0:00:06.292,0:00:10.018 Well, it's almost time[br]to begin the presentation. 0:00:11.598,0:00:17.114 We will begin this last session[br]with a presentation on WikiCite, 0:00:17.883,0:00:22.029 led by Elizabeth Seiver,[br]Simon Cobb, and Liam Wyatt. 0:00:22.029,0:00:26.280 And I'll just let you introduce yourself. 0:00:27.129,0:00:30.288 Please don't hesitate[br]to take notes on Etherpad. 0:00:30.746,0:00:33.214 Thank you for everything. 0:00:35.359,0:00:37.055 Alright, let's get started. 0:00:37.055,0:00:38.474 So, I'm Elizabeth Seiver. 0:00:38.474,0:00:42.784 I'm the outgoing[br]program manager for WikiCite. 0:00:42.784,0:00:45.247 And I wanted to tell you all[br]a little bit about it. 0:00:45.247,0:00:48.375 Just as a show of hands, how many people[br]are already familiar with WikiCite? 0:00:49.020,0:00:51.773 That's great. I'm just glad[br]that so many of you are. 0:00:51.773,0:00:54.366 I was wondering how many people here--[br]I was thinking about it-- 0:00:54.366,0:00:57.641 is just like, "Who are all these people[br]putting all the citations 0:00:57.641,0:00:59.629 in Wikidata and filling it up?" 0:00:59.629,0:01:01.052 And WikiCite is so much more. 0:01:01.052,0:01:03.850 So, we're all excited[br]to tell you about it today. 0:01:05.676,0:01:07.425 So, what is WikiCite? 0:01:08.275,0:01:12.098 The goal of WikiCite[br]is to collect all citations 0:01:12.098,0:01:14.185 for the sum of all human knowledge. 0:01:14.185,0:01:16.046 You know, just a little something. 0:01:16.046,0:01:19.696 And we're doing this in a number of ways. 0:01:20.915,0:01:25.286 And one of them[br]is via conferences and workshops 0:01:25.286,0:01:27.727 and getting together[br]the community of people 0:01:27.727,0:01:30.482 who are interested[br]in working on citations. 0:01:30.482,0:01:32.992 And it's a very diverse group of people. 0:01:32.992,0:01:35.463 So, of course, we have people[br]who are working in Wikidata, 0:01:35.463,0:01:36.879 and other Wikimedians. 0:01:36.879,0:01:40.580 We have librarians,[br]people into linked open data, 0:01:40.580,0:01:44.751 software engineers, data scientists,[br]open knowledge advocates-- 0:01:45.517,0:01:50.211 coming together about[br]linked open bibliographic data. 0:01:53.226,0:01:55.858 So, in terms of the history of WikiCite, 0:01:55.858,0:01:59.185 it was founded as an initiative in 2016. 0:01:59.485,0:02:05.456 And we secured dedicated funding[br]for events for three years in 2018. 0:02:05.456,0:02:10.677 And as I mentioned,[br]you're probably familiar with the big-- 0:02:11.380,0:02:13.445 the millions of citations[br]that we already have 0:02:13.445,0:02:15.184 that are hosted on Wikidata. 0:02:23.293,0:02:27.601 So, what are we doing in WikiCite[br]and with all these citations? 0:02:27.601,0:02:30.278 It's not just about collecting them.[br]It's about using them. 0:02:30.278,0:02:36.038 And it creates so many opportunities[br]for new projects. 0:02:36.567,0:02:38.798 So, one of the things[br]you can do with this data 0:02:38.798,0:02:42.161 is build data models[br]for bibliographic item types, 0:02:42.161,0:02:44.998 which should be exciting for people[br]who are into schemas. 0:02:45.973,0:02:50.319 You can also do open cataloging[br]and disambiguation-- 0:02:51.856,0:02:54.209 sorry, my notes are not in sync with this. 0:02:54.448,0:02:57.396 And people are also building[br]tools on top of this. 0:02:57.896,0:03:00.833 Visualization tools, such as Scholia. 