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Well, it's almost time[br]to begin the presentation.
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We will begin this last session[br]with a presentation on WikiCite,
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led by Elizabeth Seiver,[br]Simon Cobb, and Liam Wyatt.
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And I'll just let you introduce yourself.
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Please don't hesitate[br]to take notes on Etherpad.
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Thank you for everything.
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Alright, let's get started.
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So, I'm Elizabeth Seiver.
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I'm the outgoing[br]program manager for WikiCite.
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And I wanted to tell you all[br]a little bit about it.
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Just as a show of hands, how many people[br]are already familiar with WikiCite?
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That's great. I'm just glad[br]that so many of you are.
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I was wondering how many people here--[br]I was thinking about it--
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is just like, "Who are all these people[br]putting all the citations
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in Wikidata and filling it up?"
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And WikiCite is so much more.
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So, we're all excited[br]to tell you about it today.
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So, what is WikiCite?
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The goal of WikiCite[br]is to collect all citations
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for the sum of all human knowledge.
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You know, just a little something.
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And we're doing this in a number of ways.
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And one of them[br]is via conferences and workshops
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and getting together[br]the community of people
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who are interested[br]in working on citations.
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And it's a very diverse group of people.
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So, of course, we have people[br]who are working in Wikidata,
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and other Wikimedians.
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We have librarians,[br]people into linked open data,
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software engineers, data scientists,[br]open knowledge advocates--
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coming together about[br]linked open bibliographic data.
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So, in terms of the history of WikiCite,
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it was founded as an initiative in 2016.
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And we secured dedicated funding[br]for events for three years in 2018.
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And as I mentioned,[br]you're probably familiar with the big--
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the millions of citations[br]that we already have
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that are hosted on Wikidata.
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So, what are we doing in WikiCite[br]and with all these citations?
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It's not just about collecting them.[br]It's about using them.
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And it creates so many opportunities[br]for new projects.
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So, one of the things[br]you can do with this data
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is build data models[br]for bibliographic item types,
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which should be exciting for people[br]who are into schemas.
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You can also do open cataloging[br]and disambiguation--
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sorry, my notes are not in sync with this.
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And people are also building[br]tools on top of this.
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Visualization tools, such as Scholia.
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If you're interested at all[br]in open cataloging,
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or author disambiguation,
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or just even figuring out[br]how sources link together,
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WikiCite is a good way to do that.
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So, in terms of the direction[br]that WikiCite is heading in,
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one of the things[br]we're trying to do is expand
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all the types of things that are cited.
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Right now, in Wikidata,[br]it's mostly journal articles.
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We'd like to keep growing our community,
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especially outside of the Global North
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and outside of English[br]language publications.
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And I realize this is actually something[br]that Liam will be talking about.
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So, what we wanted to do now,
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to do sort of a deep dive[br]into one of the uses of Wikidata.
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So, for that, I would like[br]to introduce Simon Cobb.
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Hi, everyone.
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So, what I want to talk about[br]is an example of something
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we could potentially focus on[br]within the scope of WikiCite.
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And that's the data quality issues[br]that I've been encountering
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over the last year, as I've been editing[br]on scholarly papers.
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The three issues I'm going[br]to briefly touch on
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are the quality of the author items[br]that are getting attached
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to scholarly articles,[br]issues around DOI formats,
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and just general curation[br]of the data that we're creating.
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Firstly, we look at some authors.
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Oh, sorry, firstly,[br]I'll provide some context.
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We've got 26 million[br]scholarly article items now.
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And the data quality issues[br]I'm going to talk about,
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a very small proportion of these
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are generally creating[br]quite good quality data.
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We have a lot of external identifiers--[br]21.65 million PubMed IDs,
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19 million DOIs, and we've added[br]8.3 million author statements,
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although we still have 105.5 million[br]author name strings to replace.
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In terms of the authors,
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we've been creating a lot[br]of items from ORCID IDs.
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We've got over half a million items[br]with an ORCID ID now.
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But over 50% of those[br]do not have any affiliation data yet.
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And that's now in employer[br]or in educated at.
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I found 25,000
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where we only have two statements.
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That's an ORCID ID,[br]and an instance of a human.
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This isn't particularly[br]useful in terms of--
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we use for anyone else[br]and beyond Wikidata.
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If we're serious about approaching[br]a bibliographic database
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and providing open data for people,
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we really need to be focusing[br]on quality, I believe.
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So, there's a lot of work to be done.
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We've done really well[br]with automatic input,
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but I think we need to, in the future,
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step back and think[br]how can we really make this data useful.
