1 00:00:00,782 --> 00:00:02,687 Imagine you're in Rome, 2 00:00:02,711 --> 00:00:05,914 and you've made your way to the Vatican Museums. 3 00:00:06,301 --> 00:00:09,544 And you've been shuffling down long corridors, 4 00:00:09,568 --> 00:00:14,008 past statues, frescoes, lots and lots of stuff. 5 00:00:14,380 --> 00:00:16,725 You're heading towards the Sistine Chapel. 6 00:00:16,749 --> 00:00:22,125 At last -- a long corridor, a stair and a door. 7 00:00:22,149 --> 00:00:25,147 You're at the threshold of the Sistine Chapel. 8 00:00:25,171 --> 00:00:26,935 So what are you expecting? 9 00:00:26,959 --> 00:00:29,483 Soaring domes? Choirs of angels? 10 00:00:29,507 --> 00:00:31,665 We don't really have any of that there. 11 00:00:32,109 --> 00:00:35,998 Instead, you may ask yourself, what do we have? 12 00:00:36,022 --> 00:00:38,646 Well, curtains up on the Sistine Chapel. 13 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:41,625 And I mean literally, you're surrounded by painted curtains, 14 00:00:41,649 --> 00:00:44,064 the original decoration of this chapel. 15 00:00:44,088 --> 00:00:48,632 Churches used tapestries not just to keep out cold during long masses, 16 00:00:48,656 --> 00:00:52,111 but as a way to represent the great theater of life. 17 00:00:52,631 --> 00:00:57,762 The human drama in which each one of us plays a part is a great story, 18 00:00:57,786 --> 00:01:00,595 a story that encompasses the whole world 19 00:01:00,619 --> 00:01:03,684 and that came to unfold in the three stages 20 00:01:03,708 --> 00:01:05,950 of the painting in the Sistine Chapel. 21 00:01:06,382 --> 00:01:09,743 Now, this building started out as a space for a small group 22 00:01:09,767 --> 00:01:12,109 of wealthy, educated Christian priests. 23 00:01:12,528 --> 00:01:15,205 They prayed there. They elected their pope there. 24 00:01:15,229 --> 00:01:16,381 Five hundred years ago, 25 00:01:16,405 --> 00:01:18,912 it was the ultimate ecclesiastical man cave. 26 00:01:19,548 --> 00:01:25,419 So, you may ask, how can it be that today it attracts and delights 27 00:01:25,443 --> 00:01:28,109 five million people a year, 28 00:01:28,133 --> 00:01:30,372 from all different backgrounds? 29 00:01:30,396 --> 00:01:34,932 Because in that compressed space, there was a creative explosion, 30 00:01:34,956 --> 00:01:39,788 ignited by the electric excitement of new geopolitical frontiers, 31 00:01:39,812 --> 00:01:44,107 which set on fire the ancient missionary tradition of the Church 32 00:01:44,131 --> 00:01:47,409 and produced one of the greatest works of art in history. 33 00:01:48,064 --> 00:01:52,578 Now, this development took place as a great evolution, 34 00:01:52,602 --> 00:01:55,337 moving from the beginning of a few elite, 35 00:01:55,361 --> 00:01:58,792 and eventually able to speak to audiences of people 36 00:01:58,816 --> 00:02:00,838 that come from all over the world. 37 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:03,976 This evolution took place in three stages, 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,111 each one linked to a historical circumstance. 39 00:02:07,135 --> 00:02:09,166 The first one was rather limited in scope. 40 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:11,723 It reflected the rather parochial perspective. 41 00:02:12,096 --> 00:02:16,350 The second one took place after worldviews were dramatically altered 42 00:02:16,374 --> 00:02:19,065 after Columbus's historical voyage; 43 00:02:19,089 --> 00:02:20,496 and the third, 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,496 when the Age of Discovery was well under way 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,029 and the Church rose to the challenge 46 00:02:26,053 --> 00:02:27,456 of going global. 47 00:02:28,330 --> 00:02:32,342 The original decoration of this church reflected a smaller world. 48 00:02:32,366 --> 00:02:33,680 There were busy scenes 49 00:02:33,704 --> 00:02:37,561 that told the stories of the lives of Jesus and Moses, 50 00:02:37,585 --> 00:02:41,622 reflecting the development of the Jewish and Christian people. 