WEBVTT 00:00:00.150 --> 00:00:05.773 - I'm hungry, I'm hungry, I'm hungry... - No way, are you? 00:00:06.454 --> 00:00:09.534 - A little bit. - Chorizo? 00:00:09.534 --> 00:00:14.144 - I don't know, is there any left? - Yes, do you want it or not? 00:00:14.668 --> 00:00:16.978 - Yes, but also for you and grandpa. 00:00:17.686 --> 00:00:20.236 - Yes, there is, don't worry, I don't want it. - Ah, that's true. 00:00:24.824 --> 00:00:27.484 - I'm hungry, I'm hungry... 00:00:29.557 --> 00:00:32.477 - We went to the library today, at school. - What? 00:00:32.477 --> 00:00:34.757 - We went to the library... to the media library. - When? 00:00:34.757 --> 00:00:37.267 - Today... In the morning. - Oh, in the morning? 00:00:37.267 --> 00:00:37.817 - Yes- - And? 00:00:37.957 --> 00:00:42.447 - I got a lend of a book. - For the trip? 00:00:43.444 --> 00:00:46.664 - Maybe yes, well, yes... - Ok, very well, yes... 00:00:48.724 --> 00:00:53.436 - Its title is 'Grandpa and grandma at the summercamp'. 00:00:54.487 --> 00:01:00.797 - Let's see, Garikoitz, here is yours... Grandpa doesn't eat chorizo. 00:01:01.084 --> 00:01:04.774 - No, I don't want it... I don't want it. 00:01:07.048 --> 00:01:09.328 - How is it? Is it hot? 00:01:11.300 --> 00:01:14.310 - Gari, can you tell us where and who you live with? 00:01:15.555 --> 00:01:21.585 - Yes, well... I live in Biriatu with my grandparents. 00:01:21.585 --> 00:01:24.805 - Surrounded by forests and montains. Are you happy here? 00:01:24.805 --> 00:01:28.435 - Yes... yes. - Why do you live with your grandparents? 00:01:28.623 --> 00:01:33.013 - Because my mother and father were in prison, and when I was 3 00:01:33.676 --> 00:01:35.966 my uncle took me to Biriatu 00:01:35.966 --> 00:01:38.196 to live with my grandparents. 00:01:38.724 --> 00:01:41.164 - Have you always known your parents in prison? 00:01:41.485 --> 00:01:44.025 - Yes - And how is that? 00:01:45.208 --> 00:01:49.268 - Well, a bit sad. 00:01:51.003 --> 00:01:56.583 - When I see them I am very happy, but at the farewell a little bit sad. 00:01:56.916 --> 00:01:59.196 - Enjoy! - Thank you. 00:02:01.174 --> 00:02:08.474 - Later, I'll tell you where the ID and the rest of the things are 00:02:08.474 --> 00:02:11.214 in the backpack, okay? So you can tell your auntie. 00:02:12.426 --> 00:02:18.326 - In your everyday life, in what situations do you notice that your parents are in prison? 00:02:18.664 --> 00:02:22.194 What things do you have to change because your parents are in prison? 00:02:23.189 --> 00:02:25.979 - Well... 00:02:27.715 --> 00:02:28.695 - It's ok Gari. 00:02:28.816 --> 00:02:31.596 - Oh and... maybe my homework for the journey. 00:02:32.226 --> 00:02:33.638 - I told you earlier... - Yes. 00:02:34.050 --> 00:02:37.920 ...to take them... to put them in the backpack. 00:02:38.709 --> 00:02:40.539 - Yes, we'll put them in now. 00:02:40.676 --> 00:02:44.536 - I told you to take your homework with you, so you can do them with Larraitz. 00:02:45.910 --> 00:02:47.780 - What homework do you have? 00:02:48.401 --> 00:02:49.331 - Maths. 00:02:49.331 --> 00:02:52.121 - Maths? That's easy! 00:02:52.132 --> 00:02:52.562 - Yes. 00:02:52.699 --> 00:02:56.089 - But I told you earlier, to take it, didn't I? 00:02:56.089 --> 00:02:57.569 - Yeaaaah! 00:03:00.539 --> 00:03:03.449 - Errrm... I'm sorry, could you ask me the question again? 00:03:03.449 --> 00:03:04.749 - I can't remember it... 00:03:05.275 --> 00:03:10.895 - Yes, we’d like to know what it is like to have your parents in prison. 00:03:11.370 --> 00:03:16.750 - Well, sometimes you feel bad, 00:03:16.819 --> 00:03:25.329 other times not that much. I think about them all the time, and I love them very much. 00:03:27.197 --> 00:03:31.687 - Where were you born? - In Granada. In prison. 00:03:32.742 --> 00:03:40.882 - So, usually otherwise, whenever I finish I will... 00:03:42.214 --> 00:03:46.474 - Mikel is very nice, and sometimes we speak 00:03:47.177 --> 00:03:52.587 or play with the kids, with Jare and the rest. - With Jare, yes, she is very kind! 00:03:52.987 --> 00:04:01.117 - Yes, that wee girl, yes... And ask Mikel to... connect to the wifi 00:04:01.117 --> 00:04:05.457 in your tablet. - Yes, sure... yes, yes. 00:04:05.937 --> 00:04:10.757 - So you can play a bit with the tablet. - Yes. 00:04:10.838 --> 00:04:17.958 - If you feel a little bored or whatever... - Yes, or to listen to music as well. 00:04:17.958 --> 00:04:24.730 - That’s it! Or watch videos, no? - Benito Lertxundi, or Huntza. (Basque bands) 00:04:24.824 --> 00:04:30.204 - Yes, that's it. - Oh yes! Yes, there's a film at night. 00:04:32.218 --> 00:04:40.498 - How many prisons have you visited? - 7 or... 5, i’m not really sure. 00:04:42.168 --> 00:04:45.048 - How long were you in prison? - 3 years. 00:04:45.401 --> 00:04:46.841 - 3 years? - 3 years. 00:04:47.111 --> 00:04:49.891 - I've got you the biggest one. - Granma, I know how to cut it down, don't worry. 00:04:49.891 --> 00:04:51.801 - Yes? So go, do it yourself. 00:04:52.784 --> 00:04:57.364 - When there are changes from one prison to another, when your parents are moved to another prison... 00:04:57.669 --> 00:05:06.290 How is it like? It's bad. If only they were moved closer 00:05:06.290 --> 00:05:11.048 But they don’t bring them closer to here… 00:05:12.088 --> 00:05:13.728 They take them further away, and it’s worse. 00:05:14.248 --> 00:05:18.248 - Have all those changes always been to take them even further away? 00:05:18.468 --> 00:05:19.838 - Yes. 00:05:21.078 --> 00:05:25.738 - So, one day I was with Aitzol, my older cousin, and we arrived 00:05:25.738 --> 00:05:32.026 to "El Cepo" to have breakfast, right? And well, later on with the family, the aunt and so on, 00:05:32.026 --> 00:05:38.286 they said 'How about the journey?' and cousin Aitzol said 00:05:38.457 --> 00:05:42.497 'See, we were having breakfast in Cepo', and Gari... was asleep! 00:06:48.443 --> 00:06:51.273 - Welcome. Today we’re taking the bus to go to Cadiz. 00:06:51.273 --> 00:06:53.723 A 2000 kilometres round trip. 00:06:53.870 --> 00:06:57.530 There, we will join a child who has both of his parents in prison. 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:02.989 In fact, Gari was born in a prison, and he spent the first 3 years of his life there. 00:07:13.473 --> 00:07:16.443 - Do you often say that you were born in prison? 