0:00:00.150,0:00:05.773 - I'm hungry, I'm hungry, I'm hungry...[br]- No way, are you? 0:00:06.454,0:00:09.534 - A little bit.[br]- Chorizo? 0:00:09.534,0:00:14.144 - I don't know, is there any left?[br]- Yes, do you want it or not? 0:00:14.668,0:00:16.978 - Yes, but also for you and grandpa. 0:00:17.686,0:00:20.236 - Yes, there is, don't worry, I don't want it.[br]- Ah, that's true. 0:00:24.824,0:00:27.484 - I'm hungry, I'm hungry... 0:00:29.557,0:00:32.477 - We went to the library today, at school.[br]- What? 0:00:32.477,0:00:34.757 - We went to the library... to the media library.[br]- When? 0:00:34.757,0:00:37.267 - Today... In the morning.[br]- Oh, in the morning? 0:00:37.267,0:00:37.817 - Yes-[br]- And? 0:00:37.957,0:00:42.447 - I got a lend of a book.[br]- For the trip? 0:00:43.444,0:00:46.664 - Maybe yes, well, yes...[br]- Ok, very well, yes... 0:00:48.724,0:00:53.436 - Its title is 'Grandpa and grandma at the summercamp'. 0:00:54.487,0:01:00.797 - Let's see, Garikoitz, here is yours... Grandpa doesn't eat chorizo. 0:01:01.084,0:01:04.774 - No, I don't want it... I don't want it. 0:01:07.048,0:01:09.328 - How is it? Is it hot? 0:01:11.300,0:01:14.310 - Gari, can you tell us where [br]and who you live with? 0:01:15.555,0:01:21.585 - Yes, well... I live in Biriatu with my grandparents. 0:01:21.585,0:01:24.805 - Surrounded by forests and montains. Are you [br]happy here? 0:01:24.805,0:01:28.435 - Yes... yes.[br]- Why do you live with your grandparents? 0:01:28.623,0:01:33.013 - Because my mother and father [br]were in prison, and when I was 3 0:01:33.676,0:01:35.966 my uncle took me to Biriatu 0:01:35.966,0:01:38.196 to live with my grandparents. 0:01:38.724,0:01:41.164 - Have you always known [br]your parents in prison? 0:01:41.485,0:01:44.025 - Yes [br]- And how is that? 0:01:45.208,0:01:49.268 - Well, a bit sad. 0:01:51.003,0:01:56.583 - When I see them I am very happy, [br]but at the farewell a little bit sad. 0:01:56.916,0:01:59.196 - Enjoy![br]- Thank you. 0:02:01.174,0:02:08.474 - Later, I'll tell you where the ID [br]and the rest of the things are 0:02:08.474,0:02:11.214 in the backpack, okay? [br]So you can tell your auntie. 0:02:12.426,0:02:18.326 - In your everyday life, in what situations [br]do you notice that your parents [br]are in prison? 0:02:18.664,0:02:22.194 What things do you have to change [br]because your parents are in prison? 0:02:23.189,0:02:25.979 - Well... 0:02:27.715,0:02:28.695 - It's ok Gari. 0:02:28.816,0:02:31.596 - Oh and... maybe my homework for the journey. 0:02:32.226,0:02:33.638 - I told you earlier...[br]- Yes. 0:02:34.050,0:02:37.920 ...to take them... to put them in the backpack. 0:02:38.709,0:02:40.539 - Yes, we'll put them in now. 0:02:40.676,0:02:44.536 - I told you to take your homework with you,[br]so you can do them with Larraitz. 0:02:45.910,0:02:47.780 - What homework do you have? 0:02:48.401,0:02:49.331 - Maths. 0:02:49.331,0:02:52.121 - Maths? That's easy! 0:02:52.132,0:02:52.562 - Yes. 0:02:52.699,0:02:56.089 - But I told you earlier, to take it, didn't I? 0:02:56.089,0:02:57.569 - Yeaaaah! 0:03:00.539,0:03:03.449 - Errrm... I'm sorry, could you [br]ask me the question again? 0:03:03.449,0:03:04.749 - I can't remember it... 0:03:05.275,0:03:10.895 - Yes, we’d like to know what it is like [br]to have your parents in prison. 0:03:11.370,0:03:16.750 - Well, sometimes you feel bad, 0:03:16.819,0:03:25.329 other times not that much. I think about [br]them all the time, and I love them very much. 0:03:27.197,0:03:31.687 - Where were you born? [br]- In Granada. In prison. 0:03:32.742,0:03:40.882 - So, usually otherwise, [br]whenever I finish I will... 0:03:42.214,0:03:46.474 - Mikel is very nice, [br]and sometimes we speak 0:03:47.177,0:03:52.587 or play with the kids, with Jare and the rest.[br]- With Jare, yes, she is very kind! 0:03:52.987,0:04:01.117 - Yes, that wee girl, yes... And ask [br]Mikel to... connect to the wifi 0:04:01.117,0:04:05.457 in your tablet.[br]- Yes, sure... yes, yes. 0:04:05.937,0:04:10.757 - So you can play a bit with the tablet.[br]- Yes. 0:04:10.838,0:04:17.958 - If you feel a little bored or whatever...[br]- Yes, or to listen to music as well. 0:04:17.958,0:04:24.730 - That’s it! Or watch videos, no?[br]- Benito Lertxundi, or Huntza.[br](Basque bands) 0:04:24.824,0:04:30.204 - Yes, that's it.[br]- Oh yes! Yes, there's a film at night. 0:04:32.218,0:04:40.498 - How many prisons have you visited?[br]- 7 or... 5, i’m not really sure. 0:04:42.168,0:04:45.048 - How long were you in prison?[br]- 3 years. 0:04:45.401,0:04:46.841 - 3 years?[br]- 3 years. 0:04:47.111,0:04:49.891 - I've got you the biggest one.[br]- Granma, I know how to cut it down, don't worry. 0:04:49.891,0:04:51.801 - Yes? So go, do it yourself. 0:04:52.784,0:04:57.364 - When there are changes from one prison to another,[br]when your parents are moved to another prison... 0:04:57.669,0:05:06.290 How is it like?[br]It's bad. If only they were moved closer 0:05:06.290,0:05:11.048 But they don’t bring them closer to here… 0:05:12.088,0:05:13.728 They take them further away, and it’s worse. 0:05:14.248,0:05:18.248 - Have all those changes always been to take them even further away? 0:05:18.468,0:05:19.838 - Yes. 0:05:21.078,0:05:25.738 - So, one day I was with Aitzol, [br]my older cousin, and we arrived 0:05:25.738,0:05:32.026 to "El Cepo" to have breakfast, right? [br]And well, later on with the family, [br]the aunt and so on, 0:05:32.026,0:05:38.286 they said 'How about the journey?' [br]and cousin Aitzol said 0:05:38.457,0:05:42.497 'See, we were having breakfast in Cepo', [br]and Gari... was asleep! 0:06:48.443,0:06:51.273 - Welcome. Today we’re taking the bus [br]to go to Cadiz. 0:06:51.273,0:06:53.723 A 2000 kilometres round trip. 0:06:53.870,0:06:57.530 There, we will join a child who has both [br]of his parents in prison. 0:06:57.639,0:07:02.989 In fact, Gari was born in a prison, [br]and he spent the first 3 years of his life there. 