0:03:03.275,0:03:06.995 If you're interested at all[br]in open cataloging, 0:03:06.995,0:03:09.305 or author disambiguation, 0:03:10.201,0:03:12.912 or just even figuring out[br]how sources link together, 0:03:12.912,0:03:15.306 WikiCite is a good way to do that. 0:03:17.331,0:03:20.454 So, in terms of the direction[br]that WikiCite is heading in, 0:03:21.021,0:03:23.306 one of the things[br]we're trying to do is expand 0:03:23.306,0:03:25.566 all the types of things that are cited. 0:03:25.566,0:03:28.441 Right now, in Wikidata,[br]it's mostly journal articles. 0:03:28.927,0:03:31.078 We'd like to keep growing our community, 0:03:31.078,0:03:32.870 especially outside of the Global North 0:03:32.870,0:03:35.862 and outside of English[br]language publications. 0:03:36.635,0:03:41.409 And I realize this is actually something[br]that Liam will be talking about. 0:03:42.704,0:03:45.537 So, what we wanted to do now, 0:03:45.537,0:03:49.840 to do sort of a deep dive[br]into one of the uses of Wikidata. 0:03:49.840,0:03:53.725 So, for that, I would like[br]to introduce Simon Cobb. 0:03:57.294,0:03:58.348 Hi, everyone. 0:03:58.348,0:04:01.260 So, what I want to talk about[br]is an example of something 0:04:01.260,0:04:05.061 we could potentially focus on[br]within the scope of WikiCite. 0:04:05.061,0:04:08.056 And that's the data quality issues[br]that I've been encountering 0:04:08.056,0:04:12.388 over the last year, as I've been editing[br]on scholarly papers. 0:04:15.549,0:04:17.934 The three issues I'm going[br]to briefly touch on 0:04:17.934,0:04:21.059 are the quality of the author items[br]that are getting attached 0:04:21.059,0:04:24.996 to scholarly articles,[br]issues around DOI formats, 0:04:24.996,0:04:29.038 and just general curation[br]of the data that we're creating. 0:04:31.269,0:04:33.578 Firstly, we look at some authors. 0:04:33.578,0:04:35.798 Oh, sorry, firstly,[br]I'll provide some context. 0:04:35.798,0:04:38.952 We've got 26 million[br]scholarly article items now. 0:04:38.952,0:04:41.943 And the data quality issues[br]I'm going to talk about, 0:04:41.943,0:04:43.844 a very small proportion of these 0:04:43.844,0:04:47.448 are generally creating[br]quite good quality data. 0:04:48.467,0:04:53.645 We have a lot of external identifiers--[br]21.65 million PubMed IDs, 0:04:53.645,0:04:59.595 19 million DOIs, and we've added[br]8.3 million author statements, 0:04:59.972,0:05:05.200 although we still have 105.5 million[br]author name strings to replace. 0:05:07.308,0:05:09.562 In terms of the authors, 0:05:09.562,0:05:12.823 we've been creating a lot[br]of items from ORCID IDs. 0:05:14.583,0:05:17.950 We've got over half a million items[br]with an ORCID ID now. 0:05:18.437,0:05:22.848 But over 50% of those[br]do not have any affiliation data yet. 0:05:23.455,0:05:26.697 And that's now in employer[br]or in educated at. 0:05:26.697,0:05:28.727 I found 25,000 0:05:28.727,0:05:30.757 where we only have two statements. 0:05:30.757,0:05:34.786 That's an ORCID ID,[br]and an instance of a human. 0:05:34.786,0:05:37.747 This isn't particularly[br]useful in terms of-- 0:05:39.105,0:05:42.267 we use for anyone else[br]and beyond Wikidata. 0:05:42.267,0:05:45.510 If we're serious about approaching[br]a bibliographic database 0:05:45.510,0:05:47.696 and providing open data for people, 0:05:47.696,0:05:50.773 we really need to be focusing[br]on quality, I believe. 0:05:52.083,0:05:54.014 So, there's a lot of work to be done. 0:05:54.014,0:05:56.852 We've done really well[br]with automatic input, 0:05:56.852,0:05:59.287 but I think we need to, in the future, 0:05:59.287,0:06:02.612 step back and think[br]how can we really make this data useful. 0:06:03.638,0:06:04.910 And one of the ways to do that 0:06:04.910,0:06:09.917 is by making our author items[br]better quality 0:06:09.917,0:06:14.274 by adding affiliation information,[br]adding first names, surnames, 0:06:14.864,0:06:18.928 and just moving beyond[br]occupation researcher, 0:06:18.928,0:06:22.445 trying to get what field people[br]are working in, for example. 