05:05.823 那些族群的生活可能是什麼樣子 00:05:05.823 --> 00:05:09.857 這對我們來說很重要 試著不只是去注意那些外表、情感 00:05:09.857 --> 00:05:13.804 服裝、儀式、和所有對的東西 00:05:13.804 --> 00:05:19.774 而是試著去深入思考那些角色的世界 00:05:19.774 --> 00:05:21.675 這才是真實的 00:05:21.675 --> 00:05:24.190 層次也被提高了 因為這只是個電視劇 00:05:24.190 --> 00:05:26.958 我會覺得,一般來說 當你在表現不同的群體 00:05:26.958 --> 00:05:30.745 特別是邊界的那些族群 00:05:30.745 --> 00:05:33.755 你更要把細節都做到好 00:05:33.755 --> 00:05:36.876 我們知道讓所有人都有共識有多重要 00:05:36.876 --> 00:05:40.790 不只是演員,更是幕前幕後的所有人 00:05:40.790 --> 00:05:42.825 那些來自這個群體的人 00:05:42.825 --> 00:05:46.440 所以我們娉請的第一個人就是Eli Rosen 00:05:46.440 --> 00:05:52.907 他是一個演員、一個翻譯 也是個專家顧問 00:05:52.907 --> 00:05:54.740 00:05:54.740 --> 00:05:56.907 00:05:56.907 --> 00:05:59.158 00:05:59.158 --> 00:06:01.374 00:06:01.374 --> 00:06:03.809 00:06:03.809 --> 00:06:06.244 00:06:06.244 --> 00:06:08.527 00:06:08.527 --> 00:06:11.841 00:06:11.841 --> 00:06:14.990 00:06:14.990 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