0:07:13.473,0:07:16.443 - Do you often say [br]that you were born in prison? 0:07:17.254,0:07:18.154 - Yes. 0:07:18.234,0:07:22.234 - And, what do people say?[br]- That it’s very weird. 0:07:32.412,0:07:37.832 He’s 9 now. He lives in Biriatu,[br]and he visits his parents once a month. 0:07:48.507,0:07:52.007 Gari is not the only child with a backpack [br]we'll meet today in Ur Handitan. 0:07:52.168,0:07:55.038 Should you like to make this trip with us,[br]welcome! 0:08:06.716,0:08:09.796 - Malen, you've always met your dad in jail.[br]- Yes. 0:08:09.821,0:08:13.171 - How many years has he been in prison?[br]- 20. 0:08:14.035,0:08:16.535 - 20 years, and how old are you?[br]- 18. 0:08:17.102,0:08:24.022 - He phones Aiur twice a week, [br]the same as me, [br]because he can make 8 calls. 0:08:24.233,0:08:26.393 We cannot phone him... 0:08:26.566,0:08:30.086 - During those car trips...[br]- Yes. 0:08:30.086,0:08:31.646 - What do you think about? 0:08:31.648,0:08:35.398 - About when we are going to arrive, [br]whether he is fine... 0:08:37.499,0:08:41.089 Why we must fill a part [br]of their sanction... 0:08:41.089,0:08:47.049 Why we are forced[br]to make so many kilometres... 0:08:59.035,0:09:01.495 - Do you feel well treated in prison? 0:09:02.094,0:09:06.874 - It depends. Sometimes you are treated well,[br]other times they're too strict... 0:09:07.902,0:09:10.722 - How would you describe a jail? 0:09:11.254,0:09:14.544 - So, dirty and old.[br]- Yeah? 0:09:15.178,0:09:17.908 - Dark, there's no natural light. 0:09:18.075,0:09:19.305 - Cold and dark. 0:09:29.414,0:09:32.414 Ur handitan [br]CHILDREN WITH A BACKPACK 0:09:42.773,0:09:43.753 - Gari, wait! 0:09:44.798,0:09:47.708 - That's it... Have a good time, ok? 0:09:48.468,0:09:50.128 - Ok, be calm! 0:09:50.413,0:09:52.713 The bus will depart from Errenteria. 0:09:52.713,0:09:54.923 Today Gari is going with aunt Txipi. 0:09:56.435,0:09:58.275 - Come on...[br]- Regards! 0:09:58.545,0:10:00.365 - Bye bye! [br]- Goodbye! 0:10:00.452,0:10:04.332 - Help Maite, help your grandmother, yes. 0:10:05.007,0:10:07.287 - Auntie, the homework, [br]the homework, yes yes yes... 0:10:07.473,0:10:11.233 - Do you have them ? You didn't [br]bring anything, did you?[br]You'll do them on Sunday at home, ok? 0:10:11.372,0:10:12.732 - No, no, I brought some. 0:10:12.732,0:10:14.332 - Did you bring your homework?[br]- Yes. 0:10:14.332,0:10:17.422 - And where will we do them, in Algeciras?[br]- No... 0:10:17.768,0:10:19.888 - You have everything [br]in your backpack.[br]- Yes. 0:10:19.888,0:10:21.038 - Yes, yes, of course. 0:10:23.267,0:10:28.137 - Gari, where were you born?[br]- In Granada, in jail. 0:10:30.222,0:10:34.112 - And then you had to move[br]to another prison, right? 0:10:35.315,0:10:38.615 - I think so, in a little while, [br]from there to Valencia. 0:10:40.513,0:10:44.643 - And that, for example..., you tell people[br]you were born in prison? 0:10:45.849,0:10:46.509 - Yes. 0:10:47.908,0:10:52.158 - And how do you say it?[br]- As a curiosity, as an oddity... 0:10:52.337,0:10:53.857 - As an oddity. 0:10:54.000,0:10:55.800 - Do you tell your friends about it?[br]- Yes, I do. 0:10:56.649,0:11:01.369 - And what do they say?[br]- That it's so weird... 0:11:03.283,0:11:05.093 - That it's weird.[br]- Yes. 0:11:05.385,0:11:07.975 - And do they ask a lot of questions?[br]- Yes, a lot. 0:11:09.001,0:11:10.151 - What do they want to know? 0:11:11.172,0:11:16.282 - Once and again, how I feel,[br]how I make the trips, 0:11:16.373,0:11:19.573 how many kilometres, and so on. 0:11:19.812,0:11:24.032 - You said that being born [br]in jail is an oddity... 0:11:24.193,0:11:24.723 - Yes. 0:11:24.723,0:11:27.143 - What kind of oddity? [br]How do you see it? 0:11:28.875,0:11:29.965 - Sad. 0:11:30.059,0:11:31.749 - Sad?[br]- Yes. 0:11:36.016,0:11:38.746 - Yes, yes, yes, I have my homework. 0:11:41.089,0:11:42.749 Well... on the bus. 0:11:45.184,0:11:46.824 For Monday 0:11:47.629,0:11:53.369 - Sometimes, sometimes he calls [br]when we're not expecting it 0:11:54.208,0:11:58.208 and some other times we're [br]waiting for his calls. 0:11:58.749,0:12:00.919 - Do you have the chance [br]to talk to your dad on the phone? 0:12:00.919,0:12:03.829 - Yes, for 5 minutes, but yes. 0:12:05.307,0:12:07.437 - Eeeh, on weekends. 0:12:10.219,0:12:11.939 - Here it's rainy too... 0:12:15.103,0:12:18.463 ...and otherwise umbrella and coat. 0:12:22.336,0:12:25.276 - How do you communicate with your daddy? 0:12:25.365,0:12:27.845 - By phone, letter and visits. 0:12:28.331,0:12:30.281 - How long are the phone calls, [br]do you know? 0:12:30.324,0:12:32.444 - 5 minutes.[br]- 5 minutes long? 0:12:32.769,0:12:34.589 - And are they short or long for you? 0:12:37.182,0:12:38.482 - Short 0:12:38.491,0:12:40.081 - So, you find them short?[br]- Yes. 0:12:40.081,0:12:42.311 - The call is suddenly cut off, isn't it?[br]- Yes. 0:12:42.311,0:12:45.091 - Dad says 'It's gonna be cut off![br]Gonna cut off!' And... It's cut off. 0:12:45.091,0:12:47.291 - Yes.[br]- And how do you feel in that moment? 0:12:47.327,0:12:49.867 "I haven't told him yet what [br]happened to me yesterday!" 0:12:49.867,0:12:51.847 - You often tell me that...[br]- Yes. 0:12:53.532,0:13:03.902 'Is it over? Damn... I love you![br]Yes, cheers, I love you, bye!' 0:13:04.917,0:13:06.347 'Is it over already?'[br]Yes. 0:13:07.086,0:13:10.276 - What does he say? [br]- Is it raining there also, in Algeciras? 0:13:10.276,0:13:12.286 - Yes.[br]- Yes? Jesus! 0:13:12.967,0:13:15.527 - Do you know what their daily life is like[br]inside the prison? 0:13:15.786,0:13:18.716 - No.[br]- Do they tell you or... 0:13:19.786,0:13:25.086 You don't ask them?[br]- Sometimes... but I don't know very much. 0:13:26.635,0:13:36.465 - What have they told you?[br]- To be honest... they haven't told me much. 0:13:39.095,0:13:42.555 - Don't worry... Why do you think[br]they haven't told you? 0:13:43.308,0:13:50.618 - Because for me it is not...