1 00:00:00,950 --> 00:00:02,878 Imagine you're in Rome 2 00:00:02,878 --> 00:00:06,105 and you've made your way to the Vatican Museums, 3 00:00:06,105 --> 00:00:09,727 and you've been shuffling down long corridors, 4 00:00:09,727 --> 00:00:14,417 past statues, frescoes, lots and lots of stuff. 5 00:00:14,417 --> 00:00:16,925 You're heading towards the Sistine Chapel. 6 00:00:16,925 --> 00:00:22,149 At last, a long corridor, a stair, and a door. 7 00:00:22,149 --> 00:00:25,354 You're at the threshold of the Sistine Chapel. 8 00:00:25,354 --> 00:00:27,141 So what are you expecting? 9 00:00:27,141 --> 00:00:29,575 Soaring domes? Choirs of angels? 10 00:00:29,575 --> 00:00:31,757 We don't really have any of that there. 11 00:00:31,757 --> 00:00:36,285 Instead, you may ask yourself, what do we have? 12 00:00:36,285 --> 00:00:38,932 Well, curtains up on the Sistine Chapel. 13 00:00:38,932 --> 00:00:41,649 And I mean literally, you're surrounded by painted curtains, 14 00:00:41,649 --> 00:00:44,087 the original decoration of this chapel. 15 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:48,870 Churches used tapestries not just to keep out cold during long masses, 16 00:00:48,870 --> 00:00:52,631 but as a way to represent the great theater of life. 17 00:00:52,631 --> 00:00:57,786 The human drama in which each one of us plays a part is a great story, 18 00:00:57,786 --> 00:01:00,619 a story that encompasses the whole world, 19 00:01:00,619 --> 00:01:03,985 and that came to unfold in the three stages 20 00:01:03,985 --> 00:01:06,284 of the painting in the Sistine Chapel. 21 00:01:06,284 --> 00:01:09,767 Now, this building started out as a space for a small group 22 00:01:09,767 --> 00:01:12,600 of wealthy, educated Christian priests. 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,456 They prayed there. They elected their Pope there. 24 00:01:15,456 --> 00:01:19,774 Five hundred years ago, it was the ultimate ecclesiastical man cave. 25 00:01:19,774 --> 00:01:25,277 So, you may ask, how can it be that today it attracts and delights 26 00:01:25,277 --> 00:01:28,133 five million people a year, 27 00:01:28,133 --> 00:01:30,339 from all different backgrounds? 28 00:01:30,339 --> 00:01:34,843 Because in that compressed space, there was a creative explosion, 29 00:01:34,843 --> 00:01:39,812 ignited by the electric excitement of new geopolitical frontiers 30 00:01:39,812 --> 00:01:44,131 which set on fire the ancient missionary tradition of the Church 31 00:01:44,131 --> 00:01:47,776 and produced one of the greatest works of art in history. 32 00:01:47,776 --> 00:01:52,722 Now, this development took place as a great evolution, 33 00:01:52,722 --> 00:01:55,439 moving from the beginning of a few elite 34 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:58,898 and eventually able to speak to audiences of people 35 00:01:58,898 --> 00:02:01,313 that come from all over the world. 36 00:02:01,313 --> 00:02:04,123 This evolution took place in three stages, 37 00:02:04,123 --> 00:02:07,257 each one linked to a historical circumstance. 38 00:02:07,257 --> 00:02:09,417 The first one was rather limited in scope. 39 00:02:09,417 --> 00:02:12,203 It reflected the rather parochial perspective. 40 00:02:12,203 --> 00:02:16,614 The second one took place after worldviews were dramatically altered 41 00:02:16,614 --> 00:02:19,261 after Columbus's historical voyage. 42 00:02:19,261 --> 00:02:20,190 And the third, 43 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:23,520 when the Age of Discovery was well under way 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,373 and the Church rose to the challenge of going global. 45 00:02:28,373 --> 00:02:32,366 The original decoration of this church reflected a smaller world. 46 00:02:32,366 --> 00:02:34,224 There were busy scenes 47 00:02:34,224 --> 00:02:37,521 that told the stories of the lives of Jesus and Moses, 48 00:02:37,521 --> 00:02:41,747 reflecting the development of the Jewish and Christian people. 