00:07:17.254 --> 00:07:18.154 - Yes. 00:07:18.234 --> 00:07:22.234 - And, what do people say? - That it’s very weird. 00:07:32.412 --> 00:07:37.832 He’s 9 now. He lives in Biriatu, and he visits his parents once a month. 00:07:48.507 --> 00:07:52.007 Gari is not the only child with a backpack we'll meet today in Ur Handitan. 00:07:52.168 --> 00:07:55.038 Should you like to make this trip with us, welcome! 00:08:06.716 --> 00:08:09.796 - Malen, you've always met your dad in jail. - Yes. 00:08:09.821 --> 00:08:13.171 - How many years has he been in prison? - 20. 00:08:14.035 --> 00:08:16.535 - 20 years, and how old are you? - 18. 00:08:17.102 --> 00:08:24.022 - He phones Aiur twice a week, the same as me, because he can make 8 calls. 00:08:24.233 --> 00:08:26.393 We cannot phone him... 00:08:26.566 --> 00:08:30.086 - During those car trips... - Yes. 00:08:30.086 --> 00:08:31.646 - What do you think about? 00:08:31.648 --> 00:08:35.398 - About when we are going to arrive, whether he is fine... 00:08:37.499 --> 00:08:41.089 Why we must fill a part of their sanction... 00:08:41.089 --> 00:08:47.049 Why we are forced to make so many kilometres... 00:08:59.035 --> 00:09:01.495 - Do you feel well treated in prison? 00:09:02.094 --> 00:09:06.874 - It depends. Sometimes you are treated well, other times they're too strict... 00:09:07.902 --> 00:09:10.722 - How would you describe a jail? 00:09:11.254 --> 00:09:14.544 - So, dirty and old. - Yeah? 00:09:15.178 --> 00:09:17.908 - Dark, there's no natural light. 00:09:18.075 --> 00:09:19.305 - Cold and dark. 00:09:29.414 --> 00:09:32.414 Ur handitan CHILDREN WITH A BACKPACK 00:09:42.773 --> 00:09:43.753 - Gari, wait! 00:09:44.798 --> 00:09:47.708 - That's it... Have a good time, ok? 00:09:48.468 --> 00:09:50.128 - Ok, be calm! 00:09:50.413 --> 00:09:52.713 The bus will depart from Errenteria. 00:09:52.713 --> 00:09:54.923 Today Gari is going with aunt Txipi. 00:09:56.435 --> 00:09:58.275 - Come on... - Regards! 00:09:58.545 --> 00:10:00.365 - Bye bye! - Goodbye! 00:10:00.452 --> 00:10:04.332 - Help Maite, help your grandmother, yes. 00:10:05.007 --> 00:10:07.287 - Auntie, the homework, the homework, yes yes yes... 00:10:07.473 --> 00:10:11.233 - Do you have them ? You didn't bring anything, did you? You'll do them on Sunday at home, ok? 00:10:11.372 --> 00:10:12.732 - No, no, I brought some. 00:10:12.732 --> 00:10:14.332 - Did you bring your homework? - Yes. 00:10:14.332 --> 00:10:17.422 - And where will we do them, in Algeciras? - No... 00:10:17.768 --> 00:10:19.888 - You have everything in your backpack. - Yes. 00:10:19.888 --> 00:10:21.038 - Yes, yes, of course. 00:10:23.267 --> 00:10:28.137 - Gari, where were you born? - In Granada, in jail. 00:10:30.222 --> 00:10:34.112 - And then you had to move to another prison, right? 00:10:35.315 --> 00:10:38.615 - I think so, in a little while, from there to Valencia. 00:10:40.513 --> 00:10:44.643 - And that, for example..., you tell people you were born in prison? 00:10:45.849 --> 00:10:46.509 - Yes. 00:10:47.908 --> 00:10:52.158 - And how do you say it? - As a curiosity, as an oddity... 00:10:52.337 --> 00:10:53.857 - As an oddity. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.800 - Do you tell your friends about it? - Yes, I do. 00:10:56.649 --> 00:11:01.369 - And what do they say? - That it's so weird... 00:11:03.283 --> 00:11:05.093 - That it's weird. - Yes. 00:11:05.385 --> 00:11:07.975 - And do they ask a lot of questions? - Yes, a lot. 00:11:09.001 --> 00:11:10.151 - What do they want to know? 00:11:11.172 --> 00:11:16.282 - Once and again, how I feel, how I make the trips, 00:11:16.373 --> 00:11:19.573 how many kilometres, and so on. 00:11:19.812 --> 00:11:24.032 - You said that being born in jail is an oddity... 00:11:24.193 --> 00:11:24.723 - Yes. 00:11:24.723 --> 00:11:27.143 - What kind of oddity? How do you see it? 00:11:28.875 --> 00:11:29.965 - Sad. 00:11:30.059 --> 00:11:31.749 - Sad? - Yes. 00:11:36.016 --> 00:11:38.746 - Yes, yes, yes, I have my homework. 00:11:41.089 --> 00:11:42.749 Well... on the bus. 00:11:45.184 --> 00:11:46.824 For Monday 00:11:47.629 --> 00:11:53.369 - Sometimes, sometimes he calls when we're not expecting it 00:11:54.208 --> 00:11:58.208 and some other times we're waiting for his calls. 00:11:58.749 --> 00:12:00.919 - Do you have the chance to talk to your dad on the phone? 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.829 - Yes, for 5 minutes, but yes. 00:12:05.307 --> 00:12:07.437 - Eeeh, on weekends. 00:12:10.219 --> 00:12:11.939 - Here it's rainy too... 00:12:15.103 --> 00:12:18.463 ...and otherwise umbrella and coat. 00:12:22.336 --> 00:12:25.276 - How do you communicate with your daddy? 00:12:25.365 --> 00:12:27.845 - By phone, letter and visits. 00:12:28.331 --> 00:12:30.281 - How long are the phone calls, do you know? 00:12:30.324 --> 00:12:32.444 - 5 minutes. - 5 minutes long? 00:12:32.769 --> 00:12:34.589 - And are they short or long for you? 00:12:37.182 --> 00:12:38.482 - Short 00:12:38.491 --> 00:12:40.081 - So, you find them short? - Yes. 00:12:40.081 --> 00:12:42.311 - The call is suddenly cut off, isn't it? - Yes. 00:12:42.311 --> 00:12:45.091 - Dad says 'It's gonna be cut off! Gonna cut off!' And... It's cut off. 00:12:45.091 --> 00:12:47.291 - Yes. - And how do you feel in that moment? 00:12:47.327 --> 00:12:49.867 "I haven't told him yet what happened to me yesterday!" 00:12:49.867 --> 00:12:51.847 - You often tell me that... - Yes. 00:12:53.532 --> 00:13:03.902 'Is it over? Damn... I love you! Yes, cheers, I love you, bye!' 00:13:04.917 --> 00:13:06.347 'Is it over already?' Yes. 00:13:07.086 --> 00:13:10.276 - What does he say? - Is it raining there also, in Algeciras? 00:13:10.276 --> 00:13:12.286 - Yes. - Yes? Jesus! 00:13:12.967 --> 00:13:15.527 - Do you know what their daily life is like inside the prison? 00:13:15.786 --> 00:13:18.716 - No. - Do they tell you or... 00:13:19.786 --> 00:13:25.086 You don't ask them? - Sometimes... but I don't know very much. 00:13:26.635 --> 00:13:36.465 - What have they told you? - To be honest... they haven't told me much. 00:13:39.095 --> 00:13:42.555 - Don't worry... Why do you think they haven't told you? 00:13:43.308 --> 00:13:50.618 - Because for me it is not... Because I wouldn't like it... That's why. 00:13:58.185 --> 00:14:03.705 - Yes, thank you. - Wait, where is grandpa? 