51 00:02:41,646 --> 00:02:43,983 The man who commissioned this, Pope Sixtus IV, 52 00:02:44,007 --> 00:02:47,326 assembled a dream team of Florentine art, 53 00:02:47,350 --> 00:02:50,249 including men like Sandro Botticelli 54 00:02:50,273 --> 00:02:53,850 and the man who would become Michelangelo's future painting teacher, 55 00:02:53,874 --> 00:02:55,412 Ghirlandaio. 56 00:02:55,436 --> 00:03:00,781 These men, they blanketed the walls with a frieze of pure color, 57 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:04,106 and in these stories you'll notice familiar landscapes, 58 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:07,996 the artists using Roman monuments or a Tuscan landscape 59 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:11,448 to render a faraway story, something much more familiar. 60 00:03:11,472 --> 00:03:15,117 With the addition of images of the Pope's friends and family, 61 00:03:15,141 --> 00:03:17,974 this was a perfect decoration for a small court 62 00:03:17,998 --> 00:03:19,767 limited to the European continent. 63 00:03:20,244 --> 00:03:25,114 But in 1492, the New World was discovered, 64 00:03:25,138 --> 00:03:27,082 horizons were expanding, 65 00:03:27,106 --> 00:03:33,462 and this little 133 by 46-foot microcosm had to expand as well. 66 00:03:33,486 --> 00:03:34,806 And it did, 67 00:03:34,830 --> 00:03:36,782 thanks to a creative genius, 68 00:03:36,806 --> 00:03:39,623 a visionary and an awesome story. 69 00:03:40,208 --> 00:03:42,757 Now, the creative genius was Michelangelo Buonarroti, 70 00:03:42,781 --> 00:03:47,171 33 years old when he was tapped to decorate 12,000 square feet of ceiling, 71 00:03:47,195 --> 00:03:49,076 and the deck was stacked against him -- 72 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:51,996 he had trained in painting but had left to pursue sculpture. 73 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:55,478 There were angry patrons in Florence because he had left a stack 74 00:03:55,502 --> 00:03:57,176 of incomplete commissions, 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,863 lured to Rome by the prospect of a great sculptural project, 76 00:04:00,887 --> 00:04:03,468 and that project had fallen through. 77 00:04:03,492 --> 00:04:06,621 And he had been left with a commission to paint 12 apostles 78 00:04:06,645 --> 00:04:09,566 against a decorative background in the Sistine Chapel ceiling, 79 00:04:09,590 --> 00:04:13,128 which would look like every other ceiling in Italy. 80 00:04:13,615 --> 00:04:15,446 But genius rose to the challenge. 81 00:04:15,470 --> 00:04:18,968 In an age when a man dared to sail across the Atlantic Ocean, 82 00:04:18,992 --> 00:04:22,520 Michelangelo dared to chart new artistic waters. 83 00:04:23,027 --> 00:04:25,263 He, too, would tell a story -- 84 00:04:25,287 --> 00:04:28,819 no Apostles -- but a story of great beginnings, 85 00:04:28,843 --> 00:04:30,515 the story of Genesis. 86 00:04:31,087 --> 00:04:34,018 Not really an easy sell, stories on a ceiling. 87 00:04:34,042 --> 00:04:38,850 How would you be able to read a busy scene from 62 feet below? 88 00:04:38,874 --> 00:04:41,729 The painting technique that had been handed on for 200 years 89 00:04:41,753 --> 00:04:45,067 in Florentine studios was not equipped for this kind of a narrative. 90 00:04:45,694 --> 00:04:48,662 But Michelangelo wasn't really a painter, 91 00:04:48,686 --> 00:04:50,970 and so he played to his strengths. 92 00:04:50,994 --> 00:04:54,476 Instead of being accustomed to filling space with busyness, 93 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,299 he took a hammer and chisel and hacked away at a piece of marble 94 00:04:58,323 --> 00:05:00,753 to reveal the figure within. 95 00:05:00,777 --> 00:05:02,945 Michelangelo was an essentialist; 96 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:07,355 he would tell his story in massive, dynamic bodies. 