49 00:02:41,747 --> 00:02:44,185 The man who commissioned this, Pope Sixtus IV, 50 00:02:44,185 --> 00:02:47,431 assembled a dream team of Florentine art, 51 00:02:47,431 --> 00:02:50,450 including men like Sandro Botticelli, 52 00:02:50,450 --> 00:02:53,979 and the man who would become Michelangelo's future painting teacher, 53 00:02:53,979 --> 00:02:55,535 Ghirlandaio. 54 00:02:55,535 --> 00:03:00,805 These men, they blanked the walls with a frieze of pure color, 55 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:04,288 and in these stories you'll notice familiar landscapes, 56 00:03:04,288 --> 00:03:07,051 the artists using Roman monuments or a Tuscan landscape 57 00:03:07,051 --> 00:03:11,556 to render a faraway story, something much more familiar, 58 00:03:11,556 --> 00:03:15,224 with the addition of images of the Pope's friends and family. 59 00:03:15,224 --> 00:03:18,080 This was a perfect decoration for a smart court 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,240 limited to the European continent, 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,208 but in 1492, the New World was discovered, 62 00:03:25,208 --> 00:03:27,321 horizons were expanding, 63 00:03:27,321 --> 00:03:33,289 and this little 133 x 46 foot microcosm had to expand as well. 64 00:03:33,289 --> 00:03:35,007 And it did, 65 00:03:35,007 --> 00:03:37,050 thanks to a creative genius, 66 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:40,208 a visionary, and an awesome story. 67 00:03:40,208 --> 00:03:42,781 Now, the creative genius was Michelangelo Buonarroti, 68 00:03:42,781 --> 00:03:47,309 33 years old when he was tapped to decorate 12,000 square foot of ceiling, 69 00:03:47,309 --> 00:03:49,027 and the deck was stacked against him. 70 00:03:49,027 --> 00:03:52,161 He had trained in painting, but had left to pursue sculpture. 71 00:03:52,161 --> 00:03:55,621 There were angry patrons in Florence because he had left a stack 72 00:03:55,621 --> 00:03:57,200 of incomplete commissions, 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,822 lured to Rome by the prospect of a great sculptural project, 74 00:04:00,822 --> 00:04:03,492 and that project had fallen through, 75 00:04:03,492 --> 00:04:06,831 and he had been left with a commission to paint 12 apostles 76 00:04:06,831 --> 00:04:09,757 against a decorative background in the Sistine Chapel ceiling 77 00:04:09,757 --> 00:04:13,402 which would look like every other ceiling in Italy. 78 00:04:13,402 --> 00:04:15,678 But genius rose to the challenge. 79 00:04:15,678 --> 00:04:19,114 In an age when a man dared to sail across the Atlantic Ocean, 80 00:04:19,114 --> 00:04:22,899 Michelangelo dared to chart new artistic waters. 81 00:04:22,899 --> 00:04:25,360 He too would tell a story, 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,843 no apostles, but a story of great beginnings, 83 00:04:28,843 --> 00:04:31,304 the story of Genesis. 84 00:04:31,304 --> 00:04:33,928 Not really an easy sell, stories on a ceiling. 85 00:04:33,928 --> 00:04:38,874 How would you be able to read a busy scene from 62 feet below? 86 00:04:38,874 --> 00:04:41,706 The painting technique that had been handed on for 200 years 87 00:04:41,706 --> 00:04:45,514 in Florentine studios was not equipped for this kind of a narrative. 88 00:04:45,514 --> 00:04:48,742 But Michelangelo wasn't really a painter, 89 00:04:48,742 --> 00:04:50,994 and so he played to his strengths. 90 00:04:50,994 --> 00:04:54,500 Instead of being accustomed to filling space with busyness, 91 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,378 he took a hammer and chisel and hacked away at a piece of marble 92 00:04:58,378 --> 00:05:01,025 to reveal the figure within. 93 00:05:01,025 --> 00:05:03,138 Michelangelo was an essentialist. 94 00:05:03,138 --> 00:05:07,712 He would tell his story in massive, dynamic bodies. 95 00:05:07,712 --> 00:05:12,170 This plan was embraced by the larger-than-life Pope Julius II, 96 00:05:12,170 --> 00:05:15,815 a man who was unafraid of Michelangelo's brazen genius. 