WEBVTT 00:00:00.950 --> 00:00:02.878 Imagine you're in Rome 00:00:02.878 --> 00:00:06.105 and you've made your way to the Vatican Museums, 00:00:06.105 --> 00:00:09.727 and you've been shuffling down long corridors, 00:00:09.727 --> 00:00:14.417 past statues, frescoes, lots and lots of stuff. 00:00:14.417 --> 00:00:16.925 You're heading towards the Sistine Chapel. 00:00:16.925 --> 00:00:22.149 At last, a long corridor, a stair, and a door. 00:00:22.149 --> 00:00:25.354 You're at the threshold of the Sistine Chapel. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:25.354 --> 00:00:27.141 So what are you expecting? 00:00:27.141 --> 00:00:29.575 Soaring domes? Choirs of angels? 00:00:29.575 --> 00:00:31.757 We don't really have any of that there. 00:00:31.757 --> 00:00:36.285 Instead, you may ask yourself, what do we have? NOTE Paragraph 00:00:36.285 --> 00:00:38.932 Well, curtains up on the Sistine Chapel. 00:00:38.932 --> 00:00:41.649 And I mean literally, you're surrounded by painted curtains, 00:00:41.649 --> 00:00:44.087 the original decoration of this chapel. 00:00:44.087 --> 00:00:48.870 Churches used tapestries not just to keep out cold during long masses, 00:00:48.870 --> 00:00:52.631 but as a way to represent the great theater of life. 00:00:52.631 --> 00:00:57.786 The human drama in which each one of us plays a part is a great story, 00:00:57.786 --> 00:01:00.619 a story that encompasses the whole world, 00:01:00.619 --> 00:01:03.985 and that came to unfold in the three stages 00:01:03.985 --> 00:01:06.284 of the painting in the Sistine Chapel. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:06.284 --> 00:01:09.767 Now, this building started out as a space for a small group 00:01:09.767 --> 00:01:12.600 of wealthy, educated Christian priests. 00:01:12.600 --> 00:01:15.456 They prayed there. They elected their Pope there. 00:01:15.456 --> 00:01:19.774 Five hundred years ago, it was the ultimate ecclesiastical man cave. 00:01:19.774 --> 00:01:25.277 So, you may ask, how can it be that today it attracts and delights 00:01:25.277 --> 00:01:28.133 five million people a year, 00:01:28.133 --> 00:01:30.339 from all different backgrounds? 00:01:30.339 --> 00:01:34.843 Because in that compressed space, there was a creative explosion, 00:01:34.843 --> 00:01:39.812 ignited by the electric excitement of new geopolitical frontiers 00:01:39.812 --> 00:01:44.131 which set on fire the ancient missionary tradition of the Church 00:01:44.131 --> 00:01:47.776 and produced one of the greatest works of art in history. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:47.776 --> 00:01:52.722 Now, this development took place as a great evolution, 00:01:52.722 --> 00:01:55.439 moving from the beginning of a few elite 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:58.898 and eventually able to speak to audiences of people 00:01:58.898 --> 00:02:01.313 that come from all over the world. 00:02:01.313 --> 00:02:04.123 This evolution took place in three stages, 00:02:04.123 --> 00:02:07.257 each one linked to a historical circumstance. 00:02:07.257 --> 00:02:09.417 The first one was rather limited in scope. 00:02:09.417 --> 00:02:12.203 It reflected the rather parochial perspective. 00:02:12.203 --> 00:02:16.614 The second one took place after worldviews were dramatically altered 00:02:16.614 --> 00:02:19.261 after Columbus's historical voyage. 00:02:19.261 --> 00:02:20.190 And the third, 00:02:20.190 --> 00:02:23.520 when the Age of Discovery was well under way 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.373 and the Church rose to the challenge of going global. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:28.373 --> 00:02:32.366 The original decoration of this church reflected a smaller world. 00:02:32.366 --> 00:02:34.224 There were busy scenes 00:02:34.224 --> 00:02:37.521 that told the stories of the lives of Jesus and Moses, 00:02:37.521 --> 00:02:41.747 reflecting the development of the Jewish and Christian people. 