0:06:23.916,0:06:25.699 Moving on to DOIs. 0:06:25.699,0:06:29.429 When I was looking at how many[br]scholarly papers we have now, 0:06:29.429,0:06:35.040 I immediately noticed that we have DOIs[br]that are just four characters. 0:06:35.040,0:06:37.231 And that is not a correct DOI. 0:06:37.231,0:06:42.288 We've got about 110 items[br]with this DOI format. 0:06:42.868,0:06:46.702 In the grand scheme of things,[br]not that big a problem. 0:06:46.702,0:06:49.055 But that's never been a correct DOI 0:06:49.055,0:06:51.525 that's being created[br]by an automatic process. 0:06:51.525,0:06:55.279 No one's checked that and realized[br]we had this error and corrected it. 0:06:55.279,0:06:57.974 So, it's kind of an appeal[br]I want to make to people-- 0:06:58.534,0:07:01.099 if you're doing batch imports,[br]to check what you're doing, 0:07:01.099,0:07:03.648 look for these obvious[br]data quality problems. 0:07:06.544,0:07:10.607 And another final issue[br]that I've noticed is errata. 0:07:10.607,0:07:15.718 We have over 13 thousand items[br]that are instance of errata, 0:07:16.050,0:07:18.604 but they're not linked[br]to the paper they're correcting. 0:07:18.609,0:07:25.343 So, I've also produced a table[br]of the top ten titles of the-- 0:07:26.153,0:07:27.341 these are errata items. 0:07:27.341,0:07:30.030 You will notice they're not[br]particularly informative. 0:07:30.030,0:07:32.495 So, as some point,[br]we're going to have to go back 0:07:32.495,0:07:36.868 and look at how we can actually[br]get the information 0:07:36.868,0:07:39.839 about what these errata are correcting, 0:07:39.839,0:07:43.919 because they're not really[br]of much use to anyone at the moment. 0:07:44.711,0:07:48.834 So, in the future, I hope this is one area[br]that we can work on as a community, 0:07:48.834,0:07:53.354 and we can coordinate a bit better[br]with what data imports we're doing, 0:07:53.354,0:07:57.773 and how we can curate all our data,[br]bring it all together, 0:07:57.773,0:07:59.876 and combine our expertise. 0:08:01.619,0:08:03.277 I'm going to pass over to Liam now 0:08:03.277,0:08:07.905 to talk a bit about how we might be able[br]to coordinate our efforts in the future. 0:08:15.119,0:08:16.536 Thank you. 0:08:21.296,0:08:26.837 So, as mentioned[br]in the final slide from Elizabeth, 0:08:26.837,0:08:33.115 WikiCite is trying to be[br]more and more diverse, 0:08:33.115,0:08:36.139 and high quality, and more widely spread. 0:08:36.139,0:08:39.947 The idea is over the next year or so,[br]with the dedicated funding 0:08:39.947,0:08:43.114 that's been provided and is available[br]over a three-year period, 0:08:43.114,0:08:45.346 of which we've entered, 0:08:45.346,0:08:51.189 to change WikiCite-- the conference--[br]which there's been a few-- 0:08:51.189,0:08:58.162 into a series of proposals from you, 0:08:58.891,0:09:02.858 into what we're calling[br]"satellite events" around the world. 0:09:03.342,0:09:08.240 This will be focusing--[br]there'll be a call for a proposal system-- 0:09:08.240,0:09:12.043 like reviewing a procedure 0:09:12.043,0:09:14.393 that is currently not yet invented 0:09:14.393,0:09:18.877 for deciding on how to-- 0:09:20.967,0:09:22.482 what's the word I'm after-- 0:09:22.482,0:09:24.804 prioritize these requests. 0:09:24.804,0:09:29.378 And see if we can't get a wider diversity 0:09:29.378,0:09:32.784 of content contributor and topic 0:09:33.115,0:09:36.546 supported in the WikiCite umbrella, 0:09:38.244,0:09:41.009 through this series of satellite events. 