97 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:19,066 He was nephew to Pope Sixtus IV, and he had been steeped in art 98 00:05:19,066 --> 00:05:21,852 for 30 years, and he knew its power. 99 00:05:21,852 --> 00:05:24,940 And history has handed down the moniker of the Warrior Pope, 100 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:29,050 but this man's legacy to the Vatican, it wasn't fortresses and artillery, 101 00:05:29,050 --> 00:05:30,281 it was art. 102 00:05:30,281 --> 00:05:32,858 He left us the Raphael Rooms, the Sistine Chapel. 103 00:05:32,858 --> 00:05:35,342 He left St. Peter's Basilica as well as 104 00:05:35,342 --> 00:05:39,940 an extraordinary collection of Greco-Roman sculptures, 105 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:44,421 decidedly un-Christian works that would become the seedbed 106 00:05:44,421 --> 00:05:48,531 of the world's first modern museum, the Vatican Museums. 107 00:05:48,531 --> 00:05:50,295 Julius was a man 108 00:05:50,295 --> 00:05:54,103 who envisioned a Vatican that would be eternally relevant 109 00:05:54,103 --> 00:05:56,216 through grandeur and through beauty, 110 00:05:56,216 --> 00:05:57,679 and he was right: 111 00:05:57,679 --> 00:06:02,555 the encounter between these two giants, Michelangelo and Julius II, 112 00:06:02,555 --> 00:06:05,016 that's what gave us the Sistine Chapel. 113 00:06:05,016 --> 00:06:08,453 Michelangelo was so committed to this project 114 00:06:08,453 --> 00:06:13,004 that he succeeded in getting the job done in three and a half years 115 00:06:13,004 --> 00:06:14,582 using a skeleton crew 116 00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:17,322 and spending most of the time, hours on end, 117 00:06:17,322 --> 00:06:21,641 reaching up above his head to paint the stories on the ceiling. 118 00:06:21,641 --> 00:06:23,591 So let's look at this ceiling 119 00:06:23,591 --> 00:06:26,517 and see storytelling gone global. 120 00:06:26,517 --> 00:06:30,789 No more familiar artistic references to the world around you. 121 00:06:30,789 --> 00:06:35,456 There's just space and structure and energy, 122 00:06:35,456 --> 00:06:40,077 and a monumental painted framework which opens onto nine panels, 123 00:06:40,077 --> 00:06:43,908 more driven by sculptural form than painterly color, 124 00:06:43,908 --> 00:06:46,625 and we stand in the far end 125 00:06:46,625 --> 00:06:49,039 by the entrance, far from the altar 126 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:51,965 and from the gated enclosure intended for the clergy, 127 00:06:51,965 --> 00:06:57,236 and we peer into the distance looking for a beginning. 128 00:06:57,236 --> 00:07:01,276 And whether in scientific inquiry or in Biblical tradition, 129 00:07:01,276 --> 00:07:04,619 we think in terms of a primal spark. 130 00:07:04,619 --> 00:07:07,638 Michelangelo gave us an initial energy when he gave us 131 00:07:07,638 --> 00:07:09,542 the separation of light and dark, 132 00:07:09,542 --> 00:07:12,955 a churning figure blurry in the distance 133 00:07:12,955 --> 00:07:15,463 compressed into a tight space. 134 00:07:15,463 --> 00:07:17,668 The next figure looms larger, 135 00:07:17,668 --> 00:07:21,267 and you see a figure hurtling from one side to the next. 136 00:07:21,267 --> 00:07:26,097 He leaves in his wake the sun, the moon, vegetation. 137 00:07:26,097 --> 00:07:30,439 Michelangelo didn't focus on the stuff that was being created, 138 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:32,436 unlike all the other artists. 139 00:07:32,436 --> 00:07:35,849 He focused on the act of Creation. 140 00:07:35,849 --> 00:07:38,357 And then the movement stops, 141 00:07:38,357 --> 00:07:41,630 like a caesura in poetry, and the Creator hovers. 142 00:07:41,630 --> 00:07:42,931 So what's He doing? 