97 00:05:07,379 --> 00:05:12,146 This plan was embraced by the larger-than-life Pope Julius II, 98 00:05:12,170 --> 00:05:15,791 a man who was unafraid of Michelangelo's brazen genius. 99 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:17,697 He was nephew to Pope Sixtus IV, 100 00:05:17,721 --> 00:05:21,828 and he had been steeped in art for 30 years and he knew its power. 101 00:05:21,852 --> 00:05:24,916 And history has handed down the moniker of the Warrior Pope, 102 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,730 but this man's legacy to the Vatican -- it wasn't fortresses and artillery, 103 00:05:28,754 --> 00:05:30,070 it was art. 104 00:05:30,094 --> 00:05:32,673 He left us the Raphael Rooms, the Sistine Chapel. 105 00:05:32,697 --> 00:05:34,342 He left St. Peter's Basilica 106 00:05:34,366 --> 00:05:40,069 as well as an extraordinary collection of Greco-Roman sculptures -- 107 00:05:40,093 --> 00:05:44,233 decidedly un-Christian works that would become the seedbed 108 00:05:44,257 --> 00:05:48,142 of the world's first modern museum, the Vatican Museums. 109 00:05:48,847 --> 00:05:50,271 Julius was a man 110 00:05:50,295 --> 00:05:54,079 who envisioned a Vatican that would be eternally relevant 111 00:05:54,103 --> 00:05:56,192 through grandeur and through beauty, 112 00:05:56,216 --> 00:05:57,588 and he was right. 113 00:05:57,612 --> 00:06:02,600 The encounter between these two giants, Michelangelo and Julius II, 114 00:06:02,624 --> 00:06:05,061 that's what gave us the Sistine Chapel. 115 00:06:05,641 --> 00:06:08,428 Michelangelo was so committed to this project, 116 00:06:08,452 --> 00:06:12,835 that he succeeded in getting the job done in three and a half years, 117 00:06:12,859 --> 00:06:17,128 using a skeleton crew and spending most of the time, hours on end, 118 00:06:17,152 --> 00:06:20,843 reaching up above his head to paint the stories on the ceiling. 119 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:23,474 So let's look at this ceiling 120 00:06:23,498 --> 00:06:26,329 and see storytelling gone global. 121 00:06:26,353 --> 00:06:30,765 No more familiar artistic references to the world around you. 122 00:06:30,789 --> 00:06:35,432 There's just space and structure and energy; 123 00:06:35,456 --> 00:06:40,053 a monumental painted framework which opens onto nine panels, 124 00:06:40,077 --> 00:06:44,010 more driven by sculptural form than painterly color. 125 00:06:44,034 --> 00:06:47,811 And we stand in the far end by the entrance, 126 00:06:47,835 --> 00:06:51,941 far from the altar and from the gated enclosure intended for the clergy 127 00:06:51,965 --> 00:06:57,212 and we peer into the distance, looking for a beginning. 128 00:06:57,236 --> 00:07:01,252 And whether in scientific inquiry or in biblical tradition, 129 00:07:01,276 --> 00:07:04,596 we think in terms of a primal spark. 130 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:06,753 Michelangelo gave us an initial energy 131 00:07:06,777 --> 00:07:09,518 when he gave us the separation of light and dark, 132 00:07:09,542 --> 00:07:12,931 a churning figure blurry in the distance, 133 00:07:12,955 --> 00:07:15,439 compressed into a tight space. 134 00:07:15,463 --> 00:07:17,792 The next figure looms larger, 135 00:07:17,816 --> 00:07:21,243 and you see a figure hurtling from one side to the next. 136 00:07:21,267 --> 00:07:26,253 He leaves in his wake the sun, the moon, vegetation. 137 00:07:26,277 --> 00:07:30,284 Michelangelo didn't focus on the stuff that was being created, 138 00:07:30,308 --> 00:07:32,352 unlike all the other artists. 139 00:07:32,376 --> 00:07:35,719 He focused on the act of creation. 140 00:07:35,743 --> 00:07:40,117 And then the movement stops, like a caesura in poetry 141 00:07:40,141 --> 00:07:41,393 and the creator hovers. 142 00:07:41,417 --> 00:07:42,696 So what's he doing? 