[br]Because I wouldn't like it... That's why. 0:13:58.185,0:14:03.705 - Yes, thank you. [br]- Wait, where is grandpa? 0:14:04.348,0:14:07.618 - Look, here they are, look![br]- Hi! 0:14:07.618,0:14:09.598 - Hello![br]- Hi there! 0:14:11.409,0:14:14.559 After stopping in Donostia, [br]there is another stop in Bilbo. 0:14:14.642,0:14:18.262 Gari's other grandfather is there,[br]ready to greet his grandson. 0:14:18.696,0:14:22.336 - Now, in this interview... 0:14:22.364,0:14:26.284 It's true that you feel down[br]and that all your emotions get out, 0:14:27.117,0:14:33.947 but otherwise, in your daily life, [br]we see you as a strong boy. 0:14:33.947,0:14:37.107 - Yes.[br]- And happy... How do you do that? 0:14:38.781,0:14:46.391 - I think that they will come (home)[br]some day... and I stay calm. 0:14:48.897,0:14:53.307 - What helps you moving forward?[br]- Grandma and grandpa. 0:14:57.318,0:14:59.058 - Hello![br]- Hi! 0:14:59.078,0:15:02.548 - Tell him.[br]- Hello Ixone, hello! 0:15:02.548,0:15:04.798 - Hello, how are you?[br]- Fine. 0:15:07.200,0:15:10.690 - Will we sit down here?[br]- No, sorry, you have to sit in the back.... 0:15:10.690,0:15:13.090 That one has to be free.[br]That's why we are here... 0:15:25.122,0:15:28.842 - I have the championship[br]on Saturday and Sundays, right? 0:15:28.842,0:15:31.792 - Yes.[br]- And I can play and all sometimes, 0:15:31.792,0:15:34.082 but other times I can't play 0:15:34.082,0:15:36.212 because I have to come[br]to visit mom and dad. 0:15:36.212,0:15:39.942 But of course, it makes sense,[br]there will be another championships too. 0:15:40.246,0:15:43.716 I'd rather see mom and dad[br]than play the championship. 0:15:43.748,0:15:49.808 - I was always asking when he was going to come.[br]And I had a rather critical time... 0:15:50.500,0:15:56.510 I was down or... and mom and dad, to calm me,[br]they told me that dad would come to the next 0:15:56.510,0:16:02.860 verse championship with me.[br]I accepted it happily but later on 0:16:02.860,0:16:08.550 I realized it was a lie[br]to make me calm down. 0:16:08.565,0:16:12.305 - Your mom told you that your dad was going to be[br]in the next verse championship. 0:16:12.305,0:16:15.305 - Yes, with me.[br]- But... He couldn't go to the last 0:16:15.305,0:16:16.865 verse championship.[br]- No. 0:16:17.207,0:16:25.827 - What do you think during those car trips?[br]- When we'll arrive, whether he's gonna be ok... 0:16:27.112,0:16:30.242 - Why are you worried about your father? 0:16:30.378,0:16:37.745 - Well... he gets sick often. 0:16:37.795,0:16:41.765 - Does he tell you... the difficulties[br]he is going through there, or not? 0:16:41.765,0:16:44.525 - Sometimes yes, and other times no. 0:16:45.188,0:16:48.758 - Do you think he doesn't tell you[br]everything, in order to protect you? 0:16:48.965,0:16:52.095 - I don't know... but he doesn't say everything. 0:16:53.555,0:16:54.735 - Hize, interview. 0:16:55.395,0:16:57.635 In Murcia, in prison... 0:16:57.635,0:17:03.175 - We agreed on the phone[br]to watch cartoons at the same time 0:17:03.175,0:17:05.835 and to look at the moon at the same time too. 0:17:05.835,0:17:09.535 At the same time to watch the cartoons[br]and look at the moon. 0:17:09.535,0:17:11.855 -Oh! You watch the same cartoons then, 0:17:11.855,0:17:13.905 at the same time.[br]- Yes! 0:17:13.905,0:17:17.225 - That's almost as if you were together! 0:17:17.225,0:17:23.845 And looking at the moon at the same time,[br]that's almost like being together too! 0:17:23.845,0:17:26.845 - He makes two calls to Aiur every week, 0:17:26.845,0:17:32.885 and another two to me, because he has[br]8 phone calls.[br]We can't phone him... 0:17:50.285,0:17:53.648 - And your friends know where[br]your dad and mom are, don't they? 0:17:54.250,0:17:57.090 - Yes, indeed.[br]- And your teachers as well? 0:17:57.090,0:17:58.900 - Yes, they do.[br]- And so... Do they understand it? 0:17:58.900,0:17:59.430 - Yes.[br]- Ok. 0:18:00.489,0:18:02.759 - Do you speak with the teachers about this?[br]Do they ask about it? 0:18:02.759,0:18:04.079 - No. 0:18:05.362,0:18:07.752 - I have had a few problems, 0:18:07.752,0:18:10.562 when the teacher knows... 0:18:10.992,0:18:15.322 It seems... I don't know if it's fear or...[br]A bit of worry, and then the teacher changes 0:18:15.322,0:18:19.166 the relationship with you. 0:18:19.166,0:18:23.006 Your teacher knows a very intimate [br]thing of your life... 0:18:23.006,0:18:26.387 Now they will know, if they're watching! 0:18:26.387,0:18:30.837 - Depending on how the teacher is, he/she [br]might say: 0:18:30.837,0:18:36.249 'Oh, poor little child' or something...[br]And that's a bit like... 0:18:36.249,0:18:39.249 I don't like that. 0:18:39.249,0:18:43.789 - When Nuria, your teacher, proposed to[br]go and see your parents in prison, 0:18:44.156,0:18:45.471 what did you think? 0:18:45.471,0:18:52.241 - Yes, I thought it was a good idea[br]and I felt happy about it. 0:18:52.333,0:18:57.923 -And I remember when we were coming[br]from the first visit, I said... 0:18:57.923,0:19:00.303 When we were sitting in the circle [br]first thing in the morning I said: 0:19:00.360,0:19:04.130 'You don't know how beautiful[br]Haizea's mother is... 0:19:05.115,0:19:08.475 and what precious rings she has,[br]and the beautiful necklace she has and...' 0:19:09.278,0:19:14.508 And when I said that -I still remember[br]the look in the children's eyes... 0:19:14.988,0:19:18.718 And from that moment on, the kid started 0:19:18.718,0:19:23.958 talking more naturally [br]about the situation. [br] 0:19:24.247,0:19:28.536 - Your teacher has told us that when you were younger 0:19:28.536,0:19:33.476 and the other kids spoke [br]about their parents, you used to get sad. 0:19:33.476,0:19:34.736 - Yes.