WEBVTT 00:00:00.782 --> 00:00:02.687 Imagine you're in Rome, 00:00:02.711 --> 00:00:05.914 and you've made your way to the Vatican Museums. 00:00:06.301 --> 00:00:09.544 And you've been shuffling down long corridors, 00:00:09.568 --> 00:00:14.008 past statues, frescoes, lots and lots of stuff. 00:00:14.380 --> 00:00:16.725 You're heading towards the Sistine Chapel. 00:00:16.749 --> 00:00:22.125 At last -- a long corridor, a stair and a door. 00:00:22.149 --> 00:00:25.147 You're at the threshold of the Sistine Chapel. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:25.171 --> 00:00:26.935 So what are you expecting? 00:00:26.959 --> 00:00:29.483 Soaring domes? Choirs of angels? 00:00:29.507 --> 00:00:31.665 We don't really have any of that there. 00:00:32.109 --> 00:00:35.998 Instead, you may ask yourself, what do we have? NOTE Paragraph 00:00:36.022 --> 00:00:38.646 Well, curtains up on the Sistine Chapel. 00:00:38.670 --> 00:00:41.625 And I mean literally, you're surrounded by painted curtains, 00:00:41.649 --> 00:00:44.064 the original decoration of this chapel. 00:00:44.088 --> 00:00:48.632 Churches used tapestries not just to keep out cold during long masses, 00:00:48.656 --> 00:00:52.111 but as a way to represent the great theater of life. 00:00:52.631 --> 00:00:57.762 The human drama in which each one of us plays a part is a great story, 00:00:57.786 --> 00:01:00.595 a story that encompasses the whole world, 00:01:00.619 --> 00:01:03.684 and that came to unfold in the three stages 00:01:03.708 --> 00:01:05.950 of the painting in the Sistine Chapel. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:06.382 --> 00:01:09.743 Now, this building started out as a space for a small group 00:01:09.767 --> 00:01:12.109 of wealthy, educated Christian priests. 00:01:12.528 --> 00:01:15.205 They prayed there. They elected their pope there. 00:01:15.229 --> 00:01:16.381 Five hundred years ago, 00:01:16.405 --> 00:01:18.912 it was the ultimate ecclesiastical man cave. 00:01:19.548 --> 00:01:25.419 So, you may ask, how can it be that today it attracts and delights 00:01:25.443 --> 00:01:28.109 five million people a year, 00:01:28.133 --> 00:01:30.372 from all different backgrounds? 00:01:30.396 --> 00:01:34.932 Because in that compressed space, there was a creative explosion, 00:01:34.956 --> 00:01:39.788 ignited by the electric excitement of new geopolitical frontiers, 00:01:39.812 --> 00:01:44.107 which set on fire the ancient missionary tradition of the Church 00:01:44.131 --> 00:01:47.409 and produced one of the greatest works of art in history. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:48.064 --> 00:01:52.578 Now, this development took place as a great evolution, 00:01:52.602 --> 00:01:55.337 moving from the beginning of a few elite, 00:01:55.361 --> 00:01:58.792 and eventually able to speak to audiences of people 00:01:58.816 --> 00:02:00.838 that come from all over the world. 00:02:01.222 --> 00:02:03.976 This evolution took place in three stages, 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.111 each one linked to a historical circumstance. 00:02:07.135 --> 00:02:09.166 The first one was rather limited in scope. 00:02:09.190 --> 00:02:11.723 It reflected the rather parochial perspective. 00:02:12.096 --> 00:02:16.350 The second one took place after worldviews were dramatically altered 00:02:16.374 --> 00:02:19.065 after Columbus's historical voyage; 00:02:19.089 --> 00:02:20.496 and the third, 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.496 when the Age of Discovery was well under way 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.029 and the Church rose to the challenge 00:02:26.053 --> 00:02:27.456 of going global. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:28.330 --> 00:02:32.342 The original decoration of this church reflected a smaller world. 