1 00:00:01,482 --> 00:00:04,512 (Half bell) 2 00:00:09,468 --> 00:00:32,371 (Bell) 3 00:00:32,371 --> 00:00:34,989 Dear Thay, dear sangha. 4 00:00:35,199 --> 00:00:38,734 I was at the Riverside Church in New York 5 00:00:38,734 --> 00:00:42,274 in 2001 when you came to give a talk 6 00:00:42,274 --> 00:00:45,716 shortly after September 11th. This was 7 00:00:45,716 --> 00:00:49,538 the same location where Dr. King came 8 00:00:49,538 --> 00:00:52,417 to give his speech against the Vietnam war 9 00:00:52,417 --> 00:00:55,267 – a position, we remember with gratitude, 10 00:00:55,267 --> 00:00:58,897 that was influenced by his time with you. 11 00:01:00,207 --> 00:01:03,262 You spoke to your own experience of the 12 00:01:03,262 --> 00:01:06,395 tragedy of war, and you were among 13 00:01:06,395 --> 00:01:09,275 the only voices I can remember at the time 14 00:01:09,275 --> 00:01:12,251 who advocated for seizing the moment 15 00:01:12,251 --> 00:01:14,074 to work for peace. 16 00:01:14,374 --> 00:01:17,273 Many of us in these times now 17 00:01:17,483 --> 00:01:20,851 may be feeling fear, anger, despair 18 00:01:21,341 --> 00:01:25,649 when we see so many wars waged in our name. 19 00:01:26,249 --> 00:01:30,085 As you did with Dr King, can you advise us 20 00:01:30,325 --> 00:01:32,684 how we might transform these feelings into 21 00:01:32,684 --> 00:01:36,061 compassion and interactive peace making? 22 00:01:38,225 --> 00:01:41,827 As you know, I was in America when the 23 00:01:41,827 --> 00:01:44,110 September 11th took place. 24 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:50,942 That day I was going from Deer Park 25 00:01:50,942 --> 00:01:55,169 to the north of California to organise 26 00:01:55,169 --> 00:01:58,150 retreats and public talks. 27 00:01:58,990 --> 00:02:05,654 And loading the bus, 28 00:02:05,654 --> 00:02:09,087 we hear about the event. 29 00:02:13,077 --> 00:02:17,199 I was supposed to give a talk in Berkeley 30 00:02:20,468 --> 00:02:22,286 four days later. 31 00:02:24,291 --> 00:02:29,972 And we could experience 32 00:02:29,972 --> 00:02:33,160 the collective energy of fear and anger 33 00:02:35,390 --> 00:02:37,175 in America. 34 00:02:38,843 --> 00:02:41,098 Fear and anger. 35 00:02:46,457 --> 00:02:51,343 We know that the collective energy 36 00:02:51,343 --> 00:02:55,809 of compassion can be very healing, 37 00:02:56,399 --> 00:02:59,459 but the collective energy of fear and anger 38 00:02:59,485 --> 00:03:01,650 can be very dangerous. 39 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,023 It can start a war at any time. 40 00:03:07,878 --> 00:03:11,397 So my purpose in giving the talks 41 00:03:11,397 --> 00:03:12,477 was to ask Americans 42 00:03:12,477 --> 00:03:14,381 to practice mindful breathing 43 00:03:14,381 --> 00:03:16,049 in order to calm down 44 00:03:16,049 --> 00:03:18,367 their feelings, their emotions. 45 00:03:18,367 --> 00:03:20,907 That's the most important thing to do. 46 00:03:22,187 --> 00:03:26,447 That is why in the talk taking place 47 00:03:26,447 --> 00:03:29,146 in Berkeley – 4.000 people attended – 48 00:03:30,115 --> 00:03:31,941 we wore our sangha tee, 49 00:03:33,278 --> 00:03:35,322 the orange colour robe, 50 00:03:36,017 --> 00:03:41,041 and we practiced meditation on compassion 51 00:03:41,384 --> 00:03:43,991 and tried to calm down 52 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:47,006 – to help people calm down. 53 00:03:47,577 --> 00:03:49,959 You can see the suffering on the face 54 00:03:49,989 --> 00:03:53,237 of the people ... that day. 55 00:03:55,516 --> 00:03:59,018 And we knew that after the talk 56 00:03:59,463 --> 00:04:01,300 people suffer less 57 00:04:01,843 --> 00:04:03,940 – by – you just look at their face 58 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:06,819 and you know that people suffer less 59 00:04:06,839 --> 00:04:10,743 after a guided meditation on compassion 60 00:04:10,743 --> 00:04:12,872 and calming down. 61 00:04:14,734 --> 00:04:17,676 But that is only for a few thousand people. 62 00:04:18,827 --> 00:04:21,638 The talk in the Riverside Church had 63 00:04:21,638 --> 00:04:23,255 the same purpose. 64 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:28,151 And we advised our friends in America 65 00:04:28,151 --> 00:04:31,566 not to do anything yet. 66 00:04:32,246 --> 00:04:34,455 Not to say anything yet. 67 00:04:34,455 --> 00:04:37,611 The first thing to do is to calm down. 68 00:04:38,777 --> 00:04:42,400 And then begin to look into the situation 69 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:44,176 and ask the question, 70 00:04:44,176 --> 00:04:48,078 why they have done such a thing to us. 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,543 Have we done anything 72 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:57,249 that made them so angry at us ... 73 00:04:57,642 --> 00:05:03,781 – that made them so despair 74 00:05:03,781 --> 00:05:11,551 that they could commit ... such an act? 75 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,650 I proposed that 76 00:05:18,357 --> 00:05:21,357 – according to the tradition we belong to 77 00:05:21,357 --> 00:05:22,357 – I proposed that 78 00:05:23,388 --> 00:05:27,633 America organise sessions of deep listening. 79 00:05:29,410 --> 00:05:35,606 We should invite many wise Americans 80 00:05:35,606 --> 00:05:38,347 to come and help us to listen. 81 00:05:38,945 --> 00:05:41,306 And we invite the people in America 82 00:05:41,306 --> 00:05:44,312 who feel that they are victims 83 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:53,394 of social injustice and so on 84 00:05:53,394 --> 00:05:56,829 to come and tell us about their suffering. 85 00:05:57,654 --> 00:06:03,974 And we proposed that sessions of 86 00:06:03,974 --> 00:06:06,788 deep listening like that within America 87 00:06:06,799 --> 00:06:09,356 can be televised 88 00:06:09,390 --> 00:06:12,140 – so that everyone can follow. 89 00:06:12,685 --> 00:06:15,443 That is to listen to your own suffering 90 00:06:15,443 --> 00:06:17,636 – to our own suffering. 91 00:06:17,971 --> 00:06:20,651 And understand our own suffering 92 00:06:20,651 --> 00:06:23,631 before we want to listen to the suffering 93 00:06:23,638 --> 00:06:27,064 of the people on the other side. 94 00:06:27,197 --> 00:06:29,634 It's very faithful to our practice. 95 00:06:29,634 --> 00:06:32,007 You listen to your own suffering first 96 00:06:32,007 --> 00:06:35,821 before you listen to the suffering 97 00:06:35,821 --> 00:06:37,571 on the other side. 98 00:06:38,971 --> 00:06:43,130 And after you have done deep listening 99 00:06:43,130 --> 00:06:45,515 in your own country, 100 00:06:45,515 --> 00:06:49,459 you may turn to the people over there 101 00:06:49,608 --> 00:06:52,391 and use loving speech. 102 00:06:52,391 --> 00:06:54,199 "Dear friends over there, 103 00:06:54,731 --> 00:06:56,551 we have suffered a lot. 104 00:06:56,871 --> 00:06:58,394 We don't understand 105 00:06:59,501 --> 00:07:02,708 why you have done such a thing to us. 106 00:07:04,851 --> 00:07:09,661 Have we done anything in order to try 107 00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:12,972 to destroy you as a people? 