0:09:41.347,0:09:42.886 To that end, 0:09:43.102,0:09:46.702 the WikiCite grant-- 0:09:47.037,0:09:52.345 was successfully applied for and received 0:09:52.345,0:09:57.460 through the work[br]of WikiCite's father, Dario, 0:09:57.460,0:10:00.982 who many of you might know[br]from the Wikimedia Foundation. 0:10:00.982,0:10:04.109 Dario no longer works[br]with the Wikimedia Foundation, 0:10:04.109,0:10:06.662 and so this grant has a-- 0:10:08.038,0:10:09.858 needed a home. 0:10:09.858,0:10:14.275 What has happened[br]is that the WikiCite steering committee, 0:10:14.275,0:10:17.104 primarily made up of the organizing team 0:10:17.104,0:10:20.317 from last year's WikiCite conference, 0:10:20.317,0:10:23.923 will continue to oversee this work, 0:10:23.923,0:10:27.654 and the Wikimedia Foundation[br]has hired a temporary 0:10:28.218,0:10:31.567 or a part-time coordinator, 0:10:32.024,0:10:34.617 to oversee and support that work, 0:10:34.617,0:10:38.790 and to promote and receive[br]those applications 0:10:38.790,0:10:40.453 for the satellite events. 0:10:40.453,0:10:41.998 And that will be me. 0:10:42.838,0:10:45.405 (laughter and cheers) 0:10:48.323,0:10:50.591 So, I got the call yesterday 0:10:50.591,0:10:54.320 so that I could be able[br]to like confirm that in-- 0:10:54.320,0:10:58.641 among an audience[br]which is highly relevant to that topic. 0:10:59.308,0:11:02.592 Which is helpful, so I can talk to you[br]here and now about that. 0:11:03.967,0:11:08.671 So, this is listed as a panel[br]in the program. 0:11:09.562,0:11:11.262 Even though it's a bit of a-- 0:11:12.194,0:11:13.776 I think panel is a generous way 0:11:13.776,0:11:17.342 of describing the three of us[br]in this context. 0:11:17.342,0:11:19.573 But the idea is we would like[br]to hear from you 0:11:19.573,0:11:22.181 on that immediate thought about-- 0:11:22.573,0:11:24.908 or questions to Simon, as well-- 0:11:24.908,0:11:27.494 if you have questions[br]for Simon, specifically-- 0:11:27.494,0:11:31.912 about what you think are good directions 0:11:31.912,0:11:35.316 that should be addressed[br]or should be attempted 0:11:35.316,0:11:37.308 in this forthcoming year, 0:11:38.605,0:11:40.429 either individually, online-- 0:11:41.516,0:11:43.987 and things that not[br]necessarily you can do, 0:11:43.987,0:11:46.135 but think should be done. 0:11:47.431,0:11:52.023 And specifically, to start thinking about 0:11:52.023,0:11:55.624 what a satellite event would mean 0:11:55.624,0:11:58.459 with relation to open citations 0:11:58.459,0:12:03.193 and how the community at large[br]would best be served 0:12:03.193,0:12:04.731 by that kind of support. 0:12:04.731,0:12:08.862 Beyond merely financial,[br]but what does support mean 0:12:08.862,0:12:13.364 for satellite events in open citations[br]according to you. 0:12:14.502,0:12:16.726 If you want to come back up, and we can-- 0:12:17.293,0:12:18.584 Did you have a question? 0:12:18.584,0:12:23.039 (woman) Ah, yes. I do research[br]on predatory publishing 0:12:23.039,0:12:25.062 and on retractions. 0:12:25.062,0:12:26.807 You only mentioned errata. 0:12:26.807,0:12:29.999 So, how are you dealing[br]with expressions of concern 0:12:29.999,0:12:31.666 and retractions? 0:12:31.666,0:12:36.000 And what is your policy on trying[br]to identify predatory publishers? 0:12:37.014,0:12:39.802 Okay, so, within the scope[br]of preparing for this, 0:12:39.802,0:12:45.552 I wasn't looking at retractions,[br]but people have been doing work on that 0:12:45.552,0:12:49.039 and trying to-- we have a property--[br]notice of retractions-- 0:12:49.039,0:12:51.509 so we can be creating those links. 