[br]- Why? 0:19:35.201,0:19:44.771 - Because their parents are free[br]and mine are not, and then I get sad... 0:19:45.620,0:19:52.160 - When Haizea got into the classroom,[br]I thought 'I meet the other parents... 0:19:52.160,0:19:57.440 I talk about the kids with them.[br]I want to be with these parents too.' 0:19:57.440,0:20:00.770 How come am I not going to tell[br]these parents about 0:20:00.770,0:20:05.650 how their kid is doing at school?,[br]or what wee prank she is doing, 0:20:06.150,0:20:10.870 or how she is behaving? 0:20:11.279,0:20:18.789 - The other kids have meetings[br]between the teachers and the parents. 0:20:18.789,0:20:21.799 - Yes.[br]- And you also have them... 0:20:21.867,0:20:22.947 - Yes. 0:20:23.878,0:20:26.098 - What was the reaction of the parents? 0:20:26.098,0:20:32.158 - Look, as a mother, I perhaps...[br]When I entered there and I saw 0:20:32.158,0:20:38.528 the two of them together? [br]The look of the mother was incredible... 0:20:40.809,0:20:44.809 - You won't ever forget that [br]first visit, right?[br]-No, no way, never. 0:20:46.265,0:20:52.165 - Do you ever feel bad [br]or down at school 0:20:52.165,0:20:58.735 and your teacher is there to help you?[br]- Yes, sometimes I feel sad, 0:20:58.735,0:21:01.855 and I get out of the class,[br]and Nuria (the teacher) sees me. 0:21:03.188,0:21:05.698 - So you have her support?[br]- Yes. 0:21:06.720,0:21:12.730 - Has someone ever told you something about the special[br]attention you give to Haizea's parents? 0:21:12.730,0:21:16.290 - No, never. 0:21:16.410,0:21:20.970 - I am sure it's not easy to keep[br]an ethical distance, right? 0:21:21.533,0:21:25.133 -No, it is not.[br]It is not easy. 0:21:25.925,0:21:28.005 It's not easy at all.[br]- Why is that? 0:21:32.218,0:21:33.669 - Well, I am not really sure... 0:21:36.049,0:21:41.099 Sometimes you have to draw a line between[br]what you think and what you'd say. 0:21:41.099,0:21:45.259 You have to draw the line, right? 0:21:45.679,0:21:50.219 At the end of the day, I'm a teacher and[br]I can't mix things, right? 0:21:50.583,0:21:55.183 There has to be a line between[br]your personal stuff, your experiencies, 0:21:55.183,0:21:58.213 and what you feel for that family,[br]if you know what I mean... 0:21:58.568,0:22:01.088 - What would you like to be when [br]you grow up?[br]- I dont know. 0:22:01.700,0:22:03.790 - A cook maybe?[br]- Maybe, I'm not sure. 0:22:03.790,0:22:05.450 - What then?[br]- I don't know. 0:22:05.450,0:22:08.370 - A musician maybe?[br]- Yes, maybe. 0:22:08.515,0:22:11.865 I like Huntza very much,[br]to listen to it... Yeah. 0:22:11.956,0:22:13.966 - Do you?[br]- Yes, I like it a lot. 0:22:14.326,0:22:16.236 And Anje Duhalde.[br]- Oh, really? 0:22:16.236,0:22:17.626 Yes, yes. And... 0:22:18.082,0:22:22.082 - So mummy and daddy will be happy[br]if you get good marks. 0:22:22.082,0:22:23.272 - Yes.[br]- Very good! 0:22:23.272,0:22:26.142 - Well, I guess.[br]I'll tell them tomorrow. 0:22:26.142,0:22:27.142 - Of course![br]- They don't know yet. 0:22:28.332,0:22:58.922 (The song 'Malen', Ken Zazpi) 0:23:03.017,0:23:09.657 - Will you tell us about the story of[br]the song 'Malen' by Ken Zazpi? 0:23:09.747,0:23:16.216 - It was written by my mum when she was pregnant[br]with me, and they named it after me. 0:23:16.306,0:23:17.776 - What is it about? 0:23:17.916,0:23:23.106 - About a trip to the prison, isn't it?[br]The trip, and then... 40 minutes. 0:23:35.136,0:23:39.296 - When I was a child, for example,[br]I didn't like the song. I was ashamed... 0:23:39.296,0:23:43.256 We used to go to see Ken Zazpi[br]life, on a concert... 0:23:43.300,0:23:47.500 And I'd hide myself, ashamed,[br]when they'd play that song, Malen. 0:23:47.500,0:23:53.104 Because they'd say, from the microphone[br]'Today Malen, the kid, is among us[br] 0:23:53.104,0:23:56.744 and this is for her blablabla...'[br]And I was so ashamed I'd hide. But now... 0:23:56.744,0:24:01.884 Now I like it[br]when they play it. 0:24:28.287,0:24:32.747 - The song says that the thick glass[br]won't take your smile away. 0:24:32.767,0:24:33.987 It hasn't taken yours. 0:24:34.003,0:24:38.563 - No, I don't know. You keep smiling, don't you? 0:24:46.510,0:24:50.558 Malen, 18 years old,[br]she hasn't met her father outside the prison. 0:24:50.558,0:24:54.998 He is in Almeria. He was in Jaen before.[br]So he is even farther now. 0:24:54.998,0:24:58.313 What are Malen's memories[br]from her childhood like? 0:24:59.043,0:25:04.103 - Do you have the feeling of having missed[br]the best years you could have had with your dad? 0:25:05.893,0:25:10.720 - The best moments I had with my dad[br]were in Jaen, and... 0:25:10.720,0:25:16.510 I played with him there, had our moments[br]on our visits, and all of them... 0:25:16.510,0:25:19.890 Those are my best memories.[br]At the end of the day... 0:25:19.890,0:25:24.260 They aren't like other children's:[br]'I've gone to the park with my daddy, 0:25:24.260,0:25:27.867 and it was the best day of my life!'[br]Well, mines are like... 0:25:28.027,0:25:33.221 Those years,[br]those years in Jaen. 0:25:33.221,0:25:35.451 They were tough years for him, but... 0:25:35.451,0:25:39.061 I have good memories[br]of those years, yes. 0:25:47.760,0:25:50.690 - I'm very good when I'm with him,[br]but when I have to leave... 0:25:50.690,0:25:53.978 Saying good bye is sad,[br]because you hug him and then 0:25:53.978,0:25:56.858 you don't see him in a month.[br]- I know, I know. 0:25:56.858,0:25:59.805 - It's like... nothing until January! 0:26:00.267,0:26:06.827 - Can you see any evolution in your personality,[br]your questions, your concerns...? 0:26:07.590,0:26:11.320 - Well, the older I get, the more[br]aware of the situation I am... 0:26:11.320,0:26:15.450 And about the reality, well... 0:26:15.780,0:26:17.570 I have more questions too: 0:26:17.570,0:26:22.810 Why do we have to be punished too? 0:26:23.120,0:26:29.100 Why are we forced to travel so many kilometres? 