00:02:41.747 --> 00:02:44.185 The man who commissioned this, Pope Sixtus IV, 00:02:44.185 --> 00:02:47.431 assembled a dream team of Florentine art, 00:02:47.431 --> 00:02:50.450 including men like Sandro Botticelli, 00:02:50.450 --> 00:02:53.979 and the man who would become Michelangelo's future painting teacher, 00:02:53.979 --> 00:02:55.535 Ghirlandaio. 00:02:55.535 --> 00:03:00.805 These men, they blanked the walls with a frieze of pure color, 00:03:00.805 --> 00:03:04.288 and in these stories you'll notice familiar landscapes, 00:03:04.288 --> 00:03:07.051 the artists using Roman monuments or a Tuscan landscape 00:03:07.051 --> 00:03:11.556 to render a faraway story, something much more familiar, 00:03:11.556 --> 00:03:15.224 with the addition of images of the Pope's friends and family. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:15.224 --> 00:03:18.080 This was a perfect decoration for a smart court 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.240 limited to the European continent, 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:25.208 but in 1492, the New World was discovered, 00:03:25.208 --> 00:03:27.321 horizons were expanding, 00:03:27.321 --> 00:03:33.289 and this little 133 x 46 foot microcosm had to expand as well. 00:03:33.289 --> 00:03:35.007 And it did, 00:03:35.007 --> 00:03:37.050 thanks to a creative genius, 00:03:37.050 --> 00:03:40.208 a visionary, and an awesome story. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:40.208 --> 00:03:42.781 Now, the creative genius was Michelangelo Buonarroti, 00:03:42.781 --> 00:03:47.309 33 years old when he was tapped to decorate 12,000 square foot of ceiling, 00:03:47.309 --> 00:03:49.027 and the deck was stacked against him. 00:03:49.027 --> 00:03:52.161 He had trained in painting, but had left to pursue sculpture. 00:03:52.161 --> 00:03:55.621 There were angry patrons in Florence because he had left a stack 00:03:55.621 --> 00:03:57.200 of incomplete commissions, 00:03:57.200 --> 00:04:00.822 lured to Rome by the prospect of a great sculptural project, 00:04:00.822 --> 00:04:03.492 and that project had fallen through, 00:04:03.492 --> 00:04:06.831 and he had been left with a commission to paint 12 apostles 00:04:06.831 --> 00:04:09.757 against a decorative background in the Sistine Chapel ceiling 00:04:09.757 --> 00:04:13.402 which would look like every other ceiling in Italy. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:13.402 --> 00:04:15.678 But genius rose to the challenge. 00:04:15.678 --> 00:04:19.114 In an age when a man dared to sail across the Atlantic Ocean, 00:04:19.114 --> 00:04:22.899 Michelangelo dared to chart new artistic waters. 00:04:22.899 --> 00:04:25.360 He too would tell a story, 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.843 no apostles, but a story of great beginnings, 00:04:28.843 --> 00:04:31.304 the story of Genesis. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:31.304 --> 00:04:33.928 Not really an easy sell, stories on a ceiling. 00:04:33.928 --> 00:04:38.874 How would you be able to read a busy scene from 62 feet below? 00:04:38.874 --> 00:04:41.706 The painting technique that had been handed on for 200 years 00:04:41.706 --> 00:04:45.514 in Florentine studios was not equipped for this kind of a narrative. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:45.514 --> 00:04:48.742 But Michelangelo wasn't really a painter, 00:04:48.742 --> 00:04:50.994 and so he played to his strengths. 00:04:50.994 --> 00:04:54.500 Instead of being accustomed to filling space with busyness, 00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:58.378 he took a hammer and chisel and hacked away at a piece of marble 00:04:58.378 --> 00:05:01.025 to reveal the figure within. 00:05:01.025 --> 00:05:03.138 Michelangelo was an essentialist. 00:05:03.138 --> 00:05:07.712 He would tell his story in massive, dynamic bodies. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:07.712 --> 00:05:12.170 This plan was embraced by the larger-than-life Pope Julius II, 00:05:12.170 --> 00:05:15.815 a man who was unafraid of Michelangelo's brazen genius. 00:05:15.815 --> 00:05:19.066 He was nephew to Pope Sixtus IV, and he had been steeped in art 00:05:19.066 --> 00:05:21.852 for 30 years, and he knew its power. 00:05:21.852 --> 00:05:24.940 And history has handed down the moniker of the Warrior Pope, 00:05:24.940 --> 00:05:29.050 but this man's legacy to the Vatican, it wasn't fortresses and artillery, 00:05:29.050 --> 00:05:30.281 it was art. 00:05:30.281 --> 00:05:32.858 He left us the Raphael Rooms, the Sistine Chapel. 00:05:32.858 --> 00:05:35.342 He left St. Peter's Basilica as well as 00:05:35.342 --> 00:05:39.940 an extraordinary collection of Greco-Roman sculptures, 00:05:39.940 --> 00:05:44.421 decidedly un-Christian works that would become the seedbed 00:05:44.421 --> 00:05:48.531 of the world's first modern museum, the Vatican Museums. 00:05:48.531 --> 00:05:50.295 Julius was a man 00:05:50.295 --> 00:05:54.103 who envisioned a Vatican that would be eternally relevant 00:05:54.103 --> 00:05:56.216 through grandeur and through beauty, 00:05:56.216 --> 00:05:57.679 and he was right: 00:05:57.679 --> 00:06:02.555 the encounter between these two giants, Michelangelo and Julius II, 00:06:02.555 --> 00:06:05.016 that's what gave us the Sistine Chapel. 00:06:05.016 --> 00:06:08.453 Michelangelo was so committed to this project 00:06:08.453 --> 00:06:13.004 that he succeeded in getting the job done in three and a half years 00:06:13.004 --> 00:06:14.582 using a skeleton crew 00:06:14.582 --> 00:06:17.322 and spending most of the time, hours on end, 00:06:17.322 --> 00:06:21.641 reaching up above his head to paint the stories on the ceiling. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:21.641 --> 00:06:23.591 So let's look at this ceiling 00:06:23.591 --> 00:06:26.517 and see storytelling gone global. 00:06:26.517 --> 00:06:30.789 No more familiar artistic references to the world around you. 00:06:30.789 --> 00:06:35.456 There's just space and structure and energy, 00:06:35.456 --> 00:06:40.077 and a monumental painted framework which opens onto nine panels, 00:06:40.077 --> 00:06:43.908 more driven by sculptural form than painterly color, 00:06:43.908 --> 00:06:46.625 and we stand in the far end 00:06:46.625 --> 00:06:49.039 by the entrance, far from the altar 00:06:49.039 --> 00:06:51.965 and from the gated enclosure intended for the clergy, 00:06:51.965 --> 00:06:57.236 and we peer into the distance looking for a beginning. 00:06:57.236 --> 00:07:01.276 And whether in scientific inquiry or in Biblical tradition, 00:07:01.276 --> 00:07:04.619 we think in terms of a primal spark. 00:07:04.619 --> 00:07:07.638 Michelangelo gave us an initial energy when he gave us 00:07:07.638 --> 00:07:09.542 the separation of light and dark, 00:07:09.542 --> 00:07:12.955 a churning figure blurry in the distance 00:07:12.955 --> 00:07:15.463 compressed into a tight space. 00:07:15.463 --> 00:07:17.668 The next figure looms larger, 00:07:17.668 --> 00:07:21.267 and you see a figure hurtling from one side to the next. 00:07:21.267 --> 00:07:26.097 He leaves in his wake the sun, the moon, vegetation. 00:07:26.097 --> 00:07:30.439 Michelangelo didn't focus on the stuff that was being created, 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.436 unlike all the other artists. 00:07:32.436 --> 00:07:35.849 He focused on the act of Creation. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:35.849 --> 00:07:38.357 And then the movement stops, 00:07:38.357 --> 00:07:41.630 like a caesura in poetry, and the Creator hovers. 00:07:41.630 --> 00:07:42.931 So what's He doing? 