143 00:07:42,931 --> 00:07:45,972 Is he creating land? Is He creating sea? 144 00:07:45,972 --> 00:07:50,314 Or is He looking back over His handiwork, the Universe and His treasures, 145 00:07:50,314 --> 00:07:54,447 just like Michelangelo must have looking back over his work in the ceiling 146 00:07:54,447 --> 00:07:58,580 and proclaiming, "It is good." 147 00:07:58,580 --> 00:08:00,786 So now the scene is set, 148 00:08:00,786 --> 00:08:03,990 and you get to the culmination of Creation which is Man. 149 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:08,356 Adam leaps to the eye, a light figure against a dark background, 150 00:08:08,356 --> 00:08:10,236 but looking closer, 151 00:08:10,236 --> 00:08:13,139 that leg is pretty languid on the ground, 152 00:08:13,139 --> 00:08:15,344 the arm is heavy on the knee. 153 00:08:15,344 --> 00:08:19,268 Adam lacks that interior spark 154 00:08:19,268 --> 00:08:21,358 that will impel him to greatness. 155 00:08:21,358 --> 00:08:26,373 That spark is about to be conferred by the Creator in that finger, 156 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:28,974 which is one millimeter from the hand of Adam. 157 00:08:28,974 --> 00:08:32,294 It puts us at the edge of our seats, because we're one moment 158 00:08:32,294 --> 00:08:33,850 from that contact, 159 00:08:33,850 --> 00:08:36,776 through which that man will discover his purpose, 160 00:08:36,776 --> 00:08:39,864 leap up and take his place at the pinnacle of Creation. 161 00:08:39,864 --> 00:08:43,068 And then Michelangelo threw a curveball. 162 00:08:43,068 --> 00:08:45,808 Who is in that other arm? 163 00:08:45,808 --> 00:08:47,572 Eve, first woman. 164 00:08:47,572 --> 00:08:50,010 No, she's not an afterthought. She's part of a plan. 165 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:52,681 She's always been in His mind. 166 00:08:52,681 --> 00:08:55,676 Look at her, so intimate with God that her hand curls 167 00:08:55,676 --> 00:08:57,255 around his arm, 168 00:08:57,255 --> 00:09:00,970 and for me, an American art historian 169 00:09:00,970 --> 00:09:02,920 from the 21st century, 170 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,637 this was the moment that the painting spoke to me, 171 00:09:05,637 --> 00:09:08,771 because I realized that this representation of the human drama 172 00:09:08,771 --> 00:09:13,438 was always about men and women, so much so 173 00:09:13,438 --> 00:09:15,760 that the dead center, the heart of the ceiling 174 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,198 is the creation of Woman, not Adam, 175 00:09:18,198 --> 00:09:22,146 and the fact is, and when you see them together in the Garden of Eden, 176 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:23,887 they fall together, 177 00:09:23,887 --> 00:09:26,766 and together their proud posture 178 00:09:26,766 --> 00:09:28,647 turns into folded shame. 179 00:09:28,647 --> 00:09:31,503 You art a critical juncture now in the ceiling. 180 00:09:31,503 --> 00:09:34,568 You are exactly at the point where you and I can go 181 00:09:34,568 --> 00:09:36,239 no further into the church. 182 00:09:36,239 --> 00:09:39,095 The gated enclosure keeps us out of the inner sanctum, 183 00:09:39,095 --> 00:09:41,905 and we are cast out much like Adam and Eve. 184 00:09:41,905 --> 00:09:43,623 The remaining scenes in the ceiling, 185 00:09:43,623 --> 00:09:46,316 they mirror the crowded chaos of the world around us. 186 00:09:46,316 --> 00:09:48,847 You have Noah and his Ark and the flood. 187 00:09:48,847 --> 00:09:52,353 You have Noah. He's making a sacrifice and a covenant with God. 188 00:09:52,353 --> 00:09:53,839 Maybe he's the Savior? 189 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:57,787 Oh, but no, Noah is the one who grew grapes, invented wine, 190 00:09:57,787 --> 00:09:59,969 got drunk, and passed out naked in his barn. 191 00:09:59,969 --> 00:10:02,941 It is a curious way to design the ceiling, 192 00:10:02,941 --> 00:10:04,706 now starting out with God creating life, 193 00:10:04,706 --> 00:10:07,446 ending up with some guy blind drunk in a barn. 194 00:10:07,446 --> 00:10:09,814 And so, compared with Adam, 195 00:10:09,814 --> 00:10:12,693 you might think Michelangelo is making fun of us. 196 00:10:12,693 --> 00:10:14,829 But he's about to dispel the gloom 197 00:10:14,829 --> 00:10:18,302 by using those bright colors right underneath Noah: 198 00:10:18,302 --> 00:10:21,716 emerald, taupe, and scarlet on the Prophet Zechariah. 