108 00:07:13,528 --> 00:07:16,477 as a religion? as a way of life? 109 00:07:17,431 --> 00:07:19,706 We may have done something; 110 00:07:19,706 --> 00:07:21,186 or we may have said something 111 00:07:21,186 --> 00:07:23,021 that gave you the impression 112 00:07:23,021 --> 00:07:24,909 that we want to destroy 113 00:07:24,909 --> 00:07:27,884 you as a people, as a religion, 114 00:07:27,884 --> 00:07:29,955 as a way of life. 115 00:07:29,955 --> 00:07:33,708 But in fact, we do not have that intention. 116 00:07:33,708 --> 00:07:36,444 So please tell us what we have done, 117 00:07:36,444 --> 00:07:40,130 what we have said, that has given you 118 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:42,952 that kind of impression. 119 00:07:42,952 --> 00:07:45,289 We know that you must have been 120 00:07:45,289 --> 00:07:46,707 very angry at us 121 00:07:46,707 --> 00:07:48,664 to have done such a thing to us. 122 00:07:48,664 --> 00:07:50,871 We would like to listen. 123 00:07:50,871 --> 00:07:53,705 Please tell us ... from your heart. 124 00:07:53,705 --> 00:07:56,001 Tell us about your suffering ... 125 00:07:56,001 --> 00:08:00,611 and our lack of skilfulness 126 00:08:00,611 --> 00:08:04,411 – in making you suffer." 127 00:08:04,411 --> 00:08:07,976 And that is what I proposed to America 128 00:08:07,976 --> 00:08:09,346 at that time. 129 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,183 And this is a process of 130 00:08:16,789 --> 00:08:20,641 restoring communication and reconciling. 131 00:08:21,482 --> 00:08:28,820 And last spring – the spring of this year, 132 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:35,258 I went to Korea and I gave retreats 133 00:08:35,258 --> 00:08:38,301 – we gave retreats and public talks. 134 00:08:38,301 --> 00:08:40,637 And there was one public talk 135 00:08:40,637 --> 00:08:44,467 in the south 136 00:08:44,467 --> 00:08:47,251 attended by many people 137 00:08:47,251 --> 00:08:49,667 – maybe 20.000 people, 138 00:08:51,249 --> 00:08:52,616 and they announced to us 139 00:08:52,646 --> 00:08:57,376 that they were going to organise 140 00:08:57,376 --> 00:09:00,725 a huge ceremony of prayer 141 00:09:00,725 --> 00:09:02,254 for peace 142 00:09:02,254 --> 00:09:05,091 between the south and the north. 143 00:09:05,444 --> 00:09:09,199 The north now has nuclear weapons 144 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,510 and they sound to be belligerent. 145 00:09:16,458 --> 00:09:19,399 And the south is fearful, 146 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:22,151 and they are afraid that a war will 147 00:09:22,151 --> 00:09:23,825 break out very soon. 148 00:09:24,686 --> 00:09:27,859 So in that talk I said that: "Dear friends. 149 00:09:29,096 --> 00:09:31,934 The danger is not the nuclear weapons. 150 00:09:32,207 --> 00:09:34,361 The danger is the fear. 151 00:09:34,785 --> 00:09:38,240 If you look deeply into the north, you see 152 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,536 the amount, the huge amount of fear. 153 00:09:41,816 --> 00:09:44,222 When the president of the south 154 00:09:44,222 --> 00:09:48,711 visited America, the north may think 155 00:09:48,711 --> 00:09:51,043 that there should be a scheme 156 00:09:51,381 --> 00:09:53,372 to attack the north, 157 00:09:53,372 --> 00:09:55,088 so they are very scared. 