143 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,575 Is he creating land? Is he creating sea? 144 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:50,290 Or is he looking back over his handiwork, the universe and his treasures, 145 00:07:50,314 --> 00:07:52,045 just like Michelangelo must have, 146 00:07:52,069 --> 00:07:54,666 looking back over his work in the ceiling 147 00:07:54,690 --> 00:07:57,484 and proclaiming, "It is good." 148 00:07:58,388 --> 00:08:00,493 So now the scene is set, 149 00:08:00,517 --> 00:08:04,195 and you get to the culmination of creation, which is man. 150 00:08:04,219 --> 00:08:08,549 Adam leaps to the eye, a light figure against a dark background. 151 00:08:08,573 --> 00:08:10,331 But looking closer, 152 00:08:10,355 --> 00:08:13,007 that leg is pretty languid on the ground, 153 00:08:13,031 --> 00:08:15,321 the arm is heavy on the knee. 154 00:08:15,345 --> 00:08:19,022 Adam lacks that interior spark 155 00:08:19,046 --> 00:08:21,334 that will impel him to greatness. 156 00:08:21,358 --> 00:08:26,123 That spark is about to be conferred by the creator in that finger, 157 00:08:26,147 --> 00:08:28,818 which is one millimeter from the hand of Adam. 158 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:30,787 It puts us at the edge of our seats, 159 00:08:30,811 --> 00:08:33,826 because we're one moment from that contact, 160 00:08:33,850 --> 00:08:36,751 through which that man will discover his purpose, 161 00:08:36,775 --> 00:08:39,759 leap up and take his place at the pinnacle of creation. 162 00:08:39,783 --> 00:08:43,044 And then Michelangelo threw a curveball. 163 00:08:43,068 --> 00:08:44,896 Who is in that other arm? 164 00:08:45,531 --> 00:08:47,227 Eve, first woman. 165 00:08:47,251 --> 00:08:50,160 No, she's not an afterthought. She's part of the plan. 166 00:08:50,184 --> 00:08:52,657 She's always been in his mind. 167 00:08:52,681 --> 00:08:56,886 Look at her, so intimate with God that her hand curls around his arm. 168 00:08:57,329 --> 00:09:02,737 And for me, an American art historian from the 21st century, 169 00:09:02,761 --> 00:09:05,613 this was the moment that the painting spoke to me. 170 00:09:05,637 --> 00:09:08,985 Because I realized that this representation of the human drama 171 00:09:09,009 --> 00:09:11,922 was always about men and women -- 172 00:09:11,946 --> 00:09:15,736 so much so, that the dead center, the heart of the ceiling, 173 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,174 is the creation of woman, not Adam. 174 00:09:18,198 --> 00:09:22,122 And the fact is, that when you see them together in the Garden of Eden, 175 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:23,683 they fall together 176 00:09:23,707 --> 00:09:28,099 and together their proud posture turns into folded shame. 177 00:09:28,647 --> 00:09:31,316 You are at critical juncture now in the ceiling. 178 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:34,423 You are exactly at the point where you and I can go 179 00:09:34,447 --> 00:09:35,902 no further into the church. 180 00:09:35,926 --> 00:09:39,282 The gated enclosure keeps us out of the inner sanctum, 181 00:09:39,306 --> 00:09:41,819 and we are cast out much like Adam and Eve. 182 00:09:41,843 --> 00:09:43,599 The remaining scenes in the ceiling, 183 00:09:43,623 --> 00:09:46,467 they mirror the crowded chaos of the world around us. 184 00:09:46,491 --> 00:09:48,715 You have Noah and his Ark and the flood. 185 00:09:48,739 --> 00:09:52,329 You have Noah. He's making a sacrifice and a covenant with God. 186 00:09:52,353 --> 00:09:53,639 Maybe he's the savior. 187 00:09:54,031 --> 00:09:57,763 Oh, but no, Noah is the one who grew grapes, invented wine, 188 00:09:57,787 --> 00:09:59,945 got drunk and passed out naked in his barn. 189 00:10:00,385 --> 00:10:02,759 It is a curious way to design the ceiling, 190 00:10:02,783 --> 00:10:04,707 now starting out with God creating life, 191 00:10:04,731 --> 00:10:07,226 ending up with some guy blind drunk in a barn. 192 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:09,706 And so, compared with Adam, 193 00:10:09,730 --> 00:10:12,248 you might think Michelangelo is making fun of us. 194 00:10:12,693 --> 00:10:14,736 But he's about to dispel the gloom 195 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,278 by using those bright colors right underneath Noah: 196 00:10:18,302 --> 00:10:21,692 emerald, topaz, scarlet on the prophet Zechariah. 