00:14:04.348 --> 00:14:07.618 - Look, here they are, look! - Hi! 00:14:07.618 --> 00:14:09.598 - Hello! - Hi there! 00:14:11.409 --> 00:14:14.559 After stopping in Donostia, there is another stop in Bilbo. 00:14:14.642 --> 00:14:18.262 Gari's other grandfather is there, ready to greet his grandson. 00:14:18.696 --> 00:14:22.336 - Now, in this interview... NOTE Paragraph 00:14:22.364 --> 00:14:26.284 It's true that you feel down and that all your emotions get out, 00:14:27.117 --> 00:14:33.947 but otherwise, in your daily life, we see you as a strong boy. 00:14:33.947 --> 00:14:37.107 - Yes. - And happy... How do you do that? 00:14:38.781 --> 00:14:46.391 - I think that they will come (home) some day... and I stay calm. 00:14:48.897 --> 00:14:53.307 - What helps you moving forward? - Grandma and grandpa. 00:14:57.318 --> 00:14:59.058 - Hello! - Hi! 00:14:59.078 --> 00:15:02.548 - Tell him. - Hello Ixone, hello! 00:15:02.548 --> 00:15:04.798 - Hello, how are you? - Fine. 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.690 - Will we sit down here? - No, sorry, you have to sit in the back.... 00:15:10.690 --> 00:15:13.090 That one has to be free. That's why we are here... 00:15:25.122 --> 00:15:28.842 - I have the championship on Saturday and Sundays, right? 00:15:28.842 --> 00:15:31.792 - Yes. - And I can play and all sometimes, 00:15:31.792 --> 00:15:34.082 but other times I can't play 00:15:34.082 --> 00:15:36.212 because I have to come to visit mom and dad. 00:15:36.212 --> 00:15:39.942 But of course, it makes sense, there will be another championships too. 00:15:40.246 --> 00:15:43.716 I'd rather see mom and dad than play the championship. 00:15:43.748 --> 00:15:49.808 - I was always asking when he was going to come. And I had a rather critical time... 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:56.510 I was down or... and mom and dad, to calm me, they told me that dad would come to the next 00:15:56.510 --> 00:16:02.860 verse championship with me. I accepted it happily but later on 00:16:02.860 --> 00:16:08.550 I realized it was a lie to make me calm down. 00:16:08.565 --> 00:16:12.305 - Your mom told you that your dad was going to be in the next verse championship. 00:16:12.305 --> 00:16:15.305 - Yes, with me. - But... He couldn't go to the last 00:16:15.305 --> 00:16:16.865 verse championship. - No. 00:16:17.207 --> 00:16:25.827 - What do you think during those car trips? - When we'll arrive, whether he's gonna be ok... 00:16:27.112 --> 00:16:30.242 - Why are you worried about your father? 00:16:30.378 --> 00:16:37.745 - Well... he gets sick often. 00:16:37.795 --> 00:16:41.765 - Does he tell you... the difficulties he is going through there, or not? 00:16:41.765 --> 00:16:44.525 - Sometimes yes, and other times no. 00:16:45.188 --> 00:16:48.758 - Do you think he doesn't tell you everything, in order to protect you? 00:16:48.965 --> 00:16:52.095 - I don't know... but he doesn't say everything. 00:16:53.555 --> 00:16:54.735 - Hize, interview. 00:16:55.395 --> 00:16:57.635 In Murcia, in prison... 00:16:57.635 --> 00:17:03.175 - We agreed on the phone to watch cartoons at the same time 00:17:03.175 --> 00:17:05.835 and to look at the moon at the same time too. 00:17:05.835 --> 00:17:09.535 At the same time to watch the cartoons and look at the moon. 00:17:09.535 --> 00:17:11.855 -Oh! You watch the same cartoons then, 00:17:11.855 --> 00:17:13.905 at the same time. - Yes! 00:17:13.905 --> 00:17:17.225 - That's almost as if you were together! 00:17:17.225 --> 00:17:23.845 And looking at the moon at the same time, that's almost like being together too! 00:17:23.845 --> 00:17:26.845 - He makes two calls to Aiur every week, 00:17:26.845 --> 00:17:32.885 and another two to me, because he has 8 phone calls. We can't phone him... 00:17:50.285 --> 00:17:53.648 - And your friends know where your dad and mom are, don't they? 00:17:54.250 --> 00:17:57.090 - Yes, indeed. - And your teachers as well? 00:17:57.090 --> 00:17:58.900 - Yes, they do. - And so... Do they understand it? 00:17:58.900 --> 00:17:59.430 - Yes. - Ok. 00:18:00.489 --> 00:18:02.759 - Do you speak with the teachers about this? Do they ask about it? 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.079 - No. 00:18:05.362 --> 00:18:07.752 - I have had a few problems, 00:18:07.752 --> 00:18:10.562 when the teacher knows... 00:18:10.992 --> 00:18:15.322 It seems... I don't know if it's fear or... A bit of worry, and then the teacher changes 00:18:15.322 --> 00:18:19.166 the relationship with you. 00:18:19.166 --> 00:18:23.006 Your teacher knows a very intimate thing of your life... 00:18:23.006 --> 00:18:26.387 Now they will know, if they're watching! 00:18:26.387 --> 00:18:30.837 - Depending on how the teacher is, he/she might say: 00:18:30.837 --> 00:18:36.249 'Oh, poor little child' or something... And that's a bit like... 00:18:36.249 --> 00:18:39.249 I don't like that. 00:18:39.249 --> 00:18:43.789 - When Nuria, your teacher, proposed to go and see your parents in prison, 00:18:44.156 --> 00:18:45.471 what did you think? 00:18:45.471 --> 00:18:52.241 - Yes, I thought it was a good idea and I felt happy about it. 00:18:52.333 --> 00:18:57.923 -And I remember when we were coming from the first visit, I said... 00:18:57.923 --> 00:19:00.303 When we were sitting in the circle first thing in the morning I said: 00:19:00.360 --> 00:19:04.130 'You don't know how beautiful Haizea's mother is... 00:19:05.115 --> 00:19:08.475 and what precious rings she has, and the beautiful necklace she has and...' 00:19:09.278 --> 00:19:14.508 And when I said that -I still remember the look in the children's eyes... 00:19:14.988 --> 00:19:18.718 And from that moment on, the kid started 00:19:18.718 --> 00:19:23.958 talking more naturally about the situation. 00:19:24.247 --> 00:19:28.536 - Your teacher has told us that when you were younger 00:19:28.536 --> 00:19:33.476 and the other kids spoke about their parents, you used to get sad. 00:19:33.476 --> 00:19:34.736 - Yes. - Why? 00:19:35.201 --> 00:19:44.771 - Because their parents are free and mine are not, and then I get sad... 00:19:45.620 --> 00:19:52.160 - When Haizea got into the classroom, I thought 'I meet the other parents... 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:57.440 I talk about the kids with them. I want to be with these parents too.' 