158 00:09:55,222 --> 00:09:57,136 And they are doing their best 159 00:09:57,136 --> 00:09:59,999 in order to show that they are not afraid, 160 00:09:59,999 --> 00:10:02,428 that they are ready to fight and to kill. 161 00:10:02,638 --> 00:10:06,438 So, the belligerent attitude outside, 162 00:10:06,493 --> 00:10:09,051 in appearance, shows that there is 163 00:10:09,051 --> 00:10:10,494 a big fear inside. 164 00:10:11,264 --> 00:10:16,745 And if you see that fear, you are not... 165 00:10:16,745 --> 00:10:18,821 – you are not angry them anymore. 166 00:10:18,821 --> 00:10:21,245 And you know that the best thing 167 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:24,409 is to try to help removing that fear 168 00:10:24,409 --> 00:10:26,609 of the people in the north. 169 00:10:27,158 --> 00:10:28,783 But in order to do that, 170 00:10:28,783 --> 00:10:31,625 you have to remove the fear in you first. 171 00:10:32,969 --> 00:10:35,096 Because you are also afraid. 172 00:10:35,734 --> 00:10:38,363 And that is why a prayer for peace is not enough. 173 00:10:39,504 --> 00:10:42,102 Coming together and praying is not enough. 174 00:10:42,102 --> 00:10:43,477 You have to create – 175 00:10:43,477 --> 00:10:45,350 you have to organise retreats 176 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:50,161 for politicians, school teachers, 177 00:10:53,132 --> 00:10:54,425 business leaders, 178 00:10:55,245 --> 00:10:57,872 and help them to look deeply, 179 00:10:58,105 --> 00:11:00,884 to calm them down – themselves down, 180 00:11:01,244 --> 00:11:04,633 and to remove their fear by understanding. 181 00:11:04,888 --> 00:11:07,023 And when you are free from fear, 182 00:11:07,023 --> 00:11:09,846 you can help the north to do the same. 183 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:15,757 So, it's not by political manoeuvring 184 00:11:15,757 --> 00:11:19,846 that you can solve the problem. 185 00:11:19,846 --> 00:11:22,028 It is that kind of practice 186 00:11:22,953 --> 00:11:26,537 that can remove fear and anger in us 187 00:11:27,219 --> 00:11:30,928 that can make us more peaceful 188 00:11:32,048 --> 00:11:33,700 and compassionate. 189 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:35,603 And when you are more peaceful 190 00:11:35,603 --> 00:11:36,724 and compassionate, 191 00:11:36,724 --> 00:11:37,924 you can help the people 192 00:11:37,924 --> 00:11:39,021 on the other side 193 00:11:39,021 --> 00:11:40,051 to do the same 194 00:11:40,051 --> 00:11:42,128 – to be a real peace maker. 195 00:11:42,365 --> 00:11:44,732 And that is a process we have learned 196 00:11:44,732 --> 00:11:46,771 from the buddhist tradition. 197 00:11:46,771 --> 00:11:51,426 And as north Korea and south Korea, 198 00:11:51,426 --> 00:11:53,076 they have had buddhism 199 00:11:53,076 --> 00:11:55,052 as their spiritual tradition, 200 00:11:55,052 --> 00:11:56,608 we believe that they can 201 00:11:56,608 --> 00:11:58,527 make good use of their tradition 202 00:11:58,527 --> 00:11:59,983 in order to practice 203 00:11:59,983 --> 00:12:01,483 in order to get out of 204 00:12:01,483 --> 00:12:03,594 this difficult situation. 205 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:05,847 And I think that the same things 206 00:12:05,847 --> 00:12:11,297 should be true here – in the Middle East, 207 00:12:11,487 --> 00:12:14,029 in Europe, in America and so on. 208 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,888 (Half bell) 209 00:12:21,388 --> 00:12:52,181 (Bell)