0:12:52.449,0:12:55.482 I don't know what extent[br]that's happened in the same way. 0:12:55.482,0:13:00.302 Not all the errata are linked[br]to the paper that's being corrected. 0:13:00.302,0:13:02.500 I suspect that's a similar case with-- 0:13:02.500,0:13:04.439 - (woman) It's exactly the same.[br]- Yeah. 0:13:05.327,0:13:06.906 As I said, I wasn't looking at that, 0:13:06.906,0:13:12.490 but we can potentially link the retraction[br]to the retracted article, 0:13:12.490,0:13:15.144 the retraction notice[br]to the retracted article. 0:13:15.144,0:13:17.246 In terms of predatory publishers, 0:13:18.278,0:13:21.379 I'm not aware of anyone[br]having done any work in this area, 0:13:21.379,0:13:23.842 but I wouldn't like to say[br]that hasn't happened. 0:13:23.842,0:13:26.835 We have Charles, whose hand[br]is going up there. 0:13:26.835,0:13:30.080 Do you want to comment[br]on predatory publishers, Charles? 0:13:35.170,0:13:38.843 (Charles) Well, I encountered[br]this problem in the ScienceSource project. 0:13:38.843,0:13:43.462 And first of all, I did what I could[br]to put fields list in Wikidata format. 0:13:43.462,0:13:46.984 Fields list isn't sort of what everybody[br]wants to be dealing with, 0:13:46.984,0:13:48.442 but it was a starting point. 0:13:48.442,0:13:52.684 So, that has been done,[br]as far as I was able to. 0:13:53.274,0:13:56.744 But the thing I rely on more, perhaps, 0:13:56.744,0:14:00.717 is DOAJ IDs. 0:14:00.717,0:14:04.182 That is, if we put all the DOAJ IDs 0:14:04.182,0:14:07.826 into Wikidata, 0:14:07.826,0:14:09.908 we'd have made a really good attempt 0:14:09.908,0:14:12.620 to isolate the predatory publishers. 0:14:12.620,0:14:14.057 And that is not the whole story, 0:14:14.057,0:14:16.926 but these days,[br]it's the bulk of the story. 0:14:16.926,0:14:19.072 (woman) [Is the directory[br]of open access there?] 0:14:19.072,0:14:22.042 - (Charles) Directory of open access, yes.[br]- (woman) Alright, good. 0:14:31.452,0:14:34.241 (man) To start with, I just spent a year[br]traveling around New Zealand 0:14:34.241,0:14:37.775 trying to explain Wikidata[br]to the library community, 0:14:37.775,0:14:40.222 and as soon as I mentioned WikiCite,[br]their eyes rolled, 0:14:40.222,0:14:42.868 because they've just been told[br]they have to be [up] with Wikipedia, 0:14:42.868,0:14:43.956 Wiki Commons, Wikidata. 0:14:43.956,0:14:46.232 Here's another Wiki project[br]that they need to know about. 0:14:46.232,0:14:48.739 "Why can't we just do it all[br]with Wikidata?" they were saying. 0:14:48.739,0:14:50.893 So, there's a public perception[br]problem straightaway, 0:14:50.893,0:14:53.803 and that's the very community[br]that we need to have onboard 0:14:53.803,0:14:54.819 for this to work. 0:14:54.819,0:14:57.096 I'm interested in thinking[br]how we are going to reach 0:14:57.096,0:15:01.420 the library community, educate them,[br]and get them integrally involved 0:15:01.420,0:15:03.119 in this process? 0:15:06.449,0:15:09.328 I have thoughts, but I'd like[br]to hear your thoughts first. 0:15:10.909,0:15:14.035 - Sure, I think--[br]- (assistant) [This one is on.] 0:15:16.384,0:15:18.692 This better? Alright. 0:15:18.692,0:15:20.535 Feel like I'm in a concert. 0:15:20.535,0:15:23.088 So, one of the things we've tried to do 0:15:23.088,0:15:29.666 is incorporate librarians and libraries 0:15:29.666,0:15:32.616 into WikiCite in everything that we do. 0:15:32.616,0:15:33.917 So, on the steering committee, 0:15:33.917,0:15:39.457 we have at least[br]two librarians, if not more. 0:15:39.457,0:15:44.230 And at our actual WikiCite events, 0:15:44.230,0:15:46.702 one of the things that's actually[br]pretty great about WikiCite 0:15:46.702,0:15:50.911 is that we end up getting[br]both speakers and participants, 0:15:50.911,0:15:54.846 who maybe are not actually involved[br]in any Wiki projects. 