197 00:10:21,716 --> 00:10:24,695 Zechariah foresees a light coming from the east, 198 00:10:24,719 --> 00:10:28,407 and we are turned at this juncture to a new destination, 199 00:10:28,431 --> 00:10:32,306 with sibyls and prophets who will lead us on a parade. 200 00:10:32,330 --> 00:10:35,628 You have the heroes and heroines who make safe the way, 201 00:10:35,652 --> 00:10:38,136 and we follow the mothers and fathers. 202 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,245 They are the motors of this great human engine, driving it forward. 203 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:45,176 And now we're at the keystone of the ceiling, 204 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,379 the culmination of the whole thing, 205 00:10:47,403 --> 00:10:50,633 with a figure that looks like he's about to fall out of his space 206 00:10:50,657 --> 00:10:51,997 into our space, 207 00:10:52,021 --> 00:10:53,304 encroaching our space. 208 00:10:53,328 --> 00:10:55,869 This is the most important juncture. 209 00:10:55,893 --> 00:10:57,765 Past meets present. 210 00:10:57,789 --> 00:11:01,005 This figure, Jonah, who spent three days in the belly of the whale, 211 00:11:01,029 --> 00:11:03,882 for the Christians, is the symbol of the renewal of humanity 212 00:11:03,906 --> 00:11:05,169 through Jesus' sacrifice, 213 00:11:05,193 --> 00:11:07,941 but for the multitudes of visitors to that museum 214 00:11:07,965 --> 00:11:10,735 from all faiths who visit there every day, 215 00:11:10,759 --> 00:11:17,345 he is the moment the distant past encounters and meets immediate reality. 216 00:11:18,091 --> 00:11:22,684 All of this brings us to the yawning archway of the altar wall, 217 00:11:22,708 --> 00:11:25,471 where we see Michelangelo's Last Judgment, 218 00:11:25,495 --> 00:11:29,361 painted in 1534 after the world had changed again. 219 00:11:29,385 --> 00:11:31,409 The Reformation had splintered the Church, 220 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:34,301 the Ottoman Empire had made Islam a household word 221 00:11:34,325 --> 00:11:37,819 and Magellan had found a route into the Pacific Ocean. 222 00:11:37,843 --> 00:11:42,505 How is a 59-year-old artist who has never been any further than Venice 223 00:11:42,529 --> 00:11:44,723 going to speak to this new world? 224 00:11:44,747 --> 00:11:47,790 Michelangelo chose to paint destiny, 225 00:11:47,814 --> 00:11:49,634 that universal desire, 226 00:11:49,658 --> 00:11:51,278 common to all of us, 227 00:11:51,302 --> 00:11:54,471 to leave a legacy of excellence. 228 00:11:54,495 --> 00:11:57,426 Told in terms of the Christian vision of the Last Judgment, 229 00:11:57,450 --> 00:11:58,762 the end of the world, 230 00:11:58,786 --> 00:12:01,924 Michelangelo gave you a series of figures 231 00:12:01,948 --> 00:12:05,103 who are wearing these strikingly beautiful bodies. 232 00:12:05,127 --> 00:12:07,849 They have no more covers, no more portraits 233 00:12:07,873 --> 00:12:09,110 except for a couple. 234 00:12:09,134 --> 00:12:11,852 It's a composition only out of bodies, 235 00:12:11,876 --> 00:12:15,262 391, no two alike, 236 00:12:15,286 --> 00:12:17,740 unique like each and every one of us. 237 00:12:17,764 --> 00:12:21,506 They start in the lower corner, breaking away from the ground, 238 00:12:21,530 --> 00:12:24,252 struggling and trying to rise. 239 00:12:24,276 --> 00:12:26,732 Those who have risen reach back to help others, 240 00:12:26,756 --> 00:12:28,593 and in one amazing vignette, 241 00:12:28,617 --> 00:12:31,709 you have a black man and a white man pulled up together 242 00:12:31,733 --> 00:12:34,455 in an incredible vision of human unity 243 00:12:34,479 --> 00:12:35,921 in this new world. 244 00:12:35,945 --> 00:12:39,452 The lion's share of the space goes to the winner's circle. 