0:26:29.446,0:26:37.386 - Do you think some people want the dispersion policy[br]to be used against you too, as a part of the sanction of your dad? 0:26:38.177,0:26:43.517 - Yes, because he could serve his time[br]in Castellon or Cordoba (Spanish State), 0:26:43.797,0:26:47.985 or in Zaballa (in the Basque Country).[br]It's just revenge. 0:26:58.825,0:27:04.405 - To know that your relatives will spend[br]8 hours on the road and... 0:27:04.978,0:27:08.918 ...and then they have to go back for another 8 hours,[br]no matter the weather... 0:27:12.408,0:27:16.908 To know that they're doing[br]such a thing because of him... 0:27:16.978,0:27:22.488 That, that's a burden for the prisoner.[br]And to make us go through all that... 0:27:22.718,0:27:25.368 The only possible reason[br]is anger, rage. 0:27:25.528,0:27:28.598 A rage or anger[br]we don't necessarily have to feel. 0:27:30.679,0:27:32.999 - I am a bit... sleepy. 0:27:33.349,0:27:36.349 - Yes, are you? 0:27:38.719,0:27:41.029 - We'll have the family vis-à-vis at 10:30, 0:27:41.403,0:27:44.003 then the one behind the glass at 13:00, 0:27:44.003,0:27:48.909 and then you'll have the 4-hours-visit[br]with daddy and mummy in the afternoon. 0:27:49.109,0:27:53.589 - And the bus at 8pm.[br]- Yes, we'll be leaving at 8pm, 0:27:53.589,0:27:56.719 ...we'll get on the bus and back[br]to the Basque Country, yes. 0:27:57.019,0:27:58.977 - You're living 2 lifes at the same time,[br]aren't you? 0:27:58.977,0:28:02.457 Because there's your life here, and then 0:28:02.457,0:28:07.577 you've got your other life of[br]prison visits, road trips... 0:28:07.577,0:28:13.217 Everything, the whole month, conditioned by visits.[br]That's like having two lifes. 0:28:13.307,0:28:17.965 - The 'glass' is worse because... 0:28:17.965,0:28:21.813 - You can't touch mummy and daddy... 0:28:21.813,0:28:26.333 - But then, my mum works in the library,[br]she takes care of the library, 0:28:26.333,0:28:31.910 and then, they give here points if she[br]looks after the library for 3 months, 0:28:31.910,0:28:37.590 and she told me they'll give her an extra visit[br]if she works in the library for 3 months! 0:28:37.590,0:28:39.834 - Really? Jesus! 0:28:39.834,0:28:42.619 - Nerea...[br]- Yes, her friend Nerea... 0:28:42.619,0:28:47.161 - She was here the other day...[br]16 years since she last hugged mum, 0:28:47.161,0:28:50.256 ...because she used to come to the visits, but[br]just to the ones behind the glass.[br]- Very good![br] 0:28:50.256,0:28:54.536 - Yes, and after 15 years,[br]for example... Granddad Juanjo. 0:28:54.536,0:28:59.176 - Yes, yes.[br]- How long..? A lot! 0:28:59.176,0:29:02.889 - Yeah, with the glass...[br]- And uncle Loren. 0:29:02.889,0:29:06.049 - Yes, uncle Loren too.[br]Because he can't... 0:29:06.049,0:29:08.914 - Because they are people...[br]that don't come very often. 0:29:08.914,0:29:12.966 - Yes, and then of course,[br]they have to stay behind the glass. 0:29:12.966,0:29:18.126 All the friends...[br]Only the family can be with her. 0:29:18.126,0:29:19.552 Just close family. 0:29:20.572,0:29:22.996 - You visit your dad once a month,[br]in Castellon. 0:29:24.846,0:29:27.941 - Where do you go to visit daddy?[br]- To Murcia. 0:29:27.941,0:29:31.019 - To Murcia... That's far away, isn't it?[br]- Yes. 0:29:31.019,0:29:32.599 - How many hours (drive)?[br]- Eight. 0:29:32.719,0:29:35.789 Takes us 8 hours to get there,[br]and we go by car. 0:29:35.789,0:29:41.149 Play with the tablet, look at the sky,[br]and listen to some music. 0:29:41.149,0:29:43.688 I feel dizzy sometimes... 0:29:44.338,0:29:47.618 ...and I throw up.[br]- You get sick sometimes, don't you? 0:29:47.898,0:29:49.766 - And can Aiur go on trips too? 0:29:49.976,0:29:50.779 - Yes. 0:29:50.869,0:29:53.659 - You two are quite good,[br]aren't you? 0:29:53.839,0:29:54.359 - Yes. 0:29:54.499,0:29:59.069 - It was daddy who made that[br]for the birds. Did you know that? 0:29:59.339,0:30:03.949 - Yes. But they won't fit, because[br]daddy made a small hole... 0:30:03.949,0:30:05.789 - Well, of couse, it's not for vultures Aiur! 0:30:05.789,0:30:08.529 It's for wee birds,[br]like wrens and stuff. 0:30:08.529,0:30:09.509 - Wrens? 0:30:09.998,0:30:12.118 - Don't you know what a wren is? 0:30:12.118,0:30:14.378 - Yes, what granddad drinks... 0:30:15.918,0:30:18.363 - And... when you see your daddy... 0:30:18.363,0:30:20.833 after having crossed those 9 doors... 0:30:21.673,0:30:23.413 What do you do when you see him? 0:30:23.413,0:30:25.031 - I jump on him! 0:30:25.111,0:30:26.591 - When is your next visit? 0:30:26.591,0:30:28.044 - At the end of January. 0:30:28.044,0:30:31.514 - He is in the South of France, in Arles, 0:30:31.514,0:30:34.178 in a prison... in a prison for convicted people. 0:30:34.398,0:30:39.438 - Take a lot of food, take the bags,[br]and go. 0:30:39.928,0:30:41.364 - We have to prepare the bag... 0:30:41.364,0:30:45.174 ...with everything we're going to give him... 0:30:45.174,0:30:47.221 We always have to prepare that bag. 0:30:47.451,0:30:49.145 - But yeah, hopefully. 0:30:50.095,0:30:52.985 - Which concerns, what doubts do you have now? 0:30:55.289,0:31:01.149 - Well... doubts? I don't know. 0:31:03.842,0:31:06.102 - I mean, about the situation of your parents... 0:31:06.102,0:31:07.042 - Oh, yes, so... 0:31:07.042,0:31:10.812 I wonder how they spend their day, 0:31:11.799,0:31:14.719 what they do, what... 0:31:17.109,0:31:19.389 I wonder if they live well. 0:31:22.015,0:31:24.395 - Do you ask your grandparents about it? 0:31:24.989,0:31:26.059 - Sometimes... 0:31:26.089,0:31:27.329 - What do they tell you? 0:31:27.899,0:31:31.909 - They tell me the truth... always. 0:31:32.049,0:31:33.649 - What are your questions, Hize? 0:31:33.649,0:31:36.730 - Why daddy is in prison, concretely. 0:31:36.730,0:31:40.122 - Yes, she's been asking that[br]more and more specifically. 