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.770 How come am I not going to tell these parents about 00:20:00.770 --> 00:20:05.650 how their kid is doing at school?, or what wee prank she is doing, 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:10.870 or how she is behaving? 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:18.789 - The other kids have meetings between the teachers and the parents. 00:20:18.789 --> 00:20:21.799 - Yes. - And you also have them... 00:20:21.867 --> 00:20:22.947 - Yes. 00:20:23.878 --> 00:20:26.098 - What was the reaction of the parents? 00:20:26.098 --> 00:20:32.158 - Look, as a mother, I perhaps... When I entered there and I saw 00:20:32.158 --> 00:20:38.528 the two of them together? The look of the mother was incredible... 00:20:40.809 --> 00:20:44.809 - You won't ever forget that first visit, right? -No, no way, never. 00:20:46.265 --> 00:20:52.165 - Do you ever feel bad or down at school 00:20:52.165 --> 00:20:58.735 and your teacher is there to help you? - Yes, sometimes I feel sad, 00:20:58.735 --> 00:21:01.855 and I get out of the class, and Nuria (the teacher) sees me. 00:21:03.188 --> 00:21:05.698 - So you have her support? - Yes. 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:12.730 - Has someone ever told you something about the special attention you give to Haizea's parents? 00:21:12.730 --> 00:21:16.290 - No, never. 00:21:16.410 --> 00:21:20.970 - I am sure it's not easy to keep an ethical distance, right? 00:21:21.533 --> 00:21:25.133 -No, it is not. It is not easy. 00:21:25.925 --> 00:21:28.005 It's not easy at all. - Why is that? 00:21:32.218 --> 00:21:33.669 - Well, I am not really sure... 00:21:36.049 --> 00:21:41.099 Sometimes you have to draw a line between what you think and what you'd say. 00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:45.259 You have to draw the line, right? 00:21:45.679 --> 00:21:50.219 At the end of the day, I'm a teacher and I can't mix things, right? 00:21:50.583 --> 00:21:55.183 There has to be a line between your personal stuff, your experiencies, 00:21:55.183 --> 00:21:58.213 and what you feel for that family, if you know what I mean... 00:21:58.568 --> 00:22:01.088 - What would you like to be when you grow up? - I dont know. 00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:03.790 - A cook maybe? - Maybe, I'm not sure. 00:22:03.790 --> 00:22:05.450 - What then? - I don't know. 00:22:05.450 --> 00:22:08.370 - A musician maybe? - Yes, maybe. 00:22:08.515 --> 00:22:11.865 I like Huntza very much, to listen to it... Yeah. 00:22:11.956 --> 00:22:13.966 - Do you? - Yes, I like it a lot. 00:22:14.326 --> 00:22:16.236 And Anje Duhalde. - Oh, really? 00:22:16.236 --> 00:22:17.626 Yes, yes. And... 00:22:18.082 --> 00:22:22.082 - So mummy and daddy will be happy if you get good marks. 00:22:22.082 --> 00:22:23.272 - Yes. - Very good! 00:22:23.272 --> 00:22:26.142 - Well, I guess. I'll tell them tomorrow. 00:22:26.142 --> 00:22:27.142 - Of course! - They don't know yet. 00:22:28.332 --> 00:22:58.922 (The song 'Malen', Ken Zazpi) 00:23:03.017 --> 00:23:09.657 - Will you tell us about the story of the song 'Malen' by Ken Zazpi? 00:23:09.747 --> 00:23:16.216 - It was written by my mum when she was pregnant with me, and they named it after me. 00:23:16.306 --> 00:23:17.776 - What is it about? 00:23:17.916 --> 00:23:23.106 - About a trip to the prison, isn't it? The trip, and then... 40 minutes. 00:23:35.136 --> 00:23:39.296 - When I was a child, for example, I didn't like the song. I was ashamed... 00:23:39.296 --> 00:23:43.256 We used to go to see Ken Zazpi life, on a concert... 00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:47.500 And I'd hide myself, ashamed, when they'd play that song, Malen. 00:23:47.500 --> 00:23:53.104 Because they'd say, from the microphone 'Today Malen, the kid, is among us 00:23:53.104 --> 00:23:56.744 and this is for her blablabla...' And I was so ashamed I'd hide. But now... 00:23:56.744 --> 00:24:01.884 Now I like it when they play it. 00:24:28.287 --> 00:24:32.747 - The song says that the thick glass won't take your smile away. 00:24:32.767 --> 00:24:33.987 It hasn't taken yours. 00:24:34.003 --> 00:24:38.563 - No, I don't know. You keep smiling, don't you? 00:24:46.510 --> 00:24:50.558 Malen, 18 years old, she hasn't met her father outside the prison. 00:24:50.558 --> 00:24:54.998 He is in Almeria. He was in Jaen before. So he is even farther now. 00:24:54.998 --> 00:24:58.313 What are Malen's memories from her childhood like? 00:24:59.043 --> 00:25:04.103 - Do you have the feeling of having missed the best years you could have had with your dad? 00:25:05.893 --> 00:25:10.720 - The best moments I had with my dad were in Jaen, and... 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:16.510 I played with him there, had our moments on our visits, and all of them... 00:25:16.510 --> 00:25:19.890 Those are my best memories. At the end of the day... 00:25:19.890 --> 00:25:24.260 They aren't like other children's: 'I've gone to the park with my daddy, 00:25:24.260 --> 00:25:27.867 and it was the best day of my life!' Well, mines are like... 00:25:28.027 --> 00:25:33.221 Those years, those years in Jaen. 00:25:33.221 --> 00:25:35.451 They were tough years for him, but... 00:25:35.451 --> 00:25:39.061 I have good memories of those years, yes. 00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:50.690 - I'm very good when I'm with him, but when I have to leave... 00:25:50.690 --> 00:25:53.978 Saying good bye is sad, because you hug him and then 00:25:53.978 --> 00:25:56.858 you don't see him in a month. - I know, I know. 00:25:56.858 --> 00:25:59.805 - It's like... nothing until January! 00:26:00.267 --> 00:26:06.827 - Can you see any evolution in your personality, your questions, your concerns...? 00:26:07.590 --> 00:26:11.320 - Well, the older I get, the more aware of the situation I am... 00:26:11.320 --> 00:26:15.450 And about the reality, well... 00:26:15.780 --> 00:26:17.570 I have more questions too: 00:26:17.570 --> 00:26:22.810 Why do we have to be punished too? 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:29.100 Why are we forced to travel so many kilometres? 00:26:29.446 --> 00:26:37.386 - Do you think some people want the dispersion policy to be used against you too, as a part of the sanction of your dad? 00:26:38.177 --> 00:26:43.517 - Yes, because he could serve his time in Castellon or Cordoba (Spanish State), 00:26:43.797 --> 00:26:47.985 or in Zaballa (in the Basque Country). It's just revenge. 