00:02:32.366 --> 00:02:33.680 There were busy scenes 00:02:33.704 --> 00:02:37.561 that told the stories of the lives of Jesus and Moses, 00:02:37.585 --> 00:02:41.622 reflecting the development of the Jewish and Christian people. 00:02:41.646 --> 00:02:43.983 The man who commissioned this, Pope Sixtus IV, 00:02:44.007 --> 00:02:47.326 assembled a dream team of Florentine art, 00:02:47.350 --> 00:02:50.249 including men like Sandro Botticelli, 00:02:50.273 --> 00:02:53.850 and the man who would become Michelangelo's future painting teacher, 00:02:53.874 --> 00:02:55.412 Ghirlandaio. 00:02:55.436 --> 00:03:00.781 These men, they blanketed the walls with a frieze of pure color, 00:03:00.805 --> 00:03:04.106 and in these stories you'll notice familiar landscapes, 00:03:04.130 --> 00:03:07.996 the artists using Roman monuments or a Tuscan landscape 00:03:08.020 --> 00:03:11.448 to render a faraway story, something much more familiar, 00:03:11.472 --> 00:03:15.117 with the addition of images of the Pope's friends and family. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:15.141 --> 00:03:17.974 This was a perfect decoration for a smart court 00:03:17.998 --> 00:03:19.767 limited to the European continent. 00:03:20.244 --> 00:03:25.114 But in 1492, the New World was discovered, 00:03:25.138 --> 00:03:27.082 horizons were expanding, 00:03:27.106 --> 00:03:33.462 and this little 133 by 46-foot microcosm had to expand as well. 00:03:33.486 --> 00:03:34.806 And it did, 00:03:34.830 --> 00:03:36.782 thanks to a creative genius, 00:03:36.806 --> 00:03:39.623 a visionary, and an awesome story. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:40.208 --> 00:03:42.757 Now, the creative genius was Michelangelo Buonarroti, 00:03:42.781 --> 00:03:47.171 33 years old when he was tapped to decorate 12,000 square feet of ceiling, 00:03:47.195 --> 00:03:49.076 and the deck was stacked against him -- 00:03:49.100 --> 00:03:51.996 he had trained in painting, but had left to pursue sculpture. 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:55.478 There were angry patrons in Florence because he had left a stack 00:03:55.502 --> 00:03:57.176 of incomplete commissions, 00:03:57.200 --> 00:04:00.863 lured to Rome by the prospect of a great sculptural project, 00:04:00.887 --> 00:04:03.468 and that project had fallen through, 00:04:03.492 --> 00:04:06.621 and he had been left with a commission to paint 12 apostles 00:04:06.645 --> 00:04:09.566 against a decorative background in the Sistine Chapel ceiling, 00:04:09.590 --> 00:04:13.128 which would look like every other ceiling in Italy. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:13.615 --> 00:04:15.446 But genius rose to the challenge. 00:04:15.470 --> 00:04:18.968 In an age when a man dared to sail across the Atlantic Ocean, 00:04:18.992 --> 00:04:22.520 Michelangelo dared to chart new artistic waters. 00:04:23.027 --> 00:04:25.263 He, too, would tell a story -- 00:04:25.287 --> 00:04:28.819 no apostles -- but a story of great beginnings, 00:04:28.843 --> 00:04:30.515 the story of Genesis. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:31.087 --> 00:04:34.018 Not really an easy sell, stories on a ceiling. 00:04:34.042 --> 00:04:38.850 How would you be able to read a busy scene from 62 feet below? 00:04:38.874 --> 00:04:41.729 The painting technique that had been handed on for 200 years 00:04:41.753 --> 00:04:45.067 in Florentine studios was not equipped for this kind of a narrative. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:45.694 --> 00:04:48.662 But Michelangelo wasn't really a painter, 00:04:48.686 --> 00:04:50.970 and so he played to his strengths. 00:04:50.994 --> 00:04:54.476 Instead of being accustomed to filling space with busyness, 00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:58.299 he took a hammer and chisel and hacked away at a piece of marble 00:04:58.323 --> 00:05:00.753 to reveal the figure within. 00:05:00.777 --> 00:05:02.945 Michelangelo was an essentialist; 00:05:02.969 --> 00:05:07.355 he would tell his story in massive, dynamic bodies. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:07.379 --> 00:05:12.146 This plan was embraced by the larger-than-life Pope Julius II, 00:05:12.170 --> 00:05:15.791 a man who was unafraid of Michelangelo's brazen genius. 00:05:15.815 --> 00:05:17.697 He was nephew to Pope Sixtus IV, 00:05:17.721 --> 00:05:21.828 and he had been steeped in art for 30 years and he knew its power. 00:05:21.852 --> 00:05:24.916 And history has handed down the moniker of the Warrior Pope, 00:05:24.940 --> 00:05:28.730 but this man's legacy to the Vatican -- it wasn't fortresses and artillery, 00:05:28.754 --> 00:05:30.070 it was art. 00:05:30.094 --> 00:05:32.673 He left us the Raphael Rooms, the Sistine Chapel. 00:05:32.697 --> 00:05:34.342 He left St. Peter's Basilica, 00:05:34.366 --> 00:05:40.069 as well as an extraordinary collection of Greco-Roman sculptures -- 00:05:40.093 --> 00:05:44.233 decidedly un-Christian works that would become the seedbed 00:05:44.257 --> 00:05:48.142 of the world's first modern museum, the Vatican Museums. 00:05:48.847 --> 00:05:50.271 Julius was a man 00:05:50.295 --> 00:05:54.079 who envisioned a Vatican that would be eternally relevant 00:05:54.103 --> 00:05:56.192 through grandeur and through beauty, 00:05:56.216 --> 00:05:57.588 and he was right: 00:05:57.612 --> 00:06:02.600 the encounter between these two giants, Michelangelo and Julius II, 00:06:02.624 --> 00:06:05.061 that's what gave us the Sistine Chapel. 00:06:05.641 --> 00:06:08.428 Michelangelo was so committed to this project, 00:06:08.452 --> 00:06:12.835 that he succeeded in getting the job done in three and a half years, 00:06:12.859 --> 00:06:17.128 using a skeleton crew and spending most of the time, hours on end, 00:06:17.152 --> 00:06:20.843 reaching up above his head to paint the stories on the ceiling. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:21.424 --> 00:06:23.474 So let's look at this ceiling 00:06:23.498 --> 00:06:26.329 and see storytelling gone global. 00:06:26.353 --> 00:06:30.765 No more familiar artistic references to the world around you. 00:06:30.789 --> 00:06:35.432 There's just space and structure and energy; 00:06:35.456 --> 00:06:40.053 a monumental painted framework which opens onto nine panels, 00:06:40.077 --> 00:06:44.010 more driven by sculptural form than painterly color. 00:06:44.034 --> 00:06:47.811 And we stand in the far end by the entrance, 00:06:47.835 --> 00:06:51.941 far from the altar and from the gated enclosure intended for the clergy 00:06:51.965 --> 00:06:57.212 and we peer into the distance, looking for a beginning. 00:06:57.236 --> 00:07:01.252 And whether in scientific inquiry or in biblical tradition, 00:07:01.276 --> 00:07:04.596 we think in terms of a primal spark. 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:06.753 Michelangelo gave us an initial energy 00:07:06.777 --> 00:07:09.518 when he gave us the separation of light and dark, 00:07:09.542 --> 00:07:12.931 a churning figure blurry in the distance, 00:07:12.955 --> 00:07:15.439 compressed into a tight space. 00:07:15.463 --> 00:07:17.792 The next figure looms larger, 00:07:17.816 --> 00:07:21.243 and you see a figure hurtling from one side to the next. 00:07:21.267 --> 00:07:26.253 He leaves in his wake the sun, the moon, vegetation. 00:07:26.277 --> 00:07:30.284 Michelangelo didn't focus on the stuff that was being created, 00:07:30.308 --> 00:07:32.352 unlike all the other artists. 00:07:32.376 --> 00:07:35.719 He focused on the act of creation. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:35.743 --> 00:07:40.117 And then the movement stops, like a caesura in poetry 00:07:40.141 --> 00:07:41.393 and the Creator hovers. 00:07:41.417 --> 00:07:42.696 So what's He doing? 