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And one of the ways to do that
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is by making our author items[br]better quality
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by adding affiliation information,[br]adding first names, surnames,
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and just moving beyond[br]occupation researcher,
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trying to get what field people[br]are working in, for example.
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Moving on to DOIs.
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When I was looking at how many[br]scholarly papers we have now,
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I immediately noticed that we have DOIs[br]that are just four characters.
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And that is not a correct DOI.
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We've got about 110 items[br]with this DOI format.
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In the grand scheme of things,[br]not that big a problem.
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But that's never been a correct DOI
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that's being created[br]by an automatic process.
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No one's checked that and realized[br]we had this error and corrected it.
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So, it's kind of an appeal[br]I want to make to people--
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if you're doing batch imports,[br]to check what you're doing,
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look for these obvious[br]data quality problems.
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And another final issue[br]that I've noticed is errata.
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We have over 13 thousand items[br]that are instance of errata,
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but they're not linked[br]to the paper they're correcting.
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So, I've also produced a table[br]of the top ten titles of the--
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these are errata items.
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You will notice they're not[br]particularly informative.
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So, as some point,[br]we're going to have to go back
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and look at how we can actually[br]get the information
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about what these errata are correcting,
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because they're not really[br]of much use to anyone at the moment.
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So, in the future, I hope this is one area[br]that we can work on as a community,
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and we can coordinate a bit better[br]with what data imports we're doing,
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and how we can curate all our data,[br]bring it all together,
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and combine our expertise.
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I'm going to pass over to Liam now
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to talk a bit about how we might be able[br]to coordinate our efforts in the future.
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Thank you.
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So, as mentioned[br]in the final slide from Elizabeth,
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WikiCite is trying to be[br]more and more diverse,
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and high quality, and more widely spread.
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The idea is over the next year or so,[br]with the dedicated funding
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that's been provided and is available[br]over a three-year period,
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of which we've entered,
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to change WikiCite-- the conference--[br]which there's been a few--
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into a series of proposals from you,
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into what we're calling[br]"satellite events" around the world.
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This will be focusing--[br]there'll be a call for a proposal system--
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like reviewing a procedure
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that is currently not yet invented
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for deciding on how to--
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what's the word I'm after--
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prioritize these requests.
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And see if we can't get a wider diversity
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of content contributor and topic
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supported in the WikiCite umbrella,
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through this series of satellite events.
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To that end,
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the WikiCite grant--
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was successfully applied for and received
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through the work[br]of WikiCite's father, Dario,
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who many of you might know[br]from the Wikimedia Foundation.
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Dario no longer works[br]with the Wikimedia Foundation,
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and so this grant has a--
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needed a home.
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What has happened[br]is that the WikiCite steering committee,
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primarily made up of the organizing team
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from last year's WikiCite conference,
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will continue to oversee this work,
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and the Wikimedia Foundation[br]has hired a temporary
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or a part-time coordinator,
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to oversee and support that work,
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and to promote and receive[br]those applications
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for the satellite events.
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And that will be me.
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(laughter and cheers)
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So, I got the call yesterday
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so that I could be able[br]to like confirm that in--
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among an audience[br]which is highly relevant to that topic.
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Which is helpful, so I can talk to you[br]here and now about that.
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So, this is listed as a panel[br]in the program.
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Even though it's a bit of a--
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I think panel is a generous way
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of describing the three of us[br]in this context.
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But the idea is we would like[br]to hear from you
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on that immediate thought about--
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or questions to Simon, as well--
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if you have questions[br]for Simon, specifically--
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about what you think are good directions
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that should be addressed[br]or should be attempted
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in this forthcoming year,
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either individually, online--
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and things that not[br]necessarily you can do,
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but think should be done.
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And specifically, to start thinking about
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what a satellite event would mean
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with relation to open citations
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and how the community at large[br]would best be served
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by that kind of support.
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Beyond merely financial,[br]but what does support mean
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for satellite events in open citations[br]according to you.
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If you want to come back up, and we can--
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Did you have a question?
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(woman) Ah, yes. I do research[br]on predatory publishing
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and on retractions.
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You only mentioned errata.
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So, how are you dealing[br]with expressions of concern
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and retractions?
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And what is your policy on trying[br]to identify predatory publishers?
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Okay, so, within the scope[br]of preparing for this,
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I wasn't looking at retractions,[br]but people have been doing work on that
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and trying to-- we have a property--[br]notice of retractions--
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so we can be creating those links.
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I don't know what extent[br]that's happened in the same way.
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Not all the errata are linked[br]to the paper that's being corrected.
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I suspect that's a similar case with--
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- (woman) It's exactly the same.[br]- Yeah.