245 00:12:39,476 --> 00:12:44,312 There you find men and women completely nude like athletes. 246 00:12:44,336 --> 00:12:46,648 They are the ones who have overcome adversity, 247 00:12:46,672 --> 00:12:50,386 and Michelangelo's vision of people who combat adversity, 248 00:12:50,410 --> 00:12:51,684 overcome obstacles -- 249 00:12:51,708 --> 00:12:53,602 they're just like athletes. 250 00:12:53,626 --> 00:12:57,055 So you have men and women flexing and posing 251 00:12:57,079 --> 00:12:59,163 in this extraordinary spotlight. 252 00:12:59,555 --> 00:13:02,100 Presiding over this assembly is Jesus, 253 00:13:02,124 --> 00:13:04,142 first a suffering man on the cross, 254 00:13:04,166 --> 00:13:06,570 now a glorious ruler in Heaven. 255 00:13:06,594 --> 00:13:09,612 And as Michelangelo proved in his painting, 256 00:13:09,636 --> 00:13:12,214 hardship, setbacks and obstacles, 257 00:13:12,238 --> 00:13:15,472 they don't limit excellence, they forge it. 258 00:13:16,276 --> 00:13:18,864 Now, this does lead us to one odd thing. 259 00:13:18,888 --> 00:13:20,705 This is the Pope's private chapel, 260 00:13:20,729 --> 00:13:23,886 and the best way you can describe that is indeed a stew of nudes. 261 00:13:23,910 --> 00:13:27,673 But Michelangelo was trying to use only the best artistic language, 262 00:13:27,697 --> 00:13:30,285 the most universal artistic language he could think of: 263 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:32,069 that of the human body. 264 00:13:32,093 --> 00:13:37,899 And so instead of the way of showing virtue such as fortitude or self-mastery, 265 00:13:37,923 --> 00:13:42,188 he borrowed from Julius II's wonderful collection of sculptures 266 00:13:42,212 --> 00:13:46,463 in order to show inner strength as external power. 267 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:50,733 Now, one contemporary did write 268 00:13:50,757 --> 00:13:54,615 that the chapel was too beautiful to not cause controversy. 269 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:55,988 And so it did. 270 00:13:56,012 --> 00:13:59,550 Michelangelo soon found that thanks to the printing press, 271 00:13:59,574 --> 00:14:02,696 complaints about the nudity spread all over the place, 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,016 and soon his masterpiece of human drama was labeled pornography, 273 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,215 at which point he added two more portraits, 274 00:14:09,239 --> 00:14:11,723 one of the man who criticized him, a papal courtier, 275 00:14:11,747 --> 00:14:15,879 and the other one of himself as a dried up husk, no athlete, 276 00:14:15,903 --> 00:14:18,324 in the hands of a long-suffering martyr. 277 00:14:18,348 --> 00:14:22,016 The year he died he saw several of these figures covered over, 278 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:27,659 a triumph for trivial distractions over his great exhortation to glory. 279 00:14:28,167 --> 00:14:29,931 And so now we stand 280 00:14:29,955 --> 00:14:31,685 in the here and now. 281 00:14:31,709 --> 00:14:34,029 We are caught in that space 282 00:14:34,053 --> 00:14:36,318 between beginnings and endings, 283 00:14:36,342 --> 00:14:40,574 in the great, huge totality of the human experience. 284 00:14:40,598 --> 00:14:44,569 The Sistine Chapel forces us to look around as if it were a mirror. 285 00:14:44,593 --> 00:14:45,890 Who am I in this picture? 286 00:14:45,914 --> 00:14:47,220 Am I one of the crowd? 287 00:14:47,244 --> 00:14:48,617 Am I the drunk guy? 288 00:14:48,641 --> 00:14:50,097 Am I the athlete? 289 00:14:50,121 --> 00:14:52,381 And as we leave this haven of uplifting beauty, 290 00:14:52,405 --> 00:14:56,349 we are inspired to ask ourselves life's biggest questions: 291 00:14:56,373 --> 00:15:01,211 Who am I, and what role do I play in this great theater of life? 292 00:15:01,549 --> 00:15:02,720 Thank you. 293 00:15:02,744 --> 00:15:06,192 (Applause) 294 00:15:06,216 --> 00:15:09,187 Bruno Giussani: Elizabeth Lev, thank you. 295 00:15:09,211 --> 00:15:13,067 Elizabeth, you mentioned this whole issue of pornography, 296 00:15:13,091 --> 00:15:17,904 too many nudes and too many daily life scenes and improper things 297 00:15:18,555 --> 00:15:20,420 in the eyes of the time. 298 00:15:20,444 --> 00:15:22,050 But actually the story is bigger. 