0:15:54.846,0:15:56.908 So, we don't have Wiki fatigue. 0:15:57.472,0:16:01.117 And a lot of times, they're coming[br]from the perspective of... 0:16:01.688,0:16:04.841 "Well, I'm interested in linked open data, 0:16:04.841,0:16:07.427 I love to use citations at my university, 0:16:07.427,0:16:09.750 can you tell me a little bit more[br]about how Wikidata works, 0:16:09.750,0:16:12.378 and how I might use the citations[br]that are in Wikidata?" 0:16:12.378,0:16:17.057 So, I think it's very much[br]about bringing these communities together, 0:16:17.057,0:16:20.702 which might seem disparate,[br]around these common goals 0:16:20.702,0:16:23.075 for people who are really concerned[br]about curating data, 0:16:23.075,0:16:26.926 and then, people who might already know[br]about how to do that on Wikidata. 0:16:28.346,0:16:31.397 I would say, in terms of the confusion, 0:16:31.397,0:16:35.322 the complexity implied by the question[br]of well, there's WikiCite, 0:16:35.322,0:16:37.351 and there's Wikidata, and there's this... 0:16:37.351,0:16:41.999 WikiCite is a brand name,[br]it's a project-- GLAM-Wiki-- 0:16:42.894,0:16:45.529 GLAM-Wiki also uses the word Wiki, 0:16:45.529,0:16:48.758 but it's not pretending to be a Wiki 0:16:48.758,0:16:51.186 or competing with Wikipedia and Wikidata. 0:16:51.186,0:16:56.118 It's the particular focus area[br]of reference information, 0:16:56.118,0:16:58.789 "referenceable" information. 0:16:58.789,0:17:04.908 Now, particularly in the context[br]of a series of conferences 0:17:04.908,0:17:07.055 that have happened[br]over the last few years, 0:17:07.055,0:17:09.447 and the conference is called WikiCite-- 0:17:11.959,0:17:15.811 particularly within this community,[br]the Wikidata core group, 0:17:15.811,0:17:21.397 WikiCite is seen, known, understood[br]as a large number of items 0:17:21.397,0:17:24.188 uploaded to Wikidata[br]about scholarly publications. 0:17:24.674,0:17:30.462 That is what is understood as WikiCite[br]by this community, mostly. 0:17:32.937,0:17:35.125 I would like to-- 0:17:36.054,0:17:38.045 there is a question about, 0:17:38.045,0:17:42.060 could WikiCite be made[br]into its own Wikibase 0:17:42.060,0:17:45.228 of just citation stuff? 0:17:45.228,0:17:47.982 Not Wikidata, and then there's federation, 0:17:48.914,0:17:50.573 and funky things like that, 0:17:50.573,0:17:54.905 and you could put a lot more[br]very specific information 0:17:54.905,0:17:58.431 about individual, citable things there, 0:17:59.644,0:18:01.590 which is a perfectly valid way 0:18:01.590,0:18:04.346 of dealing with questions[br]of notability and properties. 0:18:04.346,0:18:06.452 But the technology for doing that 0:18:06.452,0:18:10.791 is not yet relevant in any way. 0:18:10.791,0:18:17.003 We need a lot more work,[br]particularly on federation in Wikibase 0:18:17.539,0:18:19.553 to make sure everything syncs neatly. 0:18:20.122,0:18:25.954 So, until such time[br]as that would be a viable outcome, 0:18:26.724,0:18:31.315 in the meantime, all of the things[br]that would serve that kind of outcome 0:18:32.532,0:18:35.969 also serve just improving[br]the quality on Wikidata 0:18:35.969,0:18:39.087 and improving the links[br]with Wikipedia and Wikisource. 0:18:40.145,0:18:43.665 The brand name is,[br]as far as I'm concerned, irrelevant. 0:18:43.665,0:18:47.953 It's just the project to make[br]better footnotes. 0:18:50.093,0:18:52.454 (woman 2) Just a comment[br]in relation to your query 0:18:52.454,0:18:57.726 about satellite proposals 0:18:57.726,0:18:59.956 for satellite conferences-- 0:19:00.768,0:19:04.007 I don't think you realize[br]the level of ignorance 0:19:04.007,0:19:08.351 about Wiki-anything[br]from our country in New Zealand. 