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.575 Is He creating land? Is He creating sea? 00:07:45.599 --> 00:07:50.290 Or is He looking back over His handiwork, the Universe and His treasures, 00:07:50.314 --> 00:07:52.045 just like Michelangelo must have, 00:07:52.069 --> 00:07:54.666 looking back over his work in the ceiling 00:07:54.690 --> 00:07:57.484 and proclaiming, "It is good." NOTE Paragraph 00:07:58.388 --> 00:08:00.493 So now the scene is set, 00:08:00.517 --> 00:08:04.195 and you get to the culmination of creation, which is man. 00:08:04.219 --> 00:08:08.549 Adam leaps to the eye, a light figure against a dark background. 00:08:08.573 --> 00:08:10.331 But looking closer, 00:08:10.355 --> 00:08:13.007 that leg is pretty languid on the ground, 00:08:13.031 --> 00:08:15.321 the arm is heavy on the knee. 00:08:15.345 --> 00:08:19.022 Adam lacks that interior spark 00:08:19.046 --> 00:08:21.334 that will impel him to greatness. 00:08:21.358 --> 00:08:26.123 That spark is about to be conferred by the Creator in that finger, 00:08:26.147 --> 00:08:28.818 which is one millimeter from the hand of Adam. 00:08:28.842 --> 00:08:30.787 It puts us at the edge of our seats, 00:08:30.811 --> 00:08:33.826 because we're one moment from that contact, 00:08:33.850 --> 00:08:36.751 through which that man will discover his purpose, 00:08:36.775 --> 00:08:39.759 leap up and take his place at the pinnacle of Creation. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:39.783 --> 00:08:43.044 And then Michelangelo threw a curveball. 00:08:43.068 --> 00:08:44.896 Who is in that other arm? 00:08:45.531 --> 00:08:47.227 Eve, first woman. 00:08:47.251 --> 00:08:50.160 No, she's not an afterthought. She's part of the plan. 00:08:50.184 --> 00:08:52.657 She's always been in His mind. 00:08:52.681 --> 00:08:56.886 Look at her, so intimate with God that her hand curls around his arm. 00:08:57.329 --> 00:09:02.737 And for me, an American art historian from the 21st century, 00:09:02.761 --> 00:09:05.613 this was the moment that the painting spoke to me, 00:09:05.637 --> 00:09:08.985 because I realized that this representation of the human drama 00:09:09.009 --> 00:09:11.922 was always about men and women -- 00:09:11.946 --> 00:09:15.736 so much so, that the dead center, the heart of the ceiling, 00:09:15.760 --> 00:09:18.174 is the creation of woman, not Adam. 00:09:18.198 --> 00:09:22.122 And the fact is, that when you see them together in the Garden of Eden, 00:09:22.146 --> 00:09:23.683 they fall together, 00:09:23.707 --> 00:09:28.099 and together their proud posture turns into folded shame. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:28.647 --> 00:09:31.316 You are at critical juncture now in the ceiling. 00:09:31.340 --> 00:09:34.423 You are exactly at the point where you and I can go 00:09:34.447 --> 00:09:35.902 no further into the church. 00:09:35.926 --> 00:09:39.282 The gated enclosure keeps us out of the inner sanctum, 00:09:39.306 --> 00:09:41.819 and we are cast out much like Adam and Eve. 00:09:41.843 --> 00:09:43.599 The remaining scenes in the ceiling, 00:09:43.623 --> 00:09:46.467 they mirror the crowded chaos of the world around us. 00:09:46.491 --> 00:09:48.715 You have Noah and his Ark and the flood. 00:09:48.739 --> 00:09:52.329 You have Noah. He's making a sacrifice and a covenant with God. 00:09:52.353 --> 00:09:53.639 Maybe he's the Savior. 00:09:54.031 --> 00:09:57.763 Oh, but no, Noah is the one who grew grapes, invented wine, 00:09:57.787 --> 00:09:59.945 got drunk, and passed out naked in his barn. 00:10:00.385 --> 00:10:02.759 It is a curious way to design the ceiling, 00:10:02.783 --> 00:10:04.707 now starting out with God creating life, 00:10:04.731 --> 00:10:07.226 ending up with some guy blind drunk in a barn. 00:10:07.250 --> 00:10:09.706 And so, compared with Adam, 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:12.248 you might think Michelangelo is making fun of us. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:12.693 --> 00:10:14.736 But he's about to dispel the gloom 00:10:14.760 --> 00:10:18.278 by using those bright colors right underneath Noah: 00:10:18.302 --> 00:10:21.692 emerald, topaz, scarlet on the Prophet Zechariah. 