299 00:15:22,074 --> 00:15:25,094 It's not just touching up and covering up some of the figures. 300 00:15:25,118 --> 00:15:27,742 This work of art was almost destroyed because of that. 301 00:15:28,383 --> 00:15:31,408 Elizabeth Lev: The effect of the Last Judgment was enormous. 302 00:15:31,432 --> 00:15:34,382 The printing press made sure that everybody saw it. 303 00:15:34,406 --> 00:15:37,691 And so, this wasn't something that happened within a couple of weeks. 304 00:15:37,715 --> 00:15:42,183 It was something that happened over the space of 20 years 305 00:15:42,207 --> 00:15:44,131 of editorials and complaints, 306 00:15:44,155 --> 00:15:45,323 saying to the Church, 307 00:15:45,347 --> 00:15:47,922 "You can't possibly tell us how to live our lives. 308 00:15:47,946 --> 00:15:51,286 Did you notice you have pornography in the Pope's chapel?" 309 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:53,770 And so after complaints and insistence 310 00:15:53,794 --> 00:15:56,510 of trying to get this work destroyed, 311 00:15:56,534 --> 00:15:58,695 it was finally the year that Michelangelo died 312 00:15:58,719 --> 00:16:00,800 that the Church finally found a compromise, 313 00:16:00,824 --> 00:16:02,355 a way to save the painting, 314 00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:05,696 and that was in putting up these extra 30 covers, 315 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,467 and that happens to be the origin of fig-leafing. 316 00:16:08,491 --> 00:16:10,079 That's where it all came about, 317 00:16:10,103 --> 00:16:14,233 and it came about from a church that was trying to save a work of art, 318 00:16:14,257 --> 00:16:16,428 not indeed deface or destroyed it. 319 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:19,675 BG: This, what you just gave us, is not the classic tour 320 00:16:19,699 --> 00:16:22,673 that people get today when they go to the Sistine Chapel. 321 00:16:22,697 --> 00:16:24,800 (Laughter) 322 00:16:24,824 --> 00:16:26,605 EL: I don't know, is that an ad? 323 00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:28,306 (Laughter) 324 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:31,318 BG: No, no, no, not necessarily, it is a statement. 325 00:16:31,342 --> 00:16:35,256 The experience of art today is encountering problems. 326 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,155 Too many people want to see this there, 327 00:16:38,179 --> 00:16:41,306 and the result is five million people going through that tiny door 328 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:43,647 and experiencing it in a completely different way 329 00:16:43,671 --> 00:16:44,837 than we just did. 330 00:16:44,861 --> 00:16:48,390 EL: Right. I agree. I think it's really nice to be able to pause and look. 331 00:16:48,414 --> 00:16:50,715 But also realize, even when you're in those days, 332 00:16:50,739 --> 00:16:52,751 with 28,000 people a day, 333 00:16:52,775 --> 00:16:55,885 even those days when you're in there with all those other people, 334 00:16:55,909 --> 00:16:58,314 look around you and think how amazing it is 335 00:16:58,338 --> 00:17:01,934 that some painted plaster from 500 years ago 336 00:17:01,958 --> 00:17:05,066 can still draw all those people standing side by side with you, 337 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:07,065 looking upwards with their jaws dropped. 338 00:17:07,089 --> 00:17:12,014 It's a great statement about how beauty truly can speak to us all 339 00:17:12,038 --> 00:17:14,725 through time and through geographic space. 340 00:17:14,749 --> 00:17:15,943 BG: Liz, grazie. 341 00:17:15,967 --> 00:17:17,174 EL: Grazie a te. 342 00:17:17,198 --> 00:17:18,374 BG: Thank you. 343 00:17:18,398 --> 00:17:20,261 (Applause)