00:26:58.825 --> 00:27:04.405 - To know that your relatives will spend 8 hours on the road and... 00:27:04.978 --> 00:27:08.918 ...and then they have to go back for another 8 hours, no matter the weather... 00:27:12.408 --> 00:27:16.908 To know that they're doing such a thing because of him... 00:27:16.978 --> 00:27:22.488 That, that's a burden for the prisoner. And to make us go through all that... 00:27:22.718 --> 00:27:25.368 The only possible reason is anger, rage. 00:27:25.528 --> 00:27:28.598 A rage or anger we don't necessarily have to feel. 00:27:30.679 --> 00:27:32.999 - I am a bit... sleepy. 00:27:33.349 --> 00:27:36.349 - Yes, are you? 00:27:38.719 --> 00:27:41.029 - We'll have the family vis-à-vis at 10:30, 00:27:41.403 --> 00:27:44.003 then the one behind the glass at 13:00, 00:27:44.003 --> 00:27:48.909 and then you'll have the 4-hours-visit with daddy and mummy in the afternoon. 00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:53.589 - And the bus at 8pm. - Yes, we'll be leaving at 8pm, 00:27:53.589 --> 00:27:56.719 ...we'll get on the bus and back to the Basque Country, yes. 00:27:57.019 --> 00:27:58.977 - You're living 2 lifes at the same time, aren't you? 00:27:58.977 --> 00:28:02.457 Because there's your life here, and then 00:28:02.457 --> 00:28:07.577 you've got your other life of prison visits, road trips... 00:28:07.577 --> 00:28:13.217 Everything, the whole month, conditioned by visits. That's like having two lifes. 00:28:13.307 --> 00:28:17.965 - The 'glass' is worse because... 00:28:17.965 --> 00:28:21.813 - You can't touch mummy and daddy... 00:28:21.813 --> 00:28:26.333 - But then, my mum works in the library, she takes care of the library, 00:28:26.333 --> 00:28:31.910 and then, they give here points if she looks after the library for 3 months, 00:28:31.910 --> 00:28:37.590 and she told me they'll give her an extra visit if she works in the library for 3 months! 00:28:37.590 --> 00:28:39.834 - Really? Jesus! 00:28:39.834 --> 00:28:42.619 - Nerea... - Yes, her friend Nerea... 00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:47.161 - She was here the other day... 16 years since she last hugged mum, 00:28:47.161 --> 00:28:50.256 ...because she used to come to the visits, but just to the ones behind the glass. - Very good! 00:28:50.256 --> 00:28:54.536 - Yes, and after 15 years, for example... Granddad Juanjo. 00:28:54.536 --> 00:28:59.176 - Yes, yes. - How long..? A lot! 00:28:59.176 --> 00:29:02.889 - Yeah, with the glass... - And uncle Loren. 00:29:02.889 --> 00:29:06.049 - Yes, uncle Loren too. Because he can't... 00:29:06.049 --> 00:29:08.914 - Because they are people... that don't come very often. 00:29:08.914 --> 00:29:12.966 - Yes, and then of course, they have to stay behind the glass. 00:29:12.966 --> 00:29:18.126 All the friends... Only the family can be with her. 00:29:18.126 --> 00:29:19.552 Just close family. 00:29:20.572 --> 00:29:22.996 - You visit your dad once a month, in Castellon. 00:29:24.846 --> 00:29:27.941 - Where do you go to visit daddy? - To Murcia. 00:29:27.941 --> 00:29:31.019 - To Murcia... That's far away, isn't it? - Yes. 00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:32.599 - How many hours (drive)? - Eight. 00:29:32.719 --> 00:29:35.789 Takes us 8 hours to get there, and we go by car. 00:29:35.789 --> 00:29:41.149 Play with the tablet, look at the sky, and listen to some music. 00:29:41.149 --> 00:29:43.688 I feel dizzy sometimes... 00:29:44.338 --> 00:29:47.618 ...and I throw up. - You get sick sometimes, don't you? 00:29:47.898 --> 00:29:49.766 - And can Aiur go on trips too? 00:29:49.976 --> 00:29:50.779 - Yes. 00:29:50.869 --> 00:29:53.659 - You two are quite good, aren't you? 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:54.359 - Yes. 00:29:54.499 --> 00:29:59.069 - It was daddy who made that for the birds. Did you know that? 00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:03.949 - Yes. But they won't fit, because daddy made a small hole... 00:30:03.949 --> 00:30:05.789 - Well, of couse, it's not for vultures Aiur! 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:08.529 It's for wee birds, like wrens and stuff. 00:30:08.529 --> 00:30:09.509 - Wrens? 00:30:09.998 --> 00:30:12.118 - Don't you know what a wren is? 00:30:12.118 --> 00:30:14.378 - Yes, what granddad drinks... 00:30:15.918 --> 00:30:18.363 - And... when you see your daddy... 00:30:18.363 --> 00:30:20.833 after having crossed those 9 doors... 00:30:21.673 --> 00:30:23.413 What do you do when you see him? 00:30:23.413 --> 00:30:25.031 - I jump on him! 00:30:25.111 --> 00:30:26.591 - When is your next visit? 00:30:26.591 --> 00:30:28.044 - At the end of January. 00:30:28.044 --> 00:30:31.514 - He is in the South of France, in Arles, 00:30:31.514 --> 00:30:34.178 in a prison... in a prison for convicted people. 00:30:34.398 --> 00:30:39.438 - Take a lot of food, take the bags, and go. 00:30:39.928 --> 00:30:41.364 - We have to prepare the bag... 00:30:41.364 --> 00:30:45.174 ...with everything we're going to give him... 00:30:45.174 --> 00:30:47.221 We always have to prepare that bag. 00:30:47.451 --> 00:30:49.145 - But yeah, hopefully. 00:30:50.095 --> 00:30:52.985 - Which concerns, what doubts do you have now? 00:30:55.289 --> 00:31:01.149 - Well... doubts? I don't know. 00:31:03.842 --> 00:31:06.102 - I mean, about the situation of your parents... 00:31:06.102 --> 00:31:07.042 - Oh, yes, so... 00:31:07.042 --> 00:31:10.812 I wonder how they spend their day, 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.719 what they do, what... 00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:19.389 I wonder if they live well. 00:31:22.015 --> 00:31:24.395 - Do you ask your grandparents about it? 00:31:24.989 --> 00:31:26.059 - Sometimes... 00:31:26.089 --> 00:31:27.329 - What do they tell you? 00:31:27.899 --> 00:31:31.909 - They tell me the truth... always. 00:31:32.049 --> 00:31:33.649 - What are your questions, Hize? 00:31:33.649 --> 00:31:36.730 - Why daddy is in prison, concretely. 00:31:36.730 --> 00:31:40.122 - Yes, she's been asking that more and more specifically. 