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As I said, I wasn't looking at that,
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but we can potentially link the retraction[br]to the retracted article,
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the retraction notice[br]to the retracted article.
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In terms of predatory publishers,
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I'm not aware of anyone[br]having done any work in this area,
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but I wouldn't like to say[br]that hasn't happened.
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We have Charles, whose hand[br]is going up there.
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Do you want to comment[br]on predatory publishers, Charles?
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(Charles) Well, I encountered[br]this problem in the ScienceSource project.
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And first of all, I did what I could[br]to put fields list in Wikidata format.
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Fields list isn't sort of what everybody[br]wants to be dealing with,
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but it was a starting point.
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So, that has been done,[br]as far as I was able to.
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But the thing I rely on more, perhaps,
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is DOAJ IDs.
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That is, if we put all the DOAJ IDs
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into Wikidata,
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we'd have made a really good attempt
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to isolate the predatory publishers.
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And that is not the whole story,
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but these days,[br]it's the bulk of the story.
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(woman) [Is the directory[br]of open access there?]
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- (Charles) Directory of open access, yes.[br]- (woman) Alright, good.
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(man) To start with, I just spent a year[br]traveling around New Zealand
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trying to explain Wikidata[br]to the library community,
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and as soon as I mentioned WikiCite,[br]their eyes rolled,
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because they've just been told[br]they have to be [up] with Wikipedia,
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Wiki Commons, Wikidata.
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Here's another Wiki project[br]that they need to know about.
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"Why can't we just do it all[br]with Wikidata?" they were saying.
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So, there's a public perception[br]problem straightaway,
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and that's the very community[br]that we need to have onboard
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for this to work.
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I'm interested in thinking[br]how we are going to reach
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the library community, educate them,[br]and get them integrally involved
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in this process?
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I have thoughts, but I'd like[br]to hear your thoughts first.
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- Sure, I think--[br]- (assistant) [This one is on.]
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This better? Alright.
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Feel like I'm in a concert.
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So, one of the things we've tried to do
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is incorporate librarians and libraries
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into WikiCite in everything that we do.
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So, on the steering committee,
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we have at least[br]two librarians, if not more.
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And at our actual WikiCite events,
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one of the things that's actually[br]pretty great about WikiCite
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is that we end up getting[br]both speakers and participants,
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who maybe are not actually involved[br]in any Wiki projects.
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So, we don't have Wiki fatigue.
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And a lot of times, they're coming[br]from the perspective of...
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"Well, I'm interested in linked open data,
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I love to use citations at my university,
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can you tell me a little bit more[br]about how Wikidata works,
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and how I might use the citations[br]that are in Wikidata?"
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So, I think it's very much[br]about bringing these communities together,
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which might seem disparate,[br]around these common goals
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for people who are really concerned[br]about curating data,
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and then, people who might already know[br]about how to do that on Wikidata.
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I would say, in terms of the confusion,
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the complexity implied by the question[br]of well, there's WikiCite,
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and there's Wikidata, and there's this...
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WikiCite is a brand name,[br]it's a project-- GLAM-Wiki--
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GLAM-Wiki also uses the word Wiki,
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but it's not pretending to be a Wiki
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or competing with Wikipedia and Wikidata.
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It's the particular focus area[br]of reference information,
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"referenceable" information.
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Now, particularly in the context[br]of a series of conferences
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that have happened[br]over the last few years,
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and the conference is called WikiCite--
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particularly within this community,[br]the Wikidata core group,
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WikiCite is seen, known, understood[br]as a large number of items
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uploaded to Wikidata[br]about scholarly publications.
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That is what is understood as WikiCite[br]by this community, mostly.
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I would like to--
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there is a question about,
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could WikiCite be made[br]into its own Wikibase
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of just citation stuff?
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Not Wikidata, and then there's federation,
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and funky things like that,
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and you could put a lot more[br]very specific information
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about individual, citable things there,
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which is a perfectly valid way
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of dealing with questions[br]of notability and properties.
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But the technology for doing that
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is not yet relevant in any way.
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We need a lot more work,[br]particularly on federation in Wikibase
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to make sure everything syncs neatly.
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So, until such time[br]as that would be a viable outcome,
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in the meantime, all of the things[br]that would serve that kind of outcome
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also serve just improving[br]the quality on Wikidata
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and improving the links[br]with Wikipedia and Wikisource.
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The brand name is,[br]as far as I'm concerned, irrelevant.
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It's just the project to make[br]better footnotes.
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(woman 2) Just a comment[br]in relation to your query
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about satellite proposals
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for satellite conferences--
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I don't think you realize[br]the level of ignorance
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about Wiki-anything[br]from our country in New Zealand.