199 00:10:21,716 --> 00:10:24,901 Zechariah foresees a light coming from the east, 200 00:10:24,901 --> 00:10:28,431 and we are turned at this juncture to a new destination, 201 00:10:28,431 --> 00:10:32,076 with sibyls and prophets who will lead us on a parade. 202 00:10:32,076 --> 00:10:35,652 You have the heroes and heroines who make safe the way, 203 00:10:35,652 --> 00:10:38,160 and we follow the mothers and fathers. 204 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,269 They are the motors of this great human engine, driving it forward. 205 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:45,799 And now we're at the keystone of the ceiling, 206 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:48,422 the culmination of the whole thing, 207 00:10:48,422 --> 00:10:50,744 with a figure that looks like he's about to fall out of his space 208 00:10:50,744 --> 00:10:52,021 into our space, 209 00:10:52,021 --> 00:10:53,452 encroaching our space. 210 00:10:53,452 --> 00:10:55,797 This is the most important juncture. 211 00:10:55,797 --> 00:10:57,863 Past meets present. 212 00:10:57,863 --> 00:11:00,789 This figure, Jonah, who spent three days in the belly of the whale, 213 00:11:00,789 --> 00:11:03,552 for the Christians is the symbol of the renewal of humanity 214 00:11:03,552 --> 00:11:06,385 through Jesus's sacrifice, but for the multitudes 215 00:11:06,385 --> 00:11:10,657 of visitors to that museum from all faiths who visit there every day, 216 00:11:10,657 --> 00:11:13,722 he is the moment the distant past 217 00:11:13,722 --> 00:11:18,250 encounters and meets immediate reality. 218 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:22,708 All of this brings us to the yawning archway of the altar wall, 219 00:11:22,708 --> 00:11:25,680 where we see Michelangelo's Last Judgment, 220 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:29,385 painted in 1534 after the world had changed again. 221 00:11:29,385 --> 00:11:31,359 The Reformation had splintered the Church. 222 00:11:31,359 --> 00:11:34,494 The Ottoman Empire had made Islam a household word, 223 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:37,619 and Magellan had found a route into the Pacific Ocean. 224 00:11:37,619 --> 00:11:42,379 How is a 59-year old artist who has never been any further than Venice 225 00:11:42,379 --> 00:11:44,747 going to speak to this new world? 226 00:11:44,747 --> 00:11:47,928 Michelangelo chose to paint destiny, 227 00:11:47,928 --> 00:11:49,739 that universal desire, 228 00:11:49,739 --> 00:11:51,481 common to all of us, 229 00:11:51,481 --> 00:11:54,383 to leave a legacy of excellence. 230 00:11:54,383 --> 00:11:58,005 Told in terms of the Christian vision of the Last Judgment, 231 00:11:58,005 --> 00:11:59,421 the end of the world, 232 00:11:59,421 --> 00:12:01,697 Michelangelo gave you a series of figures 233 00:12:01,697 --> 00:12:05,040 who are wearing these strikingly beautiful bodies. 234 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,873 They have no more covers, no more portraits 235 00:12:07,873 --> 00:12:09,266 except for a couple. 236 00:12:09,266 --> 00:12:11,936 It's a composition only out of bodies, 237 00:12:11,936 --> 00:12:15,373 391, no two alike, 238 00:12:15,373 --> 00:12:17,764 unique like each and every one of us. 239 00:12:17,764 --> 00:12:21,572 They start in the lower corner, breaking away from the ground, 240 00:12:21,572 --> 00:12:24,359 struggling and trying to rise. 241 00:12:24,359 --> 00:12:26,820 Those who have risen reach back to help others, 242 00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:28,538 and in one amazing vignette, 243 00:12:28,538 --> 00:12:31,905 you have a black man and a white man pulled up together 244 00:12:31,905 --> 00:12:35,945 in an incredible vision of human unity in this new world. 245 00:12:35,945 --> 00:12:39,544 The lion's share of the space goes to the winner's circle. 