00:31:40.122 --> 00:31:44.374 We used to give her more general answers, but the older she gets, 00:31:44.374 --> 00:31:47.344 the more details she wants to know, 00:31:47.344 --> 00:31:52.604 and we give them to her. I think you have to tell children the truth. 00:31:55.394 --> 00:31:57.758 What does Hize's mum mean by 'telling the truth'? 00:31:57.990 --> 00:32:00.370 Do these underage kids know... 00:32:00.483 --> 00:32:04.033 ...what their parents did before going to prison? 00:32:04.723 --> 00:32:08.363 And if they know, what do they think about it? 00:32:08.907 --> 00:32:11.777 The aim of this program is not to ask children about what 00:32:11.789 --> 00:32:16.119 their parents did. The aim of this program is to analyze this: 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:21.139 How the exceptional penitentiary policy that is applied to their parents 00:32:21.139 --> 00:32:23.389 affects this kids. 00:32:26.109 --> 00:32:29.109 One of the consequences of this penitentiary policy of exception is 00:32:29.109 --> 00:32:31.140 that prisoners are kept far from their homeland: 00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:36.154 54 prisoners are between 100 and 390 kms away, 00:32:36.834 --> 00:32:41.654 103 prisoners between 400 and 690 kms away, 00:32:41.754 --> 00:32:46.434 211 prisoners between 700 and 1100 kms away. 00:32:47.194 --> 00:32:52.094 The children we're interviewing today have to travel all those kilometres twice... 00:32:52.094 --> 00:32:57.193 - one way, to go to see their parents, and then to return home. 00:32:57.193 --> 00:33:01.383 We're talking about that penitentiary policy of exception in the program today. 00:33:01.383 --> 00:33:05.321 What these children know about what their parents did... 00:33:05.321 --> 00:33:09.359 ...and what they think about it, 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.959 ...which would stay in their intimacy... 00:33:11.959 --> 00:33:14.434 That would take another whole program. 00:33:14.494 --> 00:33:22.206 - Your mum has told us that being 14 now, well, you're growing up and you've started... 00:33:22.206 --> 00:33:29.996 ...searching on the internet. What do you search? What are your concerns now? 00:33:30.396 --> 00:33:38.536 - Well, I saw when I was 11 or 12, and it wasn't really something I needed, but... 00:33:38.536 --> 00:33:48.629 ...I was curious, and I started searching... 00:33:48.629 --> 00:33:53.829 ...without knowing what I could find. - What did you search? 00:33:53.829 --> 00:33:56.974 - Did you googled your father's name? - Yes. 00:33:57.124 --> 00:33:59.364 - And a sentence did come up... ...or an article? 00:33:59.964 --> 00:34:06.205 - Yes, but a newspaper was saying one thing and... 00:34:06.205 --> 00:34:10.438 ...another one another thing, and well... It was stuff about my dad. So I didn't... 00:34:10.438 --> 00:34:14.200 I didn't know what to believe... 00:34:15.030 --> 00:34:17.531 - What was your reaction? 00:34:22.361 --> 00:34:27.201 - I didn't say anything, not a word, but I did tell my mum after that, and... 00:34:27.201 --> 00:34:32.245 Well, there are different versions about it. 00:34:33.045 --> 00:34:36.045 - And has your mother explained everything? - Yes. 00:34:36.135 --> 00:34:41.643 - Is there a question you repeat among those you ask your mum? 00:34:42.183 --> 00:34:44.967 - Yes, 'When is he coming back?' 00:34:48.167 --> 00:34:55.608 - And? What's the answer for that question? - I don't know. 'Soon'. That's what she says. 00:34:58.050 --> 00:35:01.770 - What have they told you about the years your dad has to spend in prison? 00:35:01.914 --> 00:35:03.214 - So... 40 years. 00:35:05.524 --> 00:35:07.354 - Wow, that's some time! - Yes. 00:35:09.154 --> 00:35:15.164 - So? - So... I don't know. 00:35:16.144 --> 00:35:18.485 - Why so many years? 00:35:18.755 --> 00:35:22.522 - Do your classmates, or your group of friends, ask much about your father? 00:35:23.162 --> 00:35:24.892 - They used to ask when we were younger, yes. 00:35:24.892 --> 00:35:29.812 'Why is your daddy in prison?' And I found it hard to answer... 00:35:29.812 --> 00:35:33.022 ...because I didn't really know, and they didn't neither... 00:35:33.022 --> 00:35:36.712 We still just know what they tell us at home. 00:35:36.712 --> 00:35:41.572 My mum used to tell me to tell them they should ask it at home. 00:35:41.572 --> 00:35:46.832 Because at the end of the day, they're going to tell you in one way... 00:35:46.832 --> 00:35:50.575 ...and my mum said she wasn't entitled to tell other kids... 00:35:50.575 --> 00:35:54.855 ...to talk about those things... That it was better to speak about it at home, and then... 00:35:54.855 --> 00:35:56.875 ...I used to tell my friends: 00:35:56.875 --> 00:36:00.445 'I don't know, my mum says you should ask your parents.' 00:36:00.445 --> 00:36:05.285 I usually answered that and at the end, well... 00:36:05.285 --> 00:36:09.462 My friends stopped asking at some stage, 00:36:09.462 --> 00:36:13.252 so I guess they were told something at home, and... 00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:20.950 - I've also... To pass the time, I've brought the tablet, 00:36:20.950 --> 00:36:23.549 ...headphones for the music... - Are they new? 00:36:23.549 --> 00:36:25.609 - They're a present from granddad. - Are they? Very good! 00:36:25.609 --> 00:36:28.539 - And then my homework and a book. - Very good. 00:36:28.539 --> 00:36:35.199 - Yes, and I'll do my homework on our way back on the bus, after seeing mum. 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:36.311 - Are you? - Yes, yes... 00:36:36.311 --> 00:36:39.741 - Well sure, they have to be done by Monday... 00:36:39.741 --> 00:36:43.221 - Yes, that's it. I can't do them on Monday morning... 00:36:43.221 --> 00:36:44.831 - No, no, no, of course... 00:36:44.831 --> 00:36:52.061 - What's the atmosphere like during the trips? - Good atmosphere, happy... 00:36:52.061 --> 00:36:56.731 ...and I laugh a lot somethimes. - Do you? What about? 00:36:56.731 --> 00:36:58.951 - With the bus drivers. - Why? 00:36:58.951 --> 00:37:06.810 - Because... They try to entertain me, and they do entertain me. 00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:11.988 - Are you one of the youngest ones? - Yes. 00:37:13.678 --> 00:37:15.230 (They sing together) 00:37:27.722 --> 00:37:30.982 - We're getting the beds ready... 00:37:30.982 --> 00:37:34.082 Garikoitz will sleep here, this is for Maitetxu and that's for me. 