00:10:21.716 --> 00:10:24.695 Zechariah foresees a light coming from the east, 00:10:24.719 --> 00:10:28.407 and we are turned at this juncture to a new destination, 00:10:28.431 --> 00:10:32.306 with sibyls and prophets who will lead us on a parade. 00:10:32.330 --> 00:10:35.628 You have the heroes and heroines who make safe the way, 00:10:35.652 --> 00:10:38.136 and we follow the mothers and fathers. 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:42.245 They are the motors of this great human engine, driving it forward. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:42.269 --> 00:10:45.176 And now we're at the keystone of the ceiling, 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.379 the culmination of the whole thing, 00:10:47.403 --> 00:10:50.633 with a figure that looks like he's about to fall out of his space 00:10:50.657 --> 00:10:51.997 into our space, 00:10:52.021 --> 00:10:53.304 encroaching our space. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:53.328 --> 00:10:55.869 This is the most important juncture. 00:10:55.893 --> 00:10:57.765 Past meets present. 00:10:57.789 --> 00:11:01.005 This figure, Jonah, who spent three days in the belly of the whale, 00:11:01.029 --> 00:11:03.882 for the Christians, is the symbol of the renewal of humanity 00:11:03.906 --> 00:11:05.169 through Jesus's sacrifice, 00:11:05.193 --> 00:11:07.941 but for the multitudes of visitors to that museum 00:11:07.965 --> 00:11:10.735 from all faiths who visit there every day, 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:17.345 he is the moment the distant past encounters and meets immediate reality. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:18.091 --> 00:11:22.684 All of this brings us to the yawning archway of the altar wall, 00:11:22.708 --> 00:11:25.471 where we see Michelangelo's Last Judgment, 00:11:25.495 --> 00:11:29.361 painted in 1534 after the world had changed again. 00:11:29.385 --> 00:11:31.409 The Reformation had splintered the Church, 00:11:31.433 --> 00:11:34.301 the Ottoman Empire had made Islam a household word 00:11:34.325 --> 00:11:37.819 and Magellan had found a route into the Pacific Ocean. 00:11:37.843 --> 00:11:42.505 How is a 59-year-old artist who has never been any further than Venice 00:11:42.529 --> 00:11:44.723 going to speak to this new world? 00:11:44.747 --> 00:11:47.790 Michelangelo chose to paint destiny, 00:11:47.814 --> 00:11:49.634 that universal desire, 00:11:49.658 --> 00:11:51.278 common to all of us, 00:11:51.302 --> 00:11:54.471 to leave a legacy of excellence. 00:11:54.495 --> 00:11:57.426 Told in terms of the Christian vision of the Last Judgment, 00:11:57.450 --> 00:11:58.762 the end of the world, 00:11:58.786 --> 00:12:01.924 Michelangelo gave you a series of figures 00:12:01.948 --> 00:12:05.103 who are wearing these strikingly beautiful bodies. 00:12:05.127 --> 00:12:07.849 They have no more covers, no more portraits 00:12:07.873 --> 00:12:09.110 except for a couple. 00:12:09.134 --> 00:12:11.852 It's a composition only out of bodies, 00:12:11.876 --> 00:12:15.262 391, no two alike, 00:12:15.286 --> 00:12:17.740 unique like each and every one of us. 00:12:17.764 --> 00:12:21.506 They start in the lower corner, breaking away from the ground, 00:12:21.530 --> 00:12:24.252 struggling and trying to rise. 00:12:24.276 --> 00:12:26.732 Those who have risen reach back to help others, 00:12:26.756 --> 00:12:28.593 and in one amazing vignette, 00:12:28.617 --> 00:12:31.709 you have a black man and a white man pulled up together 00:12:31.733 --> 00:12:34.455 in an incredible vision of human unity 00:12:34.479 --> 00:12:35.921 in this new world. 00:12:35.945 --> 00:12:39.452 The lion's share of the space goes to the winner's circle. 00:12:39.476 --> 00:12:44.312 There you find men and women completely nude like athletes. 