246 00:12:39,544 --> 00:12:44,257 There you find men and women completely nude like athletes. 247 00:12:44,257 --> 00:12:46,672 They are the ones who have overcome adversity, 248 00:12:46,672 --> 00:12:50,410 and Michelangelo's vision of people who combat adversity, 249 00:12:50,410 --> 00:12:51,827 overcome obstacles, 250 00:12:51,827 --> 00:12:53,800 they're just like athletes. 251 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,237 So you have men and women flexing and posing 252 00:12:57,237 --> 00:12:59,187 in this extraordinary spotlight. 253 00:12:59,187 --> 00:13:02,252 Presiding over this assembly is Jesus, 254 00:13:02,252 --> 00:13:04,342 first a suffering man on the cross, 255 00:13:04,342 --> 00:13:06,594 now a glorious ruler in Heaven. 256 00:13:06,594 --> 00:13:09,636 And as Michelangelo proved in his painting, 257 00:13:09,636 --> 00:13:11,981 hardship, setbacks, and obstacles, 258 00:13:11,981 --> 00:13:16,276 they don't limit excellence, they forge it. 259 00:13:16,276 --> 00:13:18,784 Now, this does lead us to one odd thing. 260 00:13:18,784 --> 00:13:20,850 This is the Pope's private chapel, 261 00:13:20,850 --> 00:13:23,869 and the best way you can describe that is indeed a stew of nudes. 262 00:13:23,869 --> 00:13:27,863 But Michelangelo was trying to use only the best artistic language, 263 00:13:27,863 --> 00:13:30,231 the most universal artistic language he could think of, 264 00:13:30,231 --> 00:13:32,112 that of the human body. 265 00:13:32,112 --> 00:13:37,893 And so instead of the way of showing virtue such as fortitude or self-mastery, 266 00:13:37,893 --> 00:13:42,212 he borrowed from Julius II's wonderful collection of sculptures 267 00:13:42,212 --> 00:13:46,972 in order to show inner strength as external power. 268 00:13:46,972 --> 00:13:50,757 Now, one contemporary did write 269 00:13:50,757 --> 00:13:54,936 that the chapel was too beautiful to not cause controversy, 270 00:13:54,936 --> 00:13:56,236 and so it did. 271 00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:59,719 Michelangelo soon found that thanks to the printing press, 272 00:13:59,719 --> 00:14:02,900 complaints about the nudity spread all over the place, 273 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:07,219 and soon his masterpiece of human drama was labeled pornography, 274 00:14:07,219 --> 00:14:09,239 at which point he added two more portraits, 275 00:14:09,239 --> 00:14:11,747 one of the man who criticized him, a papal courtier, 276 00:14:11,747 --> 00:14:15,903 and the other one of himself as a dried up husk, no athlete, 277 00:14:15,903 --> 00:14:18,457 in the hands of a long-suffering martyr. 278 00:14:18,457 --> 00:14:22,079 The year he died he saw several of these figures covered over, 279 00:14:22,079 --> 00:14:28,069 a triumph for trivial distractions over his great exhortation to glory. 280 00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:30,206 And so now we stand 281 00:14:30,206 --> 00:14:32,156 in the here and now. 282 00:14:32,156 --> 00:14:34,292 We are caught in that space 283 00:14:34,292 --> 00:14:36,428 between beginnings and endings, 284 00:14:36,428 --> 00:14:40,538 in the great, huge totality of the human experience. 285 00:14:40,538 --> 00:14:44,532 The Sistine Chapel forces us to look around as if it were a mirror. 286 00:14:44,532 --> 00:14:46,134 Who am I in this picture? 287 00:14:46,134 --> 00:14:48,641 Am I one of the crowd? Am I the drunk guy? 288 00:14:48,641 --> 00:14:50,197 Am I the athlete? 289 00:14:50,197 --> 00:14:52,589 And as we leave this haven of uplifting beauty, 290 00:14:52,589 --> 00:14:56,373 we are inspired to ask ourselves life's biggest questions. 291 00:14:56,373 --> 00:15:01,621 Who am I and what role do I play in this great theater of life? 292 00:15:01,621 --> 00:15:03,293 Thank you. 293 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:06,358 (Applause) 294 00:15:06,358 --> 00:15:09,399 Bruno Giussani: Elizabeth Lev, thank you. 295 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:13,091 Elizabeth, you mentioned this whole issue of pornography, 296 00:15:13,091 --> 00:15:17,619 too many nudes and too many daily life scenes and improper things 297 00:15:17,619 --> 00:15:20,126 in the eyes of the time. 298 00:15:20,126 --> 00:15:21,938 But actually the story is bigger. 