0:19:08.351,0:19:09.731 I mean, seriously. 0:19:09.731,0:19:12.497 As an Australian, I recognize[br]the ignorance of New Zealanders-- 0:19:12.497,0:19:15.142 (laughter) 0:19:17.747,0:19:21.270 (woman 2) Oh, [inaudible], come on! 0:19:26.987,0:19:31.248 What I'm trying to say[br]is that if we have a satellite 0:19:31.248,0:19:36.159 or somehow organize[br]a joint satellite conference, 0:19:37.399,0:19:39.793 from my perspective, what I'm looking for 0:19:39.793,0:19:43.192 is strategies and how[br]to engage the community. 0:19:43.192,0:19:48.215 They aren't even at the level of being-- 0:19:48.215,0:19:50.681 they don't know enough[br]to even be enthusiastic 0:19:50.681,0:19:52.997 about Wikidata and WikiCite yet. 0:19:52.997,0:19:57.041 They look at it with a lot of skepticism,[br]if they're even aware of it. 0:19:57.041,0:20:02.632 So I, in particular, want to be able[br]to have a meeting 0:20:02.632,0:20:04.902 in order to be able to learn from those. 0:20:04.902,0:20:08.387 We've already engaged[br]more successfully with the community 0:20:08.387,0:20:14.339 to get a skill base in order to build[br]some collaborations in New Zealand. 0:20:15.117,0:20:18.555 You're talking about extra people[br]to actually engage with. 0:20:18.555,0:20:21.885 I just want the core library community[br]to get on board, 0:20:21.885,0:20:24.367 and then go the extra step. 0:20:24.367,0:20:28.284 It's like I'm looking at you saying[br]that we want to reach out 0:20:28.284,0:20:29.663 to other communities, 0:20:29.663,0:20:32.820 and I'm saying, I just want[br]to reach out to a community. 0:20:32.820,0:20:36.550 You know, we're a lot further[br]behind where we are. 0:20:36.550,0:20:37.963 So, yeah. 0:20:39.292,0:20:44.937 I would not wish to pretend that WikiCite[br]and open bibliographic information 0:20:44.937,0:20:50.478 is the be-all and end-all of Wikidata[br]or Wikimedia outreach. 0:20:51.209,0:20:53.107 It's a specific subset. 0:20:53.107,0:20:59.333 And I would not wish to try[br]and make WikiCite a brand, 0:21:00.477,0:21:04.242 appear to be overriding or replacing 0:21:04.242,0:21:06.841 or somehow getting in the way 0:21:06.841,0:21:10.970 of just general, good quality outreach[br]about Wikimedia, 0:21:11.462,0:21:16.085 and working with libraries,[br]in general, and Wikidata, 0:21:16.085,0:21:17.183 even more specific. 0:21:17.183,0:21:19.386 This is a subset of Wikidata. 0:21:19.386,0:21:22.770 So, particularly, for WikiCite[br]satellite events, 0:21:24.100,0:21:30.251 I don't want to make it appear[br]like there's a competition for Wiki-- 0:21:30.662,0:21:33.976 so, everything about Wikidata now[br]has to be called WikiCite-- no. 0:21:33.976,0:21:37.948 This is a really quite niche--[br]in the scheme of things-- topic area, 0:21:37.948,0:21:40.497 supporting general awareness-raising 0:21:40.497,0:21:43.044 about Wikidata[br]and open access information, 0:21:43.044,0:21:47.656 and Wikimedia is far beyond the scope 0:21:47.656,0:21:52.031 of this kind of particular[br]specialist outreach. 0:21:52.413,0:21:57.812 And that's not to say[br]that it's not a good thing, too. 0:21:59.304,0:22:01.898 (woman 2) I just perceived--[br]sorry, one more comment-- 0:22:01.898,0:22:06.198 WikiCite as the possible inroad 0:22:06.209,0:22:09.703 to those at the wider community 0:22:09.703,0:22:13.321 for the people we want to get on board. 