00:12:44.336 --> 00:12:46.648 They are the ones who have overcome adversity, 00:12:46.672 --> 00:12:50.386 and Michelangelo's vision of people who combat adversity, 00:12:50.410 --> 00:12:51.684 overcome obstacles -- 00:12:51.708 --> 00:12:53.602 they're just like athletes. 00:12:53.626 --> 00:12:57.055 So you have men and women flexing and posing 00:12:57.079 --> 00:12:59.163 in this extraordinary spotlight. 00:12:59.555 --> 00:13:02.100 Presiding over this assembly is Jesus, 00:13:02.124 --> 00:13:04.142 first a suffering man on the cross, 00:13:04.166 --> 00:13:06.570 now a glorious ruler in Heaven. 00:13:06.594 --> 00:13:09.612 And as Michelangelo proved in his painting, 00:13:09.636 --> 00:13:12.214 hardship, setbacks and obstacles, 00:13:12.238 --> 00:13:15.472 they don't limit excellence, they forge it. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:16.276 --> 00:13:18.864 Now, this does lead us to one odd thing. 00:13:18.888 --> 00:13:20.705 This is the Pope's private chapel, 00:13:20.729 --> 00:13:23.886 and the best way you can describe that is indeed a stew of nudes. 00:13:23.910 --> 00:13:27.673 But Michelangelo was trying to use only the best artistic language, 00:13:27.697 --> 00:13:30.285 the most universal artistic language he could think of: 00:13:30.309 --> 00:13:32.069 that of the human body. 00:13:32.093 --> 00:13:37.899 And so instead of the way of showing virtue such as fortitude or self-mastery, 00:13:37.923 --> 00:13:42.188 he borrowed from Julius II's wonderful collection of sculptures 00:13:42.212 --> 00:13:46.463 in order to show inner strength as external power. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:47.368 --> 00:13:50.733 Now, one contemporary did write 00:13:50.757 --> 00:13:54.615 that the chapel was too beautiful to not cause controversy. 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:55.988 And so it did. 00:13:56.012 --> 00:13:59.550 Michelangelo soon found that thanks to the printing press, 00:13:59.574 --> 00:14:02.696 complaints about the nudity spread all over the place, 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:07.016 and soon his masterpiece of human drama was labeled pornography, 00:14:07.040 --> 00:14:09.215 at which point he added two more portraits, 00:14:09.239 --> 00:14:11.723 one of the man who criticized him, a papal courtier, 00:14:11.747 --> 00:14:15.879 and the other one of himself as a dried up husk, no athlete, 00:14:15.903 --> 00:14:18.324 in the hands of a long-suffering martyr. 00:14:18.348 --> 00:14:22.016 The year he died he saw several of these figures covered over, 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:27.659 a triumph for trivial distractions over his great exhortation to glory. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:28.167 --> 00:14:29.931 And so now we stand 00:14:29.955 --> 00:14:31.685 in the here and now. 00:14:31.709 --> 00:14:34.029 We are caught in that space 00:14:34.053 --> 00:14:36.318 between beginnings and endings, 00:14:36.342 --> 00:14:40.574 in the great, huge totality of the human experience. 00:14:40.598 --> 00:14:44.569 The Sistine Chapel forces us to look around as if it were a mirror. 00:14:44.593 --> 00:14:45.890 Who am I in this picture? 00:14:45.914 --> 00:14:47.220 Am I one of the crowd? 00:14:47.244 --> 00:14:48.617 Am I the drunk guy? 00:14:48.641 --> 00:14:50.097 Am I the athlete? 00:14:50.121 --> 00:14:52.381 And as we leave this haven of uplifting beauty, 00:14:52.405 --> 00:14:56.349 we are inspired to ask ourselves life's biggest questions: 00:14:56.373 --> 00:15:01.211 Who am I and what role do I play in this great theater of life? NOTE Paragraph 00:15:01.549 --> 00:15:02.720 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:02.744 --> 00:15:06.192 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:15:06.216 --> 00:15:09.187 Bruno Giussani: Elizabeth Lev, thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:09.211 --> 00:15:13.067 Elizabeth, you mentioned this whole issue of pornography, 00:15:13.091 --> 00:15:17.904 too many nudes and too many daily life scenes and improper things 00:15:18.555 --> 00:15:20.420 in the eyes of the time. 00:15:20.444 --> 00:15:22.050 But actually the story is bigger. 