299 00:15:21,938 --> 00:15:24,793 It's not just touching up and covering up some of the figures. 300 00:15:24,793 --> 00:15:27,766 This work of art was almost destroyed because of that. 301 00:15:27,766 --> 00:15:31,504 Elizabeth Lev: The effect of the Last Judgment was enormous. 302 00:15:31,504 --> 00:15:34,406 The printing press made sure that everybody saw it, 303 00:15:34,406 --> 00:15:36,891 and so this wasn't something that happened within a couple of weeks. 304 00:15:36,891 --> 00:15:42,115 It was something that happened over the space of 20 years 305 00:15:42,115 --> 00:15:44,088 of editorials and complaints, 306 00:15:44,088 --> 00:15:45,249 saying to the Church, 307 00:15:45,249 --> 00:15:47,827 "You can't possibly tell us how to live our lives. 308 00:15:47,827 --> 00:15:51,310 Did you notice you have pornography in the Pope's chapel?" 309 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:53,701 And so after complaints and insistence 310 00:15:53,701 --> 00:15:56,534 of trying to get this work destroyed, 311 00:15:56,534 --> 00:15:58,740 it was finally the year that Michelangelo died 312 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:00,667 that the Church finally found a compromise, 313 00:16:00,667 --> 00:16:02,501 a way to save the painting, 314 00:16:02,501 --> 00:16:05,720 and that was in putting up these extra 30 covers, 315 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,552 and that happens to be the origin of fig-leafing. 316 00:16:08,552 --> 00:16:10,271 That's where it all came about, 317 00:16:10,271 --> 00:16:12,848 and it came about from a church that was trying to save a work of art, 318 00:16:12,848 --> 00:16:16,958 not indeed deface or destroyed it. 319 00:16:16,958 --> 00:16:19,790 BG: This, what you just gave us, is not the classic tour 320 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:22,670 that people get today when they go to the Sistine Chapel. 321 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:24,388 (Laughter) 322 00:16:24,388 --> 00:16:26,733 EL: I don't know, is that an ad? 323 00:16:26,733 --> 00:16:31,400 BG: No, no, no, not necessarily, it is a statement. 324 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,765 It is, the experience of art today is encountering problems. 325 00:16:35,765 --> 00:16:38,268 Too many people want to see this there, 326 00:16:38,268 --> 00:16:40,984 and the result is five million people going through that tiny door 327 00:16:40,984 --> 00:16:43,190 and experiencing it in a completely different way 328 00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:44,862 than we just did in the last 15 minutes. 329 00:16:44,862 --> 00:16:47,903 EL: Right. I agree. I think it's really nice to be able to pause and look, 330 00:16:47,903 --> 00:16:50,685 but also realize, even when you're in those days, 331 00:16:50,685 --> 00:16:52,775 with 20,000 people a day, 332 00:16:52,775 --> 00:16:55,352 even those days when you're in there with all those other people, 333 00:16:55,352 --> 00:16:58,278 look around you and think how amazing it is 334 00:16:58,278 --> 00:17:01,958 that some painted plaster from 500 years ago 335 00:17:01,958 --> 00:17:05,090 can still draw all those people standing side by side with you 336 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:07,089 looking upwards with their jaws dropped. 337 00:17:07,089 --> 00:17:09,829 It's a great statement about how beauty 338 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:11,918 truly can speak to us all 339 00:17:11,918 --> 00:17:14,914 through time and through geographic space. 340 00:17:14,914 --> 00:17:17,584 BG: Liz, grazie. EL: Grazie a te. 341 00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:20,276 BG: Thank you. (Applause)