00:07:42.931 --> 00:07:45.972 Is he creating land? Is He creating sea? 00:07:45.972 --> 00:07:50.314 Or is He looking back over His handiwork, the Universe and His treasures, 00:07:50.314 --> 00:07:54.447 just like Michelangelo must have looking back over his work in the ceiling 00:07:54.447 --> 00:07:58.580 and proclaiming, "It is good." NOTE Paragraph 00:07:58.580 --> 00:08:00.786 So now the scene is set, 00:08:00.786 --> 00:08:03.990 and you get to the culmination of Creation which is Man. 00:08:03.990 --> 00:08:08.356 Adam leaps to the eye, a light figure against a dark background, 00:08:08.356 --> 00:08:10.236 but looking closer, 00:08:10.236 --> 00:08:13.139 that leg is pretty languid on the ground, 00:08:13.139 --> 00:08:15.344 the arm is heavy on the knee. 00:08:15.344 --> 00:08:19.268 Adam lacks that interior spark 00:08:19.268 --> 00:08:21.358 that will impel him to greatness. 00:08:21.358 --> 00:08:26.373 That spark is about to be conferred by the Creator in that finger, 00:08:26.373 --> 00:08:28.974 which is one millimeter from the hand of Adam. 00:08:28.974 --> 00:08:32.294 It puts us at the edge of our seats, because we're one moment 00:08:32.294 --> 00:08:33.850 from that contact, 00:08:33.850 --> 00:08:36.776 through which that man will discover his purpose, 00:08:36.776 --> 00:08:39.864 leap up and take his place at the pinnacle of Creation. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:39.864 --> 00:08:43.068 And then Michelangelo threw a curveball. 00:08:43.068 --> 00:08:45.808 Who is in that other arm? 00:08:45.808 --> 00:08:47.572 Eve, first woman. 00:08:47.572 --> 00:08:50.010 No, she's not an afterthought. She's part of a plan. 00:08:50.010 --> 00:08:52.681 She's always been in His mind. 00:08:52.681 --> 00:08:55.676 Look at her, so intimate with God that her hand curls 00:08:55.676 --> 00:08:57.255 around his arm, 00:08:57.255 --> 00:09:00.970 and for me, an American art historian 00:09:00.970 --> 00:09:02.920 from the 21st century, 00:09:02.920 --> 00:09:05.637 this was the moment that the painting spoke to me, 00:09:05.637 --> 00:09:08.771 because I realized that this representation of the human drama 00:09:08.771 --> 00:09:13.438 was always about men and women, so much so 00:09:13.438 --> 00:09:15.760 that the dead center, the heart of the ceiling 00:09:15.760 --> 00:09:18.198 is the creation of Woman, not Adam, 00:09:18.198 --> 00:09:22.146 and the fact is, and when you see them together in the Garden of Eden, 00:09:22.146 --> 00:09:23.887 they fall together, 00:09:23.887 --> 00:09:26.766 and together their proud posture 00:09:26.766 --> 00:09:28.647 turns into folded shame. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:28.647 --> 00:09:31.503 You art a critical juncture now in the ceiling. 00:09:31.503 --> 00:09:34.568 You are exactly at the point where you and I can go 00:09:34.568 --> 00:09:36.239 no further into the church. 00:09:36.239 --> 00:09:39.095 The gated enclosure keeps us out of the inner sanctum, 00:09:39.095 --> 00:09:41.905 and we are cast out much like Adam and Eve. 00:09:41.905 --> 00:09:43.623 The remaining scenes in the ceiling, 00:09:43.623 --> 00:09:46.316 they mirror the crowded chaos of the world around us. 00:09:46.316 --> 00:09:48.847 You have Noah and his Ark and the flood. 00:09:48.847 --> 00:09:52.353 You have Noah. He's making a sacrifice and a covenant with God. 00:09:52.353 --> 00:09:53.839 Maybe he's the Savior? 00:09:53.839 --> 00:09:57.787 Oh, but no, Noah is the one who grew grapes, invented wine, 00:09:57.787 --> 00:09:59.969 got drunk, and passed out naked in his barn. 00:09:59.969 --> 00:10:02.941 It is a curious way to design the ceiling, 00:10:02.941 --> 00:10:04.706 now starting out with God creating life, 00:10:04.706 --> 00:10:07.446 ending up with some guy blind drunk in a barn. 00:10:07.446 --> 00:10:09.814 And so, compared with Adam, 00:10:09.814 --> 00:10:12.693 you might think Michelangelo is making fun of us. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:12.693 --> 00:10:14.829 But he's about to dispel the gloom 00:10:14.829 --> 00:10:18.302 by using those bright colors right underneath Noah: 00:10:18.302 --> 00:10:21.716 emerald, taupe, and scarlet on the Prophet Zechariah. 00:10:21.716 --> 00:10:24.901 Zechariah foresees a light coming from the east, 00:10:24.901 --> 00:10:28.431 and we are turned at this juncture to a new destination, 00:10:28.431 --> 00:10:32.076 with sibyls and prophets who will lead us on a parade. 00:10:32.076 --> 00:10:35.652 You have the heroes and heroines who make safe the way, 00:10:35.652 --> 00:10:38.160 and we follow the mothers and fathers. 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:42.269 They are the motors of this great human engine, driving it forward. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:42.269 --> 00:10:45.799 And now we're at the keystone of the ceiling, 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.422 the culmination of the whole thing, 00:10:48.422 --> 00:10:50.744 with a figure that looks like he's about to fall out of his space 00:10:50.744 --> 00:10:52.021 into our space, 00:10:52.021 --> 00:10:53.452 encroaching our space. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:53.452 --> 00:10:55.797 This is the most important juncture. 00:10:55.797 --> 00:10:57.863 Past meets present. 00:10:57.863 --> 00:11:00.789 This figure, Jonah, who spent three days in the belly of the whale, 00:11:00.789 --> 00:11:03.552 for the Christians is the symbol of the renewal of humanity 00:11:03.552 --> 00:11:06.385 through Jesus's sacrifice, but for the multitudes 00:11:06.385 --> 00:11:10.657 of visitors to that museum from all faiths who visit there every day, 00:11:10.657 --> 00:11:13.722 he is the moment the distant past 00:11:13.722 --> 00:11:18.250 encounters and meets immediate reality. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:18.250 --> 00:11:22.708 All of this brings us to the yawning archway of the altar wall, 00:11:22.708 --> 00:11:25.680 where we see Michelangelo's Last Judgment, 00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:29.385 painted in 1534 after the world had changed again. 00:11:29.385 --> 00:11:31.359 The Reformation had splintered the Church. 00:11:31.359 --> 00:11:34.494 The Ottoman Empire had made Islam a household word, 00:11:34.494 --> 00:11:37.619 and Magellan had found a route into the Pacific Ocean. 00:11:37.619 --> 00:11:42.379 How is a 59-year old artist who has never been any further than Venice 00:11:42.379 --> 00:11:44.747 going to speak to this new world? 00:11:44.747 --> 00:11:47.928 Michelangelo chose to paint destiny, 00:11:47.928 --> 00:11:49.739 that universal desire, 00:11:49.739 --> 00:11:51.481 common to all of us, 00:11:51.481 --> 00:11:54.383 to leave a legacy of excellence. 00:11:54.383 --> 00:11:58.005 Told in terms of the Christian vision of the Last Judgment, 00:11:58.005 --> 00:11:59.421 the end of the world, 00:11:59.421 --> 00:12:01.697 Michelangelo gave you a series of figures 00:12:01.697 --> 00:12:05.040 who are wearing these strikingly beautiful bodies. 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:07.873 They have no more covers, no more portraits 00:12:07.873 --> 00:12:09.266 except for a couple. 00:12:09.266 --> 00:12:11.936 It's a composition only out of bodies, 00:12:11.936 --> 00:12:15.373 391, no two alike, 00:12:15.373 --> 00:12:17.764 unique like each and every one of us. 00:12:17.764 --> 00:12:21.572 They start in the lower corner, breaking away from the ground, 00:12:21.572 --> 00:12:24.359 struggling and trying to rise. 00:12:24.359 --> 00:12:26.820 Those who have risen reach back to help others, 00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:28.538 and in one amazing vignette, 00:12:28.538 --> 00:12:31.905 you have a black man and a white man pulled up together 00:12:31.905 --> 00:12:35.945 in an incredible vision of human unity in this new world. 