00:15:22.074 --> 00:15:25.094 It's not just touching up and covering up some of the figures. 00:15:25.118 --> 00:15:27.742 This work of art was almost destroyed because of that. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:28.383 --> 00:15:31.408 Elizabeth Lev: The effect of the Last Judgment was enormous. 00:15:31.432 --> 00:15:34.382 The printing press made sure that everybody saw it. 00:15:34.406 --> 00:15:37.691 And so, this wasn't something that happened within a couple of weeks. 00:15:37.715 --> 00:15:42.183 It was something that happened over the space of 20 years 00:15:42.207 --> 00:15:44.131 of editorials and complaints, 00:15:44.155 --> 00:15:45.323 saying to the Church, 00:15:45.347 --> 00:15:47.922 "You can't possibly tell us how to live our lives. 00:15:47.946 --> 00:15:51.286 Did you notice you have pornography in the Pope's chapel?" 00:15:51.310 --> 00:15:53.770 And so after complaints and insistence 00:15:53.794 --> 00:15:56.510 of trying to get this work destroyed, 00:15:56.534 --> 00:15:58.695 it was finally the year that Michelangelo died 00:15:58.719 --> 00:16:00.800 that the Church finally found a compromise, 00:16:00.824 --> 00:16:02.355 a way to save the painting, 00:16:02.379 --> 00:16:05.696 and that was in putting up these extra 30 covers, 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.467 and that happens to be the origin of fig-leafing. 00:16:08.491 --> 00:16:10.079 That's where it all came about, 00:16:10.103 --> 00:16:14.233 and it came about from a church that was trying to save a work of art, 00:16:14.257 --> 00:16:16.428 not indeed deface or destroyed it. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:16.888 --> 00:16:19.675 BG: This, what you just gave us, is not the classic tour 00:16:19.699 --> 00:16:22.673 that people get today when they go to the Sistine Chapel. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:22.697 --> 00:16:24.800 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:16:24.824 --> 00:16:26.605 EL: I don't know, is that an ad? 00:16:26.629 --> 00:16:28.306 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:16:28.330 --> 00:16:31.318 BG: No, no, no, not necessarily, it is a statement. 00:16:31.342 --> 00:16:35.256 The experience of art today is encountering problems. 00:16:35.280 --> 00:16:38.155 Too many people want to see this there, 00:16:38.179 --> 00:16:41.306 and the result is five million people going through that tiny door 00:16:41.330 --> 00:16:43.647 and experiencing it in a completely different way 00:16:43.671 --> 00:16:44.837 than we just did. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:44.861 --> 00:16:48.390 EL: Right. I agree. I think it's really nice to be able to pause and look. 00:16:48.414 --> 00:16:50.715 But also realize, even when you're in those days, 00:16:50.739 --> 00:16:52.751 with 28,000 people a day, 00:16:52.775 --> 00:16:55.885 even those days when you're in there with all those other people, 00:16:55.909 --> 00:16:58.314 look around you and think how amazing it is 00:16:58.338 --> 00:17:01.934 that some painted plaster from 500 years ago 00:17:01.958 --> 00:17:05.066 can still draw all those people standing side by side with you, 00:17:05.090 --> 00:17:07.065 looking upwards with their jaws dropped. 00:17:07.089 --> 00:17:12.014 It's a great statement about how beauty truly can speak to us all 00:17:12.038 --> 00:17:14.725 through time and through geographic space. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:14.749 --> 00:17:15.943 BG: Liz, grazie. 00:17:15.967 --> 00:17:17.174 EL: Grazie a te. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:17.198 --> 00:17:18.374 BG: Thank you. 00:17:18.398 --> 00:17:20.261 (Applause)