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.129 And Larraitz. And that other one... 00:37:36.738 --> 00:37:39.348 They get their beds ready before dinner. 00:37:39.578 --> 00:37:44.978 We're having dinner now, and well... We'll arrive later on and... until tomorrow. 00:37:48.038 --> 00:37:49.778 - Jesus! 00:37:51.072 --> 00:37:55.322 - And how is the trip going, Jare? Good? 00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.720 - You can't wait to see your daddy, can you? - Yeah... 00:38:00.980 --> 00:38:04.930 - She was in Larrabetzu today, saying she wanted to see daddy. 00:38:05.930 --> 00:38:08.990 - Oh, yeah? - Tomorrow, tomorrow morning, soon. 00:38:10.690 --> 00:38:12.790 - Will you see your daddy tomorrow morning? (She shakes her head 'no') 00:38:12.790 --> 00:38:15.240 - When then? - In the afternoon! 00:38:15.830 --> 00:38:17.340 - Oh! 00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:19.670 - Yes, because she'll come with me, won't she? 00:38:19.670 --> 00:38:25.180 - Not tomorrow, because we have the relatives' visit. You'll be in the long one, and we have the one in the small room. 00:38:25.398 --> 00:38:30.878 - And then 'cohabitation', and glass, in the morning and in the afternoon. 00:38:30.878 --> 00:38:36.128 - But not the glass... The glass isn't... 00:38:36.129 --> 00:38:39.499 ...as nice as the relatives' visit. - No, it's not. 00:38:39.499 --> 00:38:42.939 You can't touch your mummy and daddy. Yeah... That's why, isn't it? 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:47.209 - What do you prefer, Jare? 00:38:47.209 --> 00:38:52.519 - Oh! To be with daddy! Yes, and to kiss daddy! 00:38:52.604 --> 00:38:53.704 - Yes? 00:38:55.865 --> 00:38:57.345 - Shall we open it? 00:38:58.217 --> 00:39:02.147 - But Jare, talk like a 4-year-old kid. Not like a wee baby. 00:39:02.164 --> 00:39:05.564 - How old are you? 4? (She shows four fingers) 00:39:05.610 --> 00:39:08.730 - Such a big girl! - But she's a bit unruly now... 00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:11.720 ...and it seems... - You must be tired... Of course. 00:39:11.903 --> 00:39:15.633 - Jare gets angry sometimes, isn't she? When she has to say good bye to daddy... 00:39:16.441 --> 00:39:19.571 - Yeah? (She nods) 00:39:22.755 --> 00:39:25.245 - She's messing around now... 00:39:31.132 --> 00:39:35.102 - Well Gari, good bye darling. See you tomorrow, ok? Good night. 00:40:50.299 --> 00:40:54.219 Some of the relatives get off the bus in El Puerto de Santamaria (Cadiz). 00:40:54.219 --> 00:40:58.949 The rest have to keep traveling 110 kilometres more until Algeciras. 00:41:00.951 --> 00:41:05.301 - Well, we'll be there soon! - I hope so... 00:41:05.301 --> 00:41:09.301 ...because we started at 5pm yesterday, and we're still here... 00:41:09.301 --> 00:41:13.531 - Yes, yes... - There are still one or two hours left... 00:41:13.531 --> 00:41:16.201 - Yes, it's been 14 hours now... 00:41:17.455 --> 00:41:20.255 - To have to drive 1,600 km with two children, on the car... 00:41:21.095 --> 00:41:25.065 ...and seeing the risk of having an accident... You think it might be better to take a plane, 00:41:25.065 --> 00:41:26.395 even if it's much more expensive... 00:41:28.292 --> 00:41:31.922 Traffic accidents are, of course, the most dangerous consequences of the dispersal policy. 00:41:31.922 --> 00:41:35.585 It has caused dozens of deaths and injuries in recent years. 00:41:35.585 --> 00:41:38.795 Relatives also consider taking a plane... 00:41:38.795 --> 00:41:41.075 but that's much more expensive. 00:41:42.415 --> 00:41:46.795 - The thing is that they've changed the timetable of the plane and... 00:41:46.795 --> 00:41:50.105 ...it doesn't suit us anymore, does it? 00:41:50.105 --> 00:41:56.525 - Yeah, and it used to be late sometimes, and we couldn't get there on time. 00:41:56.525 --> 00:41:59.625 - Yes, and what happens if you arrive a bit late? 00:42:00.444 --> 00:42:02.864 - You can't get in. 00:42:03.285 --> 00:42:07.871 - But well, sometimes we arrive on time and we still get in late, don't we? 00:42:07.871 --> 00:42:11.421 - Yes! - Because they open the doors late... 00:42:11.711 --> 00:42:13.948 ...but well, that's how prison is, isn't it? - Yes... 00:42:13.948 --> 00:42:16.608 - We tell you that very often: 'That's how prison works.' 00:42:28.258 --> 00:42:32.148 - Do you know that I once counted all the doors we have to go through 00:42:32.148 --> 00:42:35.428 before we get to see daddy? 00:42:43.976 --> 00:42:47.976 - We go through a door, and then we have to wait there, don't we? 00:42:47.976 --> 00:42:48.711 - Yes! 00:42:48.711 --> 00:42:51.641 - Then they open another door, we go through it, and we have to wait again... 00:42:51.641 --> 00:42:53.041 - And we do that nine times! 00:42:53.041 --> 00:42:57.241 - Go through 9 doors, and we have to wait a lot. 00:43:12.894 --> 00:43:16.014 - What happens when you arrive to prison? 00:43:16.288 --> 00:43:21.498 - We have to be there half an hour earlier, and we have to show our IDs and the fingerprints... 00:43:21.498 --> 00:43:29.278 We go through a door after that, and they search us with a metal detector... A handheld detector. 00:43:29.368 --> 00:43:34.098 And then, we get in and we have to wait in another room, and we get in after that. 00:43:55.007 --> 00:43:59.730 - The screws are there, aren't they? Prison officers. NOTE Paragraph 00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:01.457 How is your relationship with them? 00:44:01.767 --> 00:44:07.537 - Well... There are lots of them, and each of them is a different person, you know? 00:44:08.277 --> 00:44:13.457 They usually are quite respectful, even if we've had some problems with some of them... 00:44:13.557 --> 00:44:16.177 But they're usually respectful. 00:44:16.965 --> 00:44:21.625 - When I was going through your homework, last summer, I found... 00:44:21.625 --> 00:44:25.845 ...very nice drawings, and very nice essays. And you often said that thing... 00:44:25.845 --> 00:44:28.865 'We've been with daddy at the weekend' 'It's been great...' 00:44:28.865 --> 00:44:33.345 And there was a drawing... I thought it was special. Do you remember it? 00:44:33.475 --> 00:44:36.390 - Yes, it was an angry screw. 00:44:36.550 --> 00:44:38.400 - How is the treatment you get from them? 00:44:39.150 --> 00:44:44.880 - I don't know... We don't have a relationship like... So... 00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:53.850 They tell us 'Get in!' or 'Wait!' or... 