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I mean, seriously.
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As an Australian, I recognize[br]the ignorance of New Zealanders--
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(laughter)
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(woman 2) Oh, [inaudible], come on!
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What I'm trying to say[br]is that if we have a satellite
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or somehow organize[br]a joint satellite conference,
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from my perspective, what I'm looking for
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is strategies and how[br]to engage the community.
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They aren't even at the level of being--
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they don't know enough[br]to even be enthusiastic
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about Wikidata and WikiCite yet.
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They look at it with a lot of skepticism,[br]if they're even aware of it.
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So I, in particular, want to be able[br]to have a meeting
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in order to be able to learn from those.
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We've already engaged[br]more successfully with the community
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to get a skill base in order to build[br]some collaborations in New Zealand.
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You're talking about extra people[br]to actually engage with.
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I just want the core library community[br]to get on board,
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and then go the extra step.
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It's like I'm looking at you saying[br]that we want to reach out
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to other communities,
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and I'm saying, I just want[br]to reach out to a community.
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You know, we're a lot further[br]behind where we are.
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So, yeah.
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I would not wish to pretend that WikiCite[br]and open bibliographic information
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is the be-all and end-all of Wikidata[br]or Wikimedia outreach.
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It's a specific subset.
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And I would not wish to try[br]and make WikiCite a brand,
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appear to be overriding or replacing
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or somehow getting in the way
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of just general, good quality outreach[br]about Wikimedia,
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and working with libraries,[br]in general, and Wikidata,
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even more specific.
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This is a subset of Wikidata.
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So, particularly, for WikiCite[br]satellite events,
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I don't want to make it appear[br]like there's a competition for Wiki--
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so, everything about Wikidata now[br]has to be called WikiCite-- no.
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This is a really quite niche--[br]in the scheme of things-- topic area,
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supporting general awareness-raising
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about Wikidata[br]and open access information,
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and Wikimedia is far beyond the scope
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of this kind of particular[br]specialist outreach.
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And that's not to say[br]that it's not a good thing, too.
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(woman 2) I just perceived--[br]sorry, one more comment--
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WikiCite as the possible inroad
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to those at the wider community
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for the people we want to get on board.
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So, to me, WikiCite is--[br]yes, it's a subset,
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and really a much smaller set[br]of beliefs and information, et cetera--
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but I see it as an easy steppingstone[br]to get them addicted,
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and then you can open it up.
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So, yeah.
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(assistant) We have just time[br]for one short question.
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So, one of you have another question[br]for the WikiCite team?
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Thank you for sharing[br]this feedback with us.
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Oh, somebody has a question.
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(assistant) Which one of you wants to...
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(woman 3) Hi, thank you so much for this.
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I was just wondering,[br]is there ever going to be
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a paring of the bibliography[br]used in Wikipedia articles and WikiCite?
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Are you planning to move[br]all those references and parse them
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so that we can do some analyses[br]of which references we're using
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in the Wikipedia articles--
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and when you create an article[br]in another language
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just to get suggestions of this,[br]are the references that have been used,
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kind of like that.
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I know one of the short-term goals[br]of WikiCite is to have all citations
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in WikiProjects represented in Wikidata.
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Currently, there's not[br]an automatic pipeline
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that keeps that updated,
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but that's definitely one[br]of our primary goals.
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And ultimately, there[br]is not specific support
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in the developer community[br]for that kind of activity in particular.
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That's on the interests[br]of individual community members
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to do exports-- like all this work[br]that's been demonstrated
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that's not from the foundation--
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people doing individual work[br]on their interests.
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So, that could be a good satellite event
0:24:23.316,0:24:26.438
to try and explore that kind of work.
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Getting it a good pipeline[br]so that you can make references
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in Wikipedia's easily hook[br]into Wikidata items,
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multilingual, et cetera--
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does not yet exist technologically,
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and certain languages[br]have concerns about that.
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The larger the Wikipedia language,[br]the more defensive they are
0:24:50.135,0:24:53.224
about using Wikidata directly.
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But that'll come.
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Yeah, I was just going to say[br]when Liam's finished with that--
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that it's strictly citations or something[br]that are very much within scope,
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and what we would like to work for,[br]but that needs community to build this,
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to take on that challenge, I think.
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And also, we need to be doing the outreach[br]to the Wikipedians to show them
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that we can provide good[br]quality data consistently.
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(assistant) We are running out of time.
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So, if someone has another question
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I think that these nice people[br]will ask you privately after.
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So, it's time for us,[br]for the last edition,
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and we are welcoming on stage.
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Jean-Fred, Envel, and...
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(applause)