0:31:40.122,0:31:44.374 We used to give her more general answers,[br]but the older she gets, 0:31:44.374,0:31:47.344 the more details she wants to know, 0:31:47.344,0:31:52.604 and we give them to her.[br]I think you have to tell children the truth. 0:31:55.394,0:31:57.758 What does Hize's mum mean by 'telling the truth'? 0:31:57.990,0:32:00.370 Do these underage kids know... 0:32:00.483,0:32:04.033 ...what their parents did[br]before going to prison? 0:32:04.723,0:32:08.363 And if they know,[br]what do they think about it? 0:32:08.907,0:32:11.777 The aim of this program is not[br]to ask children about what 0:32:11.789,0:32:16.119 their parents did. The aim of [br]this program is to analyze this: 0:32:16.119,0:32:21.139 How the exceptional penitentiary policy[br]that is applied to their parents 0:32:21.139,0:32:23.389 affects this kids. 0:32:26.109,0:32:29.109 One of the consequences of this[br]penitentiary policy of exception is 0:32:29.109,0:32:31.140 that prisoners are kept far from their homeland: 0:32:31.140,0:32:36.154 54 prisoners are[br]between 100 and 390 kms away, 0:32:36.834,0:32:41.654 103 prisoners[br]between 400 and 690 kms away, 0:32:41.754,0:32:46.434 211 prisoners[br]between 700 and 1100 kms away. 0:32:47.194,0:32:52.094 The children we're interviewing today[br]have to travel all those kilometres twice... 0:32:52.094,0:32:57.193 - one way, to go to see their parents,[br]and then to return home. 0:32:57.193,0:33:01.383 We're talking about that[br]penitentiary policy of exception[br]in the program today. 0:33:01.383,0:33:05.321 What these children know about[br]what their parents did... 0:33:05.321,0:33:09.359 ...and what they think about it, 0:33:09.359,0:33:11.959 ...which would stay in their intimacy... 0:33:11.959,0:33:14.434 That would take another whole program. 0:33:14.494,0:33:22.206 - Your mum has told us that being 14 now,[br]well, you're growing up and you've started... 0:33:22.206,0:33:29.996 ...searching on the internet. What do you search?[br]What are your concerns now? 0:33:30.396,0:33:38.536 - Well, I saw when I was 11 or 12, and [br]it wasn't really something I needed, but... 0:33:38.536,0:33:48.629 ...I was curious, and I started searching... 0:33:48.629,0:33:53.829 ...without knowing what I could find.[br]- What did you search? 0:33:53.829,0:33:56.974 - Did you googled your father's name?[br]- Yes. 0:33:57.124,0:33:59.364 - And a sentence did come up...[br]...or an article? 0:33:59.964,0:34:06.205 - Yes, but a newspaper was saying[br]one thing and... 0:34:06.205,0:34:10.438 ...another one another thing, and well...[br]It was stuff about my dad. So I didn't... 0:34:10.438,0:34:14.200 I didn't know what to believe... 0:34:15.030,0:34:17.531 - What was your reaction? 0:34:22.361,0:34:27.201 - I didn't say anything, not a word, but[br]I did tell my mum after that, and... 0:34:27.201,0:34:32.245 Well, there are different versions[br]about it. 0:34:33.045,0:34:36.045 - And has your mother explained everything?[br]- Yes. 0:34:36.135,0:34:41.643 - Is there a question you repeat[br]among those you ask your mum? 0:34:42.183,0:34:44.967 - Yes, 'When is he coming back?' 0:34:48.167,0:34:55.608 - And? What's the answer for that question?[br]- I don't know. 'Soon'. That's what she says. 0:34:58.050,0:35:01.770 - What have they told you about the years[br]your dad has to spend in prison? 0:35:01.914,0:35:03.214 - So... 40 years. 0:35:05.524,0:35:07.354 - Wow, that's some time![br]- Yes. 0:35:09.154,0:35:15.164 - So?[br]- So... I don't know. 0:35:16.144,0:35:18.485 - Why so many years? 0:35:18.755,0:35:22.522 - Do your classmates, or your group of friends,[br]ask much about your father? 0:35:23.162,0:35:24.892 - They used to ask when we were younger, yes. 0:35:24.892,0:35:29.812 'Why is your daddy in prison?'[br]And I found it hard to answer... 0:35:29.812,0:35:33.022 ...because I didn't really know,[br]and they didn't neither... 0:35:33.022,0:35:36.712 We still just know what they tell us at home. 0:35:36.712,0:35:41.572 My mum used to tell me to tell them[br]they should ask it at home. 0:35:41.572,0:35:46.832 Because at the end of the day, they're[br]going to tell you in one way... 0:35:46.832,0:35:50.575 ...and my mum said she wasn't entitled[br]to tell other kids... 0:35:50.575,0:35:54.855 ...to talk about those things...[br]That it was better to speak about it at home, and then... 0:35:54.855,0:35:56.875 ...I used to tell my friends: 0:35:56.875,0:36:00.445 'I don't know, my mum says[br]you should ask your parents.' 0:36:00.445,0:36:05.285 I usually answered that and[br]at the end, well... 0:36:05.285,0:36:09.462 My friends stopped asking[br]at some stage, 0:36:09.462,0:36:13.252 so I guess they were told[br]something at home, and... 0:36:15.600,0:36:20.950 - I've also... To pass the time,[br]I've brought the tablet, 0:36:20.950,0:36:23.549 ...headphones for the music...[br]- Are they new? 0:36:23.549,0:36:25.609 - They're a present from granddad.[br]- Are they? Very good! 0:36:25.609,0:36:28.539 - And then my homework and a book.[br]- Very good. 0:36:28.539,0:36:35.199 - Yes, and I'll do my homework[br]on our way back on the bus, after seeing mum. 0:36:35.199,0:36:36.311 - Are you?[br]- Yes, yes... 0:36:36.311,0:36:39.741 - Well sure, they have to be done by Monday... 0:36:39.741,0:36:43.221 - Yes, that's it. I can't do them[br]on Monday morning... 0:36:43.221,0:36:44.831 - No, no, no, of course... 0:36:44.831,0:36:52.061 - What's the atmosphere like during the trips?[br]- Good atmosphere, happy... 0:36:52.061,0:36:56.731 ...and I laugh a lot somethimes.[br]- Do you? What about? 0:36:56.731,0:36:58.951 - With the bus drivers.[br]- Why? 0:36:58.951,0:37:06.810 - Because... They try to entertain me,[br]and they do entertain me. 0:37:08.300,0:37:11.988 - Are you one of the youngest ones?[br]- Yes. 0:37:13.678,0:37:15.230 (They sing together) 0:37:27.722,0:37:30.982 - We're getting the beds ready... 