'What do you have there?' 00:44:54.262 --> 00:44:56.132 - And why was he angry? 00:44:56.132 --> 00:44:59.092 With those big teeth... - Yes. 00:44:59.092 --> 00:45:02.706 - Why was he angry? - They're always angry. 00:45:03.086 --> 00:45:05.476 - Prison officers are always angry? Do you think? 00:45:05.476 --> 00:45:07.536 - Yes. - Are they? Why do you think so? 00:45:07.536 --> 00:45:10.686 - I don't know. - Are they too serious? 00:45:10.766 --> 00:45:11.646 - Yes. - Yes? 00:45:12.406 --> 00:45:14.816 - Do you feel they treat you well in prison? 00:45:14.965 --> 00:45:20.845 - It depends on who... I do sometimes, but they're too rough some other times. 00:45:59.397 --> 00:46:04.464 - Do you prepare each visit, each hour you spend with your dad? 00:46:04.667 --> 00:46:09.257 - Well, each visit is different, it has different things... 00:46:09.651 --> 00:46:14.251 There's a funny thing about visits. Each of them is special, and intense, but... 00:46:14.251 --> 00:46:19.731 ...it's difficult to remember just one visit as 'the special one'. 00:46:19.957 --> 00:46:24.347 They all are special, and you can't remember one as the best one. 00:46:35.192 --> 00:46:38.422 - How would you describe a prison? 00:46:40.032 --> 00:46:43.942 - Iron bars, walls, the sound of the doors... 00:46:43.942 --> 00:46:48.612 ...and because my dad has always been in solitary confinment, we have to go to that wing. 00:46:49.478 --> 00:46:53.478 And it's very small, dark. There's no daylight. 00:46:55.082 --> 00:46:57.582 - Dirty and old. 00:46:57.858 --> 00:46:59.318 - Cold and dark. 00:46:59.318 --> 00:47:01.418 - Have you ever seen your dad's cell? - No. 00:47:01.835 --> 00:47:03.935 - Has he told you what it's like? - No. 00:47:04.660 --> 00:47:06.970 - Have you ever asked him? - No. 00:47:07.005 --> 00:47:08.865 - Why not? 00:47:08.938 --> 00:47:16.518 - Well... I'd rather spend the time we have talking about other stuff. 00:48:12.309 --> 00:48:18.059 - How is it when you see him? - Since I was a child... 00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:23.229 ...always, they open the door, and I always run towards him, I still do... 00:48:23.229 --> 00:48:25.629 ...and he takes me in his arms, always. 00:48:25.812 --> 00:48:29.444 - Aiur and me jump on daddy... 00:48:29.444 --> 00:48:32.634 ...and we play to a lot of things. 00:48:52.674 --> 00:49:00.434 - The question people always ask is how my dad is, and even though I answered it so many times... 00:49:00.434 --> 00:49:05.144 ...it's still the most difficult question to answer. 00:49:31.999 --> 00:49:38.049 - What would you say you need for that hour and a half to be 'well spent'? 00:49:39.029 --> 00:49:41.849 What do you need to think... 00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:44.339 'it's been a well spent an hour and a half'? 00:49:45.299 --> 00:49:48.379 - To share love... 00:49:48.379 --> 00:49:51.899 ...to enjoy it. Well, sometimes it's necessary to have bad times too. 00:49:52.228 --> 00:50:01.288 - Have you ever felt... Have you felt the need to stay away... 00:50:01.288 --> 00:50:05.186 ...from your dad and the trips, maybe? 00:50:05.636 --> 00:50:08.356 - No, I've never felt that. 00:50:09.104 --> 00:50:15.944 We all try to keep as close as we can 00:50:15.944 --> 00:50:17.124 to the person who is inside. 00:50:27.140 --> 00:50:31.240 - Then, at the end, a screw comes and says 'It's over!'... 00:50:31.940 --> 00:50:35.940 - Yes, or 'Come on, finish' or 'Time to leave', and that's when... 00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:37.820 ...it's like a rage, anger... 00:50:37.841 --> 00:50:40.441 - A prison officer, from a microphone. 00:50:40.441 --> 00:50:44.661 - It's like when I was a child... I want to stay with him. 00:50:45.091 --> 00:50:49.951 - I hug him, and start tidying everything up. 00:50:50.141 --> 00:50:56.581 - And... that 'good bye' is never easy. Even if we want to leave the prison, 00:50:56.651 --> 00:50:59.661 ...we don't want the visit to end. 00:50:59.764 --> 00:51:04.704 - Because I have to wait a whole month to see my daddy again. 00:51:14.758 --> 00:51:20.528 - The years go by and you don't see the end... 00:51:20.798 --> 00:51:22.718 Don't you give up? 00:51:23.188 --> 00:51:27.608 - No, you don't. You always have to remain hopeful. 00:51:27.878 --> 00:51:33.188 You don't rely on false hopes, but you're always hopeful about... 00:51:33.188 --> 00:51:39.088 'Let's see if they bring him closer' or something, you know? 00:51:39.088 --> 00:51:43.279 'Let's see if everything changes...' I don't know... 00:51:43.279 --> 00:51:48.849 You always have that... hope. You have to remain hopeful. 00:51:48.849 --> 00:51:53.119 If you lose it... You don't have anything left. 00:52:12.309 --> 00:52:15.619 - Can you think of a time you visited your dad... 00:52:16.435 --> 00:52:18.405 ...that you'll always remember? 00:52:22.006 --> 00:52:25.006 - We went on his birthday, last year. 00:52:25.698 --> 00:52:28.968 It was a week day, I missed school... 00:52:28.968 --> 00:52:30.578 ...I wanted to go on that day. 00:52:30.578 --> 00:52:34.234 He writes a poem for me every year for my birthday, so I... 00:52:34.234 --> 00:52:38.210 ...I wrote one for him. It was nice. - Do you remember the poem? 00:52:38.210 --> 00:52:40.750 - Yes. - Would you sing it? 00:52:43.964 --> 00:52:50.324 - Years have gone by, some time now, 00:52:51.176 --> 00:52:57.694 and our love is what drives us every day. 00:52:58.144 --> 00:53:04.328 Being far away still strenghts the relationship. 00:53:05.028 --> 00:53:11.688 They won't see us sad, we'll always sing happily, 00:53:12.131 --> 00:53:19.351 because we don't care if they're 40 years, or 102. 00:53:19.624 --> 00:53:26.554 because we don't care if they're 40 years, or 102. 00:53:55.640 --> 00:54:01.970 - I want to get my driving license, because I can't take the bus for years, 00:54:01.970 --> 00:54:06.360 ...and I'd like to go by myself. I think it could be nice. 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.340 And on my arrival, I'd say to my mum and dad: 00:54:09.340 --> 00:54:14.780 'This has been my first trip on my own!' That's why I'm excited about it. 00:54:15.282 --> 00:54:19.282 - To get your driving license, then? - Yes.