00:12:35.945 --> 00:12:39.544 The lion's share of the space goes to the winner's circle. 00:12:39.544 --> 00:12:44.257 There you find men and women completely nude like athletes. 00:12:44.257 --> 00:12:46.672 They are the ones who have overcome adversity, 00:12:46.672 --> 00:12:50.410 and Michelangelo's vision of people who combat adversity, 00:12:50.410 --> 00:12:51.827 overcome obstacles, 00:12:51.827 --> 00:12:53.800 they're just like athletes. 00:12:53.800 --> 00:12:57.237 So you have men and women flexing and posing 00:12:57.237 --> 00:12:59.187 in this extraordinary spotlight. 00:12:59.187 --> 00:13:02.252 Presiding over this assembly is Jesus, 00:13:02.252 --> 00:13:04.342 first a suffering man on the cross, 00:13:04.342 --> 00:13:06.594 now a glorious ruler in Heaven. 00:13:06.594 --> 00:13:09.636 And as Michelangelo proved in his painting, 00:13:09.636 --> 00:13:11.981 hardship, setbacks, and obstacles, 00:13:11.981 --> 00:13:16.276 they don't limit excellence, they forge it. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:16.276 --> 00:13:18.784 Now, this does lead us to one odd thing. 00:13:18.784 --> 00:13:20.850 This is the Pope's private chapel, 00:13:20.850 --> 00:13:23.869 and the best way you can describe that is indeed a stew of nudes. 00:13:23.869 --> 00:13:27.863 But Michelangelo was trying to use only the best artistic language, 00:13:27.863 --> 00:13:30.231 the most universal artistic language he could think of, 00:13:30.231 --> 00:13:32.112 that of the human body. 00:13:32.112 --> 00:13:37.893 And so instead of the way of showing virtue such as fortitude or self-mastery, 00:13:37.893 --> 00:13:42.212 he borrowed from Julius II's wonderful collection of sculptures 00:13:42.212 --> 00:13:46.972 in order to show inner strength as external power. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:46.972 --> 00:13:50.757 Now, one contemporary did write 00:13:50.757 --> 00:13:54.936 that the chapel was too beautiful to not cause controversy, 00:13:54.936 --> 00:13:56.236 and so it did. 00:13:56.236 --> 00:13:59.719 Michelangelo soon found that thanks to the printing press, 00:13:59.719 --> 00:14:02.900 complaints about the nudity spread all over the place, 00:14:02.900 --> 00:14:07.219 and soon his masterpiece of human drama was labeled pornography, 00:14:07.219 --> 00:14:09.239 at which point he added two more portraits, 00:14:09.239 --> 00:14:11.747 one of the man who criticized him, a papal courtier, 00:14:11.747 --> 00:14:15.903 and the other one of himself as a dried up husk, no athlete, 00:14:15.903 --> 00:14:18.457 in the hands of a long-suffering martyr. 00:14:18.457 --> 00:14:22.079 The year he died he saw several of these figures covered over, 00:14:22.079 --> 00:14:28.069 a triumph for trivial distractions over his great exhortation to glory. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:28.069 --> 00:14:30.206 And so now we stand 00:14:30.206 --> 00:14:32.156 in the here and now. 00:14:32.156 --> 00:14:34.292 We are caught in that space 00:14:34.292 --> 00:14:36.428 between beginnings and endings, 00:14:36.428 --> 00:14:40.538 in the great, huge totality of the human experience. 00:14:40.538 --> 00:14:44.532 The Sistine Chapel forces us to look around as if it were a mirror. 00:14:44.532 --> 00:14:46.134 Who am I in this picture? 00:14:46.134 --> 00:14:48.641 Am I one of the crowd? Am I the drunk guy? 00:14:48.641 --> 00:14:50.197 Am I the athlete? 00:14:50.197 --> 00:14:52.589 And as we leave this haven of uplifting beauty, 00:14:52.589 --> 00:14:56.373 we are inspired to ask ourselves life's biggest questions. 00:14:56.373 --> 00:15:01.621 Who am I and what role do I play in this great theater of life? NOTE Paragraph 00:15:01.621 --> 00:15:03.293 Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:03.293 --> 00:15:06.358 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:15:06.358 --> 00:15:09.399 Bruno Giussani: Elizabeth Lev, thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.091 Elizabeth, you mentioned this whole issue of pornography, 00:15:13.091 --> 00:15:17.619 too many nudes and too many daily life scenes and improper things 00:15:17.619 --> 00:15:20.126 in the eyes of the time. 00:15:20.126 --> 00:15:21.938 But actually the story is bigger. 