0:37:30.982,0:37:34.082 Garikoitz will sleep here,[br]this is for Maitetxu and that's for me. 0:37:34.119,0:37:36.129 And Larraitz. And that other one... 0:37:36.738,0:37:39.348 They get their beds ready before dinner. 0:37:39.578,0:37:44.978 We're having dinner now, and well...[br]We'll arrive later on and... until tomorrow. 0:37:48.038,0:37:49.778 - Jesus! 0:37:51.072,0:37:55.322 - And how is the trip going, Jare?[br]Good? 0:37:57.190,0:38:00.720 - You can't wait to see your daddy, can you?[br]- Yeah... 0:38:00.980,0:38:04.930 - She was in Larrabetzu today,[br]saying she wanted to see daddy. 0:38:05.930,0:38:08.990 - Oh, yeah?[br]- Tomorrow, tomorrow morning, soon. 0:38:10.690,0:38:12.790 - Will you see your daddy tomorrow morning?[br](She shakes her head 'no') 0:38:12.790,0:38:15.240 - When then?[br]- In the afternoon! 0:38:15.830,0:38:17.340 - Oh! 0:38:17.340,0:38:19.670 - Yes, because she'll come with me, won't she? 0:38:19.670,0:38:25.180 - Not tomorrow, because we have the relatives' visit.[br]You'll be in the long one, and we have the one in the small room. 0:38:25.398,0:38:30.878 - And then 'cohabitation', and glass,[br]in the morning and in the afternoon. 0:38:30.878,0:38:36.128 - But not the glass...[br]The glass isn't... 0:38:36.129,0:38:39.499 ...as nice as the relatives' visit.[br]- No, it's not. 0:38:39.499,0:38:42.939 You can't touch your mummy and daddy.[br]Yeah... That's why, isn't it? 0:38:43.599,0:38:47.209 - What do you prefer, Jare? 0:38:47.209,0:38:52.519 - Oh! To be with daddy![br]Yes, and to kiss daddy! 0:38:52.604,0:38:53.704 - Yes? 0:38:55.865,0:38:57.345 - Shall we open it? 0:38:58.217,0:39:02.147 - But Jare, talk like a 4-year-old kid.[br]Not like a wee baby. 0:39:02.164,0:39:05.564 - How old are you? 4?[br](She shows four fingers) 0:39:05.610,0:39:08.730 - Such a big girl![br]- But she's a bit unruly now... 0:39:08.730,0:39:11.720 ...and it seems...[br]- You must be tired... Of course. 0:39:11.903,0:39:15.633 - Jare gets angry sometimes, isn't she?[br]When she has to say good bye to daddy... 0:39:16.441,0:39:19.571 - Yeah?[br](She nods) 0:39:22.755,0:39:25.245 - She's messing around now... 0:39:31.132,0:39:35.102 - Well Gari, good bye darling.[br]See you tomorrow, ok? Good night. 0:40:50.299,0:40:54.219 Some of the relatives get off the bus in[br]El Puerto de Santamaria (Cadiz). 0:40:54.219,0:40:58.949 The rest have to keep traveling[br]110 kilometres more until Algeciras. 0:41:00.951,0:41:05.301 - Well, we'll be there soon![br]- I hope so... 0:41:05.301,0:41:09.301 ...because we started at 5pm yesterday,[br]and we're still here... 0:41:09.301,0:41:13.531 - Yes, yes...[br]- There are still one or two hours left... 0:41:13.531,0:41:16.201 - Yes, it's been 14 hours now... 0:41:17.455,0:41:20.255 - To have to drive 1,600 km[br]with two children, on the car... 0:41:21.095,0:41:25.065 ...and seeing the risk of having an accident...[br]You think it might be better to take a plane, 0:41:25.065,0:41:26.395 even if it's much more expensive... 0:41:28.292,0:41:31.922 Traffic accidents are, of course,[br]the most dangerous consequences of the dispersal policy. 0:41:31.922,0:41:35.585 It has caused dozens of deaths and injuries in recent years.[br] 0:41:35.585,0:41:38.795 Relatives also consider taking a plane... 0:41:38.795,0:41:41.075 but that's much more expensive. 0:41:42.415,0:41:46.795 - The thing is that they've changed the timetable[br]of the plane and... 0:41:46.795,0:41:50.105 ...it doesn't suit us anymore, does it? 0:41:50.105,0:41:56.525 - Yeah, and it used to be late sometimes,[br]and we couldn't get there on time. 0:41:56.525,0:41:59.625 - Yes, and what happens if you arrive a bit late? 0:42:00.444,0:42:02.864 - You can't get in. 0:42:03.285,0:42:07.871 - But well, sometimes we arrive on time and[br]we still get in late, don't we? 0:42:07.871,0:42:11.421 - Yes![br]- Because they open the doors late... 0:42:11.711,0:42:13.948 ...but well, that's how prison is, isn't it?[br]- Yes... 0:42:13.948,0:42:16.608 - We tell you that very often:[br]'That's how prison works.' 0:42:28.258,0:42:32.148 - Do you know that I once counted[br]all the doors we have to go through 0:42:32.148,0:42:35.428 before we get to see daddy? 0:42:43.976,0:42:47.976 - We go through a door, and then[br]we have to wait there, don't we? 0:42:47.976,0:42:48.711 - Yes! 0:42:48.711,0:42:51.641 - Then they open another door, we go through it,[br]and we have to wait again... 0:42:51.641,0:42:53.041 - And we do that nine times! 0:42:53.041,0:42:57.241 - Go through 9 doors,[br]and we have to wait a lot. 0:43:12.894,0:43:16.014 - What happens when you arrive to prison? 0:43:16.288,0:43:21.498 - We have to be there half an hour earlier,[br]and we have to show our IDs and the fingerprints... 0:43:21.498,0:43:29.278 We go through a door after that, and they search us[br]with a metal detector... A handheld detector. 0:43:29.368,0:43:34.098 And then, we get in and we have to wait[br]in another room, and we get in after that. 0:43:55.007,0:43:59.730 - The screws are there, aren't they?[br]Prison officers. 0:43:59.730,0:44:01.457 How is your relationship with them? 0:44:01.767,0:44:07.537 - Well... There are lots of them,[br]and each of them is a different person, you know? 0:44:08.277,0:44:13.457 They usually are quite respectful, even if[br]we've had some problems with some of them... 0:44:13.557,0:44:16.177 But they're usually respectful. 0:44:16.965,0:44:21.625 - When I was going through your homework,[br]last summer, I found... 0:44:21.625,0:44:25.845 ...very nice drawings, and very nice essays.[br]And you often said that thing... 0:44:25.845,0:44:28.865 'We've been with daddy at the weekend'[br]'It's been great...' 0:44:28.865,0:44:33.345 And there was a drawing... I thought[br]it was special. Do you remember it? 0:44:33.475,0:44:36.390 - Yes, it was an angry screw. 0:44:36.550,0:44:38.400 - How is the treatment you get from them? 0:44:39.150,0:44:44.880 - I don't know...