0:22:13.321,0:22:16.510 So, to me, WikiCite is--[br]yes, it's a subset, 0:22:16.510,0:22:22.630 and really a much smaller set[br]of beliefs and information, et cetera-- 0:22:23.075,0:22:26.844 but I see it as an easy steppingstone[br]to get them addicted, 0:22:26.844,0:22:28.870 and then you can open it up. 0:22:29.356,0:22:30.648 So, yeah. 0:22:35.901,0:22:38.814 (assistant) We have just time[br]for one short question. 0:22:41.062,0:22:45.549 So, one of you have another question[br]for the WikiCite team? 0:22:47.970,0:22:49.749 Thank you for sharing[br]this feedback with us. 0:22:49.749,0:22:52.161 Oh, somebody has a question. 0:22:58.502,0:23:01.402 (assistant) Which one of you wants to... 0:23:06.032,0:23:07.732 (woman 3) Hi, thank you so much for this. 0:23:07.732,0:23:11.259 I was just wondering,[br]is there ever going to be 0:23:11.989,0:23:17.861 a paring of the bibliography[br]used in Wikipedia articles and WikiCite? 0:23:17.867,0:23:22.831 Are you planning to move[br]all those references and parse them 0:23:22.831,0:23:27.452 so that we can do some analyses[br]of which references we're using 0:23:27.452,0:23:30.249 in the Wikipedia articles-- 0:23:30.249,0:23:33.808 and when you create an article[br]in another language 0:23:33.808,0:23:38.510 just to get suggestions of this,[br]are the references that have been used, 0:23:38.510,0:23:39.855 kind of like that. 0:23:39.855,0:23:45.137 I know one of the short-term goals[br]of WikiCite is to have all citations 0:23:45.137,0:23:48.058 in WikiProjects represented in Wikidata. 0:23:48.503,0:23:50.613 Currently, there's not[br]an automatic pipeline 0:23:50.613,0:23:53.045 that keeps that updated, 0:23:53.045,0:23:55.831 but that's definitely one[br]of our primary goals. 0:23:57.410,0:24:01.266 And ultimately, there[br]is not specific support 0:24:01.266,0:24:07.834 in the developer community[br]for that kind of activity in particular. 0:24:07.834,0:24:10.467 That's on the interests[br]of individual community members 0:24:10.467,0:24:14.842 to do exports-- like all this work[br]that's been demonstrated 0:24:14.842,0:24:17.273 that's not from the foundation-- 0:24:17.273,0:24:20.520 people doing individual work[br]on their interests. 0:24:20.520,0:24:23.316 So, that could be a good satellite event 0:24:23.316,0:24:26.438 to try and explore that kind of work. 0:24:26.438,0:24:31.301 Getting it a good pipeline[br]so that you can make references 0:24:31.301,0:24:36.445 in Wikipedia's easily hook[br]into Wikidata items, 0:24:36.445,0:24:38.144 multilingual, et cetera-- 0:24:38.144,0:24:41.273 does not yet exist technologically, 0:24:41.273,0:24:45.876 and certain languages[br]have concerns about that. 0:24:45.876,0:24:50.135 The larger the Wikipedia language,[br]the more defensive they are 0:24:50.135,0:24:53.224 about using Wikidata directly. 0:24:54.402,0:24:56.101 But that'll come. 0:24:57.719,0:25:00.273 Yeah, I was just going to say[br]when Liam's finished with that-- 0:25:00.273,0:25:03.288 that it's strictly citations or something[br]that are very much within scope, 0:25:03.288,0:25:07.547 and what we would like to work for,[br]but that needs community to build this, 0:25:07.547,0:25:09.653 to take on that challenge, I think. 0:25:10.353,0:25:15.198 And also, we need to be doing the outreach[br]to the Wikipedians to show them 0:25:15.198,0:25:18.618 that we can provide good[br]quality data consistently. 0:25:22.185,0:25:24.162 (assistant) We are running out of time. 0:25:24.162,0:25:27.665 So, if someone has another question 0:25:27.665,0:25:33.075 I think that these nice people[br]will ask you privately after. 0:25:33.617,0:25:36.452 So, it's time for us,[br]for the last edition, 0:25:36.452,0:25:39.386 and we are welcoming on stage. 0:25:39.956,0:25:44.012 Jean-Fred, Envel, and... 0:25:44.012,0:25:46.621 (applause)