00:15:21.938 --> 00:15:24.793 It's not just touching up and covering up some of the figures. 00:15:24.793 --> 00:15:27.766 This work of art was almost destroyed because of that. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:27.766 --> 00:15:31.504 Elizabeth Lev: The effect of the Last Judgment was enormous. 00:15:31.504 --> 00:15:34.406 The printing press made sure that everybody saw it, 00:15:34.406 --> 00:15:36.891 and so this wasn't something that happened within a couple of weeks. 00:15:36.891 --> 00:15:42.115 It was something that happened over the space of 20 years 00:15:42.115 --> 00:15:44.088 of editorials and complaints, 00:15:44.088 --> 00:15:45.249 saying to the Church, 00:15:45.249 --> 00:15:47.827 "You can't possibly tell us how to live our lives. 00:15:47.827 --> 00:15:51.310 Did you notice you have pornography in the Pope's chapel?" 00:15:51.310 --> 00:15:53.701 And so after complaints and insistence 00:15:53.701 --> 00:15:56.534 of trying to get this work destroyed, 00:15:56.534 --> 00:15:58.740 it was finally the year that Michelangelo died 00:15:58.740 --> 00:16:00.667 that the Church finally found a compromise, 00:16:00.667 --> 00:16:02.501 a way to save the painting, 00:16:02.501 --> 00:16:05.720 and that was in putting up these extra 30 covers, 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.552 and that happens to be the origin of fig-leafing. 00:16:08.552 --> 00:16:10.271 That's where it all came about, 00:16:10.271 --> 00:16:12.848 and it came about from a church that was trying to save a work of art, 00:16:12.848 --> 00:16:16.958 not indeed deface or destroyed it. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:16.958 --> 00:16:19.790 BG: This, what you just gave us, is not the classic tour 00:16:19.790 --> 00:16:22.670 that people get today when they go to the Sistine Chapel. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:22.670 --> 00:16:24.388 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:16:24.388 --> 00:16:26.733 EL: I don't know, is that an ad? NOTE Paragraph 00:16:26.733 --> 00:16:31.400 BG: No, no, no, not necessarily, it is a statement. 00:16:31.400 --> 00:16:35.765 It is, the experience of art today is encountering problems. 00:16:35.765 --> 00:16:38.268 Too many people want to see this there, 00:16:38.268 --> 00:16:40.984 and the result is five million people going through that tiny door 00:16:40.984 --> 00:16:43.190 and experiencing it in a completely different way 00:16:43.190 --> 00:16:44.862 than we just did in the last 15 minutes. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:44.862 --> 00:16:47.903 EL: Right. I agree. I think it's really nice to be able to pause and look, 00:16:47.903 --> 00:16:50.685 but also realize, even when you're in those days, 00:16:50.685 --> 00:16:52.775 with 20,000 people a day, 00:16:52.775 --> 00:16:55.352 even those days when you're in there with all those other people, 00:16:55.352 --> 00:16:58.278 look around you and think how amazing it is 00:16:58.278 --> 00:17:01.958 that some painted plaster from 500 years ago 00:17:01.958 --> 00:17:05.090 can still draw all those people standing side by side with you 00:17:05.090 --> 00:17:07.089 looking upwards with their jaws dropped. 00:17:07.089 --> 00:17:09.829 It's a great statement about how beauty 00:17:09.829 --> 00:17:11.918 truly can speak to us all 00:17:11.918 --> 00:17:14.914 through time and through geographic space. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:14.914 --> 00:17:17.584 BG: Liz, grazie. EL: Grazie a te. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:17.584 --> 00:17:20.276 BG: Thank you. (Applause)