[br]We don't have a relationship like... So... 0:44:44.940,0:44:53.850 They tell us 'Get in!' or 'Wait!' or...[br]'What do you have there?' 0:44:54.262,0:44:56.132 - And why was he angry? 0:44:56.132,0:44:59.092 With those big teeth...[br]- Yes. 0:44:59.092,0:45:02.706 - Why was he angry?[br]- They're always angry. 0:45:03.086,0:45:05.476 - Prison officers are always angry?[br]Do you think? 0:45:05.476,0:45:07.536 - Yes.[br]- Are they? Why do you think so? 0:45:07.536,0:45:10.686 - I don't know.[br]- Are they too serious? 0:45:10.766,0:45:11.646 - Yes.[br]- Yes? 0:45:12.406,0:45:14.816 - Do you feel they treat you well in prison? 0:45:14.965,0:45:20.845 - It depends on who... I do sometimes,[br]but they're too rough some other times. 0:45:59.397,0:46:04.464 - Do you prepare each visit, each hour[br]you spend with your dad? 0:46:04.667,0:46:09.257 - Well, each visit is different,[br]it has different things... 0:46:09.651,0:46:14.251 There's a funny thing about visits.[br]Each of them is special, and intense, but... 0:46:14.251,0:46:19.731 ...it's difficult to remember just one visit[br]as 'the special one'. 0:46:19.957,0:46:24.347 They all are special,[br]and you can't remember one as the best one. 0:46:35.192,0:46:38.422 - How would you describe a prison? 0:46:40.032,0:46:43.942 - Iron bars, walls, the sound of the doors... 0:46:43.942,0:46:48.612 ...and because my dad has always been in solitary confinment,[br]we have to go to that wing. 0:46:49.478,0:46:53.478 And it's very small, dark.[br]There's no daylight. 0:46:55.082,0:46:57.582 - Dirty and old. 0:46:57.858,0:46:59.318 - Cold and dark. 0:46:59.318,0:47:01.418 - Have you ever seen your dad's cell?[br]- No. 0:47:01.835,0:47:03.935 - Has he told you what it's like?[br]- No. 0:47:04.660,0:47:06.970 - Have you ever asked him?[br]- No. 0:47:07.005,0:47:08.865 - Why not?[br] 0:47:08.938,0:47:16.518 - Well... I'd rather spend the time we have[br]talking about other stuff. 0:48:12.309,0:48:18.059 - How is it when you see him?[br]- Since I was a child... 0:48:18.059,0:48:23.229 ...always, they open the door, and[br]I always run towards him, I still do... 0:48:23.229,0:48:25.629 ...and he takes me in his arms, always. 0:48:25.812,0:48:29.444 - Aiur and me jump on daddy... 0:48:29.444,0:48:32.634 ...and we play to a lot of things. 0:48:52.674,0:49:00.434 - The question people always ask is [br]how my dad is, and even though [br]I answered it so many times... 0:49:00.434,0:49:05.144 ...it's still the most difficult [br]question to answer. 0:49:31.999,0:49:38.049 - What would you say you need for that[br]hour and a half to be 'well spent'? 0:49:39.029,0:49:41.849 What do you need to think... 0:49:41.849,0:49:44.339 'it's been a well spent[br]an hour and a half'? 0:49:45.299,0:49:48.379 - To share love... 0:49:48.379,0:49:51.899 ...to enjoy it.[br]Well, sometimes it's necessary to have bad times too. 0:49:52.228,0:50:01.288 - Have you ever felt... Have you felt[br]the need to stay away... 0:50:01.288,0:50:05.186 ...from your dad and the trips, maybe? 0:50:05.636,0:50:08.356 - No, I've never felt that. 0:50:09.104,0:50:15.944 We all try to keep as close as we can 0:50:15.944,0:50:17.124 to the person who is inside. 0:50:27.140,0:50:31.240 - Then, at the end, a screw comes and says[br]'It's over!'... 0:50:31.940,0:50:35.940 - Yes, or 'Come on, finish' or 'Time to leave',[br]and that's when... 0:50:35.940,0:50:37.820 ...it's like a rage, anger... 0:50:37.841,0:50:40.441 - A prison officer, from a microphone. 0:50:40.441,0:50:44.661 - It's like when I was a child...[br]I want to stay with him. 0:50:45.091,0:50:49.951 - I hug him,[br]and start tidying everything up. 0:50:50.141,0:50:56.581 - And... that 'good bye' is never easy.[br]Even if we want to leave the prison, 0:50:56.651,0:50:59.661 ...we don't want the visit to end. 0:50:59.764,0:51:04.704 - Because I have to wait a whole month[br]to see my daddy again. 0:51:14.758,0:51:20.528 - The years go by and you don't see the end... 0:51:20.798,0:51:22.718 Don't you give up? 0:51:23.188,0:51:27.608 - No, you don't.[br]You always have to remain hopeful. 0:51:27.878,0:51:33.188 You don't rely on false hopes, but[br]you're always hopeful about... 0:51:33.188,0:51:39.088 'Let's see if they bring him closer' or[br]something, you know? 0:51:39.088,0:51:43.279 'Let's see if everything changes...'[br]I don't know... 0:51:43.279,0:51:48.849 You always have that... hope.[br]You have to remain hopeful. 0:51:48.849,0:51:53.119 If you lose it...[br]You don't have anything left. 0:52:12.309,0:52:15.619 - Can you think of a time[br]you visited your dad... 0:52:16.435,0:52:18.405 ...that you'll always remember? 0:52:22.006,0:52:25.006 - We went on his birthday, last year. 0:52:25.698,0:52:28.968 It was a week day,[br]I missed school... 0:52:28.968,0:52:30.578 ...I wanted to go on that day. 0:52:30.578,0:52:34.234 He writes a poem for me every year[br]for my birthday, so I...[br] 0:52:34.234,0:52:38.210 ...I wrote one for him. It was nice.[br]- Do you remember the poem? 0:52:38.210,0:52:40.750 - Yes.[br]- Would you sing it? 0:52:43.964,0:52:50.324 - Years have gone by,[br]some time now, 0:52:51.176,0:52:57.694 and our love is what[br]drives us every day. 0:52:58.144,0:53:04.328 Being far away[br]still strenghts the relationship. 0:53:05.028,0:53:11.688 They won't see us sad,[br]we'll always sing happily, 0:53:12.131,0:53:19.351 because we don't care if[br]they're 40 years, or 102. 0:53:19.624,0:53:26.554 because we don't care if[br]they're 40 years, or 102. 0:53:55.640,0:54:01.970 - I want to get my driving license,[br]because I can't take the bus for years, 0:54:01.970,0:54:06.360 ...and I'd like to go by myself.[br]I think it could be nice. 0:54:06.360,0:54:09.340 And on my arrival, I'd say to my mum and dad: 0:54:09.340,0:54:14.780 'This has been my first trip on my own!'[br]That's why I'm excited about it. 0:54:15.282,0:54:19.282 - To get your driving license, then?[br]- Yes.